[biofuels-biz] 30 gallons of methanol for sale $75.00

2003-07-11 Thread Brian Mitchell

I have 30 gallons of Methanol that I need to get rid of.  My landlord got wind 
of its presence and its gotta go.  I have been using it to make biodiesel.  It 
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Re: [biofuels-biz] The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work.

2003-07-11 Thread Michael Allen

Murdoch,

There have been several ideas put forward over the years to indicate that 
if space is composed of anything, it is rarefied hydrogen and maybe 
helium. Deep space is basically, (I am told), made up of hydrogen atoms at 
a variable density but typically individual molecules at about 100 mm (4) 
apart. There was a proposal to make a deep-space vehicle propelled on the 
ram-jet principle to scoop these up, heat them in a fusion reactor and 
chuck them out the back. I'm pretty sure NASA published details of the 
proposal some 20 years ago.

It also seems generally agreed that the sun, like other stars, keeps going 
by fission of hydrogen to helium (and higher elements too). Because of its 
large gravity, hydrogen from the space around the sun would be attracted to 
the sun. As it happens, both hydrogen and helium have thermal molecular 
velocities above the escape velocity of Earth but not (I am told) of 
Jupiter, Saturn and perhaps Neptune. Perhaps there are puddles of the stuff 
out there at the bottom of a very serious gravity-well.

But I do know from personal experience that keeping hydrogen confined on 
Planet Earth is bloody difficult and quite dangerous!

Incidentally, re your 1 in 10, has any professional scientist or engineer 
at any of the US space agencies ever gone on record to say hydrogen *does 
not* leave our atmosphere in the general direction of up?

Regards

Michael Allen
Thailand


 Interesting responses, thx.

 On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:19:53 +0700, you wrote:

 Sorry Murdoch,

 Didn't realise you had some questions in here.

 I forget what the escape velocity is for Planet Earth. But I know that 
 normal hydrogen molecules exceed it. That is why free hydrogen does not 
 exist in our planet's atmosphere. Like free water on the moon, it just 
 keeps going.

 But you have a point: I would imagine that some hydrogen reacts with 
 oxygen and ozone along the way. And perhaps with nitrogen too if the 
 circumstances are right. I can't give you details because upper 
 atmospheric chemistry and physics is above and beyond me :-.

 Actually, over the years, I have been on the side of trying to claim that 
 some
 significant amounts of Hydrogen may escape Earth's atmosphere when 
 chemically
 liberated, but I have usually been met with skepticism at best, shouting- 
 down by
 professional scientists at worst.  Your agreeing with the overall idea 
 of this
 is maybe a 1 in 5 or 10 type of response.


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Re: [biofuels-biz] Coconut Crazy

2003-07-11 Thread Michael Allen

Hi Ed,

I think Keith has put the paper which describes this work on 
journeytoforever (reference not to hand)

Engines were started and run on petrodiesel for ten minutes to bring up the 
temperature of the SVO. Then the fuel supply was switched over for the 
continuous 3000 hour run. SVO temperatures varied due to heat losses from 
the tank at night but the maximum achieved was 80C. The fuel tank was 
painted red and was not positioned in the sun-light.

The same equipment was used for the tests with crude palm oil (CPO) and 
similar temperatures were achieved. The fuel filter and water separation 
unit showed that the temperature at which the fuel was delivered to the 
injectors was much lower however: After a cool night, the contents would be 
cloudy. Night time temperatures around here are about 25C. As I explained 
before, this was not my work and I was really only a spectator (and editor 
of the paper!). More specific details are available in the paper and you 
can contact the author directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED].

Refining involves removal of the FFA as soap with NaOH, treatment with 
phosphoric acid to phosphorylate the gums, the addition of bentonite 
(Fuller's earth) and filtration to produce a food-grade palm-oil.

Regards

Michael Allen
Thailand
 On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:21:42 -0700, Neoteric Biofuels Inc 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Michael:
 In regard to:

 Incidentally, there is no great secret in the Neoterics claim: You can 
 run
 diesel engines directly on refined coconut oil just as you can on 
 refined
 palm-oil: You just have to melt and pre-heat the oil! We have done this 
 by
 passing the exhaust pipe up through the fuel tank but, being in the
 tropics, we do have a head-start: the air temperature is about 32C so 
 our
 oils are liquid. The challenge has been to use unrefined palm-oil which 
 is
 about one tenth the price of the refined stuff. The research of my
 colleagues here shows that while refined oil will run over 3000 hours 
 in
 this system, unrefined oil cooks the engine within 500 hours. I keep 
 asking
 them to write this up but I think there is a reluctance to publish 
 negative
 results!

 I think you sent info on this in the past to myself and others, and as I 
 recall, this was done as a single-tank test? Also do you know how hot the 
 oil was at the injection pump?

 Two-tank, and adequate heating (70C+) might have helped with the 
 unrefined oil test results.

 BTW, what was involved in refining in this test?

 Thanks, and best regards,

 Edward




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Re: [biofuels-biz] Coconut Crazy

2003-07-11 Thread Michael Allen

Thanks Samai . . . .  I think! :-/

I haven't read the paper to which you refer. Perhaps I should read a copy 
before I venture an opinion.

Regards

Michael

On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:26:31 +0100 (BST), Sam Jai-In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Hi Group Members,
 A ferry fleet operator has used coconut oil instead of
 diesel for the past three years on Samui Island. This
 is another example of successful SVO story.

 I read a paper on the emissions bebefits of biodiesel
 published by EPA, they showed a result that if we use
 saturated fatty acid feedstocks eg. animal fats, we
 will get higher reduction of PM. Coconut-based
 biodiesel would probably give similar advantages,
 Micheal : Please comment on this.

 Samai

 --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello Michael, Bruce

 Dear Bruce,
 
 We can take this correspondence off-line if you
 prefer. All you have to do
 is reply to my personal e-mail address. (I'm not
 sure how interesting
 coconut oil is to those folk wrestling with the US
 bureaucracy anyway!)

