agree.
Wes
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Huh? Did you actually read what I wrote?
On 1/11/07, Wes
. I am sorry you don't agree.
Wes
And did you actually read what I wrote?
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[Biofuel] Pendulum
Wed Jan 10 2007
Keith
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when a physicist speaks
Wes
On Behalf Of Keith Addison
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pendulum
Wes Moore wrote:
Oh yes I read what you wrote. You seem to think I should be
concerned about the latent energy from the atmosphere and count it
as the input cost
a physicist speaks
Are you a farmer?
I am.
Best
Keith
Previous:
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[Biofuel] Pendulum
Wed Jan 10 2007
Wes Moore wrote:
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Doug
Being a pump does not preclude a device from being over unity. It does not
violate physics because it extracts energy from
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Huh? Did you actually read what I wrote?
On 1/11/07, *Wes Moore* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes and this is why what does not work in theory sometimes works in
practice
Wes
*On Behalf Of *Zeke Yewdall
*Sent:* Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:25 PM
: [Biofuel] Pendulum
Wait... you make an economic arguement for why not to count the thermal
input, then claim that engineers designed it based on economics, not
physics? I've got two engineering degrees, and was always taught that the
laws of physics govern how stuff works. Economics is so
Holy crap Wes you're paying 15 cents per Kwh? (yes don't forget the
hours unit, or are you taking almost 3 hours to do this work?) I pay 6
cents or near a third of that. Where do you live man?
Joe
Wes Moore wrote:
Oh yes I read what you wrote. You seem to think I should be concerned
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pendulum
Holy crap Wes you're paying 15 cents per Kwh? (yes don't forget the hours
unit, or are you taking almost 3 hours to do this work?) I pay 6 cents or
near a third of that. Where do you live man?
Joe
Wes Moore wrote:
Oh yes I read what you wrote. You seem to think
: [Biofuel] Pendulum
Holy crap Wes you're paying 15 cents per Kwh? (yes don't forget the hours
unit, or are you taking almost 3 hours to do this work?) I pay 6 cents or
near a third of that. Where do you live man?
Joe
Wes Moore wrote:
Oh yes I read what you wrote. You seem to think I should
from the atmosphere as a gift. The
question you raise only questions who gets the gift. In an ideal
situation the power plant owner is honest and charges according to
his input cost.
Wes
On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pendulum
Wait
the power plant owner is honest and charges according to
his input cost.
Wes
On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pendulum
Wait... you make an economic arguement for why not to count the
thermal input, then claim that engineers designed
Joe some people pay even more. Thats why I am so tickled to see the rate on my
daughters house in Oregon to be 4 1/2 cents. Helps being within 10 miles of
McNary Dam :)
Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holy crap Wes you're paying 15 cents per
Kwh? (yes don't forget the hours unit, or are
Actually I'm paying the same as Wes. I was only thinking of the
generation rate. I forgot about those decrepit nuclear reactors we have
to pay to keep blundering along...
J
Kirk McLoren wrote:
Joe some people pay even more. Thats why I am so tickled to see the
rate on my daughters house
PS: my apologies to Keith for not trimming a post. I have changed from daily
digest to individual emails so I can't make this mistake again
From: Kirk McLoren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pendulum
Actually Wes a heat pump ins a heat transport machine. The amount
On 1/11/07, Wes Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Taking the data for a unit similar to mine for an example:
30,000btu McQuay with a typical condition 50F entering water temp @ 6.1GPM with
return air temp @ 70, requires
2.383 KW to operate the pump. This is 8,221 BTU's input. . The output
Huh? Did you actually read what I wrote?
