I've read about using brine for the washing process and tried a couple test
batches with it yesterday. My biggest concern is that
some residual salt will be left over in the biodiesel somewhere. Even though
salt supposedly will not dissolve in biodiesel, some
could be attached to left-over
x-richKurt postulates:
Plus, wars of aggression don't usually result in the winning side
voluntarily and immediately giving the country back over to its
inhabitants; usually you fight an aggressive war to expand your own
borders.
First, you assume we're the winning side, and I'm sure there
ãAfter four years more in this office I want people to look back and say, ÎThe world is a more peaceful place,âä Mr. Bush told supporters at a community college in Iowa.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/20/politics/main630752.shtml
"No Child Left Behind"?
Civics Student...or Enemy of
Hello All,
I'm having difficulty
getting Phosphoric Acid. Can I use Hydrochloric Acid to separate the
Glycerine/FFA ? It will produce Sodium Chloride rather than Sodium Phosphate (I
use lye), but other than that, any objections?
Tom
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ãAfter four years more in this office I want people to look back and say, ÎThe world is a more peaceful place,âä Mr. Bush told supporters at a community college in Iowa.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/20/politics/main630752.shtml
"No Child
The crying shame is that he has plans to, if he doesn't sell it, Put a Chevy 350 in it and make it run again.
Idiot.
It was a beautiful car besides the engine and mildew on the seats. Oh well.
Peace
-KurtOn 10/30/05, Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
iff u examiane the seller
There was a biofuel email a while back about what happened to
the people who had invented inexpensive ways to get hydrogen
energy from water. I tried to find it in the JTF archives, but could
not. Does anyone know where to find it? I'd appreciate your help.
Thanks,
Marilyn
for a silver bullet plant or the widespread introduction of one that
is deemed better might choke out natural flora. Introduction of
Jatropha looks like it would have a rather high potential for doing
just that, since it grows in such a variety of soil conditions.
I just have to look outside
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On Oct 30, 2005, at 11:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There was a biofuel email a while back about what happened to
the people who had invented inexpensive ways to get hydrogen
energy from water.
If there IS an inexpensive energy source to extract H2 from H20, it
would be better to use
you can use the glycerine for other... shall we say nefarious purposes?
(Such as powering a turbine generator, or similiar combustive measures
to reuse your waste to feed the process... No I'm not stupid enough
to try and go the nitroglycerin route, though I fear for a coworker of
mine who has
i have heard about using something like algae for hydrogren production.
not sure what supplimental engery would be consumed maintaining the
algae. but it sounds interesting
On 10/31/2005, Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Oct 30, 2005, at 11:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First, you assume we're the winning side, and I'm sure there are thosethat will and can make a very good case we have NOT given the country
back to its inhabitants. That government is a flimsy sham and wecontinue to occupy that country.
Well, we're still in the country, we haven't retreated yet,
Keith,
Thanks for the reply. It truly frustrates me as it is so correct. I may
have missed something but at the end you stated
Methinks this is no longer a good survival model, there seem to be
several meteorites headed its way. Oh, sorry, I forgot, you don't get
meteorites on a Flat Earth
Dan,
Does anybody have experience using brine washed biodiesel, or
is it just a bad idea?
Only to crack some nasty emulsions. Our thoughts are that it could help
mask an incomplete reaction.
Todd Swearingen
I've read about using brine for the washing process and tried a couple test
And are you saying we should pull out now? That, sir, would be the most
irresponsible thing we could possibly do, bring all our troops home. We'd be
leaving a mess we created behind, without even trying to clean it up. More
people would die than are currently dying now, and the eventual
SODIUM CHLORIDE IS VERY TOXIC STAY AWAY. IT WILL
TURN INTO A YELLOW CLOUD. IF YOU SMELL IT IT'S TOO LATE FOR YOU. ABOUT 3 SECONDS
LATER YOU'LL STOP SMELLING IT AND SHOTLY AFTER YOU'LL DROP DEAD.