 Please don't take it off-line, there's widespread
 interest in coconut oil and the more information is available and
 publicly shared the better - such discussions do much more good in the
 archives and accessible to all than hidden away on a couple of
 people's hard disks.

 Incidentally, there is no great secret in the
 Neoterics claim: You can run
 diesel engines directly on refined coconut oil just
 as you can on refined
 palm-oil: You just have to melt and pre-heat the
 oil! We have done this by
 passing the exhaust pipe up through the fuel tank
 but, being in the
 tropics, we do have a head-start: the air
 temperature is about 32C so our
 oils are liquid. The challenge has been to use
 unrefined palm-oil which is
 about one tenth the price of the refined stuff. The
 research of my
 colleagues here shows that while refined oil will
 run over 3000 hours in
 this system, unrefined oil cooks the engine within
 500 hours. I keep asking
 them to write this up but I think there is a
 reluctance to publish negative
 results!
  My recollection of the medicinal properties of
 coconut milk is that
 quenching your thirst on it leads to the world
 falling out of your bottom .
 . . . . I have, however, been told that is high in
 potassium and can
 actually settle the guts after a bad attack of
 Tropical Squits . . .
 
 I have worked on using coconut shells and coir to
 fuel. The problem is that
 a simple steam turbine running on the Rankine cycle
 can only muster about
 40% conversion of the fuel into useful work, the
 rest is discarded to the
 environment. Co-generation is possible if you have
 a use for lots of tepid
 water. But generally in the tropics, there is an
 abundance of this stuff!
 Why it even falls out of the sky!
 
 I did design a coconut-shell fuelled heater for
 drying bananas in Tonga
 many years ago. This was to help a health food
 company which had
 effectively been attacked by a Peace Corp worker!
 He had insisted that they
 use solar energy to dry the bananas in an
 inflatable building! Sadly the
 air flow over the bananas was negligible and the
 intermittant electricity
 supply caused the building to collapse onto the
 mouldy bananas anyway. This
 was my initiation into inappropriate technology
 foisted onto developing
 countries by poorly-educated westerners who carry
 absolutely no
 responsibility for the outcome! Even a cursory
 glance at the met data would
 have shown that Nuku'alofa is frequently overcast
 and that it can be cool
 enough that pullovers are worn. And anyone in the
 street could have told
 him about the frequent electrical black-outs. But
 hey! that was a lot of
 years ago . . .  Things have changed . . . .
 have'nt they ?

 :-) Nope, they haven't changed. But, now as then,
 there are people who do excellent work, many of them (like you do
 Michael). But then there are the others... Hard to know what to do
 about them - they're full of good intentions which all too often end up
 paving the road to hell, as it is written, but other people's hells,
 not theirs, and by the time that happens they're long gone and seldom
 learn of it. Of course I can help, I've got a Western education!
 Uh-huh... How to sustain the goodwill and good intent but channel it
 towards a more constructive outcome?

 http://journeytoforever.org/rural.html
 Rural development - If it's not broken, don't fix it
 - Fixing what's broken

 http://journeytoforever.org/community.html
 Community development

 http://journeytoforever.org/community2.html
 Community development - poverty and hunger

 Someone on another list just wrote this:

 IMO, and many others, an essential component in
 technology transfer is
 PARTICIPATION (Yes, in capitals) And participate is
 to be part of, to share.
 Only equals participate, non-equals only  help or
 adhere or accept.
 Yea, verily... but it's difficult for Westerners not
 to be patronizing. Difficult but not impossible.

 regards

 Keith

 Let me know, on-line 

Re: [biofuels-biz] The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work.

2003-07-11 Thread murdoch

Incidentally, re your 1 in 10, has any professional scientist or engineer 
at any of the US space agencies ever gone on record to say hydrogen *does 
not* leave our atmosphere in the general direction of up?

Regards

Michael Allen
Thailand

Not that I can think of.  

I haven't spoken with them directly (to my knowledge sometimes they are
around but don't id themselves) though I did call a UCSD researcher once, just
to try to give myself some better background on H2 in general.  He was answering
my questions from out of the blue and kept emphasizing the danger of H2
handling.  He felt that, in and of itself, this reason probably precluded an H2
economy.  He was not responsive to my concerns about atmospheric hydrogen
depletion, nor is anyone else usually.  But that was just one researcher
(Chemistry I think, but with some aspect of Earth Science) answering questions
from out of the blue.

There was one knowledgeable person on the biofuel discussion board who was not
outright dismissive once I explained what I was getting at.  More often than
not, folks assume that since they conceive of H2 as reacting with anything at
all times, that no H2 could possible leave the atmosphere because it will react
with something before it leaves.  Sometimes this view is mitigated.  

My own concern is that, if we liberate globally massive amounts of Hydrogen in
processes that were heretofore not going on, then we might see net
Earth-System-Mass-depletion and H2 depletion.  While this seems like an offbeat
concern, I've just been keeping my eye open to see if there's any validity to
it.  I first heard the question raised on an NPR show about H2, a couple of
years ago.  The person who raised it turns out to have been right on the money
as to Hydrogen escaping its confinement, regularly, and I wonder if they were
right in their depletion concerns.

It's hard to ask about when it's usually dismissed out of hand without decent
reasoning.  Also, they often say that H2 is added to the Earth every day so
what's the big deal? or something like that.  But no, I haven't taken anything
to NASA.

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Re: [biofuels-biz] Power plant uses coal, grass

2003-07-11 Thread James Slayden

There was a pilot project several years back that was in a midwestern
state with good emission reductions.  There also is a company that makes
switchgrsss pellets for pellet stoves, just can't find it now.

James Slayden

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, murdoch wrote:

 http://www.augustachronicle.com/stories/070603/met_energy3.shtml
 
 Interesting comments about switchgrass, project results.  Also, the
 comments of
 the International Paper person were interesting to me.
 
