Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
I appreciate your response Phil, I guess my surprise is that a feature that's been with us this long should be declared out - I assume long thought was given to doing that, deciding that 2.o's other improvements outweighed waiting until form manger could be rewritten/fixed. It never occurred to me that a version of my favorite browser would suddenly omit a feature, going back instead of forward. I know that SM like all mozillas relies on volunteers, and bless them all for work that we all appreciate so much, and yes there is a but coming- I used all of SM- browser, mail,composer and sometimes chat. I doubt anyone here really knows the customer base for the various components, or how many now seeing form manger gone will just vote with feet and use some other browser. But thanks for the thought - I'll watch to see if someone kind soul rides to the rescue- and never again will I update a browser without reading ALL the update notices . On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:57:38 +0800, Philip Chee philip.c...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:05:54 -0600, me2 wrote: This thread seems to be winding down but I wanted to make one last plea for the restoration of form manager, if SM's only claim to fame is to slowly being reduced to were firefox and thunderbird combined, what's the point? Those of us who have been Netscape users forever use these little unimportant parts. I hope someone can rectify this situation, but if not let me express my appreciation for all who over the years gave me a browser I loved... I'm sure I will miss it. Nobody in mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey is against a restored Form Manager. But just as I stepped forward and volunteered to implement customizable toolbars (I'm a ERP/Business ReEngineering consultant), or Misak stepped forward and volunteered to implement session restore (at that time he was just a tech working on Cisco routers, or KaiRo stepping forward to reimplement the XPFE style download manager window (despite at that time being solely a web designer and didn't have much experience actually working on SeaMonkey code). So we need someone to step forward and volunteer to reimplement a Forms History Manager. Phil ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
FYI - the removal of the form manager is a result of the migration from the original wallet code to the newer satchel code. The form manager was actually part of the password manager so if the 1.x form manager could be ported to 2.0 then theoretically the original password manager could be restored as well. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
This thread seems to be winding down but I wanted to make one last plea for the restoration of form manager, if SM's only claim to fame is to slowly being reduced to were firefox and thunderbird combined, what's the point? Those of us who have been Netscape users forever use these little unimportant parts. I hope someone can rectify this situation, but if not let me express my appreciation for all who over the years gave me a browser I loved... I'm sure I will miss it. On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:42:55 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: me2 wrote: BTW, who decided the old form manger wasn't needed/used/wanted? The Firefox developers. To be fair, they made that decision for Firefox only. When SeaMonkey made the switch to the common back-end (Toolkit) this is what we got. The old form manager would have had to be reimplemented in the new environment but obviously that didn't happen. Even if someone stepped up to do the work now I don't know whether the old form manager behavior would be accepted for inclusion in newer SeaMonkey versions. Unless someone tries I guess it won't ever happen. But of course there's always the possibility that someone develops an extension that implements something similar. Greetings, Jens Odds are the developer in charge of it at FireFox said to him self , people don't use this anyway do we even need it. You could acquire the code for the Forms history extension and included it already built in as you do ChatZilla, JavaScript Debugger, and DOM inspector. If you don't want to be bothered with actually developing one. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
me2 wrote: This thread seems to be winding down but I wanted to make one last plea for the restoration of form manager, if SM's only claim to fame is to slowly being reduced to were firefox and thunderbird combined, what's the point? Those of us who have been Netscape users forever use these little unimportant parts. I hope someone can rectify this situation, but if not let me express my appreciation for all who over the years gave me a browser I loved... I'm sure I will miss it. On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:42:55 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: me2 wrote: BTW, who decided the old form manger wasn't needed/used/wanted? The Firefox developers. To be fair, they made that decision for Firefox only. When SeaMonkey made the switch to the common back-end (Toolkit) this is what we got. The old form manager would have had to be reimplemented in the new environment but obviously that didn't happen. Even if someone stepped up to do the work now I don't know whether the old form manager behavior would be accepted for inclusion