Re: [biofuel] Ice Age bolthole
At 06:44 AM 6/13/2004, you wrote: >Instead of considering how we can continue to drive our behemoths (like 6 >litre Fords or ancient Hillmans) on a substitute for dino fuel, just >consider how far you could go with say a recliner bike with a 50cc or >smaller assist running from say a 5 litre tank of liquid propane behind the >seat. Unfortunately, some of us have to have larger vehicles. I can not take produce to market, or cows or sheep to the processor on a bicycle. If you live in an urban area, the bicycle or small scooter is a great idea, but for those of us that are rural, we do need our larger vehicles. Especially those of us that produce food, as it does not do much good if we can't get the food to market. I have considered buying a motorcycle to get around and hopefully save fuel. When I took a good look at where and when I drive, I realized that I always have to pick up more stuff than will fit on a motorcycle. I suppose if I had more of a social life and just went visiting or such, the smaller vehicle would be worth it, but one must take into account the energy cost of building vehicles as well. I do use a Honda civic when I can, and my ford ranger the rest of the time. I borrow a vehicle or rent one if I need something bigger which is rare. I have found that a trailer is a real energy saver as opposed to a larger truck. Bright Blessings, Kim Kim Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Moving
Moving? I know what you meanI move from the states to Honduras 10 years ago I'm a lot of stuff get lost,broken or just missing...I hope it won't be your case...happy moving!!! Jorge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ice Age bolthole
Hi Keith Whether NZ is an ice age bolthole or not they have a lot of methane there: its a country of 50 million sheep (and as the joke goes, three million of them are human beings). The problem is connecting all those millions of little perambulating little generators to a pipeline. Tasmania is the same latitude, not far away, and the mountains are a lot smaller but are well scoured by glaciers, so it must have been pretty cold in this end of the world ten thousand or so years ago. Sure you can compress methane, just that there are easier ways. And as for the Harold Bates car driven by methane at atmospheric pressure, that gives about 18 grams per cubic foot. A 40 cubic foot bag would fill the entire '53 Hillman with the passenger seats removed for about 600 grams of hydrocarbons, which should supply a similar magnitude of energy to a litre of petrol, and a Hillman ought to get about 10 km.per litre. Considering the wait for the chicken manure to anaerobically ferment in the generator, I'd save my thirty dollars, put the three gallons of chicken --- on the garden and ride a bike. Instead of considering how we can continue to drive our behemoths (like 6 litre Fords or ancient Hillmans) on a substitute for dino fuel, just consider how far you could go with say a recliner bike with a 50cc or smaller assist running from say a 5 litre tank of liquid propane behind the seat. Odourless, easy and very advantageous- I converted a new 2 cyl. 17 hp petrol engine to LP - it took an ordinary barbecue type regulator to a solenoid shut off valve to demand regulator like a scuba mouthpiece (with priming button) -to a little 3/8ths tube loctited into the carby in place of the main jet, and a hollow idle needle, the kit cost about $300 and I never would have paid that much if I had known how simple it was. That was it, except for a little tapered bolt with a lock nut in a brass block with hose spuds that could restrict flow to the main jet, and that was set up for me by the local gas guy who put his meter against the exhaust and set it so the CO disappeared. That engine would have had about 5000 hours of hard work on it over 15 years and has never needed to be touched, the oil was always fairly clean even being slack with oil changes, over 100 hours apart, no filter, still going strong. Try that with your diesels. Regards From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ice Age bolthole > "George Smiley" wrote: > > >Trouble with methane - it's the lightest of all those 'anes' and the amount > >you can put in a car tire will get you about as far as you walked with the > >tire. Saw a picture of them cooking with biogas in Vietnam - stored in a > >huge clear plastic bag suspended over the range and the gas came out when > >they pulled a rope that squeezed the bag. If it ever lit up it would all be > >gone before anybody could grab an extinguisher. > > That's not how it's usually done with the polyethylene bag digesters. > > http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/ibs/info/ecuador/install-polydig.htm > How to install a polyethylene biogas plant > > http://www.fao.org/WAICENT/FAOINFO/AGRICULT/AGA/AGAP/FRG/Recycle/biodi > g/manual.htm > Biodigester installation manual > > http://www.husdyr.kvl.dk/htm/php/tune96/13An.htm > The Introduction of Low-Cost Polyethylene Tube Biodigesters on > Small-Scale Farms in Vietnam > > >Better to have a weight on > >a diaphragm in the top of your digester kind of like the big natural gas > >storage tanks they have all over London that slide up and down a tower like > >a caisson into a water tank > > Different system. As ever, there's probably no "best" > one-size-fits-all solution, but the polytubes have many advantages, > one of them being that they float: "Among the polyethylene digesters > installed, 5% of them were floated in ponds adding an innovative > feature to the development. According to Khoi et al (1989), in the > Mekong Delta where most land is low, the application of concrete > digesters was very difficult especially when the water level went up. > The floating digesters solved this problem and as they also required > little space they were very well suited for low-lying areas. More > than 90% of the plants were installed in rural areas indicating the > good fit of the technology under these conditions." > > >But it is purely a stationary fuel. > > I don't think so. That might be its most efficient use, but it > certainly can be used as a transport fuel. For instance: > > "Methane, the lightest organic gas, has two fundamental drawbacks to > its use in heat engines: it has a relatively low fuel value (Table > 7), and it takes nearly 5,000 psi to liquefy it for easy storage. > (87.7 ft3 methane gas = 1 gallon of liquid methane or 1 ft3 methane > gas = 9 tablespoons liquid methane.) So a great deal of storage is > required of methane for a given amount of work. For comparison, > propane liquefies around 250
Re: [biofuel] Best Processer
Thanks for your speedy reply. What about Biodiesel Solutions, which is endorsed by Joshua Tickell? http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/default.asp Thank you! - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Best Processer >Hello Bob, welcome >There isn't such a thing, none of them is recommended - check the >list archives. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Moving
Keith, Sounds like a positivie move. Hope all goes well. I'm hoping I get to move somewhere more mountainous soon. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all > > Apologies in advance... We're likely to be somewhat chaotic over the > next few days or so, or rather even more chaotic - we're moving > house. Actually we're moving not only house but also Journey to > Forever, the complete catastrophe, and all the fish. Well, chickens > and so on anyway, plus all ongoing projects, gear, large dead-tree > library, loads of TEJ (Totally Essential Junk without which life is > hardly possible), etc. Especially etc. So list admin. is likely to be > even more all over the place than usual. We're going here, if you're > interested: another 100-year-old farmhouse up in the mountains, but > in much better condition than this unfixably decrepit old wreck we're > in now. Better place all round, more land too. > http://journeytoforever.org/tamba.jpg > > Best wishes > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > KYOTO Pref., Japan > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > Biofuel list owner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Moving
May your move be pleasant, and without incident. May the birds greet you with cheer. Fresh mountain air, good to keep the cobwebs out of the mind :) Luc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all > > Apologies in advance... We're likely to be somewhat chaotic over the > next few days or so, or rather even more chaotic - we're moving > house. Actually we're moving not only house but also Journey to > Forever, the complete catastrophe, and all the fish. Well, chickens > and so on anyway, plus all ongoing projects, gear, large dead-tree > library, loads of TEJ (Totally Essential Junk without which life is > hardly possible), etc. Especially etc. So list admin. is likely to be > even more all over the place than usual. We're going here, if you're > interested: another 100-year-old farmhouse up in the mountains, but > in much better condition than this unfixably decrepit old wreck we're > in now. Better place all round, more land too. > http://journeytoforever.org/tamba.jpg > > Best wishes > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > KYOTO Pref., Japan > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > Biofuel list owner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: stanadyne pump compatability
