Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

2004-05-27 Thread Roger Oksanen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 May 2004 00:34, Dave wrote: Just for an update on this, bouncing the thread appropriately for devl: What are the current outstanding issues with GCJ compatibility (or, for that matter, Kaffe/Blackdown/IBM java compatibility) IBM's

Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

2004-05-27 Thread Toad
On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 09:15:25AM +0200, Garb wrote: Conrad Sabatier wrote: I find Java's memory requirements to be totally unreasonable, its performance lackluster, and I've finally come to the conclusion that it was indeed a poor choice of language in which to implement a project of

Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

2004-05-26 Thread Toad
On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 05:39:34PM +0200, Troed S?ngberg wrote: On Tue, 25 May 2004 10:51:20 -0400, Jay Oliveri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Fred takes too much CPU and RAM because it's written in Java. I hate this depate. It's true that object orienting uses up (a few) more bytes than

Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

2004-05-26 Thread Ian Clarke
Toad wrote: JIT Java (which we're all running) is also very speedy, there's only a few rare instances where it's worth the trouble to replace code with something natively instead. Debatable. But most of the problems with Java come from the fact that it is non-free IMHO. If and when freenet

Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

2004-05-26 Thread Dave
Just for an update on this, bouncing the thread appropriately for devl: What are the current outstanding issues with GCJ compatibility (or, for that matter, Kaffe/Blackdown/IBM java compatibility) ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

2004-05-25 Thread Jay Oliveri
On Tuesday 25 May 2004 06:36 am, Robert Greenage wrote: This appears to be a major blow to the development of freenet.Conrad is a major force behind the whole project.Without him I don't see any other developer capable of stepping up and filling the void. He has a good point with the constant

Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

2004-05-25 Thread Troed Sngberg
On Tue, 25 May 2004 10:51:20 -0400, Jay Oliveri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Fred takes too much CPU and RAM because it's written in Java. I hate this depate. It's true that object orienting uses up (a few) more bytes than non-OO programming, but that's trivial compared to the structuring you

Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

2004-05-25 Thread Christopher Brian Jack
On Tue, 25 May 2004, Ian Clarke wrote: That is a shame. Clearly I don't agree with your reasoning, there is no evidence that any other language would not have similar or worse issues (consider the amount of time we would spend dealing with memory leaks and array overflows had we

Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

2004-05-25 Thread Paul Derbyshire
On 25 May 2004 at 13:37, Christopher Brian Jack wrote: On Tue, 25 May 2004, Ian Clarke wrote: That is a shame. Clearly I don't agree with your reasoning, there is no evidence that any other language would not have similar or worse issues (consider the amount of time we would spend

Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

2004-05-25 Thread Phillip Hutchings
On 26/05/2004, at 9:36 AM, Paul Derbyshire wrote: ... rather than just having one, platform dependent #idfef-filled source file with the appropriate functions duplicated for all the different supported platforms. That's the perfect reason to use Java! It may not be the nicest code, but you only