Probably because the newsmedia does not consider the engine warranty issue to
be news. However, testing of biofuel continues to be of some interest. A good
read which tests various blends of biodiesel versus petrodiesel can be found
at:
Not a word mentioned of any efforts or innovations to encourage alt-fuel use by
codifying taxation methods and amounts, even though a big point of the whole
exercise is to meet CO2 objectives.
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Global Warming Vote / New Greenhouse Gas Study
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:35:38 -0500
EMS Update - October 27, 2003
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Hello to all,
Would Todd or some other send a description of a closed loop heat exchanger?
I would greatly appreciate it.
Bill Clark
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] open
Toyota Revo type 2L 2.4 diesel engine 1998 model running at B100 and as
lube oil for two stroke engine Yamaha 1983 model 125 cc mixed with 5%
bidoesel (1:20) still running under observation initial result change
spark plug and clean gasoline tank because biodiesel and gasoline mixed
remove
On a slightly different note, is there anyone turning off the heat
entirely before adding the methoxide/ethanol equivalent? This would
be
ideal because it could eliminate the need to heat the mixing tank if
the
oil were pre-heated. (I'm particularly interested if this would work
for
any
Hi Aaron
Todd: Of course I would use a closed loop heat exchanger. Good call on the
differences of wood flames and propane flames, though. On the other hand,
there's information on the JTF website about using milk cartons with
sawdust and byproduct. It's under the glycerine section. Is anyone
http://www.amestrib.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=2035dept_id=238095newsid=
10408883PAG=461rfi=9
Have not heard any word recently on Diesel engine makers for farmers
and others
doing a better job of certifying their engines to be warrantied
using more than
a 5% mixture. Pity. Have never heard the
Hi,new to the bord.
I Have a 1971 lightweight landrover series 111 with a 1985-86 2.5 defender
engine.The injector on this engine contains rubber seals which i beleve will be
damaged if used with biodiesel or veg oil having bought said landrover for my
biofuel project because it has 2 fuel
Hello Michael
Hi,new to the bord.
Welcome.
I Have a 1971 lightweight landrover series 111 with a 1985-86 2.5
defender engine.
:-) We used to have one of they, same year, with the original engine.
The injector on this engine contains rubber seals which i beleve
will be damaged if used with
Hi Keith,
I don't know for sure whether it is FFA's or something else ( BD ? ), but
the color is black and the BD is goldish, so I think it must be FFA's.
How do you know it's FFAs? The glycerine layer can continue to leak
small amounts of biodiesel for some time after the process.
I
Aaron,
I wasn't referring to a closed loop on the exchanger, which is more or
less a given. I was speaking of a closed loop reactor to prevent vapors from
leaving the system, or at least not until the vast majority had passed
through a condensor and been recovered - erego the vent after the
girl Mark wrote:
Weekend fire destroys backyard biodiesel operation
[snip]
Major bummer!
Particularly that last statement!
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We know that using biodiesel or WVO in a diesel causes a small power
loss. Could this be compensated for by turning the fuel up a bit, say
1/8 turn? Or would that just drive up the exhaust gas temperature with
no real benefit, powerwise?
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I guess my recent expts. with wet alcohol
have a corollary: the oil as well can be
wetter than we may have been led to believe.
I certainly won't worry any more about boil-
ing til the sputtering stops completely
(yes I know some of you never did:-)), given
that the alcohol can have 5% water and
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:56:49 -0800, you wrote:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-10/uou-bm9102603.php
Thanks. I thought this person had identified some really interesting topics for
study, and I thought he was correct in his reasoning that:
Explaining why he conducted the study,
Hrmm,
http://www.thoughtsnmemories.net/bioschema.htm
Looking at Tom's Plant Schema and not knowing how far the dewatering unit
is from the processor, I would say that if he didn't have a sealed
processor (although it does kinda look like he has one in the
schema) there might be some issues,
Hi,
It's most likely that you can buy seals which are made out of teflon (PFTE
if you wish = poly tetra fluor etheen ) or some stuff like that.
Met vriendelijke groeten,
Pieter Koole
Netherlands
The information contained in this message (including attachments) is
confidential, and is intended
Mercedes Benz 300 TD turbo wagon 1987 2WD
Massey Ferguson 1010 tractor 4WD
Belarus 822 tractor 4WD
All B100
Chris Amar
Central New York State
Mark Finewood wrote:
I am curiouse about what vehicles people are running on biodiesel?
Let me know.
Mark
Yahoo!
We have succeeded in our first batch and all is running well. We seperated
the biodiesel from the glycerine the day after the reaction and then found
that there was still lots of seperating to occur. We are getting down to the
end of the batch and finding that the fuel is mixed with quite a bit
Aaron,
Have you checked out the following for process heat:
http://www.freeheatmachine.com/
James Slayden
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, Aaron F. Wieler wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, shawstafari wrote:
Aaron, any word on the program at Hampshire? Recommendations from
the CU Biodiesel peeps?
I have a 1993 Ford F-350, a 1993 Toyota Hilux Pickup, a 1995 Isuzu Elf 250
2-Ton Flatbed, a 1995 Toyota Hiace Van, a 1997 Toyota Hiace Van, a 1996 Toyota
Hiace Van, a 1999 Toyota Hiace Van all running B100 in the vehicle department.
I also have 2 small yanmar diesels (bandsaw mill and
Hi Pieter
Hi Keith,
I don't know for sure whether it is FFA's or something else ( BD ? ), but
the color is black and the BD is goldish, so I think it must be FFA's.
But the proportions are really all wrong. Still, it probably is FFA,
but that you can't get it to separate more than that, with
Not a word mentioned of any efforts or innovations to encourage alt-fuel use by
codifying taxation methods and amounts, even though a big point of the whole
exercise is to meet CO2 objectives.