Those pumps die anyway. Biodiesel isn't a problem with them. The Diesel Fuel Injection Equipment Manufacturers (Delphi, Stanadyne, Denso, Bosch) still make cautious noises about biodiesel but they're supportive nonetheless. They insist on standard-spec fuel at minimum, but it's easy to make standard-spec biodiesel or better. Here's their statement on biodiesel quality: Summary -- html http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_FIEM.html Full document -- Acrobat file, 104kb http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/FIEM.pdf For SVO/WVO the same reservations apply to Stanadyne pumps as to Lucas-CAV - rotary pumps, not good. Elsbett says: "We do not suggest to modify engines equipped with distributor-type injection pumps manufactured by Delphi, Lucas, CAV, Stanadyne and Roto-Diesel." There's more about this at Darren Hill's site: http://www.vegburner.co.uk/suitability.htm Vegburner Meanwhile there've been furious denials from Greasel and probably others - nothing wrong with rotary pumps and SVO, they say, it's just "rumors", "misinformation". Ho-hum. Ed Beggs of Neoteric reported an initial failure (old pump) and no problems with the rebuilt replacement: "Starting into a project with an old highly worn pump - well, sure, anything can happen... these pumps fail daily to begin with, on diesel fuel... Throw in some inferior WVO that should have been made into biodiesel, and you are adding to the potential for problems, IMO. On the other hand, with a good pump in good shape, and good WVO or SVO, well heated and free of water and contaminants.. no problems." Others agree with that, though it's also said that the Stanadyne pumps can't take too much heat either, maybe 180 deg F max. Not too little, not too much. It's the same with the Lucas - it can be done but it has to be done well, and there's still a shortage of long-term results, there are some, but not enough. Once again, it's the difference between biodiesel and SVO. Biodiesel - any diesel will do. SVO - maybe any diesel, but there's a lot more to consider, if you're just going to chuck it in and go then be prepared for problems. Best Keith >to elaborate on that a little (since I own one of these vehicles) > >Elsbett has recommended not converting vehicles equipped with >Stanodyne pumps to SVO. (this came from Aleksander Noack >directly, not sure if it's on their website or not) > >we had a LOT of failures (ie 7 or 8 now?) with these pumps (on >Fords and Chevy trucks) in the Bay Area on SVO, none on >biodiesel. Of course lots of other people have also run them >successfully on SVO, again, no pump failures reported anywhere >on biodiesel. > > It looks like the failures in our area were mostly on vehicles >which weren't getting sufficient heating on the WVO side. These >folks mostly ran homemade or experimental conversions, and >the failures (sized pump) occured quite early in the conversion's >life. The several of these cases that I looked into, didn't do >adequate temperature monitoring , so it is possible that the >temps weren't up to par. In any case it seems a strong case to >be extra careful with SVO in these vehicles. > >One of them seized his pump and then seized the newly rebuilt >replacement almost immediately. When he called the rebuild >company about it the second time, they asked if he was using >biodiesel- they'd apparently gotten a few back from various >people already. I imagine that the SVO'ers who were trying to get >the company to accept their seized pumps as cores were >probably doing what my friends did- and probably weren't quite >straight with the co. as to what fuel they were using, and had >probably told that company it was biodiesel (since that sounds >less bad than hacking into your fuel system, from a fuel injection >equipment manufacturers' perspective. > > >--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > Not recommended for SVO/WVO use, fine with biodiesel. > > > > Best > > > > Keith > > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Best I can tell the pump in my vehicle is a "distributor type" > > > > Stanadyne pump. If I am wrong on that point, someone >please correct > > > > me! > > > > > > > > >From what I remember, the fuel injector pump on the 5.7, >6.2 and 6.5 > > >is a Roosa Master. I don't know why distributor type fuel >injection > > >pumps would have problems on biodiesel, though I imagine >the close > > >tolerances of such a device might cause problems with WVO >after it had > > >cooled down. But that would simply entail running biodiesel >or standard > > >diesel through the pump for a few moments to clean out the >hot WVO > > >before shutting down, would it not? > > > > > >Once, when I was seriously looking at a 6.5 turbo diesel, I > > >contacted Ed Beggs about a SVO conversion for that engine. >He told me > > >at the time that he'd had no experience with this family of >engines. > > >Since this is Ed's business, I hedged on buying the tr
[biofuel] Moving
Hello all Apologies in advance... We're likely to be somewhat chaotic over the next few days or so, or rather even more chaotic - we're moving house. Actually we're moving not only house but also Journey to Forever, the complete catastrophe, and all the fish. Well, chickens and so on anyway, plus all ongoing projects, gear, large dead-tree library, loads of TEJ (Totally Essential Junk without which life is hardly possible), etc. Especially etc. So list admin. is likely to be even more all over the place than usual. We're going here, if you're interested: another 100-year-old farmhouse up in the mountains, but in much better condition than this unfixably decrepit old wreck we're in now. Better place all round, more land too. http://journeytoforever.org/tamba.jpg Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Best Processer