THAT'S WHY YOU SHOULD NEVER MIX CHEMICALS TRYING TO
GET A CLOGED SINK OPEN. I ONCE SAW SOMEONE
How about shall we not say nefarious purposes.
The salt will precipitate during the FFA recovery.
And glycerol is not going to be worth anything more as a fuel source
than is sugar. It's an alcohol that's as thick and as sweet as honey in
it's pure state. If you've seen sugar burn then you're
How about shall we not say nefarious purposes.
Ehh, it was a failed attempt at being humorous. I use that one all the
time at work. Sometimes it works, sometimes it falls on its face.
The salt will precipitate during the FFA recovery.And glycerol is not going to be worth anything more as a
Sodium chloride is table salt. Chlorine is the yellow gas you're
talking about I think. You can get it from sodium chloride by
electrolyzing saltwater, or mixing sodium hypochlorite with lye
aparrently, but it's not all that dangerous by itself.
On 10/30/05, logan vilas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"And are you saying we should pull out now? That, sir, would be the most irresponsible thing we could possibly do, bring all our troops home."That maybe true. However, fooling the country intoa fakecausus bellum is equally irresponsible, with the perpetrators benefitting from the above
I don't remember exactly where I first found this quote (either The Future
of Freedom Foundation - www.fff.org or www.LewRockwell.com). It was from
some speech or address that Teddy gave on April 19, 1906. It pops up on
several quote websites (search for roosevelt april 19 1906 or Behind the
- Original Message -
From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sodium chloride is table salt. Chlorine is the yellow gas you're
talking about I think. You can get it from sodium chloride by
electrolyzing saltwater, or mixing sodium hypochlorite with lye
aparrently, but it's not all
Table salt is NOT the same as chlorine gas. Why do you think it is?
On 10/30/05, Jason and Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sodium chloride is table salt. Chlorine is the yellow gas you're
talking about I think. You
Ooops. I had an indefinite pronoun in my last post, which implied
that I thought chlorine gas was not dangerous. I meant to say that,
unlike chlorine gas, sodium chloride is not dangerous. The last
sentence should have readYou can get chlorine gas from sodium
chloride by electrolyzing
Hello,
chlorine gas can be very dangerous and deadly if inhaled in
sufficient quantities.
You may have made some accidentally by mixing ammonia with bleach
or cleaning up cat urine with bleach. It is a yellowish green gas with a
pungent,
eye searing odour...not good
Clean-up underway after
OK Zeke,
you corrected yourself.
regards
tallex
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From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA
- Original Message -
From: Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:01 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] chlorine was Separating Glycerine/FFA
OK Zeke,
you corrected yourself.
regards
tallex
Mr. Yewdall, I apologize for the biting
What if there were flat electrodes for this, would
the ratings still be V/mm or would there have to be a consideration of surface
area? if the requirements were in V/mm^3 you could calculate an appropriate
voltage for a certain flow rate, and the processor could be compacted the same
way a
To announce that there must be
no criticism of the president... is morally treasonable to the American
public. Theodore
Roosevelt
He has been right so many
times before... too bad he's dead now, we need
him.
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Ammonia and bleach when combined and heated releases phosgene, once used
as a warfare chemical.
doug swanson
Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote:
Hello,
chlorine gas can be very dangerous and deadly if inhaled in
sufficient quantities.
You may have made some accidentally by mixing ammonia with bleach
Hello Jim,
Awareness is a good first step and you seem to have taken it. Keep reading and learning more. Then comes the application of what you learn. That´s kind of a personal choice. Begin with what you like. Expand from there. I like to take what most people think of as wastes and turn
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wrote:We are thinking of planting Jatropha Curcas trees using earthworms tocompost waste, the compost we get from the wormswe will use for the Jatropha trees.This URL has a very good article on jatropha's benefits as a fuel
and for other
The electric field strength should be proportional to just the linear
distance between electrodes. I believe the current needed to maintain
a given voltage differential would increase proportionally to the area
involved.
