I guess I'm sorta left, in more ways than one,depending who is talking
about me. I admit I don't devote a lot of time to the email list Hover
I'll will follow the group/list to wherever it migrates too, if it
migrates at all. All good things come to on end that is particularity
true of thing
Registered members, 2, no change.
No nets No traffic.
I spoke with the two Rooks County Health Center employees, that where
recently licensed. Somewhere along the line they got the impression that
Public Safety personnel could use amateur radio frequencies to talk with
amateur radio licensees.
Hi Keith,
Giving it all an extra moment of thought, I realize the following;
While mankind is able to exploit the planet's resources, nature owns
mankind. Owns us absolutely, there is no negotiation. I probably knew
that all along, but it slips my mind, time to time.
Doug, N0LKK
Judging by the writings of Thomas Paine I ran across recently, all of
mankind owns our planet(nature?) in common. Agrarian Justice
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~Hyper2/CDFinal/Paine/agrarian.html
The more history I discover, the more I wonder how the USA got from then
to now. And thanks for
While I understand that my country never intends to truly liberate
Iraq and her citizens, but I wonder Naomi Klein understands how naive
going on about the reported 25/75 split will be read by royalty owners
in the United State. 25% is twice as much as royalty owners in the
United States
Keith Addison wrote:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/06/local_food.html
Consumers Prefer Locally Grown Food, Study Finds
Shoppers say they're willing to pay a premium
Has anyone asked the questions Can you afford to pay a premium? How
much of a premium?
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas
I doubt that higher petroleum prices would mean, an appreciable increase
in amount waste oil is recycled, but higher prices may increase the
demand for what of what waste oil is collected. I would love to have a
transport tanker full of it to sell at the crude oil reclaiming plant a
mile
My understanding is that the Sorghum cane used to produce molasses is
different that grain sorghum. Milo, but, some call it Maize as well.
knew a man used to farm irrigated land in Southwest Kansas. He spoke of
growing Corn and then he spoke of growing Maize. Took me forever to
figure out
You would think here in the US someone as innocent as an infant would be
protected by the 4th amendment. I wonder what the fate of a child who's
DNA profile shows them to predisposed to becoming a politician would be?
Doug
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Fritz Friesinger wrote:
www.econologie.com
and get more Info from there Website! Everything is in french maybe Frantz
coul help a little with this
Fritz
Or you could install the Google tool bar for your browser or use
babelfish http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/babelfish/tr
Kirk McLoren wrote:
I am in favor of new laws - only if you recind an old one. There are
so many laws now the only way you know you are breaking one is if
they pinch you. Kirk
I can't recall a time when I first learned of a law is when I was
pinched. I'm still relatively young, perhaps
Chip Mefford wrote:
There were a *lot* of problems with this. I'm not going to
go into it all, in fact, I'm barely going to scratch the
surface. But essentially, the nationwide 55mph speed limit
was about as popular as prohibition, and caused many of
the same problems.
That was
Darryl McMahon wrote:
Francene,
have you done the test with DC-rated equipment? Most low-cost EMF
testing equipment is designed for use with AC power.
I believe the Prius does use AC.
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I did understand that the unit has batteries of it's own, for some
reason I got the impression the unit also recharged the vehicle's
original batteries as well. shrug
Doug
robert and benita wrote:
I've read that Toyota isn't standing by their hybrid systems after
the warranty period is
Kirk McLoren wrote:
Kit converts hybrid to plug in electric
http://www.hymotion.com/
What do the hybrid manufacturers have to say about the use of outboard
battery chargers? Will the use affect the manufacturers warranty of the
vehicle's batteries?
d.
The Holcomb power plant in SW Kansas is a topic of particular interest
to me, because it now will affect what I pay for power from the grid.
I'm certain 10 cent electrical power is going to be a thing of the past.
Considering it's reported that $200 million is still owed on the plant
I would really doubt a label on the barrel would deter dumpster
divers. The only down sides I could imagine are; that by claiming
ownership, you would be making yourself liable. For example if the oil
would happen to leak into the environment for any reason, you may be
held responsible for the
Well all they would have to do is stay within the United States. I really
can't recall either of them being globe trotters prior to their
election. I'm not so sure the action of the French officials has any
thing to do with the status of their balls. They where safely in their
home country
I don't believe eternity is long enough to discuss tit for tat. Perhaps
if weren't for some American businessmen empowering Hitler, history may
have been different. Of course we ignore the US's effective genocide.
