[Biofuel] Gasoline Prices
In my part of SE. OHIO gas is $2.05 , Diesel is $2.23 at BP and EXXON and has been for 3 weeks Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Canadian Trash
Believe it or not, this all makes sense. And what's more, I'm getting an education from a fine gentleman in Thailand!! Now then, just who the heck came up with the term 'centrifugal force' if it non-existant? John Niagara Falls -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Guag Meister Sent: October 27, 2004 8:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Canadian Trash Hi John ; John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool. This is the first time I've heard these things explained this way. Can I ask: Just what is the equivilent description of centrifugal force? Does it apply to me spinning a pail of water such that the water doesn't fall out? Just satifying my thirst for knowledge :-) Ask away. No problem. I usually ponder things like this until they make sense. Makes some people crazy. Hmm. Let's see. Let's say you contruct a metal frame with a bucket of water hanging like a swing in the center. The bucket is free to swing any way it wants to. Now we mount this frame and swinging bucket of water on a rocket sled. If we accelerate the rocket sled at g (9.8m/sec2), the bucket will swing towards the back of the sled at a 45 degree angle. If we do it smoothly, no water will spill out. Other rates of acceleration will produce other angles of swing, higher acceleration will swing more, lower accelertations will swing less. The amount of swing would be proportional to the ratio of sled acceleration to g. If we really accelerate the sled at a very high rate, the bucket will swing out almost to a horizontal position and no water will spill. No one would call this centrifugal force, right? But the bucket wants to remain stationary, and so resists the acceleration caused by the rocket sled. No one would call this centifugal force. Now if we swing the bucket around us in a circle and we accelerate the bucket at a rate of g (same 9.8m/sec2), the same thing will happen, ie. the bucket will swing out at a 45 degree angle and no water will spill. The string is putting a force on the bucket towards the center of the circle in the same way as the rocket sled was putting a force on the bucket towards the front of the sled The bucket in turn is putting a force on the water, exactly as in the rocket sled example. The only difference is that the force of circular acceleration is at RIGHT ANGLES to the direction of motion. The bucket wants to continue in a straight line, and the string is putting a force on the bucket at right angle to its direction. This results in changing direction rather than changing speed. The force of acceleration in the rocket sled example is ALONG (parallel to) the direction of motion. This results in changing speed rather than changing direction. However, both are accelerations. If there was such a thing as centrifugal force, it would also describe the rocket sled example. There is no such thing. Hope we haven't gotten too far off topic. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Guag Meister Sent: October 26, 2004 1:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Canadian Trash Hi Eric ; Eric wrote : I really don't understand this assertion. (And I saw it on the web pages from scientists as well.) Saying that the force is an illusion. If you put a spring between my hand and the ball it would compress. A spring needs a force pushing it from both ends to do that. No exceptions. This is a good question. I guess that the word illusion is maybe not a good choice, in that you feel it. But your hand is supplying the force to the ball. not the other way around. Your hand by itself couldn't do it anyway. Your hand is connected to your body which is connected to your feet which are hopefully stationary on the ground due to friction of your shoes. When you push the ball, the force you are suppling to the ball is transmitted in the opposite direction to your feet and ultimately to the earth. The earth will move slightly in the opposaite direction (like 1e-20 meters, depending on the acceleration of the ball). I have yet another way to describe this. Let's say you are standing on the earth and you fire a bullet horizontally. What happens? The bullet wants to go straight, but it is acted on by gravity. So it begins to fall toward the surface of the earth while moving at high speed horizontally. Now the surface of the earth is curved, so as the bullet moves horizontally a lot and falls a liittle, the surface of the earth is falling away from the bullet due to the surface curvature. There is NEVER any centrifugal force. What is happening for an object in orbit is that the object is falling towards the earth exactly as fast as the surface of the earth is falling away. The object moves horizontally and falls a little. The surface of the earth has fallen a
RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles
Question: I know, from much discussion on the lists, that the energy needed to produce hydrogen really isn't worth it in terms of oil/coal terms. But, is it (theoretically) possible to use most of the available hydro generated electricity to make hydrogen such that all vehicles / homes / businesses rely on hydrogen for there energy needs (assuming improved consumption conservation)? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of info Sent: October 27, 2004 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles DaimlerChrysler Commits to Putting More Fuel Cell Vehicles on the Road http://www.alternate-energy.net/more_fuelcell_cars04.html California Unveils State's First Hydrogen Refueling Station http://www.alternate-energy.net/hydrogen_station04.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ news resources forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles
Peggy, Sounds very interesting. When can you bring this to South Florida ?:-) Dan V -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peggy Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles Until we have more data, I hesitate to expound, but... there is limitless energy that can be captured from ocean waves. We are on our way to proving a new technological advantage in capturing energy and transforming that energy into whatever use we desire. Our OSWEC (Ocean Swells and Waves Energy Conversion) generator just keeps on pumping. Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mullan Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles Question: I know, from much discussion on the lists, that the energy needed to produce hydrogen really isn't worth it in terms of oil/coal terms. But, is it (theoretically) possible to use most of the available hydro generated electricity to make hydrogen such that all vehicles / homes / businesses rely on hydrogen for there energy needs (assuming improved consumption conservation)? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of info Sent: October 27, 2004 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles DaimlerChrysler Commits to Putting More Fuel Cell Vehicles on the Road http://www.alternate-energy.net/more_fuelcell_cars04.html California Unveils State's First Hydrogen Refueling Station http://www.alternate-energy.net/hydrogen_station04.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ news resources forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles
Until we have more data, I hesitate to expound, but... there is limitless energy that can be captured from ocean waves. We are on our way to proving a new technological advantage in capturing energy and transforming that energy into whatever use we desire. Our OSWEC (Ocean Swells and Waves Energy Conversion) generator just keeps on pumping. Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mullan Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles Question: I know, from much discussion on the lists, that the energy needed to produce hydrogen really isn't worth it in terms of oil/coal terms. But, is it (theoretically) possible to use most of the available hydro generated electricity to make hydrogen such that all vehicles / homes / businesses rely on hydrogen for there energy needs (assuming improved consumption conservation)? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of info Sent: October 27, 2004 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles DaimlerChrysler Commits to Putting More Fuel Cell Vehicles on the Road http://www.alternate-energy.net/more_fuelcell_cars04.html California Unveils State's First Hydrogen Refueling Station http://www.alternate-energy.net/hydrogen_station04.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ news resources forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Electoral Vote 10-27-04 [Excerpt]
