Oops, I think I'm about to rant, and it's gonna be long.
my comments interspersed between two different writers' posts:
thor:
And homebrewers/small producers, IMO need
to organize to present a coherent voice. Its
unrealistic to expect the NBB to treat with hundreds
of independent
Todd,
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The main reason to ask for the emission testing results are a worried
government. WVO from restaurants always contains some animal fat. Some
restaurants fry
Hi Mark
Jolly good rant, thankyou! :-)
Yes, yes, and also yes - very good points you make. I'm grateful for
the useful distinction between homebrewers and small producers. We're
perhaps a bit too used to thinking of them as the same people, as
they used to be mostly I guess, and many still
Hello Frank
Their concern is a bit amusing, considering all the dead animals
dumped in landfills, burnt in incinerators and so on. Nonetheless,
they're right to be concerned.
This study was done to address the problem of tallow disposal from
BSE animals - it's about biodiesel rather than
Hi;
I agree with the emphasis on third world empowerment.
As things stand now small bio diesel producers can
make some headway (ie money) due to a surplus of raw
fuel stocks ie. WVO.
Once bio diesel becomes competitive and/or necessary,
free or inexpensive fuel stocks will vanish. The
owners
Hello;
Good point about third world...
I can see the time when bio diesel will be marketed as
a 'super' fuel and will priced accordingly--simple
marketing dynamics. The only ones who will be able to
afford it will be the very poor through aid programs
or the well-to-do.
I base this on my
I truly appreciate the great effort of Thor and many others in providing sound
suggestions on how to improve the relationship between small producers, the NBB
and the commercial side of the industry. I have been funneling these to
individuals in the industry and NBB whom I think are most
Keith,
Great post. You have my brain working.
Thanks for reminding me about the NBBs focus on
fleets. I had forgotten that. However, I dont
necessarily agree that small-scale producers are going
to eschew fleets.
But first, I think I may be tripping up on
definitions. Where, really,
Mark,
Well, my post certain punched a lot of your buttons.
I appreciate your taking the time to reply so
passionately.
As should be obvious by now, I am not familiar with
the homebrewing community beyond the few individuals I
know regionally who make BD and my own as yet
unrealized pretensions
The problems of quality of homebrew or commercial for that matter
never seem to go away. As much as I would like to pretend that our
bio is perfect, I want to share the latest of ours problems with the
group in the hope that some one may benefit. I got a call that the
fuel from the storage
Thor, as far as straw men go, I wasn't just replying to your post, there's
been a lot of this kind of talk lately. I am very interested in seeing more
face to face, local connections in the homebrewer community, but would be
very suspicious of any situation where an organization would be
Hello;
Good point about third world...
I can see the time when bio diesel will be marketed as
a 'super' fuel and will priced accordingly--simple
marketing dynamics. The only ones who will be able to
afford it will be the very poor through aid programs
or the well-to-do.
I base this on my
I truly appreciate the great effort of Thor and many others in
providing sound suggestions on how to improve the relationship
between small producers, the NBB and the commercial side of the
industry. I have been funneling these to individuals in the
industry and NBB whom I think are most
[Cross-post from the Biofuel list.]
(Dammit, I seem to have tied my arms in a knot at the elbows... - Keith)
All the discussions about bio fuel business, inspired me to write the
following piece for publishing on our web site. This is an early draft and
I thought that the members of this list
This brings up a question I';ve had for a while-
are there other acids besides ffa, that are not water-soluble and are found
in oils?
We had some particularly terrible oil that titrated at 13 ml, and I just
couldn't bring myself to believe that it was ffa causing the high values in
the
I know a local grad student who is as obsessed with methane digesters as I
am with biodiesel. ('cept that he's getting whatever grad students get in
financial aid for it and I rarely get anything and my topic of interest is
simpler).his name is Karl Hartmann at UC Davis in the agricultural
Oops, I think I'm about to rant, and it's gonna be long.
my comments interspersed between two different writers' posts:
thor:
And homebrewers/small producers, IMO need
to organize to present a coherent voice. Its
unrealistic to expect the NBB to treat with hundreds
of independent
I wonder if anyone would like to make comment on the following...
Direct Democracy
Teledemocracy ö E-Democracy
Our present brand of ÎRepresentativeâ democracy
has failed the environment and will continue to fail it if the
system
Hi everybody,
I'm a M.Sc. student from Thailand. Now I'm preparing to study abroad for
Ph.D. program, but I still don't know which university I should to apply. My
research interest focus on plant biomass conversion to produce ethanol as
transportation fuel. I use fermentation process to
When using WVO this will depend, as Ken suggested, on the quantity of animal
fat in your collected oil. Let the WVO settle into 2 layers and only use the
top, translucent layer. The bottom layer will be mostly animal fat with a
small amount of free fatty acid and is only useful for heating and
Hello James
We're the first generation with the means to become the imperative voice
of reason.