Forgetting about those German Nazi collaborators that the US shielded
and
swalms wrote:
Perhaps they should state they deplore the attacks of 911. or do they?
Respectfully that's no more than looking for an excuse to reject
something. Anyway what's the word on European and US Christian leaders
deploring the policies of their respective countries that
Mike Weaver wrote:
*And we keep getting richer but we can't get our picture
On the cover of the Rolling Stone
-Dr Hook
Curses. Thanks to you that tune will be stuck in my head for hours.
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No matter the Japanese auto manufacturers spin it, the car is going to
be basically a machine for getting around. And always will play a role
in pollution and, in accidents. Transforming it into a friendly
companion ain't gonna change those facts. Perhaps they are mesmerized
by the Sony
Whew! For a moment there I though the Future Farmers of America
http://ffa.org/ lost their trademark colors. :)
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I see nothing that hasn't been stated before by others. Much of this was
history prior to Bin Laden and the Afghan Mujahideen accepting U. S.
aid in their Jihad against the Soviets occupying Afghanistan. He is no
discerning in, who he allies with no more than, the the U. S. has been.
Neither
John Mullan wrote:
It's not a war, it's an occupation.
That sound like a bumper sticker
Can't pull out the troops. If they were withdrawn, the security of the oil
won't be assured.
10-15-20-25-30 years down the road I suspect that will remain the situation.
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
A new twist on MAD? The risk of your home being effected by your use of
nuclear weapons on close in targets, deters your use of them?
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
Kirk McLoren wrote:
The estimates I heard wasnt 200. It was 600 bombs. As for tritium I think it
has a lot of uses. What possible
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did you notice the Onion logo in the lower right?
Not until you mentioned it. Cleverly hidden in the C of C-SPAN.
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John Ferree wrote:
For a veggie farm. . . .
http://www.flyingbeet.com/electricg/
john
Such a conversion could be suitable for the VI Case sitting here in the
yard. But it isn't typical of the tractors used around here.
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
But isn't sustained mass wealth leg a pipe dream? What do we need
to to prevent that weak loose leg from, poking us in the butt, as the
stool crashes to the floor?
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
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to Biofuel List from Lewis L Smith
I am old enough
IMO it's because that large percentage has been lead to believe that
personal empires that will be inherited by their children, is a
birthright, that large majority will not accept modest. I'm not so
sure where that leaves the minority?
[shrug]
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Perhaps I'm reading the article too critically. Diesel tractors do not
need the PTO to operate cultivation and seeding implements, that I'm
aware of, so it would stand to reason an electric tractor wouldn't
either. Desi el or electric a PTO will required to operate some crop
harvesting
Larry Ruebush wrote:
PTO IS USED during planting and cultivating. Often used to run the planter
or sprayer.
Larry Ruebush
west central IL
I stand corrected. I'll pay a bit more attention when my my neighbors
drill in the wheat this fall.
Doug, N0LKK
Jason Mier wrote:
thats because the old american diesels were poorly designed (being
modified gassers) and burned out after a few sickly weak years.
Robert's post pointed out the myth about the GM Diesels being modified
Oldsmobile Gasoline engines. Oddly, wikipedia articles both perpetuate
Respectfully this is old news. Americans ignored it when it was trotted
out before the run up to the Iraq invasion. Even with the fact his
words have proven true, I doubt that many more Americans are going to
care today. I don't believe it would change things if there where.
This
In this Catholic area, 2-3-4 kids seems to be typical, but 6 or more
isn't unheard of. I would have a difficult time labeling any of those
women anything less then empowered.
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
On 8/16/07, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the evidence
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
I vaguely remember a 6 cylinder 4.3 liter version of the early 80's GM
5.7 liter diesel but alot of people don't consider those suitable
for running diesel in, let alone biodiesel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_Diesel_V6_engine supports your
Approaching comparing apple to oranges here, so I have to agree with
Kirk. The loss associated with the transportation of electrical power
are known expected loss, loss that little can be done to prevent. The
loss of water in the transportation of the water in this example is due
to the
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
Ummm. I don't know anyone who makes a V-6 diesel engine. What's it
in, how old is it, and who manufactured it.
Some of the Detroit 2 cycle diesels where, are? available in a V6
configuration. I remember that my dad's first oil well servicing rig was
power by a V6 71
I just brought in a case of the Ozarka brand of water that I purchase
yesterday. Emblazoned on the shrink wrap was the announcement that now
30% less plastic is used to make the bottles.
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Kansas USA inc.