Rasmussen did a survey asking people if they were worried about a Florida-style mess again this year. The results are that 48% of the Kerry voters are worried about this as well as 16% of the Bush voters. I think it is very disturbing when a third of the electorate have doubts about whether there will be a fair election. No doubt these fears are enhanced when election officials reject voter registrations because the paper was the wrong weight. And having states go to court to fight for the right to discard provisional ballots cast by voters in the wrong precinct (for example, because they have moved) doesn't exactly send the message that every vote is important. The [1]BBC has scooped the U.S. media by obtaining a secret document that reports on more upcoming voter suppression activities, possibly in violation of U.S. law. The [2]Los Angeles Times has a story today that explains why this election is so much more emotionally charged than previous ones. It is not about economics, but part of a cultural war. A new LA Times poll shows Bush doing well among lower and middle income whites, whereas Kerry leads among whites earning more than $100,000 a year despite his promise to roll back the Bush tax cuts for people making more than $200,000 a year. As president, Bush has enacted big tax cuts for the rich but the rich are voting for Kerry . What's up here? The same poll shows that 2/3 of the people who attend a house of worship at least once a week are voting for Bush, whereas 60% of those who attend religious services less than once a week are voting for Kerry, in part because these voters recoil at Bush's constant use of religious imagery. Lower income whites like Bush's proposal to ban gay marriage but only a quarter believe his policies have been good for the economy. In contrast, affluent whites who have benefitted the most from the Bush tax cuts believe Bush's policies have hurt the economy. In short, far more than in previous years, economic policy is taking a back seat to cultural issues. The real divide seems to be between deeply religious lower income, lower education, voters living in small towns and rural areas who have conservative values on abortion and gay marriage versus higher income, higher education, secular, urban voters who have progressive views on cultural issues. Maybe James Carville was wrong: It's NOT the economy, stupid. With this background and the fact that eight of the nine Supreme Court justices are past the traditional retirement age of 65 and four of them have been treated for cancer, it is likely that the choice of who the next president will nominate to the Court will weigh increasingly heavily on the minds of many voters as we approach election day. For more on this issue, see this [3]story also, in the LA Times. References 1. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3956129.stm 2. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-poll26oct26.story 3. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-scotus26oct26.story Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII [1]Fahrenheit 9/11 [2]The Son Also Rises [3]As Oprah Slaps Bush [4]From Crawford, TX [5]kcom.gif References 1. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=knoton-20path=ASIN/B5JNEI/knoton-20?creative=327641camp=14573link_code=as1 2. http://www.knoton.com/den/TheSonAlsoRises.html 3. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2004/10/13/notes101304.DTL 4. http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/Columns/Editorial/editorial39.htm 5. http://www.knoton.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Canadian Trash
Centrifugal force is an illusion... this many have mentioned on this site. I thought I'd add that centrifugal force is the illusion that water in a bucket, when spun around in a circle wants to stay on the bottom of the bucket (or away from center) and we think that the force is moving that way. Centripetal force is a force applied toward the center of the circle. The water in the bucket wants to travel in a straight line, but the bottom of the bucket acts on the water to keep it in the circle. The force is not the water on the bucket, but rather the bucket on the water. As far as angular velocity and how it is stronger at the equator... Yes, it is, but I'm guessing that since the mass of the earth is so huge, and that gravity is a function of mass, the angular momentum is neglegible... perhaps this explains the slight bulge in the equator... instead of having the earth pressed into a giant spinning disk... Original Message Follows From: John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Canadian Trash Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:24:33 -0400 Believe it or not, this all makes sense. And what's more, I'm getting an education from a fine gentleman in Thailand!! Now then, just who the heck came up with the term 'centrifugal force' if it non-existant? John Niagara Falls -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Guag Meister Sent: October 27, 2004 8:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Canadian Trash Hi John ; John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool. This is the first time I've heard these things explained this way. Can I ask: Just what is the equivilent description of centrifugal force? Does it apply to me spinning a pail of water such that the water doesn't fall out? Just satifying my thirst for knowledge :-) Ask away. No problem. I usually ponder things like this until they make sense. Makes some people crazy. Hmm. Let's see. Let's say you contruct a metal frame with a bucket of water hanging like a swing in the center. The bucket is free to swing any way it wants to. Now we mount this frame and swinging bucket of water on a rocket sled. If we accelerate the rocket sled at g (9.8m/sec2), the bucket will swing towards the back of the sled at a 45 degree angle. If we do it smoothly, no water will spill out. Other rates of acceleration will produce other angles of swing, higher acceleration will swing more, lower accelertations will swing less. The amount of swing would be proportional to the ratio of sled acceleration to g. If we really accelerate the sled at a very high rate, the bucket will swing out almost to a horizontal position and no water will spill. No one would call this centrifugal force, right? But the bucket wants to remain stationary, and so resists the acceleration caused by the rocket sled. No one would call this centifugal force. Now if we swing the bucket around us in a circle and we accelerate the bucket at a rate of g (same 9.8m/sec2), the same thing will happen, ie. the bucket will swing out at a 45 degree angle and no water will spill. The string is putting a force on the bucket towards the center of the circle in the same way as the rocket sled was putting a force on the bucket towards the front of the sled The bucket in turn is putting a force on the water, exactly as in the rocket sled example. The only difference is that the force of circular acceleration is at RIGHT ANGLES to the direction of motion. The bucket wants to continue in a straight line, and the string is putting a force on the bucket at right angle to its direction. This results in changing direction rather than changing speed. The force of acceleration in the rocket sled example is ALONG (parallel to) the direction of motion. This results in changing speed rather than changing direction. However, both are accelerations. If there was such a thing as centrifugal force, it would also describe the rocket sled example. There is no such thing. Hope we haven't gotten too far off topic. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Guag Meister Sent: October 26, 2004 1:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Canadian Trash Hi Eric ; Eric wrote : I really don't understand this assertion. (And I saw it on the web pages from scientists as well.) Saying that the force is an illusion. If you put a spring between my hand and the ball it would compress. A spring needs a force pushing it from both ends to do that. No exceptions. This is a good question. I guess that the word illusion is maybe not a good choice, in that you feel it. But your hand is supplying the force to the ball. not the other way around. Your hand by itself couldn't do it anyway. Your hand is connected to your body which is connected to your
RE: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec
Hello Dan, We are not ready for philosophical discussions on this forum because it is centered on science. Yet, I have come to know that susceptibility to dis ease is belief based. But then beliefs are a different topic. I will be so relieved to be past the time of November 4th. The tension in this country is about to make everyone burst. The feel good feeling is being suppressed. Please know that our innate abilities are far greater than our attachments to any ism. Think about your personal contributions to #1,--yourself, then your family, then your community, and on up the scale. We all want a better global consciousness and, we, that are participating on this forum know that our awakening to universal truths is paramount in changing not only our personal worlds but in bettering the global consciousness. And so we banter, and babble... But when it comes to health, we must assume personal responsibility. Even in our accidents and life experiences. This philosophy may be too far out for some listers... yet at least they are now aware of an alternative that can be life changing if they accept that responsibility. Denial of personal responsibility gives power to others. Empower yourself. Enjoy your right to joy and happiness and health. It is a part of life if you let it be. It doesn't really matter who wins this election or whatever beliefs are thrust upon you by politicians, physicians, media, or your grandmother. You have the personal power to make your own future including your health. Be happy, be healthy and I salute the part of yourself that wants to enjoy the same. Love and light, Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Volker Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec Hi Kim, If it were just the issue of probiotics, I would agree with you 100%. The effectiveness of the Primal Defense is due to what they call Homeostatic soil Organisms. Here is a link discussing HSO's http://www.theultimateenzyme.com/hso.htm Primal Defense with its HSO's is far more powerful than Kefir, for anyone with bacterial or yeast problems. When I first bought Primal Defense, I decided to begin by taking three at one time, since the bottle said you could do a maintenance dose of 3 per day. What I did not read was the warning that the Primal Defense was so powerful, that they recommend starting with one per day, then 2 the second, and only going to 3 or higher when you feel ready to. By taking 3 my first day, at one time, I caused a massive kill off of yeast, and that caused flu like feelings of discomfort. By the next day this was replaced by feeling better than ever, but I read all the instructions before increasing dosage. Ultimately I was up to 15 per day for a month, and then dropped down to about 5 to 7 per day, depending on the food choices I have each day. Thanks largely to Primal defense, my system became far more efficient, I began losing fat and increasing fitness level in response to training ( I had been working out hard prior to the Primal Defense, but the results had plateued.) I went from 237 pounds in January to 200 pounds now, and I am back to being one of the faster mountain bikers around this area( now that I'm not carrying the fat, and am utilizing my food better with superior recovery). Regards, Dan Volker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Garth Travis Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec I am curious, and I don't mean to start a fight, but why would you pay for probiotics in a refined form when they are available, in a much better variety straight from Mother Nature? Kefir grains are probiotics, and they don't cost money. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:18 AM 10/27/2004, you wrote: Probiotics are something I researched heavily about 6 months ago, when I began using what I have found to be by far the best available. Here is one link which explains the product well in summary form, and there are many sites which explain the homeostatic soil organism concept at extreme detail..The probiotic I am referring to is called Primal Defense, made by Garden of Life...visit http://www.risingstarlc.com/pdindex.htm Also, regarding flu epidemics, shortages of vaccines, and the foolishness of using vaccines period, visit http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/20/flu_vaccine.htm Regards, Dan Volker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Legal Eagle Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec Muchas Gracias Kim; After having a peruse I may even want to give it a link in the Oragnics Section of my site or
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing
Hi Fritz ; I have access to a small regular supply of sawdust for free. Can you tell us a little about your process? Hydraulic or mechanical? What pressure? Is it homebuilt? Do you heat the die? How big is the die? Did you make the die yourself? How? Do the briquetts stay together when burning? How do you burn (fireplace, stove, gasify)? Are there any web links which explain the process that you use? Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greg, you dont need any additives to press Sawdust to Briquettes,i make Briquettes every Day with my Woodshavings only by compressing it Fritz - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Make BioDiesel, then use the glycerin glop as a binder and use a brick press to compress into a log/chunk, let harden Alternatively mix the saw dust with a drying oil or warm pitch or other similar substance ( shellac ?) that can be obtained locally, then compress with a prick press, then let harden. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 23:42 Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Greetings all I was sent this by an NGO in Sri Lanka. Any advice for them? They're not list members, but I'll forward any responses. Thanks! regards Keith From: National Development Foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Information on Sawdust processing Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:13:12 +0600 National Development Foundation 63/2, Yahampath Mawatha, Piliyandala Road, Maharagama, Sri Lanka. Tele: +(94)-011-5526679 or +(94)-011-5522776 E-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, October 25, 2004, Journey to Forever Organisation. Dear Sir/Madam, Ours is a Non-governmental, non-profit making organisation devoted to development through self-help development programmes. We also carryout environmental protection programmes with local communities in Sri Lanka. Recently we were informed of a long-standing problem in a suburban city, due to sawdust. There are large numbers of timber mills, carpentry workshops and woodwork centers in the area. They produce tons and tons of saw dust and dump them into the nearby lake polluting the area. Recently the government has no other alternative, but found another dumping site and the sawdust is now dumped in this site spending large sums of money for transportation. For a developing country like ours this type of spending is unaffordable. We have been trying to find a solution to re-cycle and use saw dust. As we understand, it is possible to make Sawdust Bars - fire logs, briquettes etc or even insulating boards if properly experimented. We were also made to understand that there are many organisations, private sector companies engaged in this business. We thought of searching for a simple technology that could be introduced to the low-income generation groups in the area, especially to the women, who could produce some type of an item to the market, could be a fire log, a briquette or an item that could be used in daily life. If we could introduce this type of a technology then it will help the poor to generate income. On the other side it will arrest the pollution problem in the area and save public money that is spent at present for clearing and dumping. Considering the above we are very much obliged if you could help us in finding a technological enterprise who would willing to conduct an investigation on this matter. Since ours is a NGO, we are unable to fund such a programme. If the programme proves to be successful, we may be able to convince a suitable and sympathetic funding agency to support the initial stages of this challenging project. I send an article as an attachment to this e-mail that describes the problem in the area. We sincerely hope that you will give your sympathetic consideration to this request. Thanking you and hoping to hear from you favourably, Sincerely yours, Upali Magedaragamage, Executive Director, NATIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOUNDATION. --- Attachment: Consuming the Bolgoda... : An eco-system in peril by RAPTI SIRIWARDANE-de ZOYSA Saturday, August 07, 2004 5:19:50 PM It has already been said a countless number of times, in a considerable number of ways by a numerous number of people, from journalists and environmentalists to the local communities inhabiting the area. For indeed, thanks to widespread
RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles
John, No, not with todays resources and within reasonable time frames. The nearly only way to start a hydrogen economy is to use oil, NG or coal as sources. US have only known oil resources (including Alaska) for 10 year of its own current use and NG for 7 years. US have 235 years of coal at current production. It is easy to deduct that the suggested clean hydrogen economy for US must use dirty coal for a foreseeable future. Kyoto would stand in the way to do this, without enormous investment in developing clean technologies, but that is not a problem, US did not sign Kyoto. LOL Hydrogen from renewable electrolysis of water. US have less than 10% of its electricity from such sources, around 6-8% hydro, less than 1% (closer to 0.5%) from wind. It is no way that US can keep their transportation going on the hydro generated electricity. It does not matter which way you turn, your behind is behind you. US can do a lot on conservation, at least cut their current energy use with 40%. It will however take time and US is still waiting for responsible leaders, that can build populous support for it. I guess that the current ones want to keep their Hummers. LOL I will never understand those terrorists, they must be stupid. Why kill and hurt people of US, when they are so good in doing it themselves. The only way to get improvements is to elect me as president, but I am not a US citizen and then it is impossible. There are not many of us foreigners that are concerned and want to help US. -:) http://energysavingnow.com/ Otherwise, please listen to Keith, Todd, Darryl and a bunch of other people on this list, that at least know what it all comes down to and working with real and ready for use solutions. Hakan At 01:34 AM 10/28/2004, you wrote: Question: I know, from much discussion on the lists, that the energy needed to produce hydrogen really isn't worth it in terms of oil/coal terms. But, is it (theoretically) possible to use most of the available hydro generated electricity to make hydrogen such that all vehicles / homes / businesses rely on hydrogen for there energy needs (assuming improved consumption conservation)? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of info Sent: October 27, 2004 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles DaimlerChrysler Commits to Putting More Fuel Cell Vehicles on the Road http://www.alternate-energy.net/more_fuelcell_cars04.html California Unveils State's First Hydrogen Refueling Station http://www.alternate-energy.net/hydrogen_station04.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ news resources forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Canadian Trash
Hi John ; John wrote : Now then, just who the heck came up with the term 'centrifugal force' if it is non-existant? Not sure. I grew up with centrifugal force. In college physics I had a mental block for centripetal force. Took a long time to get it resolved. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing
Hi Peter, my Rip and Sawdust (all dry less than 10%) is collected in a 5ft x 5ft x5ft Storagecontainer,with Airfilterbags abouve and the Briquettepress under. a continuos Screw like arm goes inside the Container around and fills the loading zylinder from there the Rip is pushed by a Piston in the Presszylinder. Than the Presspiston pushes the stock with 380bars in the Pressclamb,wich opens at a certain moment to let the pressed Briquette out.There is a 5 Kw 3 phase Motor,a Hydraulicpump and all Pistons are hydraulic activated. a pretty elaborated Controlpanel is coordinating the pressing. I heat my house with Briquettes and partly my Shop (illegal since i am not allowed to burn Waste in an industrial shop) The Briquettes come out bonehard and give a beautiful Fire,once in glow,the Briquettes are falling appart,but burn completely out,there is almost no ashes! A important prerequisit is,the Rip and the Sawdust must be Dry.The machine can not handle wet stock! you can look at my machine under www.spaenex.de go to Briquettepresses my Model is SHB50 if you need more info about dont hesitate to ask Fritz - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Hi Fritz ; I have access to a small regular supply of sawdust for free. Can you tell us a little about your process? Hydraulic or mechanical? What pressure? Is it homebuilt? Do you heat the die? How big is the die? Did you make the die yourself? How? Do the briquetts stay together when burning? How do you burn (fireplace, stove, gasify)? Are there any web links which explain the process that you use? Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greg, you dont need any additives to press Sawdust to Briquettes,i make Briquettes every Day with my Woodshavings only by compressing it Fritz - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Make BioDiesel, then use the glycerin glop as a binder and use a brick press to compress into a log/chunk, let harden Alternatively mix the saw dust with a drying oil or warm pitch or other similar substance ( shellac ?) that can be obtained locally, then compress with a prick press, then let harden. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 23:42 Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Greetings all I was sent this by an NGO in Sri Lanka. Any advice for them? They're not list members, but I'll forward any responses. Thanks! regards Keith From: National Development Foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Information on Sawdust processing Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:13:12 +0600 National Development Foundation 63/2, Yahampath Mawatha, Piliyandala Road, Maharagama, Sri Lanka. Tele: +(94)-011-5526679 or +(94)-011-5522776 E-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, October 25, 2004, Journey to Forever Organisation. Dear Sir/Madam, Ours is a Non-governmental, non-profit making organisation devoted to development through self-help development programmes. We also carryout environmental protection programmes with local communities in Sri Lanka. Recently we were informed of a long-standing problem in a suburban city, due to sawdust. There are large numbers of timber mills, carpentry workshops and woodwork centers in the area. They produce tons and tons of saw dust and dump them into the nearby lake polluting the area. Recently the government has no other alternative, but found another dumping site and the sawdust is now dumped in this site spending large sums of money for transportation. For a developing country like ours this type of spending is unaffordable. We have been trying to find a solution to re-cycle and use saw dust. As we understand, it is possible to make Sawdust Bars - fire logs, briquettes etc or even insulating boards if properly experimented. We were also made to understand that there are many organisations, private sector companies engaged in this business. We thought of searching for a simple technology that could be introduced to the low-income generation groups in the area, especially to the women, who could produce some type of an item to the market, could be a fire log, a briquette or an item that could be used in daily life. If we could introduce this type
Re: [Biofuel] Gasoline Prices
The price of Gasoline stayed about the same.BUT - Last week, the price of DinoDiesel, jumped over $0.20 a gal in one day, from $1.95 gal to $2.19, I'm in the process of trying to find out if this is due to the jump in heating oil use or if Winterized DinoDiesel finally started being delivered. Greg H. One of my clients owns three service stations in the area. When I met with her today, she told me that the price fluctuation I normally see on Monday will occur on Friday instead, and further, she sees no ties between this and the upcoming election south of the Canadian border. So much for my suspicion of conspiracy. . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles
Question: I know, from much discussion on the lists, that the energy needed to produce hydrogen really isn't worth it in terms of oil/coal terms. But, is it (theoretically) possible to use most of the available hydro generated electricity to make hydrogen such that all vehicles / homes / businesses rely on hydrogen for there energy needs (assuming improved consumption conservation)? No, although I suspect your heart is in the right place. The cheapest hydrogen available comes from steam reforming of methane. Hydro electricity should not be used to generate hydrogen because electrolysis, compression and combustion will result in a significant loss of available energy in its transformation from electrons to protons. It is significantly more efficient to use the electricity directly, whenever possible. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing
I use the same kind, no binder made briq's, for the bulk of my winter heating. Less than 2 kg of these briq's are the thermal equivalent of one litre of heating oil. I need about 1 metric ton per winter, and it's 3 times cheaper than heating oil per kWh of heat. The shawings and sawdust are produced in a woodworking shop that makes parquette flooring, the briq's are just a byproduct to get rid of the shawings and dust. Aleks Hi Peter, my Rip and Sawdust (all dry less than 10%) is collected in a 5ft x 5ft x5ft Storagecontainer,with Airfilterbags abouve and the Briquettepress under. a continuos Screw like arm goes inside the Container around and fills the loading zylinder from there the Rip is pushed by a Piston in the Presszylinder. Than the Presspiston pushes the stock with 380bars in the Pressclamb,wich opens at a certain moment to let the pressed Briquette out.There is a 5 Kw 3 phase Motor,a Hydraulicpump and all Pistons are hydraulic activated. a pretty elaborated Controlpanel is coordinating the pressing. I heat my house with Briquettes and partly my Shop (illegal since i am not allowed to burn Waste in an industrial shop) The Briquettes come out bonehard and give a beautiful Fire,once in glow,the Briquettes are falling appart,but burn completely out,there is almost no ashes! A important prerequisit is,the Rip and the Sawdust must be Dry.The machine can not handle wet stock! you can look at my machine under www.spaenex.de go to Briquettepresses my Model is SHB50 if you need more info about dont hesitate to ask Fritz - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Hi Fritz ; I have access to a small regular supply of sawdust for free. Can you tell us a little about your process? Hydraulic or mechanical? What pressure? Is it homebuilt? Do you heat the die? How big is the die? Did you make the die yourself? How? Do the briquetts stay together when burning? How do you burn (fireplace, stove, gasify)? Are there any web links which explain the process that you use? Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greg, you dont need any additives to press Sawdust to Briquettes,i make Briquettes every Day with my Woodshavings only by compressing it Fritz - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Make BioDiesel, then use the glycerin glop as a binder and use a brick press to compress into a log/chunk, let harden Alternatively mix the saw dust with a drying oil or warm pitch or other similar substance ( shellac ?) that can be obtained locally, then compress with a prick press, then let harden. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 23:42 Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Greetings all I was sent this by an NGO in Sri Lanka. Any advice for them? They're not list members, but I'll forward any responses. Thanks! regards Keith From: National Development Foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Information on Sawdust processing Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:13:12 +0600 National Development Foundation 63/2, Yahampath Mawatha, Piliyandala Road, Maharagama, Sri Lanka. Tele: +(94)-011-5526679 or +(94)-011-5522776 E-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, October 25, 2004, Journey to Forever Organisation. Dear Sir/Madam, Ours is a Non-governmental, non-profit making organisation devoted to development through self-help development programmes. We also carryout environmental protection programmes with local communities in Sri Lanka. Recently we were informed of a long-standing problem in a suburban city, due to sawdust. There are large numbers of timber mills, carpentry workshops and woodwork centers in the area. They produce tons and tons of saw dust and dump them into the nearby lake polluting the area. Recently the government has no other alternative, but found another dumping site and the sawdust is now dumped in this site spending large sums of money for transportation. For a developing country like ours this type of spending is unaffordable. We have been trying to find a solution to re-cycle and use saw dust. As we understand, it is possible to make Sawdust Bars - fire logs, briquettes etc or even insulating boards if properly experimented. We were also made to understand that
[Biofuel] Small scale methane production
I've seen plenty of information on biogas factories at public waste facilities, on farms, and so forth but I'm not seeing as much on small scale production. Does anyone have any resources they can suggest that would have more information on smaller production? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Small scale methane production