I dunno, the community-at-large could always mosey on down to parly
or congress or whatever and reason with the buggers with a club, LOL!
And then take over and do just the same, or worse. :-(
I
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see your point Motie, but I do think you're being a bit one-
sided.
I must admit to that possability. I've been sampling a bit of 'Lawn
mower fuel' that came out particularly well.
I think you can assign blame in three
Hi Mark
Jolly good rant, thankyou! :-)
Yes, yes, and also yes - very good points you make. I'm grateful for
the useful distinction between homebrewers and small producers. We're
perhaps a bit too used to thinking of them as the same people, as
they used to be mostly I guess, and many still
we skim the top layer off, siphon down to about 3 or 4 inches from the
bottom of the barrel. really depends on the source and how long ago they
completely emptied the barrel. we use an electric pump with a filter on the
siphon end, that prevents us from picking up gunk.
Steve Spence
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Interesting.
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 02:07:16 +
From: Bill Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Homestead mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ethanol From Roots
Lately I've been growing kefir culture on inulin-containing roots like
yacon, with the goal of producing distilled ethanol.
Kefir could
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if anyone would like to make comment on the following...
Direct Democracy
There is no way I will ever support Mob Rule, over Rule of Law.
Short and Simple answer.
Motie
Actually, what I meant was the old fashioned, small operation that used
horse or mule power to move 1 tree at a time, so no big trucks need
anywhere near the cottage. Compost toilets are code. There are now
office buildings in big cities that use them, so no septic system
needed. In most
I am beginning to think that the reason Americans accept rape and
pillage of other countries, is that so many of them work for large
corporations where the CEOs and other swinging dicks rape and pillage
the companies and the working man gets squat. I guess if you live with
it, on a daily
I agree with your analysis. It's unlikely to ...
Phew! That's a relief. (seriously)
J
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..the interests that make the big
campaign donations. Any signs of these
two campaigns combining their efforts? Teledemocracy and
campaign
finance reform? Perthaps they should.
cfr would be a good platform. We'd need someone to to prepare a
blueprint for the operation. Not me. Out
Hello;
Good point about third world...
I can see the time when bio diesel will be marketed as a 'super' fuel
and will priced accordingly--simple marketing dynamics. The only ones
who will be able to afford it will be the very poor through aid
programs or the well-to-do.
I base this on my
I need a heavy duty electrical pump for sucking up badly contaminated WVO.
My old one just collapsed. Any suggestions?
John Venema
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I see a lot of those things on ebay. Are you talking about 12V or 120V?
---
Jesse Parris | studio53 | 53 maitland rd | stamford, ct 06906
203.324.4371www.jesseparris.com/
- Original Message -
From: John
Thanks to all for the input. Lots to read up on.
BTW, one obstacle to overcome for this particular producer is
insurance on the generating engines. They tend to have strict
clauses about fuel sources for their engines (whether or not the fuel
actually meets any standards level).
All this
The problem with that system would be ... who would be the system
administrator of such a system???
The Admin would have almost Godlike powers since, being in charge of
how votes are processes, would be able to make anyone he chooses ... win
the elections. And then later, through the media
Begin forwarded message:
From: Edward Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 10:35:40 AM America/Vancouver
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] electrical pump
We have one listed on our site that is 12 or 24V and can be used for
heavy oils. There is a screen on
Hey wait, this is starting to remind men of the BD BIG/small producers
;-)
BTW, sustainable small logging operations are awesome! I applaude them.
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, motie_d wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see your point Motie, but I do
Hello John
I would suggest an used engine oil pump from a junk yard, some of them
comes with a coarse filter, over it if you wish, you could add a metalic
mesh in front of it and an electrical drill to drive the pump.
Regards
Juan
You wrote:
I need a heavy duty electrical pump for sucking
ah, unless it's an embedded system . ;)
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, csakima wrote:
The problem with that system would be ... who would be the system
administrator of such a system???
The Admin would have almost Godlike powers since, being in charge of
how votes are processes, would be
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, what I meant was the old fashioned, small operation that
used
horse or mule power to move 1 tree at a time, so no big trucks
need
anywhere near the cottage. Compost toilets are code. There are
now
office
and there is this:
http://www.pumps-ez.com/pumps/0056064_0056064_1.html
the list seems extensive.
James Slayden
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Juan Boveda wrote:
Hello John
I would suggest an used engine oil pump from a junk yard, some of them
comes with a coarse filter, over it if you wish, you
There should be some test of minimal mental competence before people can
vote and those who do not know the difference between a mob and a society
of responsible citizens would fail the test.
POC
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, motie_d wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I
milliontc writes:
I wonder if anyone would like to make comment on the
following... Direct Democracy
I think direct democracy is a terrible idea. People are already too
poorly informed to vote knowledgeably on the 10 or so ballot
initiatives we have every election here in
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There should be some test of minimal mental competence before
people can
vote and those who do not know the difference between a mob and a
society
of responsible citizens would fail the test.
