Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-27 Thread etienne deleflie
Hi Dave, The paper Blauert cites is by Gardener, M.B (1969) ... this one: http://asadl.org/jasa/resource/1/jasman/v45/i1/p47_s1?isAuthorized=no (I dont have access to it right now) The abstract says the experiment included the use of both loudspeakers and voices. Blauert's wording suggests he

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-27 Thread Augustine Leudar
I used whispers in a sound installations quite often . We had several PA speakers hidden around the trees and amongst other things whispers were on the soundscape (in the darkness) . I dont really recall any proximity illusions being created but I had the whispers at the volume that was not a lot

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-27 Thread Peter Lennox
To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion Hi Dave, The paper Blauert cites is by Gardener, M.B (1969) ... this one: http://asadl.org/jasa/resource/1/jasman/v45/i1/p47_s1?isAuthorized=no (I dont have access to it right now) The abstract says

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-27 Thread Martin Leese
Augustine Leudar wrote: ... The sounds and settings have to be convincing enough, believable enough, for cognitive effects to work - then you can get away with all sorts of acoustic inaccuracies - thats why I think so many sound installations in galleries leave me cold - you can see all the

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-27 Thread etienne deleflie
Another point that is interesting, in considering the cognitive dimension of spatial perception, is that some processes involve the identification of a sounding object, and some do not. The recognition of an over-simplified mono reverb algorithm, as an Icon of the sound of a large space, requires

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-26 Thread etienne deleflie
Semiotic frameworks such as that of Charles Peirce indicate that references (or signs) work in different ways. For example, mono reverb acts as an icon (that is, it is similar to) the experience of large spaces. Whereas the recording of hair clippers acts as an index of close

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-26 Thread Dave Malham
Hi, I don't have Blauert handy unfortunately, so perhaps someone could enlighten me about how the study mentioned was conducted - real whisperers or recordings? It pretty well has to be recordings - because otherwise a whisper at 9 metres would pretty well be inaudible (that being the whole

[Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-25 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
this is not meant to refute all the comments on the over-rated importance of doppler cues in distance estimation, but: never under-estimate the suggestive power of faked doppler shift cues. this humble bear of very little brain once had the exceptional honor to prepare john chowning's turenas

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-25 Thread etienne deleflie
Jorn, it turned out that this monster of a piece is unkillable, no matter what we tried. so this evil little bear of little brain but inexhaustible mischievousness folded it down to mono, out of pure spite. the sound was still all over the place. chowning 10, bear 0. and here's to fake

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-25 Thread David Worrall
On 26/02/2013, at 9:01 AM, etienne deleflie wrote: Jorn, it turned out that this monster of a piece is unkillable, no matter what we tried. so this evil little bear of little brain but inexhaustible mischievousness folded it down to mono, out of pure spite. the sound was still all over

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-25 Thread Peter Lennox
From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of etienne deleflie [edelef...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 February 2013 22:01 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion Jorn, it turned out

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-25 Thread etienne deleflie
From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of etienne deleflie [edelef...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 February 2013 22:01 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion Jorn, it turned out

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-25 Thread Michael Chapman
Semiotic frameworks such as that of Charles Peirce indicate that references (or signs) work in different ways. For example, mono reverb acts as an icon (that is, it is similar to) the experience of large spaces. Whereas the recording of hair clippers acts as an index of close proximity