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Fritz Friesinger wrote:
Hey Jeromie,
whats wrong with kids running in the streets?
I'm guessing the potential to becoming road kill?
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Yes it's a matter of scale, that's probably why I referenced it, instead
of ignoring it. You mentioned urban not village, Mention of urban
horses. Now there's an idea worth looking at. The current calender year
is 2007 not 1907, much less 1808. I have too believe you would have a
hard time
Considering it's our grandparents generation that was a part of the
group that put us on the consumptive path we have been on, I'm not so
sure what they would have to teach us. Perhaps after surviving the
hardships of the Depression and WWII, they thought it was their and
America's due to do
While I don't mean to disrespect the effort, this more a think tank than
a council. Council or think tank, I didn't read about any commitment
from anyone in a position to be a part of creating public policy , to
use the counsel of the council in creating public policy. Perhaps it's
value
Peak Coal, Peak Oil, any guesses how long to Peak Water? A recent
editorial by our small town weekly publisher, along with my
Congressman's email newsletter reinforces, few in leadership positions
are ready suggest that we conserve resources. I guess some of those who
call themselves
Mike Weaver wrote:
Foxfire. Used to be my bible - are they still around?
-Weaver
At this point we all have seen where Keith directed us to where can find
the foxfire volumes as pdf files and pointed us to
http://www.librum.us/pdfs/index.htm where there may be other interesting
material,
robert and benita rabello wrote:
Indeed! And they need technology to separate urine? Grief! A
plastic jugg next to the toilet will do. This saves water, and my maize
plants are SO much happier . . .
robert luis rabello
In the event Law enforcement ever sees your urine
Another member mention filters/message rules, that's how manage the
volume of email I elected to receive. I use the filters to direct new
email from each list into it's own folder. That way the email in my
inbox are the ones that may really need my attention. When I turn my
attention to the
Obviously humor for targeted audience and posting to his list may
have been off target. Beyond that I'm unsure if, Iran still closed
off is any more or any less callous than, Massachusetts executes last
remaining conservative. Oh well, it's nothing I would forward on, no
matter how many
Butcher paper is still in use in a few stores around here, as well. The
end of plastic bags would put an end to the paper or plastic question
and, that would put an end to my baffling carry outs. I answer the
question with plastic, support the local economy. Seldom do they make
the
:) on reading the bag recycling method. my thought process ran; I just
washed them, why would I want them to fall on *my* floor? Besides that
the inside of the bag is what ends up needing the cleaning. On
recycling glass milk bottles, how much higher would the energy input be?
Hot water
Ah Keith and the group,
Respectfully you don't understand that the testing for BSE is
unscientific. Kansas Representative Jerry Moran has told us so.
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
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Mike Weaver wrote:
So why doesn't Creekstone just test in Canada or Mexico or anywhere the
USDA doesn't have jurisdiction?
Fedex.
Long ways to truck cattle to extract a sample. Why would anyone in
those countries risk it? Now the USA is now bring people who have never
previously step
MK DuPree wrote:
Anyone know how JTF List members can know if JTF is ever filtered?
Would each member stop receiving posts to the List? Would we each
receive only certain posts? Thanks in advance for any ideas, comment.
Mike DuPree
As I read the article what was labeled, filtering
Kirk McLoren wrote:
cell phones should be reserved for emergencies only.
Kirk
That may or may not be wise advise, I don't know and, doubt anyone knows
for certain. I am fairly certain if everyone followed that advise there
would be no cell phone network and if there where, service would be
And here I have been suspecting a network, not accessible to the general
public, has been in operation all this time. Did everyone save their
software from the telephone BBS days? Where currently the focus is on
the internet, I wonder how many, if any, subversive groups are currently
using a
I suspect Ameren CIPS will be instituting a policy, where they will not
accept cash payments in cash, below a certain denomination. I recall a
case where it was revealed while US coins are legal tender, for amounts
less than a dollar, but I can't find a reference to it.
In regards to
OK, one more hypocrite in a nation full of them. When I read someone
harping about an electric gate, I have to think how much more of the
article contains other silly concerns.
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My guess is, a want to be President, wouldn't select an ineligible
running mate. In the event he where to do so and was elected and died,
the VP would have to step aside for the Speaker of the House At this
time there are two persons in the presidential line of succession who
appear to be
Havidol cute, but I doubt most people see have it all, until after
they learn it's a hoax.
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
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Fellas,
Review that again. Nobody alive today meets that 14 year residency
requirement. You would have to be as old as the adoption of the
Constitution PLUS 14 years. Bottom line is, if weren't born here you
can't be, top dog.