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[biofuels-biz] some perspective on natural gas pricing

2003-07-11 Thread murdoch

http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/NG/M

I wonder if the farms of America and the world, and others who handle bio-goods,
could start to produce natural-gas-like commodities for sale into this rising
price problem, if the problem does materialize as is being predicted by such as
Greeenspan.

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[biofuels-biz] Hydrogen and Asia's richest businessman Li Ka-shing

2003-07-11 Thread murdoch

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/030711/autos_hongkong_hydrogen_1.html

I was perusing headlines for HHO.TO (on yahoo, hho at tse.com, srnyf nasdaq
pinksheet equivalent?... these equivalents are a pain for Toronto and foreign
stocks, but it's all-you-get if you want to buy, usually) in which 12.5% is
apparently controlled by a rich Asian Businessman.  HHO.TO has some established
expertise in making and storing hydrogen.

This story calls Li Ka-shing Asia's richest businessman.  That's pretty rich,
although I don't know the veracity.  It is two or three years ago that I noticed
this stake he took in hho.to, and, for better or worse, he seems determined to
push ahead with his view of Hydrogen having a big future.

I called HHO.TO a year or two ago and just chatted with them for awhile.  They
seemed convinced that they had high efficiency and well-put-together technology,
and they seemed to want to say that they'd been doing the Hydrogen thing longer
than the Johnny-come-latelies.  I think they said they were a private (family?)
business for many decades, but that they were only now bringing their expertise
out as a publicly traded company (why the change in business structure, I'm not
sure).  I haven't looked further into refining my impressions of them.  At the
time I don't think they were part of ch2bc.org, but now I think they are.  At
the time, I do think I suggested this to them.  CH2BC.org does seem to be sort
of a big deal in the Hydrogen movement.

MM

 
 
 

Reuters
CORRECTED - CORRECTED-Cheung Kong to launch hydrogen-powered bus
Friday July 11, 7:15 am ET 

 
A corrected story follows:

HONG KONG, July 11 (Reuters) - Cheung Kong Infrastructure Holdings Ltd
(HKSE:1038.HK - News), controlled by Asia's richest businessman Li Ka-shing,
will launch an experimental hydrogen-powered bus in Hong Kong by the end of the
year, the company said on Friday.

Hoping to capitalise on the power-hungry Chinese market, Cheung Kong (CKI) will
spend HK$15 million (US$1.9 million) on the one-year experiment and said Hong
Kong could become the base for much wider use of hydrogen as a primary energy
source.

Hydrogen is the second industrial revolution, said Barrie Cook, executive
director of Cheung Kong Infrastructure and a member of Hong Kong's
sustainability committee.

The 41-seat Ford bus will store hydrogen in a rooftop tank.

CKI will conduct the experiment with Toronto based Stuart Energy Systems
(Toronto:HHO.TO - News), in which it owns a 12.5 percent stake.

But while analysts say hydrogen has some future potential, it remains very much
a niche source of power.

Everyone talks about the hydrogen future but it's at least a decade away, said
Mark Hutchinson, an energy consultant with Cambridge Associates in Thailand.

Cost, he said, is the major factor limiting widespread use of alternative
energy. Japanese carmakers Honda Motor Co (Tokyo:7267.T - News) and Toyota Motor
Corp (Tokyo:7203.T - News), for example, have developed hydrogen powered cars,
but they cost at least $1 million each.

Cheung Kong's Cook, however, says the experiment could lead to the commercial
launch of hydrogen projects in Hong Kong by the end of 2004. He expects that
costs will drop dramatically.

Shares in Cheung Kong Infrastructure closed 1.88 percent lower on Friday at
HK$15.65. The stock has rallied 23.5 percent in the past year. 



 


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[biofuels-biz] More Deals to Solidy U.S. dependence on Middle-East Non-Renewables

2003-07-11 Thread murdoch

Heck, it's not as though there are any domestically available alternatives, like
making methane here in the states in any manner of ways including but not
limited to bioproduction, also as primary sources we have solar (wouldn't want
to besmirch the beauty of those millions of waste desert acres in the American
Southwest), wind, wave, geothermal, we have biofuel and electric vehicles to use
those primary sources, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.  Nah, we can't have
any of that.  

Best to focus only on importing more fossil fuels and whining that we need to
drill for more of them here and develop nuclear energy, and to ignore any other
alternatives, as though history will forgive us for this act of ignoring the
alternatives.  

The greatest weapon of our opponents, and the shame they will find to be most
lingering and historic, is the silence they bring to the topics we need to hear
discussed.


http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/030711/energy_conocco_lng_1.html

Reuters
Qatar, ConocoPhillips confirm U.S. LNG deal
Friday July 11, 4:55 pm ET 


SAN FRANCISCO, July 11 (Reuters) - Qatar and U.S. oil company ConocoPhillips
(NYSE:COP - News) on Friday confirmed, as expected, an agreement that will send
liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the Gulf nation to the United States by the end
of the decade.
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Under a memorandum of understanding announced in Washington, Qatar and
ConocoPhillips will examine a long-term deal under which the Gulf nation will
supply 7.5 million tonnes of LNG a year starting around 2008-2009,
ConocoPhillips said in a statement.

According to the plans, reported Thursday by Reuters, an LNG terminal built in
the Gulf nation by Qatar and ConocoPhillips would supply the U.S. market over 25
years with about 1 billion 1.2 cubic cubic feet of gas a day.

Several projects have been announced recently to boost LNG deliveries to the
United States, where dwindling domestic gas supplies and steep demand from power
plants have triggered warnings by federal officials of the need to boost gas
imports to tame gas prices that are nearly twice their year-ago levels.

ConocoPhillips will buy the LNG and be responsible for regasifying and marketing
the fuel in the United States.

On Thursday, Faisal al-Suwaidi, vice-chairman of Qatar Liquefied Gas Co. Ltd.,
told Reuters LNG would be delivered to the U.S. Gulf of Mexico, home to one
existing LNG terminal and where several onshore and offshore terminals have been
proposed.

Qatar is already one of the biggest LNG suppliers to the United States and is a
major exporter to Asia. 





