Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Brian Rodgers]

Damn. I wish people would check validity of stuff before they send it
around. I have received one or two per day of these bogus emails about
sticking it up their collective behinds. I wish more people would
write something, anything in their own words and send it around to all
their friends. Internet Chain Letters, Yuk.
As mentioned here, it is simple to check out a story for rumor content
at www.snopes.com
I really like the way Barbara Mikkelson writes.
 Fun informative and she doesn't make you feel like you are an idiot.
Brian Rodgers

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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Mike Weaver]

Get the Jetta.

Mel Riser wrote:

> I just came home tonight and found 20 5 gallon jugs of WVO in my driveway.
>  
> guess I'm gonna be heating some oil this weekend and getting some of 
> the filterable stuff out before i put it in the WVO truck.
>  
> My wife really got the point when I told her that EACH 5 gallon jug 
> would run my truck for 100 miles and my car for 150 miles.
>  
> I think she is finally seeing why I keep saying sell the minvan and 
> buy a TDI Jetta or a Jeep Liberty with the diesel option.
>  
> mel
>
> -Original Message-
> *From:* Mel Riser
> *Sent:* Mon 8/29/2005 1:35 PM
> *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org; Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>     *Cc:*
> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
>
> I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100
> that day.
>
>  
>
> mel
>
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Mel Riser]

I just came home tonight and found 20 5 gallon jugs of WVO in my 
driveway.
 
guess I'm gonna be heating some oil this weekend and getting some of the 
filterable stuff out before i put it in the WVO truck.
 
My wife really got the point when I told her that EACH 5 gallon jug would 
run my truck for 100 miles and my car for 150 miles.
 
I think she is finally seeing why I keep saying sell the minvan and buy a 
TDI Jetta or a Jeep Liberty with the diesel option.
 
mel

  -Original Message- From: Mel Riser 
  Sent: Mon 8/29/2005 1:35 PM To: 
  Biofuel@sustainablelists.org; Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: 
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas 
  day
  I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that 
day.
   
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Mel Riser]

Title: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day





Anyone in Texas has a few choices
 
there is BioDrive in Addison
 
BioWillie at Carl's corner 
 
Ecowise on Congress
 
and Austin Biofuels on south slaughter
 
price for b99 with the tax credit is 2.99
 
b100 is 3.40
 
and the biowillie 20/80 is about the same price as regular diesel.
 
mel

  -Original Message- From: Mike Weaver 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 8/29/2005 6:25 PM 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: Subject: 
  Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
  I'm gonna drive my car around the beltway *just for fun* just 
  like theguy who was interviewed in the Washington Post last week about gas 
  prices.He was bemoaning the fact that he couldn't afford to keep his car 
  on theroad due to gas prices.  Poor fellow.Mel Riser 
  wrote:> I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with 
  B100 that day.>> >> 
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Keith Addison]

Hi Darryl

>Keith, good idea.  I'll keep track here too.  It will give me an 
>excuse to update
>my page at
>http://www.econogics.com/en/enenergy.htm#Transportation .

I was thinking there was some something I wasn't thinking of, and 
that's it. I'd do better to link to your page, and Hakan's site too. 
I've been wanting to make more links to both your sites. I'll figure 
something out.

Meanwhile, the more ideas the better.

>It needs some tidying up
>anyway.