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
robert and benita rabello wrote:
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
Fred Oliff wrote:
screw the meek, they have had over 2000 years to do something and have
not, doth quote the Onion
OK-who did the Onion Quote? Or should that be The Onion saith...
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
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Aztec, Inca, Maya, I believe two of those flourished, and met their
demise sometime before, the European discovery of the new world. I
just don't remember by world history as well as I should. I was in High
School, when I figured out those indigenous to the American Continents,
where no less
I'm sure that's what the bible thumpers want us to believe, but I'm not
sure that is the case. Ever notice how those who seek to use the bible
to say America is doomed always use words from the bible that don't
require them to change. Always the other persons fault.
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
Far out the Queen doesn't fancy Kansas. I can still have my beer cold,
then.
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Not that I'm saying I would fully comprehend any explanation, but it
would been nice to be informed what it was that I was viewing. Was this
a depiction of something that was actually observed, or an artist's
rendering of what is believed to be taking place? While it was visually
stunning,
Well I guess that is the American way, Mike. Sucker punch anyone who
isn't doing your bidding. ;) Friday nights are Kansas legislator night
on Smoky Hills Public TV. Never occurred to me to call in and ask them
about the real ID Act. Really hard to guess how the legislators in my
part of
I read this from Greg Palast earlier. Too bad he calls into question,
valid points about big brother, by mis-characterizing The Strategic
Petroleum Reserve. No matter what side of the issue Palast is not the
only commentator, to give cause to question their remarks, with obvious
spin. I
The referenced article mentions steam multiple times, Jason. Google
reveals there is another flavor of a 6 stroke engine
http://www.sixstroke.com/ , that doesn't seem to be linked with
Crower's. I just just can't wrap my imagination around either of them.
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
Jason
My response was about Greg Palast's editorial, *not* any error on your
part, Mike. As I said Palast makes valid points about big brother,
but I wouldn't forward that editorial on to anyone, that I would want to
convince of an impending problem. Why? His misrepresentation of the
purpose of
Yea I guess peak usable or peak easily attainable would be more
accurate, but awkward. Doug S.; Yes water vapor will condense and fall
to the planet's surface SOMEWHERE, however replenishing to it's original
source may be a bit of chance. Particularly if the source was an
underground
Interesting. Hopefully someone will create an animation of it's
operation. On drawback I see is that many places have reached peak
water,to borrow a phrase. Yes stationery application could easily
condense the exhaust. So could vehicles, but it may a trick where the
trend needs to be
The problem I have with films such is this is that the information flows
by so fast, and without being provided a transcript one can't really
study the issue, perhaps that's by design? I have long understood it's
mostly about the wealth* and who is able to accumulate it, but that's
been the
I can't direct you to any emails or even to a news item I recall. The
program outlined how on operation in Kansas recovered methane off it's
lagoons, along with using methane from a nearby landfill. I want to
recall it was on the Sunflowers journeys produced by KTWU
Even clean petroleum is biodegradable, I suppose. When spilled on the
ground, the volume will overwhelm any existing plants. As time passes
it become difficult to see the visual evidence of a spill. Spills that
have brine associated with the petroleum are another matter. Evidence
of the
While many here is the USA cry excess government regulation, without
considering that a good portion of the regulation is authored by those
being regulated. I suspect the same is true in Europe, and the
remainder of the World. Spin... Spin... Spin...
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
A.
As far as I know cloning hasn't reached the point, where the clone
appears at a ready to slaughter size. I would suppose a clone grown from
birth to slaughter size on grass, would qualify as grass feed beef. A
mass of muscle tissue grown in a petri dish may not. Personally I have
fewer
Could be scary, but I'm not sure it's any scarier that any of the other
possibilities that may emerge.
Doug
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Like most things one has to pick out what may be applicable, and useful
to/in their situation. Again everything is relative.
Doug, N0LKK
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In the event that the nut doesn't fall from the tree. Just don't hold
your breath waiting for any kind of apology from GWB. I recall GHWB
stating he(GHWB) would never apologize for anything America has done,
EVEN if it was WRONG.
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
When all else fails- Amateur Radio
Those who caused the losses, pain will not be the ones to paying
restitution. I propose the name every elected politician and political
appointees who vote for, or otherwise support torture, be put in a hat.
