Grass fed beef hamburger with organic lettuce, tomato and pickle (on the
side)... Ice cold lemonade with a sprig of mint... Hammock in the shade...
Please bring to Aloha Oregon... I've been wanting to meet you...
lezlie/Aloha OR
At 07:06 PM 6/19/04 +0900, you wrote:
SUBJECT: Re: request for
Keith,
Having been a list memeber on various lists with yahoo over the past
10 years I am well aware of these kind of mess ups. And Yahoo is
known for lending a deaf ear to anything that doesn't effect them
personally.
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Greetings all,
I'm planning to build a small ethanol still (http://www.moonshine-
still.com/still.pdf). Anyone know of a reputable source of raschig
rings, or have any other recommendations for still packing material?
(steel wool?)
Ben
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Greetings all,
I am planning to build a small ethanol still,
http://www.moonshine-still.com/still.pdf, and would like to know if
anyone can recommend a reputable source of raschig rings, or have any
ideas of substitutes? (steel wool?)
Ben
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Hi ,
Maybe somebody can help me with this query.
I am about to make my first batch of boidiesel from 50 litres of WVO. I
have made a few small 1 litre batches from this oil already and everything
worked fine. The WVO looked very clean as I took it from the top of the
barrel. When I was decanting
Todd,
Thanks for the thoughts. I had totally ignored the left over moisture
from the washing on the next reaction batch.
A follow up thought: If the reaction is complete (say with an acid/base
process) would not pump mixing be just or more effective than mist or
bubble washing? Even though
thanks Brian I'm doing another test batch and so far looks like black stuff on
the botton..in the middle looks like ligth brown with gummy stuff and a litle
bit on top of something like biodiesel but I'm not sure yet.I'll wait till
tomorrow to see what looks like...thanks anyway
I own a
you can get a small distillers permit if you have no criminal record,
it allows you to make up to 10,000 gallons of ethanol for fuel for
your own use. the fee is $25.00 of course ,this assumes that you are
in the Usa. if you arent, do it anyway as long as you denature it
immediatly with lye
Hakan / Keith,
What has happened, somebody hack the group??? I know that yesterday I had 250+
messages it took time to sort them out. I wasn't sure if that was the result
of the hacker, or it was normal e-mail.
Gregg
- Original Message -
From: Hakan Falk
To:
would you know how strong the lye is? I am looking at worst case
scenario
for our world so I don't think government will have anything to do
with the
ethanol.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
Hello,
if you are looking at the worst case scenarios, have a look at the
caveman chemistry book, might
Dear friends,
I just bought an 89 Ford diesel with the intention of running veggie oil
or used oil instead of diesel. I understand that veggie oil is cleaner, so
hope to go that route. My question is this: If I heat the veggie oil in its
own tank with a radiator source heat coil in the
Actually Glycerol is one of the intermediate steps in the complex
enzyme reactions we know (and love) as yeast fermentation
Yeast MAKE glycerol(glycerine) from sugar before they make ethanol.
So any glycerine can be converted to ethanol by introducing it
(hopefully as purified as possible)
As in burning SVO or filtered WVO in an oil furnace to heat my house
and domestic hot water as a substitute for home heating oil
Is converting to Bio-D necissary?
I can even live with cutting the SVO/WVO with heating oil,
Diesel (either Dino or Bio) or kerosene...
If I could convert SOME
Hello Allan, welcome
The biodiesel by-product cocktail is a mixture of
glycerine, soap, the catalyst (lye or KOH) and the
excess methanol.
I was aware of that.
is basically the same process as seperating ethanol from water.
If you mean distillation, it's only the same up to a point, and
Can you make Bio diesel thin Enough for a small model airplane
engine? Jeffrey
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DEAR BALAJI,
Your message on SYNNTHESIS OFMETHANOL was very informative and useful
I would appreciate if you or any one from our group could provide me
process of utilizing the shells of pongamia in to methanol as of now
we are planing to process bio-diesel in big way, since about 50% of
the
balaji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Art,
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From: Art Krenzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Making Methanol from Glycerin ( was Re: Biodiesel
Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans )
Bob,
I
Hi folks
I'm new to this game and have just bought an old London taxi. It's a
Fairway with the 2.7 litre Nissan engine. Has anyone converted one of
these to run on SVO (twin tank)? If so, did you use a kit and which
one? Is there anyone in Southeast England who would do it for me for
a
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 05:39 pm, Jerome Mathevet wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So, does that apply to Tourists also??? (says he that is going to
France, will be driving a Peugeot 307 diesel)
Could you be
This question is probably a repeat, however, I haven't found the answer.