I've seen plenty of information on biogas factories at public waste facilities, on farms, and so forth but I'm not seeing as much on small scale production. Does anyone have any resources they can suggest that would have more information on smaller production? Methane Digesters For Fuel Gas and Fertilizer -- With Complete Instructions For Two Working Models http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#methanefry Nepal Biogas Plant -- Construction Manual http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#nepgas Jean Pain: France's King of Green Gold http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#pain There's some interesting stuff in the list archives. Try these: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37307/ Fwd: Anaerobic digestion of oil cake http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37311/ Fwd: Anaerobic digestion of oil cake - more http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/33550/ Biogas was Rejoining list with a question Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees
But from what I can tell the ecology of forests is much more complicated than the planting and harvesting cycle of most commercial crops and of the common back yard garden. I'm sure man can duplicate nature's harvest cycle but, would that meet the needs of man? Most likely not, because one reason man now tends crops and developed animal husbandry is that Earth's natural cycle output wasn't enough to, support an ever expanding population. My question would be is the production of methanol a wise use of forests and forest management? Methanol can be produced from a variety of renewable plants, but I don't know of any substitutes for the lumber products forest's can supply Doug - Original Message - From: jeff younkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees : Forrests need TLC, and harvested in a safe manner replanted for the next : gereration and more TLC. If this is not done mother nature has her own : way of harvesting. And mother natures way is not nice. Harvesting a : forest is no different than harvesting any crop. It needs to be done in : a responsible manner to ensure the next crop for the next generation. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/20/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Methanol From Trees
Dear Friends, Why should we disturb the forest for the production of Methanol? Why cant we use the millions of acres of wasteland lying vacant ?I think we can grow millions of hardy and usefully trees like Pongamia,Neem,Tamrind and bushes like Jatropha,we should avoid monoculture. In South India I have seen these trees and bushes growing even in places where the rainfall is below 400mm this will be a better thing to produce methanol Regards, Shashi Kumar. - Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: small scale methane production
Hello Keith and the rest of the group, I've been interested in several of the listings mentioned here previously, including the one regarding Jean Pain. The other is the gentleman that made kits to sell to people to utilize manure in running their vehices. I'm keen on the first idea especially, as all of the materials are available to me and it is something that I can see myself doing as a way to lesson my impact upon the earth. I understand the idea of using the heat of the compost pile to heat water for hot water needs, but am confused on how to implement the use and storage of gas as shown in the webpage (http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#pain). I'm confused on how one would inject the methane produced into innertubes and than pull it back out. How does one measure it? Are there pressure release valves if too much gas is introduced into the system? How is it used in an internal combustion engine? (I'd like to power my gas pickup (pre-fuel-injector) and a generator, though bio/wvo is an option for the generator.) Does anyone have any schematics/plans that show how to go about doing this? I'm sure that I could manage the hot water bit, I just want to make sure I don't blow up anything with the gas. P.S. I'm not especially mechanically inclined, so simple step-by-step instructions are best. I would appreciate any help people can provide. I can't be the only person confused about this! ( : Thanks again! Jason Hi Noctaire I've seen plenty of information on biogas factories at public waste facilities, on farms, and so forth but I'm not seeing as much on small scale production. Does anyone have any resources they can suggest that would have more information on smaller production? Methane Digesters For Fuel Gas and Fertilizer -- With Complete Instructions For Two Working Models http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#methanefry Nepal Biogas Plant -- Construction Manual http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#nepgas Jean Pain: France's King of Green Gold http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#pain There's some interesting stuff in the list archives. Try these: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37307/ Fwd: Anaerobic digestion of oil cake http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37311/ Fwd: Anaerobic digestion of oil cake - more http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/33550/ Biogas was Rejoining list with a question Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Michelin pushes tech envelope
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 Larry Edsall / Special to the Detroit News This Michelin Concept vehicle is equipped with the tiremaker's active wheel technology, which packages the suspension system inside the wheels. Michelin pushes tech envelope Company showcases new active wheels in two concept vehicles. By Larry Edsall / Special to The Detroit News Larry Edsall / Special to the Detroit News The new technology uses a traction motor to turn the wheel and all suspension components within the wheel and tire. SHANGHAI, China - Michelin is not content to be the world's largest tire maker. Now the company's gone out and reinvented the wheel. To showcase its new active wheel technology, Michelin created two concept cars-Hy-Light and Concept-and entered them in Challenge Bibendum, held here last week. Sponsored by Michelin, Bibendum is an annual technology showcase and competition for environmentally-friendly vehicles that brings together automakers, engineers, scientists, government officials and others to study sustainable mobility-transportation that's increasingly based on renewable energy sources rather than fossil fuels. Although known primarily as a tire maker, Michelin has several research centers that study more than the relationship between the tire and the vehicle it carries. The company also has joint ventures with auto suppliers such as Robert Bosch GmbH and TRW to develop advanced suspension and vehicle stability programs. Why not ... use the space within the tire to put as many components as possible, including all the suspension, and make it active, and put in an electric motor, and even eliminate the need for a mechanical transmission? managing partner Edouard Michelin said. We do not intend to be a car company, but we have some interesting technologies we can make available. The Hy-Light was developed by with Switzerland's national research laboratory, the Paul Scherrer Institut, where some 1200 scientists, engineers and technicians work on everything from particle physics to fuel cells. The Hy-Light is a front-wheel-drive vehicle with traction motors in the wheels powered by a hydrogen fuel cell that also supplies electrical power for the four-wheel chassis stability system. Michelin says Hi-Light is an example of the non-polluting vehicle-it runs on hydrogen produced by electrolysis using solar cells- which might be practical by around 2020. The Concept is a gasoline-electric hybrid vehicle, with its small gasoline engine generating the electricity used to turn its wheels and to run its various suspension systems. It looks like something built from an Erector set, and features active wheel technology at all four corners. The vehicle has fully active chassis management technology and can be made to lean into a corner or to move up and down. A wheel equipped with Michelin's active wheel technology appears from the outside to be a standard wheel and tire package. But on the inside, there are springs and electric motors and other electromechanical components and connections, all packaged within the circumference of the wheel and tire. Electric motors not only turn the wheels, but can be used to slow and stop them, so traditional disc or drum brakes might eventually be eliminated, or at least reduced to smaller, redundant systems. And by using electric motors to turn the wheels, large and heavy transmissions and differentials become obsolete. With Michelin's active wheel system, vehicle designers could become more creative because suspension components that now intrude on interior space would be repackaged within each of the vehicle's four wheels, creating more room for people and cargo. Anything that makes anything smaller is good for me, said Volvo designer Orjan Sterner, who attended Challenge Bibendum. Sterner said designers would appreciate a suspension system with nothing sticking up or sticking out. However, there likely will be issues regarding the additional weight the electrical and mechanical components add within the wheel-known as unsprung weight. Ichiro Sugioka, science officer for Volvo's Monitoring and Concept Center in southern California, said it is too soon to pass judgment on Michelin's system, but called it a pleasant surprise he intends to further explore. An electrically controlled suspension can adjust instantly from a silky smooth ride that soaks up bumps to a firm setting for the kind of evasive maneuvers needed to avoid a collision. The suspension can even make a car lean into a turn, or hop up and down like a low rider. Michelin's system is designed to work with the electric-powered vehicles that many experts see in our automotive future. For example, China's Project 863 is charged with developing electric vehicles for that oil-dependent nation. In the United States, many see hydrogen-powered electric fuel cell vehicles as our road to energy independence.