I know the feeling! :-(

Regards

Keith


>Darryl
>
>
>Date sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:21:24 +0900
>To:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>From:      Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject:   Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
>Send reply to: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Hi Darryl
> >
> > Very nice!
> >
> > >I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. 
>My point is,
> > >don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
> >
> > I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far.
> >
> > If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey
> > to Forever for it, might help.
> >
> > It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work
> > out that way I don't mind.
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> >
> > >Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their
> > >gasoline stations up
> > >for sale.  After all, the managers are required to maximize the
> > >returns for their
> > >shareholders.  If the stations are losing money, they have to dump
> > >them.  I won't
> > >be holding my breath.
> > >
> > >As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.
> > >
> > >If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for 
>whatever reason,
> > >here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.
> > >
> > >1)  Walk somewhere.  Anywhere.  Just leave your guzzler parked.
> > >
> > >2)  Get a bicycle.  Preferably something used.  Try your local
> > >FreeCycle, or bike
> > >repair co-op, or a used bike dealer.  Find something comfortable and
> > >practical for
> > >your use.  Then use it.
> > >
> > >3)  Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle.  Correct if
> > >necessary.  Slight
> > >overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight 
>underinflation.  Repeat
> > >monthly or more frequently if required.
> > >
> > >4)  Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule.
> > >Check owner's
> > >manual for details.  Check for dragging brakes, emissions control
> > >system problems,
> > >etc while you are at it.
> > >
> > >5)  Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).
> > >
> > >6)  Use public transit when available and appropriate.  Or carpool.
> > >
> > >7)  Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your
> > >vehicle.  There are
> > >many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE
> > >dual-fuel incentive,
> > >where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel 
>capable.  Check your
> > >vehicle manual.  Use biodiesel blend where available or 
>appropriate (or make your
> > >own, of course).
> > >
> > >8)  Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra
> > >weight uses more
> > >energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear.
> > >(e.g. sand and salt
> > >mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).
> > >
> > >9)  When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser /
> > >energy wise labels.
> > >
> > >10)  When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something
> > >that is as fuel-
> > >efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not
> > >necessarily all of
> > >your needs.  You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.
> > >
> > >11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company
> > >to boycott or
> > >support.  Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are
> > >local and have
> > >been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was 
>fashionable.  I b

Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Slydog]

As others have stated I am sure one day would not do anything. So much is
made from oil like the tires and all the plastic peices on that bike you
want to ride around. I am new to all this but I don't see how it could be
fixed unless we as in all the U.S. and other countries went to vehicals run
on moonshine or water or something like that but even if we did that they
would find  way to charge outragious prices on that. We live in a world
where folks are willing to pay over a buck for 16oz of water that must say
something in it's self. I think the world has the greatiest shortage of
common sense as anything else.
- Original Message -
From: "Andy Karpay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:44 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day


>
> It would seem that NOT buying gas on Sept 1 will do nothing.  If
> errands, and gasoline (burning) continues without BUYING it will only be
> delayed until, say, Sept 2, or 3.  You'd need a global (or at least
> national) NO DRIVE WEEK.  If everyone didn't drive, or use gasoline for
> a week it could cause a dip in their profits.  I would imagine that if
> we were able to cut our gasoline purchasing down to ONE GALLON PER WEEK
> FOR THE ENTIRE NATION that they would charge 1 billion dollars for that
> gallon, and find a reason because it was so expensive to produce and
> transport that ONE GALLON.  Better you should not USE any petroleum
> products on Sept 1.  Walk or bicycle, or bio, or veggie instead.
> I suggest reading it for yourself at the link previously provided by
> Stan (see below).  It reiterates what I have just spewed, and should
> have just copied it to save my finger's energy (veggie powered).
>
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:37:32 -0400
> From: Stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
>
>
> This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve
> everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to
> petroleum.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of  you to
> >forward if you want to.
> >
> >
> >It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and
> >Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all
> >at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their
> >stockpiles.
> >
> >At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of
> >over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil
> >companies.
> >
> >Therefore September 1st has been formally declared "stick it up
> >their behind " day and the people of these two nations should not
> >buy a single drop of gasoline that day.
> >
> >The only way this can be done is if you forward this e-mail to as
> >many people as you can and as quickly as you can to get the
> >word out.
> >
> >Waiting on the government to step in and control the prices is not
> >going to happen. What happened to the reduction and control in
> >prices that the Arab nations promised two weeks ago?
> >
> >Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up
> >but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices,
> >trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects
> >prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing,
> >building materials, medical supplies, etc. Who pays in the end?
> >We do!
> >
> >We can make a difference. If they don't get the message after
> >one day, we will do it again and again.
> >
> >So do your part and spread the word. Forward this email to
> >everyone you know.
> >
> >Mark your calendars and make September 1st a day that the
> >citizens of the United States and Canada say "enough is
> >enough"
> >
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Mike Weaver]

FWIW BP is a fairly big player in solar panels - so far a 3-6 backlog of 
orders.