If I'm driving on straight veggie oil and I run low . can I simply stop
at a market and buy new oil and dump it into the tank or should new be
pre-filtered to 5 microns too?
Thanks
Jon
Burlington, Vermont
A
a colleague at work was discarding a few used 45 gal steel drums.
Some had a swollen bottom, perfect for draining glycerin
biodiesel. It turns out that those ones were full of water. Over
winter, they froze and the ice swelled distorted the drums at
their weakest point.
There you go! So
I wondered what happened.I opened my e mail and had over four hundred in two
days!No problem!
Yahoo just increased everyones free storage.So that may be why they were slow
to respond.They always assume that your the one thats confused,not them!
I may have to change boards.I actually agree with you.
Rico
Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
how do i choose digest mode?
First, you take a powder to recover from your sick[ness] over what you
self-centeredly declare to be useless
Hi John,
Sorry, don't agree with your suggestion that nuclear energy
is somehow less polluting than fossil fuel sources. The exact opposite is
true. As James Bellini said (in his excellent book High Tech Holocaust,
published '86) the nuclear process creates an open-ended problem
Hi Keith/Kim/Hakan,
Thanks for your quick comeback on solar cookers, and the
plethora of information on the JTF website. Was intrigued to find
foxhole radios there. I downloaded the info and will spend some
pleasurable hours in the workshop knocking up a solar cooker and a radio.
This email response seems to have gotton lost in the wash ;-) so I figured
I send it again.
Steve
Todd,
Thanks for the thoughts. I had totally ignored the left over moisture
from the washing on the next reaction batch.
A follow up thought: If the reaction is complete (say with an acid/base
FWIW, Fedex is now running a fleet of diesel-electric hybrids in I can't
remember which vehicle, possibly the sprinter van. The city of Detroit
has been running a version of their 5.9L Cummins engine as a
diesel-electric hybrid for years in city busses which only increases
average MPG from 5 to
Im not getting any biofuel messages either.
ABW
Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm just waitin for 300 messages to show up --
but they haven't yet. I actually had a virus
attack over the weekend -- watched my emails
disappear upwards before my very eyes, just
like a spy film (y'know,
I am gett'in the list email .
James
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Ken Provost wrote:
I'm just waitin for 300 messages to show up --
but they haven't yet. I actually had a virus
attack over the weekend -- watched my emails
disappear upwards before my very eyes, just
like a spy film (y'know,
Howdy, all. Ken,I don't think we will ever be back to
what we considered to be normal. I read the other day
where Bill Gates had offered a few million $,for
information leading to the arrest of any virus making
sending slime. The article said they had caught an
18year old,in Germany. At the time
Published on Thursday, June 17, 2004 by the Guardian/UK
Oil Chief: My Fears for Planet
Shell Boss's 'Confession' Shocks Industry
by David Adam
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0617-01.htm
The head of one of the world's biggest oil companies has admitted that the
threat of
BIOX hit the papers again. My grandparents in Hamilton sent me two articles
that were run the same day (June 11) in the Hamilton spectator, talking
about a $5 million dollar grant being put up by Sustainable Development
Technology Canada. The picture on the article is of Federal Finance
Well Ken,
I'm here and very new to the whole thing. However, I have to do something. I
have a 450 SEL with a BIG V8 and plan to buy a Ford F350 with a diesle in it
to use biofuel that I plan to make. So any advise would be very helpful!
Thanks,
Jonathan
Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyway, are we back to normal yet? Will we ever be
normal AGAIN?:-) -K
More importantly, were we ever normal to begin with?
-BRAH
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Please any 1!!!
I need to do my first test baches but the problem I had is to find
methanol in small quantities. Like 1 gallon or so.
I have my Red devil LYE , I have cooking oil (virgin) but no
methanol!!
I willing to pay if someone can send me by mail.
Yahoo!
No, Ken. Nobody here except the four of us. I guess this must be
the end of the world as we knew it, eh?
Best
Stuart
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm just waitin for 300 messages to show up --
but they haven't yet. I actually had a virus
attack
Hey all,
New around here, but have been doing plenty of reading. One thing I
haven't been able to find out about is how to mount a diesel engine
into a gas car. Specifically I love the 88-91 honda crx, and would
like to buy just a chasis of that car, and drop in a small diesel engine.