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[biofuels-biz] Extreme Threat To Class Action Lawsuits

2003-07-11 Thread Keith Addison

Extreme Threat To Class Action Lawsuits

Rachel's Environment  Health News #768

July 10, 2003: Sometime during July, right-wing extremists in 
Congress expect to achieve another major milestone in their radical 
revamping of the U.S. court system. If they attain their goal, 
successful environmental class-action lawsuits will become as rare as 
Dodo birds.

Class action lawsuits are the only effective remedy when large 
numbers of people are harmed but each person sustains relatively 
small damages, making individual lawsuits inefficient or impossible.

An example would be the current lawsuit being pursued by 6000 
residents of Louisiana who say that a Mobil Oil refinery discharged 
3.4 million gallons of untreated industrial wastes that contaminated 
their drinking water. No individual plaintiff could take on Mobil 
alone, but the total damage may be large, so a class action is the 
right vehicle for pursuing a remedy.

Class action suits are an essential component of a balanced legal 
system that is supposed to provide a check on the misdeeds of the 
powerful, such as oil corporations, by raising the threat of 
substantial financial penalties.

With large numbers of right-wing extremists now sitting in Congress, 
corporations see an opportunity to derail class actions. So the 
elected representatives of the insurance, medical, chemical, oil, and 
automobile corporations are pushing a new law intended to stifle 
class actions. The proposed Class Action Fairness Act has already 
passed the U.S. House of Representatives (H.R. 2115) and is expected 
to come up for a U.S. Senate vote (S. 274) during July.

If the proposed law passes, it will severely restrict, if not totally 
derail, class-action lawsuits on behalf of the environment, workers, 
consumers, and civil rights plaintiffs such as people of color, 
people with disabilities, and women.

Few in the environmental community have been paying attention as this 
bill has made its way through the legislative process. Corporations, 
on the other hand, know exactly what's at stake and they have poured 
money and resources into this fight.

At last count, corporations had 475 paid lobbyists working to push 
this bill through the Senate -- nearly five corporate lobbyists for 
each U.S. senator. The insurance industry alone has 139 lobbyists 
promoting the bill. Health maintenance organizations have 59 
lobbyists pressing their case; banks and consumer credit corporations 
have 39; automobile corporations have 32; the chemical industry has 
20 and the oil corporations have another 19. If this proposed law 
didn't matter, would corporations field such an army?

To inform yourself about this proposed law, you can check with Public 
Citizen at
http://www.citizen.org/congress/civjus/class_action/articles.cf 
m?ID=9320. For details, you can read their 95-page report, 
Unfairness Incorporated: The Corporate Campaign Against Consumer 
Class Actions (June, 2003), available at 
http://www.citizen.org/congress/civjus/class_action/articles.cf 
m?ID=9846 .

You can also learn about the proposed law from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce at
http://www.uschamber.com/Search/SearchResults.asp?ct=USCCq1=cl 
ass+action+fairness+act .

If you decided you wanted to weigh in on this issue, you could call 
both of your U.S. senators and give them an earful. (To find your 
senators and their phone numbers, go to http://www.senate.gov/ .) 
Proponents of the bill reportedly have at least 55 senate votes in 
the bag already, so the only way to stop this juggernaut would be a 
filibuster. (Extremists in Congress are working to revise the 
filibuster rule, too.)

Essentially the proposed law moves all class action lawsuits out of 
state courts and into federal courts, which are already clogged and 
fraught with delays, and where the rules and most of the the judges 
are biased against environmental, labor, consumer and civil rights 
plaintiffs such as women, people of color and people with 
disabilities. Much of the federal court system is now grossly 
pro-corporate, often to an extreme degree. This is no accident.

Making the courts friendly to corporations has been high on the 
agenda of the right wing for 30 years. The reason is simple: there 
are only about 900 federal judges. They are appointed by the 
President, not elected. The Senate must approve their appointment but 
by gentleman's agreement it is rare for the Senate to veto a 
judicial appointment.

Federal judges serve for life, so once they are appointed they become 
unstoppable. They also have almost complete freedom to make any legal 
interpretation that suits their ideology. The only real check on 
their rulings is the threat of reversal (an embarrassment, nothing 
more) by one of the nation's 13 federal circuit courts of appeal. But 
judges on the appeals courts are often chosen from the ranks of the 
more extreme federal judges, so they are all pretty much cut from the 
same ideological cloth. It's a closed system with 

Re: [biofuel] Biogas question

2003-07-11 Thread Kim Garth Travis

Humanure is great for fertilizer, I have been using it for almost 2 
years.  The key to using carnivorous manure is thermolitic composting 
techniques.  I am sure Keith can give a better answer, and he has lots of 
information on journeytoforever.org about this kind of composting.
Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 05:08 AM 7/11/2003 +0200, you wrote:

I also like to know about the septic tank and if we would get
biogas. Fertilizer is an other thing and I was always told by
farmers that human excrements did not produce good fertilizer,
because it was produced by meat eaters, it had to be mixed
with cow dung or similar. The best fertilizer would come from
grass eaters, like cows, horses, etc. At that time I was not
thinking about it.

I have an old 3 chamber septic, with the overflow going to the
sewer treatment. It is always an airing pipe to them, so if I
put a plastic bag on it, would I collect biogas? I think that this
is the question Caroline wanted answer on. I never tested it,
so I do not know the answer. Huge amount of water is there.