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This may not dirrectly relate to biofuels (they do mention solar
energy, the ultimate source of biofuel) but it's a good example of
apropriate technology.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3209239.stm
'Minigrids' solve South Asia power crisis
New mini-grids - small, community-owned
There';s been a great series in Home Power magazine in the last few
issues about domestic soolar hot water, including some heat exchange
stuff. It's a good primer to what we're doing with heat exchangers.
That said, most heat exchangers are made of copper, which we should
stay away from for
I'd be interested to see what sort of soap production you get (you can
do the soap test with bromophenol blue indicator and hydrochloric acid
as described at the Leonardo site to get real numbers on this...). In
nicer oil like yours it's not a huge problem most likely, but
comparitively (ie
yeah, they're great. kind of inappropriate for the operation i'm involved
in. Do you know of any smaller furnaces that are similar? DIY pages about
these?
too bad they call is free heat. that's a step in the wrong direction, i
think, because of the connotation attached to these inventions that
Hi MM
Thanks for posting this, interesting indeed.
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:56:49 -0800, you wrote:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-10/uou-bm9102603.php
Thanks. I thought this person had identified some really
interesting topics for
study, and I thought he was correct in his
On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 12:30 PM, skillshare wrote:
I'd be interested to see what sort of soap production you get...
In nicer oil like yours it's not a huge problem most likely, but
comparatively (ie compared to drying the oil first)???
It does seem to be a little soapier (guess my
Hi Mark
Tom Leue said the thermostat failed, so it wasn't an open-flame heat
source but electrical heating. If anything, a rheostat would be
better than a thermostat. Thermostats keep switching the power on
and
off to keep the temperature ranging as little as possible either
side
of
It sounds like a reprocess would be in order to see if he gets a two layer
seperation. If you get a good two layer seperation, then your proportions
are truely off.
Keith, I think your right in doing a water wash test w/ 50%water,
50%biodiesel and seeing how much emulsion forms, and if it even
His final discussions of biofuel energies were also interesting to me. Some
biofuel proponents will disagree with his ideas, but so be it.
I disagree with his approach, and therefore with his conclusions. You
probably guessed I'd refer to these previous messages again:
How much fuel can we
William,
A picture of a closed loop heat exchanger doesn't require much
imagination.
Picture the following in a circular loop:
A liquid resevoir (1/2 gallon, sometimes more, maybe less, depending upon
need) heated by your fuel of choice, and a method of circulation (pump or
convection) that
Allan,
And here I always thought that footfeeds were lineal, not orbital.
Wouldn't matter whether the accelerator were dial or straight line, you
still have to get over the hump somehow, whether it's a gennie or a
motorized vehicle (tractor, truck, auto, whatever) which means some degree
of
A regular one person baseball team, eh?
:-)
The Happy Hippie
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From: Jack Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] What vehicle are you running on biodiesel?
I have a 1993 Ford F-350, a
Yo Keith and Pieter,
I believe what you will find in the separation of the glycerin cocktail
using phosphoric acid (or sulfuric) is a transparent amber layer of
glycerin/alcohol/water above the precipiate (sodium phosphate, sodium
sulfate, potassium phosphate, potassium sulfatewhatever) and
Doug,
In response to what type of filter is best to use in your quest?
The simplest and least expensive (more often than not) is time.
Time as a filter??
A good bit of glycerin can remain solute in biodiesel, as can much biodiesel
remain solute in the glycerin cocktail, long after a
I'd be tickled (That's a joke, son. That's a joke. see Froghorn
Leghorn) to see this conducted with fresh deer tallow.
Darned might sensitive stuff relative to solid soap production after a
complete reaction.
1/4 gram over can yield a 50% biodiesel/50% solid soap/biodiesel emulsion
at a
on 10/27/03 5:40 PM, Appal Energy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd be tickled to see this conducted with
fresh deer tallow.
Darned might sensitive stuff relative to
solid soap production after a complete
reaction.
1/4 gram over can yield a 50% biodiesel
/50% solid soap/biodiesel
Hey Keith,
Elecktrickery, eh?
Chuckle, Chuckle smurf chuckle:-)
It is much like plumbing, save for the small fact that most plumbing
fixtures you can see through. Solid state and enclosed switches and similar
apparati require a swift course of mental reconfiguration to not only
Glycerine that is. And I am not really sure what to do with it. I am making
about 350 gallons of fuel a week now and coming out with roughly 40-45 gallons
of glycerine to boot. Up until this point I was able to compost most of it
readily, but now I have too much to deal with effectively. I
At 09:39 PM 10/27/03 -0500, you wrote:
Glycerine that is. And I am not really sure what to do with it.
Have you looked into using it to make soap?
Glycerine based soaps are translucent and are easy enough to make that
stores carry kits so that kids can make their own soap at home.
Walt
Alright Ken,
I was hoping to avoid it this year. But I'll pull 50 or 60 pounds of scrap
over from the local processor once gun season starts, then boil you up some
deer tallow and Molly Dog some deer stew.
We'll all be happy. The dog more than you or I, no doubt.
Send an addy and we'll get
Keith Addison wrote:
As I understand it (which could well be full of holes) a thermostat
works as I described it above, a rheostat simply adjusts the power
supply, lower or higher, and stays as you set it. The one is
constantly changing, switching on and off, surges up and down, the
other's
Jack,
Your glycerin is a cocktail of soap, alcohol, glycerin and catalyst. It
will burn well so-so as a fuel in that state, providing you can achieve a
proper fuel/air ratio. The alcohol is generally what takes off. The glycerin
is a bit tougher to get to burn - like burning honey, literally.
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Global Warming Vote / New Greenhouse Gas Study
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:35:38 -0500
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