in newer SeaMonkey versions. Unless someone tries I guess it won't ever happen. But of course there's always the possibility that someone develops an extension that implements something similar. Greetings, Jens Odds are the developer in charge of it at FireFox said to him self , people don't use this anyway do we even need it. You could acquire the code for the Forms history extension and included it already built in as you do ChatZilla, JavaScript Debugger, and DOM inspector. If you don't want to be bothered with actually developing one. I'm with you; even though I have gone to use Firefox / Thunderbird, I'd like to see the Old Form Manager be available in Firefox. MikeyG ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Jens Hatlak wrote: me2 wrote: BTW, who decided the old form manger wasn't needed/used/wanted? The Firefox developers. To be fair, they made that decision for Firefox only. When SeaMonkey made the switch to the common back-end (Toolkit) this is what we got. The old form manager would have had to be reimplemented in the new environment but obviously that didn't happen. Even if someone stepped up to do the work now I don't know whether the old form manager behavior would be accepted for inclusion in newer SeaMonkey versions. Unless someone tries I guess it won't ever happen. But of course there's always the possibility that someone develops an extension that implements something similar. Greetings, Jens Odds are the developer in charge of it at FireFox said to him self , people don't use this anyway do we even need it. You could acquire the code for the Forms history extension and included it already built in as you do ChatZilla, JavaScript Debugger, and DOM inspector. If you don't want to be bothered with actually developing one. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: JAS wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: me2 schrieb: I downloaded and installed the extension, its better than nothing, but I suspect I am not in a minority in missing the original from manger. having to add something like Roboform seems to defeat the original concept- Is there any hope at all of restoring form manager? I will uninstall 2.O and go back to 1.18 for now. Robert Kaiser said no, not until someone volunteers to work on it! Funny that there are volunteers to take out working and useful features, but none to tweak them if they break. I suspect that anyone who needs to handle a number of value sets for the same form will continue to use 1.1.18. At least until Chrome gets the new form manager. I for one am glad it is not in SM2 as I never did use it. A program can not please everyone. Perhaps you can volunteer or donate for someone to put forth an effort to fix what you seem to find the Form Management so vital that you can not use SM2 without it. I think you miss the point, it was in, it worked, someone took the time to remove it. No amount of volunteer will put it back in, because someone wanted it out. I used Forms manager at least once a week. What was good about it , was you could pre fill in information so that when a page form asked for it showed up. Obviously the people that take out stuff , don't use it and taking it out, not realizing many people almost depend upon it. But because they don't use it they find it necessary. That what happens when the developers, don't pay attention users or customers. I could not have said it better! :-) -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
John Doue schrieb: Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: JAS wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Funny that there are volunteers to take out working and useful features, but none to tweak them if they break. I suspect that anyone who needs to handle a number of value sets for the same form will continue to use 1.1.18. At least until Chrome gets the new form manager. I for one am glad it is not in SM2 as I never did use it. A program can not please everyone. Perhaps you can volunteer or donate for someone to put forth an effort to fix what you seem to find the Form Management so vital that you can not use SM2 without it. I think you miss the point, it was in, it worked, someone took the time to remove it. No amount of volunteer will put it back in, because someone wanted it out. I used Forms manager at least once a week. What was good about it , was you could pre fill in information so that when a page form asked for it showed up. Obviously the people that take out stuff , don't use it and taking it out, not realizing many people almost depend upon it. But because they don't use it they find it necessary. That what happens when the developers, don't pay attention users or customers. I could not have said it better! :-) You're missing the point on this whole issue I think. Seamonkey2.0 moved to the new toolkit backend. The old Form-Manager could _not_ be kept that way, it needs a rewrite. As noone was there to maintain that code and noone implemented a new solution there is none (or at least not the way it used to be). regards Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Martin Freitag wrote: John Doue schrieb: Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: JAS wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Funny that there are volunteers to take out working and useful features, but none to tweak them if they break. I suspect that anyone who needs to handle a number of value sets for the same