Whenever an innocent is torture, a name will be drawn from that, and
that person
Keith Olbermann seems to be the only media person in the USA willing
to take on the Republican cabal, as it currently exists in the USA, and
make is point, with a calm demeanor. Too bad his calm statements based
on fact aren't widely seen or read. Not that I think that would make a
big
Jason Katie wrote:
i rather enjoyed seeing him tear wallace to shreds.
Jason
As did I, I was thinking, it's about time when I seen it. However that
machine Keith Olbermann Spoke of, was quick to respond with the spin.
Was Clinton Pissed? Clearly. Was Clinton assertive? Yes. Was Clinton
Personally I think this is one of those slow news day items trotted out
on occasion, this is not the first time this is news.As I'm concerned I
see nothing to be concerned about as, in the long run it averages out.
The retailer, will not be making a lot of extra profit, so the
consumers will
I'm not ready to subscribe to the RFID paranoia just yet, mostly because
of the content D. Mindock provided. I have to feel their extreme
capabilities are being over stated In regards to beef, it will be the
Rancher who will be absorbing the cost of RFID implantation. As I
understand it the
I'd fear in my hands a glider would become a vehicle powered totally by
gravity. But then I'm not an aviator
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
Joe Street wrote:
Hey Matthew;
Have you ever tried gliding? Once I tried unpowered flight I had no
more interest in the noisy stinky brute force
I'm sure there will be counter measures developed and, sold to those who
are not DIY bent. Anyway those who do invest in making use of RFID
are going to be sorely pissed when, when they discover, the rfid didn't
tell them how easily rfid terrorists will be able to disrupt it all
Doug, N0LKK
Not only you can't please all the people all the time, it's damn
difficult to please few, once. ;) Yes it's an infomercial minus the
disclaimer, but most who watch such programs know that already. Yes it
could have been done better, but they probably done what they could in
only ~11.5
Heh! Hakan, are you one of those individuals that can't handle silence?
:) In the event you are don't worry I have never seen it last long
Doug
Hakan Falk wrote:
I never, I never saw so little activities on the list before. Missing it.
Hakan
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Allow me to comment(underscoring what Bob said) the reason water and CO2
is pumped into producing formations is to extract MORE oil from from the
formation, not replace it, enhanced recovery they call it. Jeff, I
suspect the Texan was telling you a tall tale and later joked with his
buddies
I ran across makezine.com last week, interesting. Are you aware of
www.hackaday.com?
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
Kirk McLoren wrote:
http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/diy_projects/
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Just one more damned if you do and damned if you don't situation I
think. There is so much time in a day. the media has to make choices in
What what to present. The individual has to make a choice in what
sources to use.
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.
Kirk McLoren wrote:
John- one problem is if even you own property outright you haven't
eliminated your debt. The tax man will still demand payment. As will
the insurance man if the use of said property brings mandatory liability
insurance coverage. That's not to say you wouldn't be better off owning
property
I just can't recall when, but the following was from an episode of the
Religion and Ethics program aired on PBS during a past Congressional
debate on the minimum wage. I recall the term used was just wage.
Problem is that here in the USA such criteria is labeled communist,
instead of
Actually it has to say more about the majority Americans than it does Al
Gore. As a group that as so much, they have been hoodwinked into
believing that they are being cheated, out of their due. Irony is that
those doing the hoodwink, are the very ones doing the cheating. The
myth of the
.
If crude were at $25/barrel we would not be having this conversation.
David
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] No New Refineries
This is one of those times I smell
This is one of those times I smell a rat, but can't find/prove it. In
regards to environmental requirements, in the industry previously
claimed the costs where too high and the consumer wouldn't pay the
price. Here we are now: No refineries where not built and the consumer
is paying
Allen,
I never felt Kirk's reply nit-picking, I was just a bit confused.
Anyway ET rarely enters my though process, unless someone brings it up.
I would be surprised if ET does exist, nor will I be disappointed
if I go to my grave not knowing the answer. I have no speculation if
Kirk,
The reason I bothered to post was to detail why I believe seasonal
burning, while it may have apparent benefits, is not natural, as
practiced by man. I would think the last sentence of mine; Personally
I think man has interfered enough, long enough, we can't fully
understand the
Keith Addison suggested that this discussion topic is an annual as the
burning of topic, I just can't recall that, or if my following comments
may have been said by others. Like Keith and others, I have observed
that fire can be beneficial for the prairie, but those same observations
also
I read some one commentated on the order of; that there is enough water,
nut not in the right places. I'm not so sure if there's enough water or
not, I do agree location is key, along with who controls that location.
What is right and what are rights is ambiguous. In the end it's the
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