Hakan

At 01:13 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
   Helo caroline
 
Eventhough  the methane bacteria works well to produce  biogas,
  the  huge amount of  water  as well as the  the need to mix and dispose
  of the effluents , and  the need to  feed and  dispose of
  quality   effluent make  the project much complex and  the project not
  very  simple.Here in Brasil, for  rural area ,  good research are  done
  by EMBRAPA to  use 3 smalll tanks  filled  with cow dung manure  to
  make  biofertilizer from septic tank efluents  of good quality.
 I feel yet there is need for group such as our biofuel  as well as the
  information flow  so that we can really make it as simple as you think.
  Surely  it is possible  to make  the complex problem to be  as  simple as
  you think , but yet  few working good model are  simple  and economical 
 one.
 
 sd
 P.V.Pannirselvam
 
 
 Grahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In doing some research for my 4-H solar class, I came across a simple
 biogas experiment.
 http://www.re-energy.ca/t-i_biomassbuild-1.shtml
 
If biogas production basically involves just mixing poop and water, and
 letting it sit for a while, why is there not some attachment or something
 made to install on top of everyday septic tanks that would collect the gas?
 Caroline






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Re: [biofuel] Biogas question

2003-07-11 Thread pan ruti

  Hello Kim, Caroline  and beloved  biofuel  group members  
 
It is possible to collect the gas from septic tanks, from garbage , from  
lagoons where septic tanks effluents are disposed.Thus we can make  our planet 
clean , not  leading the methane gas heating of the world and  getting useful 
biofuel from waste  
 
 Biogas  and  fertilizer production in china using simple technology is  very 
successful one  in community level , in a small scale  house hold level , where 
 women work for lean technology is well respected for feeding the tanks  and 
the  careful disposal effluents using aquatic plants as well  outlined by 
Keith.Thus ,we need to integrate the  biogas technology  integrated with the  
thermolitic  composting  as well as postreatments of effluents. This integrated 
 projects can be more successful one 
 
 Blessing green future from biomass
 
sd
P.V.Pannirselvam
Kim  Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Humanure is great for fertilizer, I have been using it for almost 2 
years.  The key to using carnivorous manure is thermolitic composting 
techniques.  I am sure Keith can give a better answer, and he has lots of 
information on journeytoforever.org about this kind of composting.
Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 05:08 AM 7/11/2003 +0200, you wrote:

I also like to know about the septic tank and if we would get
biogas. Fertilizer is an other thing and I was always told by
farmers that human excrements did not produce good fertilizer,
because it was produced by meat eaters, it had to be mixed
with cow dung or similar. The best fertilizer would come from
grass eaters, like cows, horses, etc. At that time I was not
thinking about it.

I have an old 3 chamber septic, with the overflow going to the
sewer treatment. It is always an airing pipe to them, so if I
put a plastic bag on it, would I collect biogas? I think that this
is the question Caroline wanted answer on. I never tested it,
so I do not know the answer. Huge amount of water is there.

Hakan

At 01:13 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
   Helo caroline
 
Eventhough  the methane bacteria works well to produce  biogas,
  the  huge amount of  water  as well as the  the need to mix and dispose
  of the effluents , and  the need to  feed and  dispose of
  quality   effluent make  the project much complex and  the project not
  very  simple.Here in Brasil, for  rural area ,  good research are  done
  by EMBRAPA to  use 3 smalll tanks  filled  with cow dung manure  to
  make  biofertilizer from septic tank efluents  of good quality.
 I feel yet there is need for group such as our biofuel  as well as the
  information flow  so that we can really make it as simple as you think.
  Surely  it is possible  to make  the complex problem to be  as  simple as
  you think , but yet  few working good model are  simple  and economical 
 one.
 
 sd
 P.V.Pannirselvam
 
 
 Grahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In doing some research for my 4-H solar class, I came across a simple
 biogas experiment.
 http://www.re-energy.ca/t-i_biomassbuild-1.shtml
 
If biogas production basically involves just mixing poop and water, and
 letting it sit for a while, why is there not some attachment or something
 made to install on top of everyday septic tanks that would collect the gas?
 Caroline






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[biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Power plant uses coal, grass

2003-07-11 Thread James Slayden

There was a pilot project several years back that was in a midwestern
state with good emission reductions.  There also is a company that makes
switchgrsss pellets for pellet stoves, just can't find it now.

James Slayden

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, murdoch wrote:

 http://www.augustachronicle.com/stories/070603/met_energy3.shtml
 
 Interesting comments about switchgrass, project results.  Also, the
 comments of
 the International Paper person were interesting to me.
 
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[biofuel] Status of AB 2076 Report on Petroleum Dependence

2003-07-11 Thread Tim Castleman

The Final Draft of the AB 2076 report, Reducing California's Petroleum
Dependence, is now available for public review. Adoption of this joint
agency draft report will be considered at the Energy Commission's regularly
scheduled business meeting on July 23, 2003, and has been added to the
agenda of the Air Resources Board's July 24-25,2003, Board meeting. Public
comments on the Final Draft Report are requested at both the Commission and
Board hearings. Questions on the Draft Final Report should be directed to
Dan Fong at 916-654-4638.

http://www.energy.ca.gov/fuels/petroleum_dependence/documents/

Further information regarding the July 23 Energy Commission business meeting
is available at www.energy.ca.gov/business_meetings/ and further information
regarding the July 24-25 Air Resources Board board meeting is available at
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[biofuel] some perspective on natural gas pricing

2003-07-11 Thread murdoch

http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/NG/M

I wonder if the farms of America and the world, and others who handle bio-goods,
could start to produce natural-gas-like commodities for sale into this rising
price problem, if the problem does materialize as is being predicted by such as
Greeenspan.

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[biofuel] Re: Biogas question

2003-07-11 Thread girl_mark_fire

There is an excellent book available in the US called a Chinese 
Biogas Manual which is a translation of training literature used in 
Chinese communes by crews who built village-scale digesters. I forget 
who published it, but I believe I bought it through RealGoods or 
something like that. 
mark
  

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, pan ruti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hello Kim, Caroline  and beloved  biofuel  group members  
  
 It is possible to collect the gas from septic tanks, from garbage , 
from  lagoons where septic tanks effluents are disposed.Thus we can 
make  our planet clean , not  leading the methane gas heating of the 
world and  getting useful biofuel from waste  
  
  Biogas  and  fertilizer production in china using simple 
technology is  very successful one  in community level , in a small 
scale  house hold level , where  women work for lean technology is 
well respected for feeding the tanks  and the  careful disposal 
effluents using aquatic plants as well  outlined by Keith.Thus ,we 
need to integrate the  biogas technology  integrated with the  
thermolitic  composting  as well as postreatments of effluents. This 
integrated  projects can be more successful one 
  
  Blessing green future from biomass
  
 sd
 P.V.Pannirselvam
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[biofuel] FW: Subject: Genetic (GM) Food

2003-07-11 Thread kirk




- Original Message -
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Subject: Subject: Genetic (GM) Food


Subject: Genetic (GM) Food


GM WATCH daily: http://www.gmwatch.org/archive.asp ---  THE SINISTER SACKING
OF THE WORLD'S LEADING GM EXPERT - AND THE TRAIL THAT LEADS TO TONY BLAIR
AND THE WHITE HOUSE

by Andrew Rowell - The Daily Mail - July 7, 2003

EARLY one fine summer morning, a taxi pulled up outside a neat suburban
terrace house in Aberdeen and took a 68-year-old scientist to a TV studio.