Keith Addison wrote:

>Hi Darryl
>
>Very nice!
>
>  
>
>>I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point is,
>>don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
>>
>>
>
>I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far.
>
>If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey 
>to Forever for it, might help.
>
>It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work 
>out that way I don't mind.
>
>Best wishes
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their 
>>gasoline stations up
>>for sale.  After all, the managers are required to maximize the 
>>returns for their
>>shareholders.  If the stations are losing money, they have to dump 
>>them.  I won't
>>be holding my breath.
>>
>>As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.
>>
>>If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason,
>>here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.
>>
>>1)  Walk somewhere.  Anywhere.  Just leave your guzzler parked.
>>
>>2)  Get a bicycle.  Preferably something used.  Try your local 
>>FreeCycle, or bike
>>repair co-op, or a used bike dealer.  Find something comfortable and 
>>practical for
>>your use.  Then use it.
>>
>>3)  Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle.  Correct if 
>>necessary.  Slight
>>overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation.  Repeat
>>monthly or more frequently if required.
>>
>>4)  Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. 
>>Check owner's
>>manual for details.  Check for dragging brakes, emissions control 
>>system problems,
>>etc while you are at it.
>>
>>5)  Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).
>>
>>6)  Use public transit when available and appropriate.  Or carpool.
>>
>>7)  Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your 
>>vehicle.  There are
>>many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE 
>>dual-fuel incentive,
>>where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable.  Check your
>>vehicle manual.  Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate 
>>(or make your
>>own, of course).
>>
>>8)  Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra 
>>weight uses more
>>energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. 
>>(e.g. sand and salt
>>mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).
>>
>>9)  When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / 
>>energy wise labels.
>>
>>10)  When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something 
>>that is as fuel-
>>efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not 
>>necessarily all of
>>your needs.  You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.
>>
>>11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company 
>>to boycott or
>>support.  Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are 
>>local and have
>>been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable.  I boycott
>>Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record 
>>(and other
>>undesirable practices).  Trust me, if we actually managed to drop 
>>Exxon's gross
>>revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would 
>>definitely get their
>>attention.  Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't.
>>
>>12)  Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion.  You get 0 mpg when
>>idling in stopped traffic.
>>
>>I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point is,
>>don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
>>
>>Darryl McMahon
>>
>>
>>
>>"mphee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Station owners really don't make much money off of gas.  Their 
>>>  
>>>
>>lucky to make a
>>
>>
>>>nickel a gallon.  They make their money on what's called C-Store sales.
>>>
>>>If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly.
>>>
>>>
>>>Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last
>>>year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you 
>>>  
>>>
>>delivery it, and you
>>
>>
>>>sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of 
>>>  
>>>
>>it.  Just by
>>
>>
>>>vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.
>>>
>>>
>>>On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote
>>>  
>>>
effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
"This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better
serve everyone to forward accurate information about
alternatives to petroleum."

Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't
heard if it. I will check it from now on.

I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but
wondered it it was part of a

Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Mike Weaver]

I vote for Exxon - they never paid squat for the Valdez spill.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
>
>"11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil 
>company to boycott or support.."
>
>You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the following 
>can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott:
>
>Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : 
>Shell. 205,742,000 barrels 
>Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels 
>Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels 
>Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels 
>Amoco62,231,000 barrels 
>
>Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: 
>Citgo...0 barrels 
>Sunoco.0 barrels 
>Conoco.0 barrels 
>Sinclair.0 barrels 
>BP/Phillips0 barrels 
>Hess0 barrels 
>ARCO...0 barrels 
>
>All of this information is available from the Department of Energy 
>and each is required to state where they get their oil and how 
>much they are importing. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Mike Weaver]

At the rate Katrina is tearing through the gulf there may not be any gas 
to buy.