form will continue to use 1.1.18. At least until Chrome gets the new form manager. I for one am glad it is not in SM2 as I never did use it. A program can not please everyone. Perhaps you can volunteer or donate for someone to put forth an effort to fix what you seem to find the Form Management so vital that you can not use SM2 without it. I think you miss the point, it was in, it worked, someone took the time to remove it. No amount of volunteer will put it back in, because someone wanted it out. I used Forms manager at least once a week. What was good about it , was you could pre fill in information so that when a page form asked for it showed up. Obviously the people that take out stuff , don't use it and taking it out, not realizing many people almost depend upon it. But because they don't use it they find it necessary. That what happens when the developers, don't pay attention users or customers. I could not have said it better! :-) You're missing the point on this whole issue I think. Seamonkey2.0 moved to the new toolkit backend. The old Form-Manager could _not_ be kept that way, it needs a rewrite. As noone was there to maintain that code and noone implemented a new solution there is none (or at least not the way it used to be). regards Martin No we're not missing the point. You could have wrote a new one. But you didn't have time . The Forms history extension is sort of acceptable replacement. But it should not have been necessary add an extension to do what people have come to expect all along. Don't try to port old code. Open up SM 1.1.8 document what it actually does, and write new code to provide the same service. It will be two years or more before 2.1 will be on the scene if you go in .01 increments. You have enough time to add it back. I wish you developers would open the old program document every feature that exist. and provide those features using new code not try to port the old code. design it with new windows , whatever, but put the same general purpose back in. If you can't design it get in touch with the design of Forms history tool and buy the code and add it in. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
me2 wrote: BTW, who decided the old form manger wasn't needed/used/wanted? The Firefox developers. To be fair, they made that decision for Firefox only. When SeaMonkey made the switch to the common back-end (Toolkit) this is what we got. The old form manager would have had to be reimplemented in the new environment but obviously that didn't happen. Even if someone stepped up to do the work now I don't know whether the old form manager behavior would be accepted for inclusion in newer SeaMonkey versions. Unless someone tries I guess it won't ever happen. But of course there's always the possibility that someone develops an extension that implements something similar. Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Martin Freitag wrote: me2 schrieb: I downloaded and installed the extension, its better than nothing, but I suspect I am not in a minority in missing the original from manger. having to add something like Roboform seems to defeat the original concept- Is there any hope at all of restoring form manager? I will uninstall 2.O and go back to 1.18 for now. Robert Kaiser said no, not until someone volunteers to work on it! Funny that there are volunteers to take out working and useful features, but none to tweak them if they break. I suspect that anyone who needs to handle a number of value sets for the same form will continue to use 1.1.18. At least until Chrome gets the new form manager. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Bill Davidsen wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: me2 schrieb: I downloaded and installed the extension, its better than nothing, but I suspect I am not in a minority in missing the original from manger. having to add something like Roboform seems to defeat the original concept- Is there any hope at all of restoring form manager? I will uninstall 2.O and go back to 1.18 for now. Robert Kaiser said no, not until someone volunteers to work on it! Funny that there are volunteers to take out working and useful features, but none to tweak them if they break. I suspect that anyone who needs to handle a number of value sets for the same form will continue to use 1.1.18. At least until Chrome gets the new form manager. I for one am glad it is not in SM2 as I never did use it. A program can not please everyone. Perhaps you can volunteer or donate for someone to put forth an effort to fix what you seem to find the Form Management so vital that you can not use SM2 without it. JAS -- You either teach people to treat you with dignity and respect, or you don't. This means you are partly responsible for the mistreatment that you get at the hands of someone else. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