[Biofuel] China Strapped by Energy Shortages as Winter Nears
China Strapped by Energy Shortages as Winter Nears October 27, 2004 - By Reuters BEIJING - China's booming economy is driving demand for coal, oil, power, and transport that far outstrips national supplies, potentially leaving millions nationwide in the cold, the China Daily said on Tuesday. National authorities had warned that shortages of resources could trigger power cuts in at least nine provinces this winter, the newspaper said. The coming of winter will once again increase power consumption. Together with reduced power generation in the summer, this sharpens the contradiction between supply and demand of power, Cao Yushu, spokesman of the State Development and Reform Commission, was quoted as saying. Some 24 provinces suffered blackouts in the first nine months of this year, despite a 14.5 percent year-on-year increase in power generation during the period to 1.56 trillion kilowatts. Nationwide power supplies ran short by 30 million kilowatts over the summer, Cao said. Coal is the major source of fuel in China, and the country's coal industry, already the world's biggest and most hazardous, has expanded with little regulation to keep up with demand. Deaths from coal mine accidents surpassed 4,000 in the first nine months of the year. In the worst mine disaster in the country in years, a blast ripped through a mine in central China last Wednesday, killing at least 91 people, with rescuers holding out little hope for 57 still missing, state media said. But an unflagging national appetite for coal means many mines will continue to push production levels beyond safe limits. Coal supplies in the country's capital, Beijing, were running below the alert line for both power and civil use, forcing city authorities to secure another 500,000 tons of coal for heating by the end of the year, the Xinhua news agency said. Lack of water, not power, is proving a more pressing problem in southern China. More than a million people in normally flood-prone Guangdong province, bordering Hong Kong, did not have sufficient drinking water, and tens of thousands of hectares of rich cropland had dried up, the newspaper said. With water reserves at major reservoirs dropping dramatically across Guangdong, the drought is taking a heavy toll on the cities of Shenzhen, Zhuhai, Huizhou, and Dongguan in the Pearl River Delta, China's fastest developing region. Months of hot weather and drought had also dried hundreds of reservoirs and damaged sugar, rice and corn crops in neighboring Guangxi. Source: Reuters ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles
Hi Dan, If you are interested in working with my associates, I can forward your information to them. There are many considerations which must be discussed. Please write off list with a little about your organization so I can send contact info. If you are only curious, then it seems that the next pilot or demonstration projects are going up on buoys in the ship channels in Florida in 05. The generators will produce hydrogen and light the buoys. The State of Florida is participating in the funding, so my friends are not bound by a new set of rules for manufacturing and exportation. However, they do have some flexibility. Peggy Subject: RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles Peggy, Sounds very interesting. When can you bring this to South Florida ? :-) Dan V -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peggy Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles Until we have more data, I hesitate to expound, but... there is limitless energy that can be captured from ocean waves. We are on our way to proving a new technological advantage in capturing energy and transforming that energy into whatever use we desire. Our OSWEC (Ocean Swells and Waves Energy Conversion) generator just keeps on pumping. Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mullan Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles Question: I know, from much discussion on the lists, that the energy needed to produce hydrogen really isn't worth it in terms of oil/coal terms. But, is it (theoretically) possible to use most of the available hydro generated electricity to make hydrogen such that all vehicles / homes / businesses rely on hydrogen for there energy needs (assuming improved consumption conservation)? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of info Sent: October 27, 2004 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles DaimlerChrysler Commits to Putting More Fuel Cell Vehicles on the Road http://www.alternate-energy.net/more_fuelcell_cars04.html California Unveils State's First Hydrogen Refueling Station http://www.alternate-energy.net/hydrogen_station04.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ news resources forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Tree and Biomass Waste
Was: Methanol from Trees You are correct, Shashi. This discussion began when I mentioned utilizing forest slash that is left to rot in huge piles that don't easily or naturally degrade due to the nature of the thinning. My friends on a Washington State reservation mentioned that their slash is often piled ten stories high. Well, that can be made into fuel and I prefer fuel ethanol over methanol. One of the haulers said that now the thinning people are sometimes spraying mulch made from the slash on the forest floor and this can be good if the thickness is not ridiculous. He mentioned that the new pad of mulch is sometimes twelve or more inches thick. Now that may be a bit too unnatural. Luckily, we will be working with seasoned forest service employees who have both a background, an education, and a desire to proceed prudently. Furthermore, please recall that a neighbor made one gallon of fuel ethanol from five cactus leaf pads. To me this is extraordinary! The waste lands can be productive. You do not need to kill the cactus to harvest the leaves. Pruning is a potential harvesting technique. There are many fast growing plants that are ideal for fuels. Cattail rhizomes are one of the most dynamic. 1000 gallons of ethanol per acre is phenomenal and that's what my associate's university research documented. Your cheer-leader for fuel ethanol Peggy Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol From Trees Dear Friends, Why should we disturb the forest for the production of Methanol? Why cant we use the millions of acres of wasteland lying vacant ?I think we can grow millions of hardy and usefully trees like Pongamia,Neem,Tamrind and bushes like Jatropha,we should avoid monoculture. In South India I have seen these trees and bushes growing even in places where the rainfall is below 400mm this will be a better thing to produce methanol Regards, Shashi Kumar. - Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees
Not to mention that a leading theory on the health of forests, is that their response to diseases, to bugs, to parasites, is a function of group genetics, where the entire genetic diversity of a forest is involved in creating chemical responses to the shared threat. Trees pick up effective responses to threat from other trees in the forest--this chemically released into the air ( much like pheromes with animals). Cut down 1/3 of the trees, and you cut 1/3 of the potential diversity ( maybe an overstatement, but you get the idea). I believe any plan to cut down natural stands of trees is a huge mistakewhere you have a population of nearly identical genetics in a human planted setting, the stupidity of the planting without genetic diversity would suggest that these stand of trees could be harvested--but they were mistakes to begin with. A crop that takes 50 to 100 years to mature is also a poor choice for harvesting. Dan V -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Younker Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees But from what I can tell the ecology of forests is much more complicated than the planting and harvesting cycle of most commercial crops and of the common back yard garden. I'm sure man can duplicate nature's harvest cycle but, would that meet the needs of man? Most likely not, because one reason man now tends crops and developed animal husbandry is that Earth's natural cycle output wasn't enough to, support an ever expanding population. My question would be is the production of methanol a wise use of forests and forest management? Methanol can be produced from a variety of renewable plants, but I don't know of any substitutes for the lumber products forest's can supply Doug - Original Message - From: jeff younkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees : Forrests need TLC, and harvested in a safe manner replanted for the next : gereration and more TLC. If this is not done mother nature has her own : way of harvesting. And mother natures way is not nice. Harvesting a : forest is no different than harvesting any crop. It needs to be done in : a responsible manner to ensure the next crop for the next generation. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/20/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing
Mr. Freisinger, Thanks for the link ! Can you tell me what the cost of the machine is ? Kim Wilde - Original Message - From: Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Hi Peter, my Rip and Sawdust (all dry less than 10%) is collected in a 5ft x 5ft x5ft Storagecontainer,with Airfilterbags abouve and the Briquettepress under. a continuos Screw like arm goes inside the Container around and fills the loading zylinder from there the Rip is pushed by a Piston in the Presszylinder. Than the Presspiston pushes the stock with 380bars in the Pressclamb,wich opens at a certain moment to let the pressed Briquette out.There is a 5 Kw 3 phase Motor,a Hydraulicpump and all Pistons are hydraulic activated. a pretty elaborated Controlpanel is coordinating the pressing. I heat my house with Briquettes and partly my Shop (illegal since i am not allowed to burn Waste in an industrial shop) The Briquettes come out bonehard and give a beautiful Fire,once in glow,the Briquettes are falling appart,but burn completely out,there is almost no ashes! A important prerequisit is,the Rip and the Sawdust must be Dry.The machine can not handle wet stock! you can look at my machine under www.spaenex.de go to Briquettepresses my Model is SHB50 if you need more info about dont hesitate to ask Fritz - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Hi Fritz ; I have access to a small regular supply of sawdust for free. Can you tell us a little about your process? Hydraulic or mechanical? What pressure? Is it homebuilt? Do you heat the die? How big is the die? Did you make the die yourself? How? Do the briquetts stay together when burning? How do you burn (fireplace, stove, gasify)? Are there any web links which explain the process that you use? Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greg, you dont need any additives to press Sawdust to Briquettes,i make Briquettes every Day with my Woodshavings only by compressing it Fritz - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Make BioDiesel, then use the glycerin glop as a binder and use a brick press to compress into a log/chunk, let harden Alternatively mix the saw dust with a drying oil or warm pitch or other similar substance ( shellac ?) that can be obtained locally, then compress with a prick press, then let harden. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 23:42 Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Greetings all I was sent this by an NGO in Sri Lanka. Any advice for them? They're not list members, but I'll forward any responses. Thanks! regards Keith From: National Development Foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Information on Sawdust processing Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:13:12 +0600 National Development Foundation 63/2, Yahampath Mawatha, Piliyandala Road, Maharagama, Sri Lanka. Tele: +(94)-011-5526679 or +(94)-011-5522776 E-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, October 25, 2004, Journey to Forever Organisation. Dear Sir/Madam, Ours is a Non-governmental, non-profit making organisation devoted to development through self-help development programmes. We also carryout environmental protection programmes with local communities in Sri Lanka. Recently we were informed of a long-standing problem in a suburban city, due to sawdust. There are large numbers of timber mills, carpentry workshops and woodwork centers in the area. They produce tons and tons of saw dust and dump them into the nearby lake polluting the area. Recently the government has no other alternative, but found another dumping site and the sawdust is now dumped in this site spending large sums of money for transportation. For a developing country like ours this type of spending is unaffordable. We have been trying to find a solution to re-cycle and use saw dust. As we understand, it is possible to make Sawdust Bars - fire logs, briquettes etc or even insulating boards if properly experimented. We were also made to