On 10/30/05, Jason and Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What if there were
I should read my emails more carefully to make sure they say what I
mean them to say in the future. Especially when I ended up implying
the direct opposet of what I meant.
Zeke
On 10/30/05, Jason and Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL
My mistake, I said sodium chloride without thinking, but I know mixing lye
with things that contain chlorine can and will for chlorine gas, I don't
know exactly what because I've never tried experimenting with it. Sorry for
the confusion.
Logan Vilas
Bio-Fuel Enterprises, Inc.
- Original
I have been making BD which is quite dark as well (compared to what you
get with new oil) I use more excess methanol than I need to(20% of oil
volume). I haven't got to the stage where I can tweak it down to just
enough excess to push the reaction to completion, I am still at the
sledgehammer
This is the most encouraging news I've heard in a while! I agree with
Malcom Kendall-Smith. And I agree with Keith's post about the court of
public opinion. I am one of those who has been relentlessly pounding
this concept into everyone I know. I have been saying for a long time
now,
Jason and Katie,
I believe the operational premise here is that the sodium chloride
(table salt) would settle out during a FFA recovery process, no
different than the manner in which potassium phosphate settles out when
using KOH as the catalyst and phosphoric acid in the FFA recovery.
It's
Heard good things about Canadian peacekeepers?
What about Somalia? A scared soldier with a gun is a scared soldier with a
gun.
Maybe the focus could be on how to stop the USA from invading countries in
the future. And stopping real atrocities like the use of depleted uranium
in shells. Your vets
Good Day To All,
I agree with Todd S.
"As for producing NaCl from any process? The
intent should be to steer processes away from creating waste products, not
creating more."
I now have 10, 5gal. containers of byproduct
in my shed, and more on the way.The only reasonably priced H3PO4 I
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Doug is the man! Thank goodness for people like you. Now if you and
all the others like you (and I know there must be a lot of them) could
just get
Hey Jason and Katie;
Does your friend have a website? I'm sure his broadcasts are out of my
listening range but I'm very interested in that kind of stuff. There
were some audio recordings as early as the late 1800's but I doubt you
will find a recording of that type from 1906. I wish.
Joe
one laboratory method would be to combine equimolar amounts of methyl
chloride (chloromethane by the iupac) with a nitrate salt.
Greg and April wrote:
Then how is NitoMethane made?
Greg H.
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From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sodium chloride isn't that bad. It's only a little worse than
hydrionic acid. I had some this morning with breakfast. I didn't drop
dead on my walk to work. Maybe it is st
wwwoorkinnngarg
logan vilas wrote:
SODIUM CHLORIDE IS VERY TOXIC STAY
AWAY. IT WILL TURN
On 10/31/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now if you and all
the others like you (and I know there must be a lot of them) could just get
together and grab the mic and shout it to the rest who are basically
sleeping something might really happen.
If only it were that easy, Joe. There
MikeJoe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doug is the man! Thank goodness for people like you. Now if you and all the others like you (and I know there must be a lot of them) could just get together and grab the mic and shout it to the rest who are basically sleeping something might really
Hi Jason;
Field strength is always specified as volts per distance, not volts per
area. If the reaction happens at the electrode surface which most
people would assume then the surface area will affect proportionately
the amount of ion exchange that is happening per unit time. My
experience
Hydrionic acid? Don't forget to watch out for di-hydrogen oxide. It
can easily cause death by asphixiation. If you get it on your skin,
it can cause hypothermia by rapidly increasing heat transfer, it
promotes mold and bacterial growth, and it's effect on automobiles in
the wintertime is a
Teoman, you really need at least a short course in organic chemistry.
It would answer most if not all of your questions. A little
understanding of organic chemistry can go a long way.
Teoman Naskali wrote:
Any known functional groups?
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From: [EMAIL
Hi Ken;
I share your frustration, -to the point of depression at times. That's
why I'm all over messages that offer hope. If it wasn't for those I
might not make it sometimes!