So for the newt form whateverthehellitiscalled hasn't reacted/show up when presented with a form in the browser- is there a spell to invoke? I've never tried to go backwards after a SM update- is there going to be a problem with going back to 1.1.8 from 2.0? Is there a version of mozilla that retains the form manger? This is really a disappointment, I've used Netscape/seamonkey forever but form manger is a required application here. On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:48:56 -0600, MikeyG contactbyp...@hatespam.net wrote: me2 wrote: I downloaded and installed the extension, its better than nothing, but I suspect I am not in a minority in missing the original from manger. having to add something like Roboform seems to defeat the original concept- Is there any hope at all of restoring form manager? I will uninstall 2.O and go back to 1.18 for now. me2 wrote: let us hope - I didn't use firefox for this very reason. On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:12:25 -0400, Louu...@domain.invalid wrote: Dennis Gleeson wrote: A new form manager replaces all previous web form management, and automatically keeps a record of what you type into forms and presents you these options in a drop-down list when you come back. I haven't downloaded the new version yet but have a question based on some previous reading on here. Is there any way in 2.0 to fill a complete form with 1 or 2 clicks(like with the current form manager) or are you forced to make a choice from drop downd in EACH form field? I miss the old form manager too. Maybe we'll get in in 2.1. Get the Forms History extension I have given up on SeaMonkey and begun to use FireFox and ThunderBird. I didn't want to stop using SeaMonkey, but the Form Manager was my main reason to keep using it; I really, can live with out Composer. Now, that SeaMonkey is so much near FireFox, and there is so much more awareness of FireFox and ThunderBird, I decided to go this way. Best wishes to all SEaMonkey users. MikeyG ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Download and install the Forms History Manager extension me2 wrote: So for the newt form whateverthehellitiscalled hasn't reacted/show up when presented with a form in the browser- is there a spell to invoke? I've never tried to go backwards after a SM update- is there going to be a problem with going back to 1.1.8 from 2.0? Is there a version of mozilla that retains the form manger? This is really a disappointment, I've used Netscape/seamonkey forever but form manger is a required application here. On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:48:56 -0600, MikeyG contactbyp...@hatespam.net wrote: me2 wrote: I downloaded and installed the extension, its better than nothing, but I suspect I am not in a minority in missing the original from manger. having to add something like Roboform seems to defeat the original concept- Is there any hope at all of restoring form manager? I will uninstall 2.O and go back to 1.18 for now. me2 wrote: let us hope - I didn't use firefox for this very reason. On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:12:25 -0400, Louu...@domain.invalid wrote: Dennis Gleeson wrote: A new form manager replaces all previous web form management, and automatically keeps a record of what you type into forms and presents you these options in a drop-down list when you come back. I haven't downloaded the new version yet but have a question based on some previous reading on here. Is there any way in 2.0 to fill a complete form with 1 or 2 clicks(like with the current form manager) or are you forced to make a choice from drop downd in EACH form field? I miss the old form manager too. Maybe we'll get in in 2.1. Get the Forms History extension I have given up on SeaMonkey and begun to use FireFox and ThunderBird. I didn't want to stop using SeaMonkey, but the Form Manager was my main reason to keep using it; I really, can live with out Composer. Now, that SeaMonkey is so much near FireFox, and there is so much more awareness of FireFox and ThunderBird, I decided to go this way. Best wishes to all SEaMonkey users. MikeyG -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:49:14 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: Download and install the Forms History Manager extension I did - when a form is in my browser nothing happens- enable form and search history is selected in history, a right click reveals form history and there are items listed BUT so far when I'm presented a form and/or start typing in a form, nothing happens. Am I doing it wrong? me2 wrote: So for the new form whateverthehellitiscalled hasn't reacted/show up when presented with a form in the browser- is there a spell to invoke? I've never tried to go backwards after a SM update- is there going to be a problem with going back to 1.1.8 from 2.0? Is there a version of mozilla that retains the form manger? This is really a disappointment, I've used Netscape/seamonkey forever but form manger is a required application here. clipped ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
JAS wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: me2 schrieb: I downloaded and installed the extension, its better than nothing, but I suspect I am not in a minority in missing the original from manger. having to add something like Roboform seems to defeat the original concept- Is there any hope at all of restoring form manager? I will uninstall 2.O and go back to 1.18 for now. Robert Kaiser said no, not until someone volunteers to work on it! Funny that there are volunteers to take out working and useful features, but none to tweak them if they break. I suspect that anyone who needs to handle a number of value sets for the same form will continue to use 1.1.18. At least until Chrome gets the new form manager. I for one am glad it is not in SM2 as I never did use it. A program can not please everyone. Perhaps you can volunteer or donate for someone to put forth an effort to fix what you seem to find the Form Management so vital that you can not use SM2 without it. I think you miss the point, it was in, it worked, someone took the time to remove it. No amount of volunteer will put it back in, because someone wanted it out. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Phillip Jones wrote: me2 wrote: On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:49:14 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: Download and install the Forms History Manager extension I did - when a form is in my browser nothing happens- enable form and search history is selected in history, a right click reveals form history and there are items listed BUT so far when I'm presented a form and/or start typing in a form, nothing happens. Am I doing it wrong? me2 wrote: So for the new form whateverthehellitiscalled hasn't reacted/show up when presented with a form in the browser- is there a spell to invoke? I've never tried to go backwards after a SM update- is there going to be a problem with going back to 1.1.8 from 2.0? Is there a version of mozilla that retains the form manger? This is really a disappointment, I've used Netscape/seamonkey forever but form manger is a required application here. clipped when you open forms history Manager highlight the row in which the item you want to change then double click a window pops up with the info. you can edit from there. Where IS the forms history manager? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
I see that but I'm NOT seeing any form filling, i.e., no offers to fill any forms so far - is this function on automatically or do I need to do something to invoke it? BTW, who decided the old form manger wasn't needed/used/wanted? sigh... On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:40:51 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: me2 wrote: On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:49:14 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: Download and install the Forms History Manager extension I did - when a form is in my browser nothing happens- enable form and search history is selected in history, a right click reveals form history and there are items listed BUT so far when I'm presented a form and/or start typing in a form, nothing happens. Am I doing it wrong? me2 wrote: So for the new form whateverthehellitiscalled hasn't reacted/show up when presented with a form in the browser- is there a spell to invoke? I've never tried to go backwards after a SM update- is there going to be a problem with going back to 1.1.8 from 2.0? Is there a version of mozilla that retains the form manger? This is really a disappointment, I've used Netscape/seamonkey forever but form manger is a required application here. clipped when you open forms history Manager highlight the row in which the item you want to change then double click a window pops up with the info. you can edit from there. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
me2 wrote: I see that but I'm NOT seeing any form filling, i.e., no offers to fill any forms so far - is this function on automatically or do I need to do something to invoke it? BTW, who decided the old form manger wasn't needed/used/wanted? sigh... On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:40:51 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: me2 wrote: On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:49:14 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: Download and install the Forms History Manager extension I did - when a form is in my browser nothing happens- enable form and search history is selected in history, a right click reveals form history and there are items listed BUT so far when I'm presented a form and/or start typing in a form, nothing happens. Am I doing it wrong? me2 wrote: So for the new form whateverthehellitiscalled hasn't reacted/show up when presented with a form in the browser- is there a spell to invoke? I've never tried to go backwards after a SM update- is there going to be a problem with going back to 1.1.8 from 2.0? Is there a version of mozilla that retains the form manger? This is really a disappointment, I've used Netscape/seamonkey forever but form manger is a required application here. clipped when you open forms history Manager highlight the row in which the item you want to change then double click a window pops up with the info. you can edit from there. I dunno who decided to kick the old manager to the curb, but it IS a major downgrade from how it worked before. Even when I had a *new* form to fill out under 1.18, it made some reasonable guesses and offered up all the matches it thought were appropriate, and I just unchecked the lines that were not needed in the new form or changed via dropdown the data for a specific line. Having to click on each line in a large form REALLY REALLY sucks in SM2. -- Pat Welch, UBB Computer Services, a WCS Affiliate SCO Authorized Partner Microlite BackupEdge Certified Reseller Unix/Linux/Windows/Hardware Sales/Support (209) 745-1401 Cell: (209) 251-9120 E-mail: pat...@inreach.