So I'd
After the deluge of old mails, my inbox has been near empty the last 2
days since I got back. Are things back to normal or have we all taken a
vow of silence?
Btw Keith, hope the move was smooth, looks a nice tranquil place you
have there, lucky guy!
Malcolm
[Non-text portions of this
My source of biodiesel in Utah failed. I need to get 10 gallons for my trip
to Alaska,
I am taking I-15 north to Canada and beyond.
Ernie Rogers
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Hi all,
A question for those on the list who have better chemistry backgrounds
than me. When distilling ethanol, you can't get 100% ethanol, you always
end up with water present. Is is possible to send this combined liquid
through a centrifuge and remove this approximately 10% of
Before the invasion of Iraq, I pointed out in different ways and times the
following,
Iraq consist of 80% women and children under 16 years old. This as a result
of the Iraq and Iran war, supported by US. The first Gulf war and the
blockade of food and medical supply. It is true that there
Subject: I am a new user, environmentally concerned
This is a great opportunity to stay in touch with people with similar concern.
I have been following up biofuel related things for quite some time. Thank you
all of you are committed to keep our earth a better place to live.
ST
visit
Hello everybody..
Can anyboby tell me..When I boil the Biodiesel and the glycerin to recover some
methanol thru the condenser,what do I get?It is supoosed to be methanol but How
can I be sure.Water and methanol mix?Is it Methanol or It has any water in
it?How can you tell the diference?Can I
Andrew
Centrifuges wont work. You need to use a
molecular sieve.
Mark
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Do you know of anyone in the whole realm of this
group who has ever used a supercritical reactor?
As in anywhere?
Mark
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Hi Andrew,
Post to you direct as well the list is in a little strife at the moment
I have experience with fuel and oil centrifuges from my navy time, the
centrifuge probably wont separate the water from ethanol as it will be
bonded to the ethanol, I would use a substance called zeolite 3A grade,
Try copper or stainless kitchen scrubbers, available at most hardware /
household stores. Ordinary steel wool might cause problems.
Good luck
Malcolm
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From: benjinsl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 June 2004 15:46
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel]
Hi Andrew,
Post to you direct as well the list is in a little strife at the
moment
I have experience with fuel and oil centrifuges from my navy time,
the
centrifuge probably wont separate the water from ethanol as it will
be
bonded to the ethanol, I would use a substance called zeolite 3A
Got this off line response, when I answered it came back with mailbox not
found. Obviously it is an other of those persons need to hide behind false
personalities. Since it is someone who read the list, here is my answer on
line.
Hakan
---
Rob,
Can you tell me why
Hear hear!
I agree 100%, I remember your earlier post and thought about how the mASS
media completely overlooked this point- that 10 years ago we were killing
these people, and why would they have a sudden change of heart? No, we would
be looked upon as some kind of usurper, with their oil fields
Virtually any compatible material can be used as column packing. Broken up
ceramic coffee mugs, glass, marbles, short sections of small diameter pipe
(this is very similar to raschig rings), pieces of metal, like I said damn near
anything. Raschig rings are simply optimal packing as they are
I just ran across an EPA run website where you can look up the EPA rated
mileage and Air Pollution Score (pounds of smog forming pollution per 15k
miles). For some reason every recent VW TDI scored markedly worse then their
gas counterparts. In some cases the diesels are shown to produce
the best and most efficent way is to run the alcohol through a molecular sieve
3a
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:14:01 +1000, Andrew Lowe wrote:
*Hi all,
* A question for those on the list who have better chemistry backgrounds
*than me. When distilling ethanol, you can't get 100% ethanol,
Anyway, are we back to normal yet? Will we ever be
normal AGAIN?:-) -K
As Brah asked, were we ever normal in the first place? LOL!
Well, anyway... The attack on the list did not end with the Denial
of Service flood of old emails, it went on, we got nuked and left
for dead. A lot of
Hello Hakan
I'm sorry you had this bother, thanks for dealing with it. Quite
right too. Please send me this person's address offlist.
For anyone else who might feel the same as Rob does, please read this:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/35681/
The membership as a whole is solidly
Hi,
Is there any backyard Biodiesel makers in the Michigan area that can help
me. I am having a problem that I just can't get figured out. I would like to
talk or meet with you to see if you can tell me what I am doing wrong. I
have made some fuel and had no problems doing it and all
At 11:24 AM 6/20/2004, you wrote:
Hello,
if you are looking at the worst case scenarios, have a look at the
caveman chemistry book, might be interesting for you.
http://cavemanchemistry.com/cavebook/
Greetings,
Many thanks for this website, it is a treasure.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
A while back, someone had said here that HEET gas line antifreeze is
actually just pure methanol. That's what I used for my first couple
of test batches. They didn't turn out, which I think is a problem
with the NaOH that I bought, not the methanol. Of course, I can't be
absolutely sure
HEET comes in 2 packages. One red, and one Yellow. Read the labels
for the methanol. It is 99% methanol.