Shortly afterwards Dr Arpad Pustzai found himself propelled from a life of
grateful obscurity into the centre of an astonishing political maelstrom
that  would cost him his job, his reputation and his health.

His crime was to question the safety of genetically modified food. His
interview on ITV's World In Action lasted just 150 seconds, but that was
long enough to reveal his ground-breaking research suggesting rats fed
genetically modified potatoes suffered stunted growth and damage to their
immune systems.

It triggered a controversy that put him on a collision course with the
Government, the biotech industry and the scientific establishment. The
diminutive Hungarian-born scientist, who had escaped the terrors of
Stalinism to enjoy a brilliant 35-year academic career, became a reviled
figure: ostracised by colleagues, villified, and gagged.

Now, five years on, there are disturbing claims that this distinguished
scientist was the victim of behind-the-scenes manoeuvring at the highest
political level.

Some of the allegations are truly explosive. They raise profound questions
about the extraordinary network of relationships between senior Labour
figures and the biotech companies. They also throw new light on why the
multi-billion-pound GM industry continues to press ahead in the face of huge
public opposition.

The World In Action documentary was broadcast on Monday, August 10, 1998. It
was a little over a year since Tony Blair had swept into Downing Street. His
government was in thrall to the biotech industry, convinced it could become
a driving force of the British economy. What Dr Pusztai was saying
threatened to derail those ambitions.

He was based at the Rowett Institute in Aberdeen, which conducts research
into animal nutrition. He had published more than 270 scientific studies and
three books on lectins, plant proteins that are central to the GM
controversy. He was the world's leading expert on the subject.

In the TV interview, he said he believed GM food could be made safe, but
added: 'If I had the choice I would certainly not eat it.

He demanded tighter rules over GM foods, and warned: 'I find it's very
unfair to use our fellow citizens as guinea pigs. We have to find guinea
pigs in the laboratory.'

On the evening the programme went out, the Rowett Institute's director
Professor Philip James congratulated Dr Pusztai on his appearance,
commenting how well he had handled the questions.

The following morning a press release from the Institute gave him further
support, stressing that a 'range of carefully controlled studies underlie
the basis of Dr Pusztai's concerns'.

Yet within 48 hours, everything had changed. Dr Pusztai had been suspended
by the Institute and ordered to hand over all his data.

His research team was dispersed and he was threatened with legal action if
he spoke to anyone. His phone calls and e-mails were diverted; his personal
assistant was banned from speaking to him. He read in a press release issued
by the Institute that his contract would not be renewed.

What triggered such an extraordinary about-face? How did a respected
scientist become a pariah overnight?

The results he claimed to have found were certainly worrying. Dr Pusztai
maintained that when rats were fed a certain kind of GM potato -adapted to
produce natural insecticide - their livers, hearts and other organs got
smaller.

He also found that the size of their brains was affected, but did not dare
publicise this fact because he was thought to be alarmist.

Clearly, such findings were deeply threatening for the GM industry. In
Orwellian fashion, the Rowett Institute gave a number of conflicting reasons
for suddenly disowning them.

First, it claimed Dr Pusztai had simply got confused, muddling up the
results for two different batches of potatoes. According to this
explanation, the worrying results came from a 'control' sample of potatoes
containing a substance known to be poisonous.

This was an utterly astonishing claim - a basic error worthy of a bumbling
schoolboy. Newspapers rightly described it as one of the most embarrassing
blunders ever admitted by a major scientific institution.

The trouble was, it wasn't true. Whatever the merits of his results, Dr
Pusztai hadn't mixed them up, as a subsequent audit of his work confirmed.
One of his colleagues, leading pathologist Stanley Ewen said: 'Arpad has
always had a clear vision. He is certainly never muddled. He was on top of

Re: [biofuel] some perspective on natural gas pricing

2003-07-11 Thread Gunilla, Jens Bent Haagerup

It is and have been done in Denmark for years.  Look at one of many www. 
 :http://www.hoejme-teknik.dk/gb_index.htm

murdoch wrote:

 http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/NG/M

 I wonder if the farms of America and the world, and others who handle 
 bio-goods,
 could start to produce natural-gas-like commodities for sale into this 
 rising
 price problem, if the problem does materialize as is being predicted 
 by such as
 Greeenspan.

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[biofuel] Hydrogen and Asia's richest businessman Li Ka-shing

2003-07-11 Thread murdoch

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/030711/autos_hongkong_hydrogen_1.html

I was perusing headlines for HHO.TO (on yahoo, hho at tse.com, srnyf nasdaq
pinksheet equivalent?... these equivalents are a pain for Toronto and foreign
stocks, but it's all-you-get if you want to buy, usually) in which 12.5% is
apparently controlled by a rich Asian Businessman.  HHO.TO has some established
expertise in making and storing hydrogen.

This story calls Li Ka-shing Asia's richest businessman.  That's pretty rich,
although I don't know the veracity.  It is two or three years ago that I noticed
this stake he took in hho.to, and, for better or worse, he seems determined to
push ahead with his view of Hydrogen having a big future.