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Pat Welch wrote: me2 wrote: I see that but I'm NOT seeing any form filling, i.e., no offers to fill any forms so far - is this function on automatically or do I need to do something to invoke it? BTW, who decided the old form manger wasn't needed/used/wanted? sigh... On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:40:51 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: me2 wrote: On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:49:14 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: Download and install the Forms History Manager extension I did - when a form is in my browser nothing happens- enable form and search history is selected in history, a right click reveals form history and there are items listed BUT so far when I'm presented a form and/or start typing in a form, nothing happens. Am I doing it wrong? me2 wrote: So for the new form whateverthehellitiscalled hasn't reacted/show up when presented with a form in the browser- is there a spell to invoke? I've never tried to go backwards after a SM update- is there going to be a problem with going back to 1.1.8 from 2.0? Is there a version of mozilla that retains the form manger? This is really a disappointment, I've used Netscape/seamonkey forever but form manger is a required application here. clipped when you open forms history Manager highlight the row in which the item you want to change then double click a window pops up with the info. you can edit from there. I dunno who decided to kick the old manager to the curb, but it IS a major downgrade from how it worked before. Even when I had a *new* form to fill out under 1.18, it made some reasonable guesses and offered up all the matches it thought were appropriate, and I just unchecked the lines that were not needed in the new form or changed via dropdown the data for a specific line. Having to click on each line in a large form REALLY REALLY sucks in SM2. I'm definitely sticking to 1.18 also. The missing Forms Manager was the first thing I noticed about 2.0. It's a major error not having it in 2.0 also. Hopefully with all of us complaining, they'll see it should never have been left out. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Bill Davidsen wrote: JAS wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: me2 schrieb: I downloaded and installed the extension, its better than nothing, but I suspect I am not in a minority in missing the original from manger. having to add something like Roboform seems to defeat the original concept- Is there any hope at all of restoring form manager? I will uninstall 2.O and go back to 1.18 for now. Robert Kaiser said no, not until someone volunteers to work on it! Funny that there are volunteers to take out working and useful features, but none to tweak them if they break. I suspect that anyone who needs to handle a number of value sets for the same form will continue to use 1.1.18. At least until Chrome gets the new form manager. I for one am glad it is not in SM2 as I never did use it. A program can not please everyone. Perhaps you can volunteer or donate for someone to put forth an effort to fix what you seem to find the Form Management so vital that you can not use SM2 without it. I think you miss the point, it was in, it worked, someone took the time to remove it. No amount of volunteer will put it back in, because someone wanted it out. I used Forms manager at least once a week. What was good about it , was you could pre fill in information so that when a page form asked for it showed up. Obviously the people that take out stuff , don't use it and taking it out, not realizing many people almost depend upon it. But because they don't use it they find it necessary. That what happens when the developers, don't pay attention users or customers. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
George Carden wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: me2 wrote: On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:49:14 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: Download and install the Forms History Manager extension I did - when a form is in my browser nothing happens- enable form and search history is selected in history, a right click reveals form history and there are items listed BUT so far when I'm presented a form and/or start typing in a form, nothing happens. Am I doing it wrong? me2 wrote: So for the new form whateverthehellitiscalled hasn't reacted/show up when presented with a form in the browser- is there a spell to invoke? I've never tried to go backwards after a SM update- is there going to be a problem with going back to 1.1.8 from 2.0? Is there a version of mozilla that retains the form manger? This is really a disappointment, I've used Netscape/seamonkey forever but form manger is a required application here. clipped when you open forms history Manager highlight the row in which the item you want to change then double click a window pops up with the info. you can edit from there. Where IS the forms history manager? its an extension you add to SeaMonkey Go to addons Manager and go to look for extension Type in Forms History Manager. or Google for it then. add it. after restart will show up in tools menu. Its not quite as good as the built in Forms manager we use to have but its a close second. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