Darryl McMahon wrote:

>Keith, good idea.  I'll keep track here too.  It will give me an excuse to 
>update 
>my page at
>http://www.econogics.com/en/enenergy.htm#Transportation .  It needs some 
>tidying up 
>anyway.
>
>Darryl
>
>
>Date sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:21:24 +0900
>To:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>From:  Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject:       Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
>Send reply to: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Darryl
>>
>>Very nice!
>>
>>
>>
>>>I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point 
>>>is,
>>>don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
>>>  
>>>
>>I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far.
>>
>>If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey 
>>to Forever for it, might help.
>>
>>It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work 
>>out that way I don't mind.
>>
>>Best wishes
>>
>>Keith
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their 
>>>gasoline stations up
>>>for sale.  After all, the managers are required to maximize the 
>>>returns for their
>>>shareholders.  If the stations are losing money, they have to dump 
>>>them.  I won't
>>>be holding my breath.
>>>
>>>As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.
>>>
>>>If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason,
>>>here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.
>>>
>>>1)  Walk somewhere.  Anywhere.  Just leave your guzzler parked.
>>>
>>>2)  Get a bicycle.  Preferably something used.  Try your local 
>>>FreeCycle, or bike
>>>repair co-op, or a used bike dealer.  Find something comfortable and 
>>>practical for
>>>your use.  Then use it.
>>>
>>>3)  Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle.  Correct if 
>>>necessary.  Slight
>>>overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation.  Repeat
>>>monthly or more frequently if required.
>>>
>>>4)  Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. 
>>>Check owner's
>>>manual for details.  Check for dragging brakes, emissions control 
>>>system problems,
>>>etc while you are at it.
>>>
>>>5)  Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).
>>>
>>>6)  Use public transit when available and appropriate.  Or carpool.
>>>
>>>7)  Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your 
>>>vehicle.  There are
>>>many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE 
>>>dual-fuel incentive,
>>>where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable.  Check 
>>>your
>>>vehicle manual.  Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make 
>>>your
>>>own, of course).
>>>
>>>8)  Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra 
>>>weight uses more
>>>energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. 
>>>(e.g. sand and salt
>>>mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).
>>>
>>>9)  When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / 
>>>energy wise labels.
>>>
>>>10)  When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something 
>>>that is as fuel-
>>>efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not 
>>>necessarily all of
>>>your needs.  You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.
>>>
>>>11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company 
>>>to boycott or
>>>support.  Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are 
>>>local and have
>>>been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable.  I boycott
>>>Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record 
>>>(and other
>>>undesirable practices).  Trust me, if we actually managed to drop 
>>>Exxon's gross
>>>revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter

Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Mike Weaver]

I'm gonna drive my car around the beltway *just for fun* just like the 
guy who was interviewed in the Washington Post last week about gas prices.
He was bemoaning the fact that he couldn't afford to keep his car on the 
road due to gas prices.  Poor fellow.

Mel Riser wrote:

> I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that day.
>
>  
>
> mel
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Mel Riser]

I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that day.
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[RobertCVA]

>>You get 0 mpg when idling in stopped traffic.<<
 
I suppose it's worse than "0".   Since in most cars the engine 
keeps running while stopped, it has the effect of a negative mpg on overall gas 
mileage.  My 2004 Prius' engine stops when the traffic stops, which is 
great for mpg and air quality.   And when traffic is crawling, I can 
usually rely on the electric motor to give me an overall boost to 
mpgs.
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Darryl McMahon]

Keith, good idea.  I'll keep track here too.  It will give me an excuse to 
update 
my page at
http://www.econogics.com/en/enenergy.htm#Transportation .  It needs some 
tidying up 
anyway.