I called HHO.TO a year or two ago and just chatted with them for awhile.  They
seemed convinced that they had high efficiency and well-put-together technology,
and they seemed to want to say that they'd been doing the Hydrogen thing longer
than the Johnny-come-latelies.  I think they said they were a private (family?)
business for many decades, but that they were only now bringing their expertise
out as a publicly traded company (why the change in business structure, I'm not
sure).  I haven't looked further into refining my impressions of them.  At the
time I don't think they were part of ch2bc.org, but now I think they are.  At
the time, I do think I suggested this to them.  CH2BC.org does seem to be sort
of a big deal in the Hydrogen movement.

MM

 
 
 

Reuters
CORRECTED - CORRECTED-Cheung Kong to launch hydrogen-powered bus
Friday July 11, 7:15 am ET 

 
A corrected story follows:

HONG KONG, July 11 (Reuters) - Cheung Kong Infrastructure Holdings Ltd
(HKSE:1038.HK - News), controlled by Asia's richest businessman Li Ka-shing,
will launch an experimental hydrogen-powered bus in Hong Kong by the end of the
year, the company said on Friday.

Hoping to capitalise on the power-hungry Chinese market, Cheung Kong (CKI) will
spend HK$15 million (US$1.9 million) on the one-year experiment and said Hong
Kong could become the base for much wider use of hydrogen as a primary energy
source.

Hydrogen is the second industrial revolution, said Barrie Cook, executive
director of Cheung Kong Infrastructure and a member of Hong Kong's
sustainability committee.

The 41-seat Ford bus will store hydrogen in a rooftop tank.

CKI will conduct the experiment with Toronto based Stuart Energy Systems
(Toronto:HHO.TO - News), in which it owns a 12.5 percent stake.

But while analysts say hydrogen has some future potential, it remains very much
a niche source of power.

Everyone talks about the hydrogen future but it's at least a decade away, said
Mark Hutchinson, an energy consultant with Cambridge Associates in Thailand.

Cost, he said, is the major factor limiting widespread use of alternative
energy. Japanese carmakers Honda Motor Co (Tokyo:7267.T - News) and Toyota Motor
Corp (Tokyo:7203.T - News), for example, have developed hydrogen powered cars,
but they cost at least $1 million each.

Cheung Kong's Cook, however, says the experiment could lead to the commercial
launch of hydrogen projects in Hong Kong by the end of 2004. He expects that
costs will drop dramatically.

Shares in Cheung Kong Infrastructure closed 1.88 percent lower on Friday at
HK$15.65. The stock has rallied 23.5 percent in the past year. 



 


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[biofuel] water issues coverage

2003-07-11 Thread murdoch

Someone sent me an article by Sandra Postel in the May issue of Natural History
magazine.

http://www.naturalhistory.com/naturalhistory/0503/0503_selections.html

Other articles which reference her views:

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/national/article/0,1406,KNS_350_2100908,00.html

http://www.emagazine.com/september-october_1998/0998conversations.html

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/04/18/mideast.water/





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[biofuel] Re: Biogas question - A Chinese Biogas Manual

2003-07-11 Thread MH

 There is an excellent book available in the US called a Chinese
 Biogas Manual which is a translation of training literature used in
 Chinese communes by crews who built village-scale digesters. I forget
 who published it, but I believe I bought it through RealGoods or
 something like that.
 mark

 Your description motivated a google search and,
 thanks to you, below is listed a few references -- 

 A Chinese Biogas Manual: Popularizing Technology in the Countryside
  by Ariane Van Buren (Editor), Leo Pyle (Editor), Michael Crook (Translator) 
 Paperback: 136 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.50 x 8.25 x 5.50 inches 
 Publisher: Intermediate Technology; (May 1981) 
 ISBN: 0903031655 
 http://www.amazon.com/books 
 - 

 A Chinese Biogas Manual -- 
 China has over seven million biogas pits in operation. They act as a
 combination waste disposal, recycling center, and fertilizer production
 while providing a high quality fuel for cooking, lighting, and power. 
   One cu. meter of biogas will
 light a 60-100 watt bulb for 6 hours,
 cook 3 meals for a family of 6,
 generate 1.25 kW of electricity,
 run a 3-ton truck for 2.8 km,
 or a 1 HP motor for 2 hours. 
 Complete details for making a bio-gas system in a variety of situations
 and soil types.  135 pages
 http://www.thesustainablevillage.com/servlet/display/product/detail/15097 
 - 

 A CHINESE BIOGAS MANUAL
  Translated from Chinese by Michael Crook
  Edited by Ariane van Buren
 Biogas, a fuel obtained from inexhaustible biological resources ö human,
 animal and plant wastes ö has brought about a radical change in the use
 of fuel in rural China.  With the advent of an efficient digester for
 processing, biogas is now available as a high quality fuel for heating
 and lighting.  This manual shows how its success in China can be replicated
 elsewhere.  Photos, diagrams and instructions are all included.  136pp
 http://www.permaculture.co.uk/erc/erc21.html 
 - 

 A Chinese Biogas Manual, MF 24-572, book, 160 pages,
 by the Office of the Leading Group for the Propagation of Marshgas,
 Szechuan Province, English translation published 1979,
 £8.95 from ITDG; also from VITA and TOOL.

 This construction manual has been used widely since its original Chinese 
language
 publication in 1974.  It shows how to plan, build, and care for low-cost,
 pit-type digesters.  Drawings and text explain the comparative design 
advantages
 and construction details of circular pits, rectangular pits and domed covers. 
 Different combinations of stone, lime bricks, traditional cements and mortars,
 and commercial concrete are also discussed.  Simple instructions include notes 
on
 why certain designs are suited to certain conditions:  A circular pit made 
from
 soft triple concrete with a large volume and a small opening is easy to seal 
and
 suitable for the areas where the earth is firm, the underground water level is 
low,
 and there is no water seepage.  (It is) also quite suitable for plateau 
regions.