Hello Bob, welcome >What are now considered to be the best-made, commercially available, >biodiesel processors on the market at this time, for personal, >non-commercial use? There isn't such a thing, none of them is recommended - check the list archives. These are professional, but probably exceed your requirements: Biofuel Systems provides state-of-the-art biodiesel process equipment which meets all recognised international safety standards (eg. ATEX) and will produce biodiesel from a range of feedstocks to meet recognised standards, including ASTM 6751-03, EN 14214:2003, DIN V 51606. Currently offers systems from 900 litres per week upwards. Available in Europe through Eurobiodiesel Ltd (http://www.eurobiodiesel.com), in Australasia through New Zealand Biofuels Limited, and in the rest of world direct from Biofuel Systems, 58 Church Street, Ormskirk, Lancashire, ENGLAND L39 3AW. Fax: +44 1695 571222 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://biofuelsystems.com I'm not sure they still do the 900-litre per week model, the minimum is more than that. Otherwise make your own: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html Biodiesel processors: Journey to Forever Best wishes Keith >How do they compare to one another, and how much do they cost. >Please supply links to these companies, if possible. Thank you! > >Bob Grunwald, Certified Arborist >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >559-583-9334 (home) >559-308-0947 (cell) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Best Processer
What are now considered to be the best-made, commercially available, biodiesel processors on the market at this time, for personal, non-commercial use? How do they compare to one another, and how much do they cost. Please supply links to these companies, if possible. Thank you! Bob Grunwald, Certified Arborist [EMAIL PROTECTED] 559-583-9334 (home) 559-308-0947 (cell) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] f-250 conversion/diesel engine biofuel primer
> Thank you thats a start. what about m.p.g.does that stay the same also it > seems to me that running on svo or wvo would be better then running bd,but > it seems a high number are running on bd.Why? > -Original Message- > From: Kenneth Kron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:40 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] f-250 conversion/diesel engine biofuel primer > Hey, your '97 is a Poerstroke Diesel, the same as an International T444E. It features direct fuel injection and is electronically controlled. Because it is DI and electronic, I would recommend that you use biodiesel. The fuel has to be very finely atomized to work in a DI. That said, there is a lot of interest in SVO over at the Diesel Stop, and a couple of guys are running SVO in 7.3 PSD engines. I'd not be convinced that it will work as well as diesel or biodiesel until they have hundreds of thousands of veggie miles with no unusual fuel related problems. The injectors are probably the most likely component to be damaged, and they are not cheap to fix. If you're up for taking a chance go for it, but for goodness sakes, do it right. ALways preheat the oil and start and stop on petrodiesel or biodiesel. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to invesst in a greasel or similar conversion. Good luck, J.D. > > SVO - Straight Vegetable oil - "virgin" or unused vegetable oil. > WVO - Waste Vegetable oil - Oil that has been used to fry food. > Biodiesel - A renewable fuel made from fatty acids (oils). > > Biofuel pros svo, wvo are reasonably equiv. to BD for this list with two > exceptions: > 1) there has been alot more testing done specifically on biodiesel > 2) While the diesel engine was invented to be run on vegetable oil it, > WVO i snot equivalent to straight peanut oil. > > * Biodiesel use increase international stability as opposed to > decreasing it as petro fuel does. > * Biodiesel use reduces the risk of fuel transportation disasters as > it requires less transport and is significantly less toxic. > * Biodiesel is less expensive than petrodiesel to deliver to > American markets > * Biodiesel use along with conservation is the cost effective way to > immediately reduce our dependence on middle east oil > * Biodiesel combustion produces over 60% fewer pollutants than > petrodiesel, over 90% fewer carcinogens and is not a net green > house gas contributor. > * Biodiesel removes an entire class of acid rain producing smog from > diesel exhaust > * Biodiesel when used as a petroleum diesel additive at rates of > between 5% & 20% is already an accepted product in the petroleum > diesel