Darryl


Date sent:  Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:21:24 +0900
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
From:   Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:    Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Send reply to:  Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hi Darryl
> 
> Very nice!
> 
> >I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point 
> >is,
> >don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
> 
> I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far.
> 
> If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey 
> to Forever for it, might help.
> 
> It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work 
> out that way I don't mind.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> 
> >Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their 
> >gasoline stations up
> >for sale.  After all, the managers are required to maximize the 
> >returns for their
> >shareholders.  If the stations are losing money, they have to dump 
> >them.  I won't
> >be holding my breath.
> >
> >As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.
> >
> >If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason,
> >here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.
> >
> >1)  Walk somewhere.  Anywhere.  Just leave your guzzler parked.
> >
> >2)  Get a bicycle.  Preferably something used.  Try your local 
> >FreeCycle, or bike
> >repair co-op, or a used bike dealer.  Find something comfortable and 
> >practical for
> >your use.  Then use it.
> >
> >3)  Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle.  Correct if 
> >necessary.  Slight
> >overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation.  Repeat
> >monthly or more frequently if required.
> >
> >4)  Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. 
> >Check owner's
> >manual for details.  Check for dragging brakes, emissions control 
> >system problems,
> >etc while you are at it.
> >
> >5)  Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).
> >
> >6)  Use public transit when available and appropriate.  Or carpool.
> >
> >7)  Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your 
> >vehicle.  There are
> >many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE 
> >dual-fuel incentive,
> >where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable.  Check 
> >your
> >vehicle manual.  Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make 
> >your
> >own, of course).
> >
> >8)  Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra 
> >weight uses more
> >energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. 
> >(e.g. sand and salt
> >mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).
> >
> >9)  When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / 
> >energy wise labels.
> >
> >10)  When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something 
> >that is as fuel-
> >efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not 
> >necessarily all of
> >your needs.  You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.
> >
> >11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company 
> >to boycott or
> >support.  Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are 
> >local and have
> >been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable.  I boycott
> >Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record 
> >(and other
> >undesirable practices).  Trust me, if we actually managed to drop 
> >Exxon's gross
> >revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would 
> >definitely get their
> >attention.  Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't.
> >
> >12)  Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion.  You get 0 mpg when
> >idling in stopped traffic.
> >
> >I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point 
> >is,
> >don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
> >
> >Darryl McMahon
> >
> >
> >
> >"mphee" &l

Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[marilyn]

Thanks. I should have looked for this one on Snopes before I 
sent it.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
> You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the 
following 
> can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott:
> 
> Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : 
> Shell. 205,742,000 barrels 
> Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels 
> Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels 
> Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels 
> Amoco62,231,000 barrels 
> 
> Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: 
> Citgo...0 barrels 
> Sunoco.0 barrels 
> Conoco.0 barrels 
> Sinclair.0 barrels 
> BP/Phillips0 barrels 
> Hess0 barrels 
> ARCO...0 barrels 
> 
> All of this information is available from the Department of 
Energy 
> and each is required to state where they get their oil and how 
> much they are importing. 

*sigh*

Yet another hoax.

First of all, the numbers are flat out wrong. Second, even if they 
were 
correct, oil is a fungible commodity, rendering any such boycott 
meaningless.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/saudigas.asp

jh

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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Keith Addison]

Hi Darryl

Very nice!

>I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point is,
>don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.

I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far.

If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey 
to Forever for it, might help.

It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work 
out that way I don't mind.

Best wishes

Keith



>Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their 
>gasoline stations up
>for sale.  After all, the managers are required to maximize the 
>returns for their
>shareholders.  If the stations are losing money, they have to dump 
>them.  I won't
>be holding my breath.
>
>As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.
>
>If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason,
>here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.
>
>1)  Walk somewhere.  Anywhere.  Just leave your guzzler parked.
>
>2)  Get a bicycle.  Preferably something used.  Try your local 
>FreeCycle, or bike
>repair co-op, or a used bike dealer.  Find something comfortable and 
>practical for
>your use.  Then use it.
>
>3)  Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle.  Correct if 
>necessary.  Slight
>overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation.  Repeat
>monthly or more frequently if required.
>
>4)  Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. 
>Check owner's
>manual for details.  Check for dragging brakes, emissions control 
>system problems,
>etc while you are at it.
>
>5)  Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).
>
>6)  Use public transit when available and appropriate.  Or carpool.
>
>7)  Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your 
>vehicle.  There are
>many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE 
>dual-fuel incentive,
>where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable.  Check your
>vehicle manual.  Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate 
>(or make your
>own, of course).
>
>8)  Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra 
>weight uses more
>energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. 
>(e.g. sand and salt
>mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).
>
>9)  When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / 
>energy wise labels.
>
>10)  When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something 
>that is as fuel-
>efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not 
>necessarily all of
>your needs.  You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.
>
>11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company 
>to boycott or
>support.  Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are 
>local and have
>been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable.  I boycott
>Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record 
>(and other
>undesirable practices).  Trust me, if we actually managed to drop 
>Exxon's gross
>revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would 
>definitely get their
>attention.  Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't.
>
>12)  Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion.  You get 0 mpg when
>idling in stopped traffic.
>
>I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point is,
>don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
>
>Darryl McMahon
>
>
>
>"mphee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Station owners really don't make much money off of gas.  Their 
>lucky to make a
> > nickel a gallon.  They make their money on what's called C-Store sales.
> >
> > If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly.
> >
> >
> > Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last
> > year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you 
>delivery it, and you
> > sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of 
>it.  Just by
> > vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote
> > > effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.
> > >
> > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
> > > "This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
> > > http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better
> > > serve everyone to forward accurate information about
> > > alternatives to petroleum."
> > >
> > > Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't
> > > heard if it. I will check it from now on.
> > >
> > > I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but
> > > wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day
> > > boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer
> > > period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew
> > > this, it would be this group.
> > > Marilyn
> >