I grab the oportunity to remind people that the uphill battle is worth
fighting. It's as much for myself as for
Hi,all,
You won`t believe it,but up to now I found
EIGHTEENS separators and the offers are still coming!
The prices vary from $1000 to $4000 and the
manufacturers are different.If someone is interested,I
will ask how match is the cost of shipment.
Best
Rumen
Hi,all,
A friend of mine has good results with citric
acid,the glyc is as clear as water and high purity.
Best
Rumen
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Oops I meant Hydric acid but I know what you mean about the di-hydrogen
momoxide (DMHO) it really is a killer. I've heard the military keeps
huge tanks of it on reserve incase they ever need it one day, like in
an emergency situation I guess. Here is a link that has all the dirt
on DHMO
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi,all, You won`t believe it,but up to now I found
EIGHTEENS separators and the offers are still coming! The prices vary from $1000 to $4000 and themanufacturers are different.If someone is interested,Iwill ask how match is the cost of shipment.Best
Logan, I think you are talking about the ammonia/hypochlorous acid
reaction. It produces Nitrogen trichloride.
NH3 +3 HClO -- NCl(3) + 3H2O
combining lye and hypochlorous acid (chlorine bleach) doesn't produce
chlorine gas, only sodium hypochlorite.
NaOH + HClO -- NaClO + H2O
the
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
Sodium chloride is table salt. Chlorine is the yellow gas you're
talking about I think. You can get it from sodium chloride by
electrolyzing saltwater,
yes
or mixing sodium hypochlorite with lye
aparrently,
no
but it's not all that dangerous by itself.
On
several of you are confusing the nitrogen trichloride a volatile toxic
material, with chlorine an equally toxic material. The come from
different sources but both are bad stuff.
Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote:
Hello,
chlorine gas can be very dangerous and deadly if inhaled in
sufficient
des wrote:
Ammonia and bleach when combined and heated releases phosgene, once used
as a warfare chemical.
arrrg! no not phosgene (C0Cl2) its nitrogen trichloride
doug swanson
Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote:
Hello,
chlorine gas can be very dangerous and deadly if inhaled in
Appal Energy wrote:
Jason and Katie,
I believe the operational premise here is that the sodium chloride
(table salt) would settle out during a FFA recovery process, no
different than the manner in which potassium phosphate settles out when
using KOH as the catalyst and phosphoric acid
Is there any way to later extract the NaCl from the glycerine, so
that you can use the glycerine for other... shall we say nefarious
purposes? (Such as powering a turbine generator, or similiar
combustive measures to reuse your waste to feed the process... No
I'm not stupid enough to try and
Big thing that worries me about anything like this is that the
search for a silver bullet plant or the widespread introduction of
one that is deemed better might choke out natural flora.
Introduction of Jatropha looks like it would have a rather high
potential for doing just that, since it
Are Caustic Soda, Lye, and Sodium Hydroxide all the same thing? I called a
chemical supplier locally and he said he didn't sell Lye and I asked for
Caustic Soda and he had that. The bag says 100% Sodium Hydroxide. Would this
be acceptable to use for LYE?
more info at URL
Kirk
Sodium hydroxide (NaOH), also known as lye or caustic soda, is a caustic metallic base used in industry, mostly as a strong chemical base in the manufacture of paper, textiles, and detergents.
When pure, it's a white solid, available in pellets, flakes, granules, and also
Rob,
All are one in the same. They should appear as synonyms on a MSDS sheet.
Are Caustic Soda, Lye, and Sodium Hydroxide all the same thing? I called a
chemical supplier locally and he said he didn't sell Lye and I asked for
Caustic Soda and he had that. The bag says 100% Sodium Hydroxide.
Thomas,
Sodium sulfate may have some additive property for soils, as many
benefit from additional sulfur. On the other hand, it's not as
universal a fertilizer as potassium phosphate.
As for glycerin (glass) soap? You may wish to take a look at the
enormous heat and alcohol inputs (energy
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