On 1/11/07, Wes Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes and this is why what does not work in theory sometimes works in
practice
Wes
*On Behalf Of *Zeke Yewdall
*Sent:* Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:25 PM
On 1/11/07, *Wes Moore* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pendulum
The actual input to this system is somewhere above 31,413 BTUs -- not the
8,221BTUs you indicate -- some input being electrical energy, and some being
thermal energy in that 50F entering water. When defining a thermodynamic
system
Yes and this is why what does not work in theory sometimes works in practice
Wes
On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:25 PM
On 1/11/07, Wes Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Taking the data for a unit similar to mine for an example:
30,000btu McQuay with a
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From: R Pentney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Biofuel] Pendulum
Pick up a 10 lb weight with a rope or chain and swing it so you can
feel the extra weight at the bottom of the swing. Now shorten the
rope by half and try it again. The impulse is less, of course much
: [Biofuel] Pendulum
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:59:01 -0500
Robin,
As with all new applications to old concepts it is necessary to take time
for in-depth understanding of both old and new applications in order to
form
a new qualified response.
I have been experimenting with this concept and made
A heat pump is a *pump*. It moves heat from one place to another, at an
energy cost. It does not create heat. It is not an over-unity device.
Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Wes Moore wrote:
This is not more astounding than the heat pump that heats my home.
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pendulum
A heat pump is a *pump*. It moves heat from one place to another, at an
energy cost. It does not create heat. It is not an over-unity device.
Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Wes Moore wrote:
This is not more
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pendulum
A heat pump is a *pump*. It moves heat from one place to another, at an
energy cost. It does not create heat. It is not an over-unity device.
Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Wes Moore wrote:
This is not more astounding
smoke detector. They show this battery start
and operate the fan (they demonstrate only for a bit less than a minute of
course)
Wes
--
From: R Pentney
Subject: [Biofuel] Pendulum
Pick up a 10 lb weight with a rope or chain
Pick up a 10 lb weight with a rope or chain and swing it so you can
feel the extra weight at the bottom of the swing. Now shorten the
rope by half and try it again. The impulse is less, of course much
faster reps and therefore the time during which the impulse is
applied is much less -
: [Biofuel] pendulum/lever
Frank, I think the link shows some experiment of him attempting to apply the
use in a go cart, I didn't understand what he was trying to do.
The most interesting concept to me might be to configure it with a magnet
and coil similar to the induction flashlights
Frank, I think the link shows some experiment of him attempting to apply the
use in a go cart, I didn't understand what he was trying to do.
The most interesting concept to me might be to configure it with a magnet
and coil similar to the induction flashlights that work by shaking (sliding
a
Frank, I think the link shows some experiment of him attempting to apply the
use in a go cart, I didn't understand what he was trying to do.
The most interesting concept to me might be to configure it with a magnet
and coil similar to the induction flashlights that work by shaking (sliding
a
Hope springs eternal, as indeed it should, but in a field where there
is no case that has not proved to be a scam hope is best leavened
with due scepticism.
Posted several times before:
Eric Krieg lists 78 free energy scams here, doesn't seem to get into
the zero-point stuff and instant cold
Hi Keith
At the referenced website there are videos in operation. Unfortunately you
have to copy paste to access the video links. I know that you must go
through a ton of info daily so I will attempt to provide a few direct links
here:
Wes Moore wrote:
Hi Keith
snip
N.B. over unity and free energy are not the same. While the energy to
pump the lever is not considered free energy it can be considered over
unity just as a person with a car jack can use perhaps 20 lbs of force
to lift a 2 ton car. I agree with being
Hello Wes
Hi Keith
At the referenced website there are videos in operation.
Unfortunately you have to copy paste to access the video links. I
know that you must go through a ton of info daily so I will attempt
to provide a few direct links here:
Thanks, but the ton of info usually passes me
Perhaps not over-unit, the pendulum does seem to reduce input energy
by its very nature, and in the case of pumps or any device why not
take mechanical advantage of it? Lots of watches run indefinitely on
the simple motions of the wearers hand encouraging a pendulum. I
think there's room for its
Keith and Doug:
Some of the points you both have expressed I consider corrections to my
thinking. And it is appreciated. Re the car jack and lever/bate example I
had overlooked the distance of moving 2 tons . I am convinced but not
totally satisfied. I have been through this example before. My
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