The way forms works now is you type something in say first Name That item is then saved to the internal forms Manager to be reused. and next time you need to fill in first name you type first letter and a list of choices show up. you choose what you need. Only thing is if you type a Mistake you can't despite people saying click and then scroll to bad item and hit delete. Well it doesn't work. with the Forms Manager History extension a window come up with a data base of all the pages you have added items. go to that choose the bad item highlight double click and a window pops up which you can then use to edit your entry. No it doesn't auto fill in as it use to in 1.1.8. . It works, but takes more time, less efficient. I suspect a lot of stuff was left out because the developers ran out of time to put out the door. So now we are suffering for the hurried-ness. me2 wrote: I see that but I'm NOT seeing any form filling, i.e., no offers to fill any forms so far - is this function on automatically or do I need to do something to invoke it? BTW, who decided the old form manger wasn't needed/used/wanted? sigh... On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:40:51 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: me2 wrote: On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:49:14 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: Download and install the Forms History Manager extension I did - when a form is in my browser nothing happens- enable form and search history is selected in history, a right click reveals form history and there are items listed BUT so far when I'm presented a form and/or start typing in a form, nothing happens. Am I doing it wrong? me2 wrote: So for the new form whateverthehellitiscalled hasn't reacted/show up when presented with a form in the browser- is there a spell to invoke? I've never tried to go backwards after a SM update- is there going to be a problem with going back to 1.1.8 from 2.0? Is there a version of mozilla that retains the form manger? This is really a disappointment, I've used Netscape/seamonkey forever but form manger is a required application here. clipped when you open forms history Manager highlight the row in which the item you want to change then double click a window pops up with the info. you can edit from there. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
me2 wrote: let us hope - I didn't use firefox for this very reason. On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:12:25 -0400, Louu...@domain.invalid wrote: Dennis Gleeson wrote: A new form manager replaces all previous web form management, and automatically keeps a record of what you type into forms and presents you these options in a drop-down list when you come back. I haven't downloaded the new version yet but have a question based on some previous reading on here. Is there any way in 2.0 to fill a complete form with 1 or 2 clicks(like with the current form manager) or are you forced to make a choice from drop downd in EACH form field? I miss the old form manager too. Maybe we'll get in in 2.1. Get the Forms History extension -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
I downloaded and installed the extension, its better than nothing, but I suspect I am not in a minority in missing the original from manger. having to add something like Roboform seems to defeat the original concept- Is there any hope at all of restoring form manager? I will uninstall 2.O and go back to 1.18 for now. me2 wrote: let us hope - I didn't use firefox for this very reason. On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:12:25 -0400, Louu...@domain.invalid wrote: Dennis Gleeson wrote: A new form manager replaces all previous web form management, and automatically keeps a record of what you type into forms and presents you these options in a drop-down list when you come back. I haven't downloaded the new version yet but have a question based on some previous reading on here. Is there any way in 2.0 to fill a complete form with 1 or 2 clicks(like with the current form manager) or are you forced to make a choice from drop downd in EACH form field? I miss the old form manager too. Maybe we'll get in in 2.1. Get the Forms History extension ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
me2 schrieb: I downloaded and installed the extension, its better than nothing, but I suspect I am not in a minority in missing the original from manger. having to add something like Roboform seems to defeat the original concept- Is there any hope at all of restoring form manager? I will uninstall 2.O and go back to 1.18 for now. Robert Kaiser said no, not until someone volunteers to work on it! -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
me2 wrote: I downloaded and installed the extension, its better than nothing, but I suspect I am not in a minority in missing the original from manger. having to add something like Roboform seems to defeat the original concept- Is there any hope at all of restoring form manager? I will uninstall 2.O and go back to 1.18 for now. me2 wrote: let us hope - I didn't use firefox for this very reason. On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:12:25 -0400, Louu...