POC
Perhaps you can
The Swiss have had direct democracy for over 100 years and only have about
3 referenda per year though they can have as many as they want.
Responsible democratic citizens are not so stupid as to change the laws
every day.
POC
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, motie_d wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Party
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Swiss have had direct democracy for over 100 years and only
have about
3 referenda per year though they can have as many as they want.
Responsible democratic citizens are not so stupid as to change the
laws
every day.
Not to be patranizing or anything, but, why don't you provide your own?
Alot of people in the U.S. do. All Swiss able bodied males are expected to
serve in the armed forces for a time and from then on are reserve. They are
still expected to drill and practice every so often with thoes rifles.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Swiss have had direct democracy for over 100 years and only
have about
3 referenda per year though they can have as many as they want.
Responsible democratic citizens are not so stupid as to change the
laws
every
All the discussions about bio fuel business, inspired me to write the
following piece for publishing on our web site. This is an early draft and
I thought that the members of this list are the best ones for getting
feedback.
Hakan
Possibilities of bio fuel business organization.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not to be patranizing or anything, but, why don't you provide your
own?
Alot of people in the U.S. do. All Swiss able bodied males are
expected to
serve in the armed forces for a time and from then on are reserve.
They are
Martin's archives is back online again, as he promised.
Thanks Martin!
Keith
Martin's having problems with the nnytech.net archive server, down
till Tuesday.
So, sorry to say, until then it's back to the horrors of Yahoo if you
need archive material. Or wait till Tuesday! (MUCH better
Thor, as far as straw men go, I wasn't just replying to your post, there's
been a lot of this kind of talk lately. I am very interested in seeing more
face to face, local connections in the homebrewer community, but would be
very suspicious of any situation where an organization would be
I have a Teel fryer filter pump from Grainger, and I think it's
Grainger model number
7P098 .
It's pricey at $200, but it's been totally bulletproof- it's self-priming
and can be run dry, and handles grease well as that's what it's designed
for. It's a little bit slow (4 gpm, rated in oil at
milliontc writes:
I wonder if anyone would like to make comment on the
following... Direct Democracy
I think direct democracy is a terrible idea. People are already too
poorly informed to vote knowledgeably on the 10 or so ballot
initiatives we have every election here in
girl mark,
I looked at the pump at Grainger. They also sell the head (pump) separate
from the motor, so if one already had a motor... What is the RPMs on the you
have?
---
Jesse Parris | studio53 | 53 maitland rd |
I truly appreciate the great effort of Thor and many others in
providing sound suggestions on how to improve the relationship
between small producers, the NBB and the commercial side of the
industry. I have been funneling these to individuals in the
industry and NBB whom I think are most
[Cross-post from the Biofuels-biz list.]
Mark,
Well, my post certain punched a lot of your buttons.
I appreciate your taking the time to reply so
passionately.
As should be obvious by now, I am not familiar with
the homebrewing community beyond the few individuals I
know regionally who make BD
[Cross-post from the Biofuels-biz list.]
Keith,
Great post. You have my brain working.
Thanks for reminding me about the NBBs focus on
fleets. I had forgotten that. However, I dont
necessarily agree that small-scale producers are going
to eschew fleets.
But first, I think I may be
The only problem with this pump is that it's an odd positive-mount pump.
The pump is coupled to the motor shaft by way of a unique clamp and the
shafts of both the motor and the pump head are slotted and fit together via
a brass key. This means it won't just fit on any old salvage motor,
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry, Motie, but trust an American to see the whole complicated
Swiss set-up in terms of guns, first and foremost. The Swiss
certainly don't see it that way. I believe most Swiss would see
your
comment on their
Someone wrote:
Loggers and professional Foresters KNOW what they are doing.
The 'Environmentalists' may have the best of intentions, but are near-
totally ignorant about the issues involved.
--
Thanks so much for that enlightening comment. Whew! At long last, the
environment is saved! It's
This brings up a question I';ve had for a while-
are there other acids besides ffa, that are not water-soluble and are found
in oils?
We had some particularly terrible oil that titrated at 13 ml, and I just
couldn't bring myself to believe that it was ffa causing the high values in
the
ok Im debating some issues within my self. You know trying to do
the right thing in a small way.. but being logical in the
process.
I plan to run my vehicles(s) on Veg oil that is cut/thinned by
? I can't decide what to cut/thin it with. If I choose
diesel fuel am I making
Am I correct in understanding Kerosene is a product derived from
nautral sources? That makes it a biomass fuel right? Is the way it
is made capable of being farmed etc. simular to growing crops that
can be presseed into vegitable oils?
If sooo.. why are we not pushing Kerosene use?
Does it
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