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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[John Hayes]

> You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the following 
> can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott:
> 
> Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : 
> Shell. 205,742,000 barrels 
> Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels 
> Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels 
> Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels 
> Amoco62,231,000 barrels 
> 
> Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: 
> Citgo...0 barrels 
> Sunoco.0 barrels 
> Conoco.0 barrels 
> Sinclair.0 barrels 
> BP/Phillips0 barrels 
> Hess0 barrels 
> ARCO...0 barrels 
> 
> All of this information is available from the Department of Energy 
> and each is required to state where they get their oil and how 
> much they are importing. 

*sigh*

Yet another hoax.

First of all, the numbers are flat out wrong. Second, even if they were 
correct, oil is a fungible commodity, rendering any such boycott 
meaningless.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/saudigas.asp

jh

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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[marilyn]

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:

"11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil 
company to boycott or support.."

You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the following 
can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott:

Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : 
Shell. 205,742,000 barrels 
Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels 
Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels 
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels 
Amoco62,231,000 barrels 

Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: 
Citgo...0 barrels 
Sunoco.0 barrels 
Conoco.0 barrels 
Sinclair.0 barrels 
BP/Phillips0 barrels 
Hess0 barrels 
ARCO...0 barrels 

All of this information is available from the Department of Energy 
and each is required to state where they get their oil and how 
much they are importing. 







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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Keith Addison]

Bravo Andy!

Do you know about the World Carfree Network?

http://www.worldcarfree.net/

Subscribe to WORLD CARFREE NEWS: 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
eng>

Best wishes

Keith


>It would seem that NOT buying gas on Sept 1 will do nothing.  If
>errands, and gasoline (burning) continues without BUYING it will only be
>delayed until, say, Sept 2, or 3.  You'd need a global (or at least
>national) NO DRIVE WEEK.  If everyone didn't drive, or use gasoline for
>a week it could cause a dip in their profits.  I would imagine that if
>we were able to cut our gasoline purchasing down to ONE GALLON PER WEEK
>FOR THE ENTIRE NATION that they would charge 1 billion dollars for that
>gallon, and find a reason because it was so expensive to produce and
>transport that ONE GALLON.  Better you should not USE any petroleum
>products on Sept 1.  Walk or bicycle, or bio, or veggie instead.
>I suggest reading it for yourself at the link previously provided by
>Stan (see below).  It reiterates what I have just spewed, and should
>have just copied it to save my finger's energy (veggie powered).
>
>Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:37:32 -0400
>From: Stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
>
>
>This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
>http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve
>everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to
>petroleum.
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of  you to
> >forward if you want to.




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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Darryl McMahon]

Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their gasoline stations 
up 
for sale.  After all, the managers are required to maximize the returns for 
their 
shareholders.  If the stations are losing money, they have to dump them.  I 
won't 
be holding my breath.

As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.

If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason, 
here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.

1)  Walk somewhere.  Anywhere.  Just leave your guzzler parked.

2)  Get a bicycle.  Preferably something used.  Try your local FreeCycle, or 
bike 
repair co-op, or a used bike dealer.  Find something comfortable and practical 
for 
your use.  Then use it.

3)  Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle.  Correct if necessary.  
Slight 
overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation.  Repeat 
monthly or more frequently if required.

4)  Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule.  Check 
owner's 
manual for details.  Check for dragging brakes, emissions control system 
problems, 
etc while you are at it.

5)  Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).

6)  Use public transit when available and appropriate.  Or carpool.

7)  Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your vehicle.  There 
are 
many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE dual-fuel 
incentive, 
where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable.  Check your 
vehicle manual.  Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make 
your 
own, of course).