market-place > * According to some estimates the US can produce enough biodiesel to > meet more than 20% of it's fuel needs and all of it's current > diesel fuel needs > * Biodiesel production is less dangerous than petroleum fuel > production > * Biodiesel production creates almost no pollution > * Biodiesel from WVO has a higher lubricity and cetane rating than > petrodiesel and is otherwise comparable or superior in performance > when used in diesel engines > * Biodiesel production from WVO reduces demands on landfills > * Biodiesel exhaust actually has a pleasant aroma > * Biodiesel is 1/10th as toxic as table salt and biodegrades like > dextrose with up to 98% biodegredation in 3 weeks > * Biodiesel is one of the most cost effective ways to reduce exhaust > pollution from smaller and inexpensive engines > > > Depending on your engine, climate and who you ask, SVO/WVO can be mixed > with diesel (petro or bio). > SVO/WVO kits cost between $600-$1200+, pay the upfront costs, take > additional risks on warranty coverage, mostly because the hardware > changes advertise that you did something interesting and get a payback > rate dependent on how much fuel you use. > > Biofuel cons: > > * People will look at you strangely and say your vehicle smells > nice. > * People who love the smell of burning petro will say somethings > wrong with your truck. > * The US engine manufacturers association says they don't warranty > biodiesel or VO even though they don't warranty any other fuel > either and in the California at least the burden of proof is on > the warranty provider to show that the users action caused the > damage. > * Crown Prince* *Abdullah, OPEC and the Bush clan will suffer a > minute decrease in their net worth if every day 100 people switch > from petro fuels to biofuels. > > See > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=diesel+vegetable+ > oil+conversion+kits&btnG=Search > for most of the manufacturers of VO kits. VO kits are sensitive to oil > quality as they
[biofuel] Re: The Economy of Wash Water Recycling
I'm not sure where he's getting the following numbers: "If the amount of fuel being washed in the top right row was 1,000 gallons and the water were to be discarded after each wash, there would be 4,000 gallons of waste water" Even the resolute non-recycling mistwashers don't report such high water use. Is this a typo? Traditional bubblewashing without water recycling usually requires at most 1 1/3 as much water as you start with . (I have great success with much, much less, some of it through water recycling. My partner's last bach took only about 10 gallons of fresh water for a 40 gallon batch of fuel, via water recycling) Mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Check out Todd Swearingen's great explanation of why it's a good idea > to recycle the water when washing biodiesel and how it works. > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_wash.html > The Economy of Wash Water Recycling > > Best > > Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] stanadyne pump compatability
> Ok, here is my dilema, I am researching wether to convert my 1985 > Chevy Blazer 6.2 to burn alternative fuels such as biodiesel, SVO and > WVO. I have learned alot about the fuels, processes and the > equipment, but ran into a snag about the viability of my vehicle for > this project. Below you will find a couple short excerpt taken from > different sources which have widely differing opinions on whether my > vehicle is a good candidate for this transformation. Please read.. > > PRO OPINION: > These motors are solid and reliable (when maintained) to well over > 300,000 miles. As with any motor during the course of its > implementation, bugs are identified (injection pump for example) and > corrected. One must remember that these problems are not at the sole > or exclusive fault of GM. The Stanadyne DB2 injection pump has > undergone several improvements during its use, and reliability has > increased. > > Some notable pluses about the 6.2L Detroit diesel: > > It is the least expensive diesel to rebuild or replace. > It features the least expensive injector pump to rebuild or replace. > It is the least expensive diesel oil change. > They are known for excellent fuel economy. > It is the easiest to convert to SVO or Bio-diesel. > It produces the largest gains from aftermarket upgrades > > CON OPINION: > 2We do not suggest the conversion of engines equipped with > distributor-type injection pumps manufactured by DELPHI, LUCAS, CAV, > Stanadyne and Roto-Diesel. > > Best I can tell the pump in my vehicle is a "distributor type" > Stanadyne pump. If I am wrong on that point, someone please correct > me! Thanks for any info or especially experiences if anyone is > already burning these fuels using a motor and pump similar to mine, > thanks again!!! > Problem with this injection pump, its not as sturdy as the Bosch inline pumps that a lot of these biofuelers with Mercedes and VW diesels are