 The manual also emphasizes the importance of careful prevention of leaks when 
the
 finished pit is filled and pressurized.  A chapter on using biogas shows how to
 make burners for cooking and lighting out of renewable and recycled materials 
such
 as bamboo, iron tubing, and discarded showerheads.  An appendix gives an 
example of
 how this book has been used by the Shachio Commune of Guangdong Province to
 spread biogas technology.

 A good technical reference, this construction manual is also an example of a 
tool
 for sharing skills and experience among rural communities. 
 [There are ADDITIONAL REFERENCES ON BIOGAS from this website] 
 http://villageearth.org/atnetwork/atsourcebook/chapters/biogas.htm 
 - 

 A Chinese Biogas Manual 
 INTRODUCTION
 The masses have boundless creativity.  They can organise, and advance on all 
fronts
 and in all spheres where they can exert their power; they can expand and 
intensify
 production, and create for themselves daily increasing welfare enterprises.
   -- Mao Zedong (Mao Tse-Tung)

 This manual has been translated virtually verbatim from the Chinese.  It 
conveys
 not just the substance but the tone of Chinese technical education for rural 
areas. 
 A decisive feature of China's technical education is that it encourages people 
to
 assimilate and modulate technology to their own needs -- the result is that 
people
 develop themselves.

 One of China's recent achievements has been the production of biogas from
 agricultural wastes.  This practice is based upon an age-old Chinese tradition 
of
 composting human, animal and plant wastes to produce an organic fertilizer of
 high quality.  However, by fermenting the materials in an airtight, watertight
 container, methane gas can be produced and collected for use as fuel for 
motors,
 cooking and lighting; and the liquid slurry can be returned to the land as
 fertilizer.  Furthermore, digesting the wastes in a closed container-kills many
 of the 

[biofuel] Extreme Threat To Class Action Lawsuits

2003-07-11 Thread Keith Addison

Extreme Threat To Class Action Lawsuits

Rachel's Environment  Health News #768

July 10, 2003: Sometime during July, right-wing extremists in 
Congress expect to achieve another major milestone in their radical 
revamping of the U.S. court system. If they attain their goal, 
successful environmental class-action lawsuits will become as rare as 
Dodo birds.

Class action lawsuits are the only effective remedy when large 
numbers of people are harmed but each person sustains relatively 
small damages, making individual lawsuits inefficient or impossible.

An example would be the current lawsuit being pursued by 6000 
residents of Louisiana who say that a Mobil Oil refinery discharged 
3.4 million gallons of untreated industrial wastes that contaminated 
their drinking water. No individual plaintiff could take on Mobil 
alone, but the total damage may be large, so a class action is the 
right vehicle for pursuing a remedy.

Class action suits are an essential component of a balanced legal 
system that is supposed to provide a check on the misdeeds of the 
powerful, such as oil corporations, by raising the threat of 
substantial financial penalties.

With large numbers of right-wing extremists now sitting in Congress, 
corporations see an opportunity to derail class actions. So the 
elected representatives of the insurance, medical, chemical, oil, and 
automobile corporations are pushing a new law intended to stifle 
class actions. The proposed Class Action Fairness Act has already 
passed the U.S. House of Representatives (H.R. 2115) and is expected 
to come up for a U.S. Senate vote (S. 274) during July.

If the proposed law passes, it will severely restrict, if not totally 
derail, class-action lawsuits on behalf of the environment, workers, 
consumers, and civil rights plaintiffs such as people of color, 
people with disabilities, and women.

Few in the environmental community have been paying attention as this 
bill has made its way through the legislative process. Corporations, 
on the other hand, know exactly what's at stake and they have poured 
money and resources into this fight.

At last count, corporations had 475 paid lobbyists working to push 
this bill through the Senate -- nearly five corporate lobbyists for 
each U.S. senator. The insurance industry alone has 139 lobbyists 
promoting the bill. Health maintenance organizations have 59 
lobbyists pressing their case; banks and consumer credit corporations 
have 39; automobile corporations have 32; the chemical industry has 
20 and the oil corporations have another 19. If this proposed law 
didn't matter, would corporations field such an army?

To inform yourself about this proposed law, you can check with Public 
Citizen at
http://www.citizen.org/congress/civjus/class_action/articles.cf 
m?ID=9320. For details, you can read their 95-page report, 
Unfairness Incorporated: The Corporate Campaign Against Consumer 
Class Actions (June, 2003), available at 
http://www.citizen.org/congress/civjus/class_action/articles.cf 
m?ID=9846 .

You can also learn about the proposed law from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce at
http://www.uschamber.com/Search/SearchResults.asp?ct=USCCq1=cl 
ass+action+fairness+act .

If you decided you wanted to weigh in on this issue, you could call 
both of your U.S. senators and give them an earful. (To find your 
senators and their phone numbers, go to http://www.senate.gov/ .) 
Proponents of the bill reportedly have at least 55 senate votes in 
the bag already, so the only way to stop this juggernaut would be a 
filibuster. (Extremists in Congress are working to revise the 
filibuster rule, too.)

Essentially the proposed law moves all class action lawsuits out of 
state courts and into federal courts, which are already clogged and 
fraught with delays, and where the rules and most of the the judges 
are biased against environmental, labor, consumer and civil rights 
plaintiffs such as women, people of color and people with 
disabilities. Much of the federal court system is now grossly 
pro-corporate, often to an extreme degree. This is no accident.

Making the courts friendly to corporations has been high on the 
agenda of the right wing for 30 years. The reason is simple: there 
are only about 900 federal judges. They are appointed by the 
President, not elected. The Senate must approve their appointment but 
by gentleman's agreement it is rare for the Senate to veto a 
judicial appointment.

Federal judges serve for life, so once they are appointed they become 
unstoppable. They also have almost complete freedom to make any legal 
interpretation that suits their ideology. The only real check on 
their rulings is the threat of reversal (an embarrassment, nothing 
more) by one of the nation's 13 federal circuit courts of appeal. But 
judges on the appeals courts are often chosen from the ranks of the 
more extreme federal judges, so they are all pretty much cut from the 
same ideological cloth. It's a closed system with