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on 6/19/04 7:46 AM, benjinsl at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greetings all,
I'm planning to build a small ethanol still (http://www.moonshine-
still.com/still.pdf). Anyone know of a reputable source of raschig
rings, or have any other recommendations for still packing material?
(steel wool?)
on 6/23/04 9:14 PM, Andrew Lowe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
A question for those on the list who have better chemistry backgrounds
than me. When distilling ethanol, you can't get 100% ethanol, you always
end up with water present. Is is possible to send this combined liquid
through
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually Glycerol is one of the intermediate steps in the complex
enzyme reactions we know (and love) as yeast fermentation
Are you sure about that? Glycerol is produced in small amounts via
reduction of glyceraldehyde during glycolysis, but constitutes a
Can anyone please help me find out assistance on biofuel production in India?
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I have methanol, I recently bought 55 gal for making biodiesel. I would
consider selling a couple of gal. To ship methanol is very expensive due to it
being a hazaedeous material. I'm located in Powder Springs, GA . Note
veterans Oil Co. in Austell sell 55 gal drums of methanol
not
Lye is not a denaturant, the ethanol can still be reclaimed. To denature
ethanol, liquids that have similar boiling points condensing points, that even
distillation will be hard to remove, have to be used, like methanol, gasoline,
and a few other things as well. The denaturant used must not
On Thursday, June 24, 2004, at 09:13 AM, Greg Harbican wrote:
For BATF, to consider ethanol to be denatured, you must use
one of the approved formulas, such as:
Formula #1) To every 100 gal of ethanol add;
5 gal wood alcohol.
Formula #3A) To every 100 gal of ethanol;
5 gal methyl
FWIW, Fedex is now running a fleet of diesel-electric hybrids in I can't
remember which vehicle, possibly the sprinter van. The city of Detroit
has been running a version of their 5.9L Cummins engine as a
diesel-electric hybrid for years in city busses which only increases
average MPG from 5 to
Hi Tomas, Kim and all
would you know how strong the lye is? I am looking at worst case
scenario
for our world so I don't think government will have anything to do
with the
ethanol.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
Hello,
if you are looking at the worst case scenarios, have a look at the
Hello Dale
Dear friends,
I just bought an 89 Ford diesel with the intention of running veggie oil
or used oil instead of diesel. I understand that veggie oil is cleaner, so
hope to go that route. My question is this: If I heat the veggie oil in its
own tank with a radiator source heat
Hallo Friends,
There is sometimes a comment on the list, usually from a newcomer,
that this is a biofuel list and that we ought to be discussing
biofuels rather than politics or religion or whatever.
I would like to suggest that rational discussion of anything which can
lead to
Hi Ben!
You've asked a good question maybe you should check this out:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/distillers/?keywords=raschig+ring+sources
many hits including alternatives such as glass beads or steel pot scrubbers.
benjinsl wrote:
Greetings all,
I am planning to build a small ethanol
Thanks. I thought I had seen that here before.
While on the subject, the NaOH I bought was listed as NaOH Purum
on the Fisher web site. The ingredient list mentioned only sodium
hydroxide, so I thought it was pure. As mentioned, test batches
with virgin oil and with the two step process
John,
I see Martin has already pointed out a couple of websites to contradict your
postulations with facts. I particularly like Chip Gribben's article on the
topic.
It's been a stopper for the electric cars pollute more than gas cars myth for
some years now.
However, I want to take issue
Thanks, Gustl. I couldn't agree more. I often see things that I
don't agree with here. When it happens, I often (but not always)
comment. I try to restrict my comments to areas in which I have
some knowledge or a strong opinion. When it is opinion, I do my
best to express it that way. I
[Edited to change subject heading - KA]
No problem Keith.
Though I did wonder what da heck. when it happened.
Curtis
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- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear all
My apologies
Hmmm. I wonder if it's possible to convert biomass to Methanol (THEN the
resulting methanol plus WVO equals Biodiesel)
That would make it possible to make Biodiesel without relying on
commercial anything-at-all. Living totally off-the-land.
Curtis
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