familiar with. They have a lot opf wear parts that are far from heavy duty. Our Ford 6.9 and 7.3 IDIs have the same DB2 pump, except it turns the opposite way in the IH/Ford diesels as Chevy/Detroits. That said, we have a few folks over at the Diesel Stop running WVO/SVO in 7.3 and 6.9 IDIs. Some of them have a lot of miles, but will the pumps last? At worst, your're risking a $300 injection pump. Although I like IH diesels myself, I will say that the 6.2 Detroit is a tough engine and will give you many trouble free miles if you keep up on the maintenance. I woukd make and run biodiesel myself, since this is already an iffy pump and WVO is not tried and true with them. Luck, J.D. > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: stanadyne pump compatability
to elaborate on that a little (since I own one of these vehicles) Elsbett has recommended not converting vehicles equipped with Stanodyne pumps to SVO. (this came from Aleksander Noack directly, not sure if it's on their website or not) we had a LOT of failures (ie 7 or 8 now?) with these pumps (on Fords and Chevy trucks) in the Bay Area on SVO, none on biodiesel. Of course lots of other people have also run them successfully on SVO, again, no pump failures reported anywhere on biodiesel. It looks like the failures in our area were mostly on vehicles which weren't getting sufficient heating on the WVO side. These folks mostly ran homemade or experimental conversions, and the failures (sized pump) occured quite early in the conversion's life. The several of these cases that I looked into, didn't do adequate temperature monitoring , so it is possible that the temps weren't up to par. In any case it seems a strong case to be extra careful with SVO in these vehicles. One of them seized his pump and then seized the newly rebuilt replacement almost immediately. When he called the rebuild company about it the second time, they asked if he was using biodiesel- they'd apparently gotten a few back from various people already. I imagine that the SVO'ers who were trying to get the company to accept their seized pumps as cores were probably doing what my friends did- and probably weren't quite straight with the co. as to what fuel they were using, and had probably told that company it was biodiesel (since that sounds less bad than hacking into your fuel system, from a fuel injection equipment manufacturers' perspective. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not recommended for SVO/WVO use, fine with biodiesel. > > Best > > Keith > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > Best I can tell the pump in my vehicle is a "distributor type" > > > Stanadyne pump. If I am wrong on that point, someone please correct > > > me! > > > > > >From what I remember, the fuel injector pump on the 5.7, 6.2 and 6.5 > >is a Roosa Master. I don't know why distributor type fuel injection > >pumps would have problems on biodiesel, though I imagine the close > >tolerances of such a device might cause problems with WVO after it had > >cooled down. But that would simply entail running biodiesel or standard > >diesel through the pump for a few moments to clean out the hot WVO > >before shutting down, would it not? > > > >Once, when I was seriously looking at a 6.5 turbo diesel, I > >contacted Ed Beggs about a SVO conversion for that engine. He told me > >at the time that he'd had no experience with this family of engines. > >Since this is Ed's business, I hedged on buying the truck and it sold to > >someone else. > > > > > Thanks for any info or especially experiences if anyone is > > > already burning these fuels using a motor and pump similar to mine, > > > thanks again!!! > > > >I would also like to know! > > > > > >robert luis rabello > >"The Edge of Justice" > >Adventure for Your Mind > >http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?booki d=9782> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ice Age bolthole
Kia Ora Keith, That's Maori for 'gidday mate'. Great to bridge the Anno Domini gap - geez, was it really 27 years? This isn't quite the forum to reminisce but I did send you a long update on your JTF website a week or so ago - must be stacked up in cyberspace somewhere If it has fallen down the dunny let me know and I'll resend. Almost forgot, thanks for a fistful of great urls. I'm off to squirel around the methane jungle. Tjiers, Bob. Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ice Age bolthole > Greetings Bob > > Fancy meeting you here! LOL! What a world, eh? It sure does have its > brighter moments. > > Folks, this young feller Bob Molloy and I worked together at the Cape > Times in Cape Town 27 years ago just before I left South Africa, and > it was a real delight to get an email from him a few days ago, after > all this time. He used to live in a cottage all by itself on one of > the more beautiful beaches in the world. Four years ago when we > started this project we were living on another of the more beautiful > beaches in the world. > http://journeytoforever.org/about.html > > (But Hout Bay's better! And so was your cottage - the Beach House on > Lantau was a ramshackle old wreck.) > > >Jumping in here as a total newbie (and in reply to the Kim and Garth Travis > >on the best bolthole during the coming Ice Age) why not think of New > >Zealand? The world's best kept secret is an English-speaking high-tech > >liberal democracy located on a group of three major islands in the Pacific, > >with a population of four million in a land area the size of the British > >Isles (pop. 60m). Green, clean and pristine, with scenery to die for - Lord > >of the Rings was shot here - the climate ranges from semi-tropical to > >temperate. > > You're right, by all accounts. That movie had Americans calling their > travel agencies trying to book a holiday in Rivendell. And now you've gone and told them where it is! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] f-250 conversion/diesel engine biofuel primer
Thank you thats a start. what about m.p.g.does that stay the same also it seems to me that running on svo or wvo would be better then running bd,but it seems a high number are running on bd.Why? -Original Message- From: Kenneth Kron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:40 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] f-250 conversion/diesel engine biofuel primer SVO - Straight Vegetable oil - "virgin" or unused vegetable oil. WVO - Waste Vegetable oil - Oil that has been used to fry food. Biodiesel - A renewable fuel made from fatty acids (oils). Biofuel pros svo, wvo are reasonably equiv. to BD for this list with two exceptions: 1) there has been alot more testing done specifically on biodiesel 2) While the diesel engine was invented to be run on vegetable oil it, WVO i snot equivalent to straight peanut oil. * Biodiesel use increase international stability as opposed to decreasing it as petro fuel does. * Biodiesel use reduces the risk of fuel transportation disasters as it requires less transport and is significantly less toxic. * Biodiesel is less expensive than petrodiesel to deliver to American markets * Biodiesel use along with conservation is the cost effective way to immediately reduce our dependence on middle east oil * Biodiesel combustion produces over 60% fewer pollutants than petrodiesel, over 90% fewer carcinogens and is not a net green house gas contributor. * Biodiesel removes an entire class of acid rain producing smog from diesel exhaust * Biodiesel when used as a petroleum diesel additive at rates of between 5% & 20% is already an accepted product in the petroleum diesel market-place * According to some estimates the US can produce enough biodiesel to meet more than 20% of it's fuel needs and all of it's current diesel fuel needs * Biodiesel production is less dangerous than petroleum fuel production * Biodiesel production creates almost no pollution * Biodiesel from WVO has a higher lubricity and cetane rating than petrodiesel and is otherwise comparable or superior in performance when used in diesel engines * Biodiesel production from WVO reduces demands on landfills * Biodiesel exhaust actually has a pleasant aroma * Biodiesel is 1/10th as toxic as table salt and biodegrades like dextrose with up to 98% biodegredation in 3 weeks * Biodiesel is one of the most cost effective ways to reduce exhaust pollution from smaller and inexpensive engines Depending on your engine, climate and who you ask, SVO/WVO can be mixed with diesel (petro or bio). SVO/WVO kits cost between $600-$1200+, pay the upfront costs, take additional risks on warranty coverage, mostly because the hardware changes advertise that you did something interesting and get a payback rate dependent on how much fuel you use. Biofuel cons: * People will look at you strangely and say your vehicle smells nice. * People who love the smell of burning petro will say somethings wrong with your truck. * The US engine manufacturers association says they don't warranty biodiesel or VO even though they don't warranty any other fuel either and in the California at least the burden of proof is on the warranty provider to show that the users action caused the damage. * Crown Prince* *Abdullah, OPEC and the Bush clan will suffer a minute decrease in their net worth if every day 100 people switch from petro fuels to biofuels. See http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=diesel+vegetable+ oil+conversion+kits&btnG=Search for most of the manufacturers of VO kits. VO kits are sensitive to oil quality as they rely on relationships between oil temperature and viscosity. Kenneth Kron Founder Bay Area Biofuel www.bayareabiofuel.com benet208 wrote: >I have a 97 7.3 Ford F-250 diesel.Can anybody tell me pros&cons of >changing over?also would like to know to what,biofuel,svo,wvo or >whatever els their is.thank you. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Re: [biofuel] stanadyne pump compatability