Re: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec
QUACK. see for example his totally bogus, nonscientific diatribe about aspertame. It is right up there with other wackos such as Betty Martini. http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/329/7469/755#76712 Legal Eagle wrote: Thanks for the links. Dr Marcola is a known specialist in his field, so this should prove an interesting read. Luc - Original Message - From: Dan Volker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:18 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec Probiotics are something I researched heavily about 6 months ago, when I began using what I have found to be by far the best available. Here is one link which explains the product well in summary form, and there are many sites which explain the homeostatic soil organism concept at extreme detail..The probiotic I am referring to is called Primal Defense, made by Garden of Life...visit http://www.risingstarlc.com/pdindex.htm Also, regarding flu epidemics, shortages of vaccines, and the foolishness of using vaccines period, visit http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/20/flu_vaccine.htm Regards, Dan Volker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Legal Eagle Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec Muchas Gracias Kim; After having a peruse I may even want to give it a link in the Oragnics Section of my site or something. We all need to seek out ways to better our health. No one is going to avoid dying, but we sure can have a good and long quality of life though. Luc PS:Maybe I should be thinking of adding a section only for probiotics. I already have an article on it, but sources I do not have.Hmmm, worth a thought. - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec Wonderful advice Luc. I would add that kefir taken daily really promotes good health. Kefir grains really are Mother Nature's best defence for health. The nice part, is that one aquires grains just by paying the shipping, then in a couple of weeks, you have lots of grains to share with family and friends. Learn more at: http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:52 AM 10/27/2004, you wrote: http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2004/10/26/cdiffici le_queplan 041026.html Check out what they are doing to curb it. Reducing anti-biotics, duh. Anti-biotics overuse has resulted in many more diseases than they have cured. All the while attacking bad bacteria they also eliminate good bacteria leaving the immune system depleted of it's defenses and then along comes Mr. Pathogen (just like in tress) and wreaks a nightmare, and because these pathogen are so prolific it isn't long before what was a minor problem becomes a major health concern, just like over use of fertilizers in soil. Same causation, same effect. When T cells are healthy the immuno functions, including the lymph, cleans out and purify the blood and move dead cells and other pathogens along to be disposed of, but if the immuno functions are weakened by anti-biotic overkill then the lymph can't do it's job properly and you get ... sick. When anti-biotics MUST be used it is recommended that a probiotic such as acidophilus accompany it to offset some of the negative effects of the immuno depletion Of course there are exemptions, as in all rules, but this is the standard, now starting to be admitted by the community of those heralding themselves as health experts. HRT was a really good earner, I mean solution, until they were forced to admit it is a carcinogen. Vioxx was a really good earner, oops, I mean solution until people started killing themselves. Lipitor wa a really good... unti it also proveed to be counter-health producting. Moral of the story ? Live a healthy life and feed your body with high quality healthy fresh foods and you won't have to worry about finding a solution later. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable):
RE: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec
With enough money, you can buy any research finding you want to. One of my larger advertising clients is a big Nutrition company, and I am well aware of the way articles on nutrition in Medical Journals are created. What is different about the bulk of Mercola's information, is that if you try to put it into practice yourself, or you see people you know do it, you see visible, tangible results much faster and more reliably than with most others in the field. As his ideas relate to the scum involved in the pharmaceutical industry, the people who prosper by creating a world where symptoms are treated for life, and negative interest is applied to curing anything ( unless the cure can create a new malady to treat), Mercola has a great deal to offer us. Regards, Dan Volker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob allen Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 10:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec Nothing personal to you but all I can say about Mercola is QUACK, QUACK. see for example his totally bogus, nonscientific diatribe about aspertame. It is right up there with other wackos such as Betty Martini. http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/329/7469/755#76712 Legal Eagle wrote: Thanks for the links. Dr Marcola is a known specialist in his field, so this should prove an interesting read. Luc - Original Message - From: Dan Volker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:18 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec Probiotics are something I researched heavily about 6 months ago, when I began using what I have found to be by far the best available. Here is one link which explains the product well in summary form, and there are many sites which explain the homeostatic soil organism concept at extreme detail..The probiotic I am referring to is called Primal Defense, made by Garden of Life...visit http://www.risingstarlc.com/pdindex.htm Also, regarding flu epidemics, shortages of vaccines, and the foolishness of using vaccines period, visit http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/20/flu_vaccine.htm Regards, Dan Volker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Legal Eagle Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec Muchas Gracias Kim; After having a peruse I may even want to give it a link in the Oragnics Section of my site or something. We all need to seek out ways to better our health. No one is going to avoid dying, but we sure can have a good and long quality of life though. Luc PS:Maybe I should be thinking of adding a section only for probiotics. I already have an article on it, but sources I do not have.Hmmm, worth a thought. - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec Wonderful advice Luc. I would add that kefir taken daily really promotes good health. Kefir grains really are Mother Nature's best defence for health. The nice part, is that one aquires grains just by paying the shipping, then in a couple of weeks, you have lots of grains to share with family and friends. Learn more at: http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:52 AM 10/27/2004, you wrote: http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2004/10/26/cdiffici le_queplan 041026.html Check out what they are doing to curb it. Reducing anti-biotics, duh. Anti-biotics overuse has resulted in many more diseases than they have cured. All the while attacking bad bacteria they also eliminate good bacteria leaving the immune system depleted of it's defenses and then along comes Mr. Pathogen (just like in tress) and wreaks a nightmare, and because these pathogen are so prolific it isn't long before what was a minor problem becomes a major health concern, just like over use of fertilizers in soil. Same causation, same effect. When T cells are healthy the immuno functions, including the lymph, cleans out and purify the blood and move dead cells and other pathogens along to be disposed of, but if the immuno functions are weakened by anti-biotic overkill then the lymph can't do it's job properly and you get ... sick. When anti-biotics MUST be used it is recommended that a probiotic such as acidophilus accompany it to offset some of the negative effects of the immuno depletion Of course there are exemptions, as in all rules, but this is the standard, now starting to be admitted by the community of those heralding themselves as health experts. HRT was a
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing
Hi Kim, new it run fore about 20 000Euro used ones i have seen for under 8000Euro if you are serios looking for one,i would not buy the same Model anymore,there is a problem with stocking the Briquettes due to their shape,i would go with round dowel like Briquettes,wich brake in parts of about 3 to 4 inches that way the Storagecontainer is not clogging up and automatic feeding into heatingsystems is easyer for exact costing i need to look up the Vendors websites (all in German) give me a couple of days for it Fritz - Original Message - From: Kim Wilde WRDS Co. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Mr. Freisinger, Thanks for the link ! Can you tell me what the cost of the machine is ? Kim Wilde - Original Message - From: Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Hi Peter, my Rip and Sawdust (all dry less than 10%) is collected in a 5ft x 5ft x5ft Storagecontainer,with Airfilterbags abouve and the Briquettepress under. a continuos Screw like arm goes inside the Container around and fills the loading zylinder from there the Rip is pushed by a Piston in the Presszylinder. Than the Presspiston pushes the stock with 380bars in the Pressclamb,wich opens at a certain moment to let the pressed Briquette out.There is a 5 Kw 3 phase Motor,a Hydraulicpump and all Pistons are hydraulic activated. a pretty elaborated Controlpanel is coordinating the pressing. I heat my house with Briquettes and partly my Shop (illegal since i am not allowed to burn Waste in an industrial shop) The Briquettes come out bonehard and give a beautiful Fire,once in glow,the Briquettes are falling appart,but burn completely out,there is almost no ashes! A important prerequisit is,the Rip and the Sawdust must be Dry.The machine can not handle wet stock! you can look at my machine under www.spaenex.de go to Briquettepresses my Model is SHB50 if you need more info about dont hesitate to ask Fritz - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Hi Fritz ; I have access to a small regular supply of sawdust for free. Can you tell us a little about your process? Hydraulic or mechanical? What pressure? Is it homebuilt? Do you heat the die? How big is the die? Did you make the die yourself? How? Do the briquetts stay together when burning? How do you burn (fireplace, stove, gasify)? Are there any web links which explain the process that you use? Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greg, you dont need any additives to press Sawdust to Briquettes,i make Briquettes every Day with my Woodshavings only by compressing it Fritz - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Make BioDiesel, then use the glycerin glop as a binder and use a brick press to compress into a log/chunk, let harden Alternatively mix the saw dust with a drying oil or warm pitch or other similar substance ( shellac ?) that can be obtained locally, then compress with a prick press, then let harden. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 23:42 Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing Greetings all I was sent this by an NGO in Sri Lanka. Any advice for them? They're not list members, but I'll forward any responses. Thanks! regards Keith From: National Development Foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Information on Sawdust processing Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:13:12 +0600 National Development Foundation 63/2, Yahampath Mawatha, Piliyandala Road, Maharagama, Sri Lanka. Tele: +(94)-011-5526679 or +(94)-011-5522776 E-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, October 25, 2004, Journey to Forever Organisation. Dear Sir/Madam, Ours is a Non-governmental, non-profit making organisation devoted to development through self-help development programmes. We also carryout environmental protection programmes with local communities in Sri Lanka.