8)  Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra weight uses 
more 
energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear.  (e.g. sand and 
salt 
mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).

9)  When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / energy wise 
labels.

10)  When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something that is as 
fuel-
efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not necessarily all of 
your needs.  You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.

11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company to boycott 
or 
support.  Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are local and 
have 
been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable.  I boycott 
Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record (and other 
undesirable practices).  Trust me, if we actually managed to drop Exxon's gross 
revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would definitely get 
their 
attention.  Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't.

12)  Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion.  You get 0 mpg when 
idling in stopped traffic.

I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point is, 
don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.

Darryl McMahon



"mphee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Station owners really don't make much money off of gas.  Their lucky to make a
> nickel a gallon.  They make their money on what's called C-Store sales.
> 
> If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly.
> 
> 
> Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last
> year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it, and you
> sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it.  Just by
> vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.
> 
> 
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote
> > effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.
> > 
> > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
> > "This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
> > http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better 
> > serve everyone to forward accurate information about 
> > alternatives to petroleum."
> > 
> > Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't 
> > heard if it. I will check it from now on.
> > 
> > I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but 
> > wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day 
> > boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer 
> > period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew 
> > this, it would be this group.
> > Marilyn
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[mphee]

Station owners really don't make much money off of gas.  Their lucky to make a
nickel a gallon.  They make their money on what's called C-Store sales.

If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly.


Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last
year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it, and you
sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it.  Just by
vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.


On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote
> effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.
> 
> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
> "This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better 
> serve everyone to forward accurate information about 
> alternatives to petroleum."
> 
> Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't 
> heard if it. I will check it from now on.
> 
> I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but 
> wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day 
> boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer 
> period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew 
> this, it would be this group.
> Marilyn


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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[mphee]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:08:06 -0700 (PDT), Kirk McLoren wrote
> Choke on their stockpiles. Sigh. 
> Do they choke on their stockpiles when transportation is disrupted 
> by storms -- and that is often for many days. Switching to a 
> renewable fuel and not using fuel by changing life style are all 
> that will work.
>  
> Kirk
> 
> Stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better 
> serve everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to 
> petroleum.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of you to 
> >forward if you want to.
> >
> >
> >It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and 
> >Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all 
> >at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their 
> >stockpiles.
> >
> >At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of 
> >over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil 
> >companies.
> >
> >Therefore September 1st has been formally declared "stick it up 
> >their behind " day and the people of these two nations should not 
> >buy a single drop of gasoline that day.
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[marilyn]

effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
"This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better 
serve everyone to forward accurate information about 
alternatives to petroleum."

Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't 
heard if it. I will check it from now on.

I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but 
wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day 
boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer 
period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew 
this, it would be this group.
Marilyn

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[Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Andy Karpay]

It would seem that NOT buying gas on Sept 1 will do nothing.  If
errands, and gasoline (burning) continues without BUYING it will only be
delayed until, say, Sept 2, or 3.  You'd need a global (or at least
national) NO DRIVE WEEK.  If everyone didn't drive, or use gasoline for
a week it could cause a dip in their profits.  I would imagine that if
we were able to cut our gasoline purchasing down to ONE GALLON PER WEEK
FOR THE ENTIRE NATION that they would charge 1 billion dollars for that
gallon, and find a reason because it was so expensive to produce and
transport that ONE GALLON.  Better you should not USE any petroleum
products on Sept 1.  Walk or bicycle, or bio, or veggie instead.
I suggest reading it for yourself at the link previously provided by
Stan (see below).  It reiterates what I have just spewed, and should
have just copied it to save my finger's energy (veggie powered).

Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:37:32 -0400
From: Stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day


This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve 
everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to
petroleum.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of  you to 
>forward if you want to.
>
>
>It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and 
>Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all 
>at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their 
>stockpiles.
>
>At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of 
>over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil 
>companies.
>
>Therefore September 1st has been formally declared "stick it up 
>their behind " day and the people of these two nations should not 
>buy a single drop of gasoline that day.
>
>The only way this can be done is if you forward this e-mail to as 
>many people as you can and as quickly as you can to get the 
>word out.
>
>Waiting on the government to step in and control the prices is not 
>going to happen. What happened to the reduction and control in 
>prices that the Arab nations promised two weeks ago?
>
>Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up 
>but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices, 
>trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects 
>prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing, 
>building materials, medical supplies, etc. Who pays in the end? 
>We do!
>
>We can make a difference. If they don't get the message after 
>one day, we will do it again and again.
>
>So do your part and spread the word. Forward this email to 
>everyone you know.
>
>Mark your calendars and make September 1st a day that the 
>citizens of the United States and Canada say "enough is 
>enough"
>



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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Mike Weaver]

Arggh.