roosa master is made by stanadyne. and yes, that is the pump used on at least the 6.2 and the 6.5 - i have no experience with the 5.7 engine. i have also heard that the distributor type pump is not good for running on either SVO or WVO. i don't know why and have no first-hand experience either way. erik --- robert luis rabello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Best I can tell the pump in my vehicle is a > "distributor type" > > Stanadyne pump. If I am wrong on that point, > someone please correct > > me! > > > From what I remember, the fuel injector pump on > the 5.7, 6.2 and 6.5 > is a Roosa Master. I don't know why distributor > type fuel injection > pumps would have problems on biodiesel, though I > imagine the close > tolerances of such a device might cause problems > with WVO after it had > cooled down. But that would simply entail running > biodiesel or standard > diesel through the pump for a few moments to clean > out the hot WVO > before shutting down, would it not? > > Once, when I was seriously looking at a 6.5 > turbo diesel, I > contacted Ed Beggs about a SVO conversion for that > engine. He told me > at the time that he'd had no experience with this > family of engines. > Since this is Ed's business, I hedged on buying the > truck and it sold to > someone else. > > > Thanks for any info or especially experiences if > anyone is > > already burning these fuels using a motor and pump > similar to mine, > > thanks again!!! > > I would also like to know! > > > robert luis rabello > "The Edge of Justice" > Adventure for Your Mind > http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Algae farming for oil $
Does your model work on a small scale? Let's say I have a 50x50 pond in my back yard. How much oil will that produce over the year based on a summer growing season. How deep is the pond? What kind of process am I looking at for extracting the oil? - bfn - JAW Marc Orion Cardoso wrote: > -- > Dear pieter, > we have perhaps the only ,and certainly, the most comprehensive > manual on growing algae. $180.00 U.S.. this manual is for the serious > person doing due dillegance into the feasability and technology of > algaeculture.It covers growing rechniques for various lipid (oil) > producing algae as well as growing Tilapia fish which are used to > provide nutrients for the algae as well as a highly profitable value > added product. see our website for data relating to the closed loop > ecosystems in which we grow the algae and tilapia fish in a mutually > symbiotic relationship. surprisnigly, the algae manual is our > biggest selling manual despite the cost. for more on our manuals go > to the product description page on our website just google for > ecogenics or go to www dabney.com/ecogenics/ for more on our > technologies. > Marc > > > > > > > > - In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Pieter Koole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Hi all, >>Can anyone give me some more information about growing algae ? >>Met dank en vriendelijke groet, >>Pieter Koole >>Netherlands >> >>The information contained in this message (including attachments) is >>confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) >>only. If you have received this message in error please delete it > > and > >>notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, > > disclosure, > >>copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We > > will not be > >>liable for direct, special, indirect or >>consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of > > this > >>message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as > > a result > >>of any virus being passed on. >> >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "Marc Orion Cardoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 12:55 AM >>Subject: [biofuel] Re: Algae farming for oil $ >> >> >> >>>-- >>> we have been growing various species for years under a wide > > variety > >>>of climatic conditions...now we are developing separation and >>>processing technology we do not have cost figures as of yet that > > are > >>>definitive. >>> Marc >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "John Woolsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > Okay here is a question: What would the price of the oil be for Algae farmed oil? Someone here said they had been doing this stuff for years. What is your price for various quantities? Is it cheaper than Soy oil etc? - bfn - JAW >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> >>>Biofuels list archives: >>>http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ >>> >>>Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >>>To unsubscribe, send an email to: >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Deze e-mail is door E-mail VirusScanner van Planet Internet > > gecontroleerd > >>op virussen. >> >>>Op http://www.planet.nl/evs staat een verwijzing naar de actuele > > lijst > >>waar op wordt gecontroleerd. >> >>> > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