[Biofuel] Country Must Come Before Party
Texas Republican Says Country Must Come Before Party by Mitch Dworkin 10 October 2004 http://republicansforkerry04.com/dworkin1.html The Republican Party as well as America needs a return to mainstream leadership. Country must come before party. We need a president who can admit to making mistakes and bad decisions, a president who can unite this country and restore credibility back to the White House and to our allies who are now alienated from this Administration, and a president who is fiscally responsible and is in touch with the economic burdens of middle class Americans. Enormous tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans who make over $200,000 per year in a time of war and when the middle class is suffering from job losses, increased costs in health care and education, and record high deficits is not exercising fiscal responsibility and is also clearly not compassionate or conservative. President Bush does not embody and practice true compassionate and conservative values as he claims. He and most of his administration represent an extreme faction of the Republican Party and are out of touch with the American people and our world allies who once respected us. A president who while in debate with agreed upon rules who will not directly answer the question that is put to him President Bush, please give three instances when you think you made a bad decision, and what you did to correct it and who in one incident interrupts the moderator of the presidential debate three times, changes the moderator's question, and then says on his own without permission from the moderator You tell Tony Blair we're going alone... does not have the temperament to lead the Republican Party or this great nation. That is especially true when our countrymen and women are shouldering 88.5% of the costs and casualties in Iraq due to this president's inability to work with the United Nations. The truth is non-partisan and the truth according to a federal report released last week is that economically we are worse-off than we were before President Bush took office with this president being the first president in 72 years to lose net jobs. The truth according to the CIA is that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq which was the basis of President Bush starting a unilateral and preemptive war without a sufficient coalition, an exit strategy, and a plan to win the peace. The truth is that President Bush ran in 2000 as a candidate who would be a uniter as opposed to a divider and this country has never been more partisan in the last 22 years according to John McCain and even VP Dick Cheney admitted to this division in his debate with John Edwards. There is a growing movement of Republicans called Republicans for Kerry who are moving away from President Bush and his extreme policies. It is a difficult and painful move for many Republicans who have never before considered voting for a Democrat, but they know that it will be even more painful if they have to endure another four years of the Bush Administration's out of the mainstream policies. The Republican Party and the country needs new leadership! Senator John Kerry is running a mainstream campaign of fiscal responsibility, he has demonstrated that he can work well with people and can unite people of dffering opinions, and he can admit to making mistakes. Country must come before party. Republicans of conscience should vote for John Kerry on November 2 so that this country will once again be stronger at home and respected in the world. Public Opinion Poll Indicates Iraqis Favor Kerry over Bush in U.S. Presidential Race By Greg LaMotte Baghdad 26 October 2004 http://www.voanews.com/english/2004-10-26-voa50.cfm Lining up Bush's next job What will George W. Bush do if he loses the presidency? Kenneth S. Baer 10.26.04 http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=rootname=ViewWebarticleId=8804 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Could methane gas be used for Bio Diesel?
Does anyone out there have any ideas on a method of using methane gas as a substitute for methanol in the BD process? Iam aware that methane gas can be catalyzed to methanol, but the cost of doing so sounds prohibitive. Is there another way? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Could methane gas be used for Bio Diesel?
Alkanes ,such as methane are highly unreactive in the absence of a catalyst - hence the cost of converting methane to methanol. The -OH functional group in methanol is the location for the reaction, so unless the 'new' process includes converting the methane to methanol, it won't work. But that's why chemists, engineers and innovators have jobs, coming up with 'new' processes. Keep thinking 'outside the box'...innovations will follow. Jonathan From: 6 Heins, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Could methane gas be used for Bio Diesel? Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Does anyone out there have any ideas on a method of using methane gas as a substitute for methanol in the BD process? Iam aware that methane gas can be catalyzed to methanol, but the cost of doing so sounds prohibitive. Is there another way? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee¨ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Could methane gas be used for Bio Diesel?
The methane is chemically different than methanol.More over you need heterogenious catalysis for metanol. Metane gas can be diretly used with vegetable oil in IC engines using vegetable oil too , but not possible to hvve 100 use of Vegetable oil and methane gas. Some compromise need to be done to get optimium biofuel mixture to your engine. Thus simple method can be worked out for metahne gas and vegetable oil , kit for the use of vegetable oil and hence no need for BD and other complicated process . Gas is better clean combustivel than liquid P.V.Panniselvam --- 6 Heins, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone out there have any ideas on a method of using methane gas as a substitute for methanol in the BD process? Iam aware that methane gas can be catalyzed to methanol, but the cost of doing so sounds prohibitive. Is there another way? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New to list also
Convert to biodiesel is a very big word as there is no conversion required, you just make good fuel, which you will learn how to do at the JtF site and on this list and then plop it in the vehicle. You may experience some fuel line problems with the '80 VW, although that is not a guarentee. My '83 Benz is getting a whole new set, German made, direct from Old Europe :) Others may wish to wade in on any potential probs with the others but to the best of my recollection there isn't any. Read up on all the info at Journey to Forever and start at the beginning without trying to get a head of yourself and before you realise it you will be making top qualilty fuel that your engines will thank you for. The starting point: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Luc - Original Message - From: Nancy Canning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:40 PM Subject: [Biofuel] New to list also I am new to the list as well, in Wisconsin. Interested in aquiring biodiesel small plant to make my own, not only for vehicle but for house usage as well. I am interested in finding out about regulations for making biodiesel and exploring possibility of starting a business producing viable product. I have a vw wabbit, 1980 model which I love, and want to convert to biodiesel. I also want to find out information for the 2004 Dodge trucks, problems converting them to biodiesel? Heating system for bio-tank? Anybody tried solar panel designed system? Solar systems are used in Montana for winter heating of water livestock tanks? Fuel injection system for Dodge 2004 cummins 5.9 engine model and problems others have encountered with biodiesel? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