This is an informal intelligence test that has been circulating aroun 
the Internet for at least 8 years under different guises. 
IT IS A HOAX.  DO PAY ANY ATTENTION TO IT.

I mean, think for a minute: "It has been calculated" - by whom?  Some 
bored kid in a dorm?
In the US, no one buy gas on Christmas Day and nothing happens.

-Mike "Home of the 500.00 dollar Nieman Marcus Cookie Recipe" Weaver


Kirk McLoren wrote:

> Choke on their stockpiles. Sigh.
> Do they choke on their stockpiles when transportation is disrupted by 
> storms -- and that is often for many days.
> Switching to a renewable fuel and not using fuel by changing life 
> style are all that will work.
>  
> Kirk
>
> */Stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
> This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve
> everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to
> petroleum.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of you to
> >forward if you want to.
> >
> >
> >It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and
> >Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all
> >at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their
> >stockpiles.
> >
> >At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of
> >over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil
> >companies.
> >
> >Therefore September 1st has been formally declared "stick it up
> >their behind " day and the people of these two nations should not
> >buy a single drop of gasoline that day.
>
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Kirk McLoren]

Choke on their stockpiles. Sigh. 
Do they choke on their stockpiles when transportation is disrupted by storms -- and that is often for many days.
Switching to a renewable fuel and not using fuel by changing life style are all that will work.
 
KirkStan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is mostly an incorrect rumor. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to petroleum.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of you to >forward if you want to.>>>It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and >Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all >at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their >stockpiles.>>At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of >over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil >companies.>>Therefore September 1st has been formally declared "stick it up >their behind " day and the people of these two nations
 should not >buy a single drop of gasoline that day.
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Stan]

This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve 
everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to petroleum.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of  you to 
>forward if you want to.
>
>
>It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and 
>Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all 
>at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their 
>stockpiles.
>
>At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of 
>over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil 
>companies.
>
>Therefore September 1st has been formally declared "stick it up 
>their behind " day and the people of these two nations should not 
>buy a single drop of gasoline that day.
>
>The only way this can be done is if you forward this e-mail to as 
>manypeople as you can and as quickly as you can to get the 
>word out.
>
>Waiting on the government to step in and control the prices is not 
>going to happen. What happened to the reduction and control in 
>prices that the Arab nations promised two weeks ago?
>
>Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up 
>but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices, 
>trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects 
>prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing, 
>building materials, medical supplies, etc. Who pays in the end? 
>We do!
>
>We can make a difference. If they don't get the message after 
>one day, we will do it again and again.
>
>So do your part and spread the word. Forward this email to 
>everyone you know.
>
>Mark your calendars and make September 1st a day that the 
>citizens of the United States and Canada say "enough is 
>enough"
>
>
>
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[Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[marilyn]

This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of  you to 
forward if you want to.


It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and 
Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all 
at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their 
stockpiles.

At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of 
over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil 
companies.

Therefore September 1st has been formally declared "stick it up 
their behind " day and the people of these two nations should not 
buy a single drop of gasoline that day.

The only way this can be done is if you forward this e-mail to as 
manypeople as you can and as quickly as you can to get the 
word out.

Waiting on the government to step in and control the prices is not 
going to happen. What happened to the reduction and control in 
prices that the Arab nations promised two weeks ago?

Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up 
but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices, 
trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects 
prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing, 
building materials, medical supplies, etc. Who pays in the end? 
We do!

We can make a difference. If they don't get the message after 
one day, we will do it again and again.

So do your part and spread the word. Forward this email to 
everyone you know.

Mark your calendars and make September 1st a day that the 
citizens of the United States and Canada say "enough is 
enough"



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