@domain.invalid wrote: Dennis Gleeson wrote: A new form manager replaces all previous web form management, and automatically keeps a record of what you type into forms and presents you these options in a drop-down list when you come back. I haven't downloaded the new version yet but have a question based on some previous reading on here. Is there any way in 2.0 to fill a complete form with 1 or 2 clicks(like with the current form manager) or are you forced to make a choice from drop downd in EACH form field? I miss the old form manager too. Maybe we'll get in in 2.1. Get the Forms History extension I have given up on SeaMonkey and begun to use FireFox and ThunderBird. I didn't want to stop using SeaMonkey, but the Form Manager was my main reason to keep using it; I really, can live with out Composer. Now, that SeaMonkey is so much near FireFox, and there is so much more awareness of FireFox and ThunderBird, I decided to go this way. Best wishes to all SEaMonkey users. MikeyG ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Le 29 octobre 2009, NoOp a écrit : On 28/10/2009 10:30, Lucas Levrel wrote: And to make it remember some forms but not all (e.g. logging-in forms for forums but not for bank accounts)? Relevant bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304309 [convert to satchel from wallet] See the last few comments. Let me copy the most relevant comment: --- The feature to fill in whole forms at once has gone, yes. Without the aid of an add-on the best you can do is to double-click each field in turn and pick the (preferred) value from the list each time. While it would be possible to write an add-on that would do this for all input fields automatically I don't actually know whether such an add-on exists. --- Still, my second question (reproduced alone on top of this message) is open: does the new Form manager record the data one types in all forms, or can one specify domain names where form data mustn't be stored? -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
On 10/28/2009 03:50 AM, Mark Banner wrote: On 28/10/2009 10:30, Lucas Levrel wrote: My question: is there a way to make it remember only *part* of a form (e.g. login but not password)? And to make it remember some forms but not all (e.g. logging-in forms for forums but not for bank accounts)? Passwords are not saved by the form manager - they are located in the password manager. Hence can be switched off/denied separately. iirc form fill will remember usernames if you don't save the password, but I could be wrong. Standard8 Relevant bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304309 [convert to satchel from wallet] See the last few comments. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Dennis Gleeson wrote: A new form manager replaces all previous web form management, and automatically keeps a record of what you type into forms and presents you these options in a drop-down list when you come back. I haven't downloaded the new version yet but have a question based on some previous reading on here. Is there any way in 2.0 to fill a complete form with 1 or 2 clicks(like with the current form manager) or are you forced to make a choice from drop downd in EACH form field? I think that's what they did. I can't imagine why they'd set it up that way. Bad move. Form manager was one of the best features of Seamonkey. I'm not going to go thru each field every time to fill them in. Guess I'll stick with 1.18. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Le 27 octobre 2009, Dennis Gleeson a écrit : A new form manager replaces all previous web form management, and automatically keeps a record of what you type into forms and presents you these options in a drop-down list when you come back. I haven't downloaded the new version yet but have a question based on some previous reading on here. Same for me. Is there any way in 2.0 to fill a complete form with 1 or 2 clicks(like with the current form manager) or are you forced to make a choice from drop downd in EACH form field? My question: is there a way to make it remember only *part* of a form (e.g. login but not password)? And to make it remember some forms but not all (e.g. logging-in forms for forums but not for bank accounts)? (In SM 1.1.18, I unchecked Preferences Privacy Security Form Manager Save form data, and manually save the form data I want with Edit Save Form Info.) Thanks. -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
On 28/10/2009 10:30, Lucas Levrel wrote: My question: is there a way to make it remember only *part* of a form (e.g. login but not password)? And to make it remember some forms but not all (e.g. logging-in forms for forums but not for bank accounts)? Passwords are not saved by the form manager - they are located in the password manager. Hence can be switched off/denied separately. iirc form fill will remember usernames if you don't save the password, but I could be wrong. Standard8 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Dennis Gleeson wrote: A new form manager replaces all previous web form management, and automatically keeps a record of what you type into forms and presents you these options in a drop-down list when you come back. I haven't downloaded the new version yet but have a question based on some previous reading on here. Is there any way in 2.0 to fill a complete form with 1 or 2 clicks(like with the current form manager) or are you forced to make a choice from drop downd in EACH form field? I miss the old form manager too. Maybe we'll get in in 2.1. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM 2.0 Form Management
A new form manager replaces all previous web form management, and automatically keeps a record of what you type into forms and presents you these options in a drop-down list when you come back. I haven't downloaded the new version yet but have a question based on some previous reading on here. Is there any way in 2.0 to fill a complete form with 1 or 2 clicks(like with the current form manager) or are you forced to make a choice from drop downd in EACH form field? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
