Re: [biofuel] engine coNversion
Some diesel conversions for the Suzuki Samurai http://www.keltec.com/hardware/suzuki.html http://www.rocky-road.com/diesel.html Do some investigating, its very do-able. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=VW+diesel+Suzuki+Samurai __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Engine conversion
I think if I was going to work on fixing an olds that had a 5.7 I would just replace it with a 6.2 or 6.5 These are pretty good engines though alot of mechanics dont know how to rebuild them. I have had alot of luck with them and I abuse them pretty bad... - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Engine conversion girl mark, I have been doing my own research into why the GM diesel failure happened and the only information I have found was that the head bolts stretched and that this was the primary failure for the GM line because the bolts were not torqued at correct intervals and/or the head bolts stretched and were usually not replaced on a rebuilt. Do you have a source on the info about problems with the block crankshaft,etc. ? I'd like to find out more about it. Thanks, Jess I found the same site Robert did when I researched this. Lots of Injector Pump problems, blowing head gaskets, and poor maintenence due to lack of knowledge basically killed them. Many engines were perfesionally changed out by GM mechanics, but still with many top end problems and poor maintenence, and also due to water in the fuel. Also breaking crankshaft and other bottom end problems... http://members.tripod.com/~A350Diesel/disaster.html This is the main site: http://members.tripod.com/~A350Diesel/index-17.html The 350 Diesel Page Best Keith --- Jesse Parris | studio53 | 53 maitland rd | stamford, ct 06906 203.324.4371www.jesseparris.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Engine conversion
HELLOW MR FRIEND, YES U CAN CONVERT YOUR PETROL ENGINES TO DIESEL INJECTION MODE, BUT LIFE OF PISTON ,RINGS, SLEEVES WILL BE LESS, DONT WOREY ABOUT COMPRESION RATIOS AS WOOD GAS WORKES ON LOWCOMPRESION RATIOS. U CAN DO IT YOURSELF, REGARDS, V.GANESAN INDIA. OF Ozan Tezer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello, I produce biodiesel and plan to convert a car engine that works with gas to diesel. I plan to use diesel injectors, instead of spark plugs. I know the compression ratio is different, but I wonder if it works or not. Any idea about it..? also mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Catch all the cricket action. Download Yahoo! Score tracker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Engine conversion
The ratio is REALLY different, and thus a diesel head and block are built much heavier. The early (oil crisis response) atrocious GM diesel failures (which are probably responsible for why AMericans don't drive diesel cars) were essentially a gasoline 350 with a diesel head. They aren't around anymore... for a good reason. the block, crankshaft, etc, just couldn';t take the extreme conditions that a diesel block is built heavy for... Besides this issue, you'd really need a whole new head with a proper prechamber, etc, and a diesel head and cylinder faces is machined just to achieve the proper fuel injection spray pattern and the proper behavior of the gases once they start to ignite. It's not at all the same as a gasoline head and pistons. Mark At 11:57 AM 12/13/2002 +0200, you wrote: Hello, I produce biodiesel and plan to convert a car engine that works with gas to diesel. I plan to use diesel injectors, instead of spark plugs. I know that compression ratio is different, but I wonder if it works or not. Any idea about it..? also mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Engine conversion
Dear Ozan: As you mentioned, the engine compression ratios is going to be a problem. The compression of gasoline engine is around 9 to 1, and the diesel engine is around 20 to1. The modifications to change would be extensive, and expensive. I am not even mentioning the rest the changes of injector pumps, and timing. You would be father ahead to find a diesel engine. Harley -Original Message- From: Ozan Tezer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 3:58 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Engine conversion Hello, I produce biodiesel and plan to convert a car engine that works with gas to diesel. I plan to use diesel injectors, instead of spark plugs. I know the compression ratio is different, but I wonder if it works or not. Any idea about it..? also mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Engine conversion
This is not so. The 5.7 liter Olds diesel was a new engine from the ground up. It shared external dimensions with other V-8 GM engines, but NONE of the internal parts are interchangeable. Where did you get this information? Not doubting what you are saying, however I have been repeatedly told by good sources thta this was a converted gasoline engine. I believed the block was in fact the same as an olds V8... J-L Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Engine conversion
Hello This is the FAQ about gas engine convertion in my country specially with those WW II old military Jeeps or old trucks and the way people has deal with it is the following: They sell the gasoline engine with the gearbox or get rid of them, then they buy an used japanese diesel engine with the gearbox and put them in. There are many importers of used japanese engines here. Regards Juan Paraguay - South America - The ratio is REALLY different, and thus a diesel head and block are built much heavier. The early (oil crisis response) atrocious GM diesel failures (which are probably responsible for why AMericans don't drive diesel cars) were essentially a gasoline 350 with a diesel head. They aren't around anymore... for a good reason. the block, crankshaft, etc, just couldn';t take the extreme conditions that a diesel block is built heavy for... Besides this issue, you'd really need a whole new head with a proper prechamber, etc, and a diesel head and cylinder faces is machined just to achieve the proper fuel injection spray pattern and the proper behavior of the gases once they start to ignite. It's not at all the same as a gasoline head and pistons. Mark At 11:57 AM 12/13/2002 +0200, you wrote: Hello, I produce biodiesel and plan to convert a car engine that works with gas to diesel. I plan to use diesel injectors, instead of spark plugs. I know that compression ratio is different, but I wonder if it works or not. Any idea about it..? also mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Engine conversion
HELLOW MR FRIEND, YES U CAN CONVERT YOUR PETROL ENGINES TO DIESEL INJECTION MODE, BUT LIFE OF PISTON ,RINGS, SLEEVES WILL BE LESS, DONT WOREY ABOUT COMPRESION RATIOS AS WOOD GAS WORKES ON LOWCOMPRESION RATIOS. U CAN DO IT YOURSELF, REGARDS, V.GANESAN INDIA. I think Ozan means gasoline, not woodgas. Keith OF Ozan Tezer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello, I produce biodiesel and plan to convert a car engine that works with gas to diesel. I plan to use diesel injectors, instead of spark plugs. I know the compression ratio is different, but I wonder if it works or not. Any idea about it..? also mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hakan, What we Americans call gas, or gasoline, the British (and perhaps others) call petrol. Craig Hakan Falk wrote: No, he means gas, since Juan was writing about gas engine. Yes, if you want to run a gasoline engine in injection mode for gas, it will work fine. Only a slight language problem and I am happy that I am not the only foreigner with this. It is some differences between English and Americans on petrol, gas etc.. What is what? Hakan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Engine conversion
girl mark, I have been doing my own research into why the GM diesel failure happened and the only information I have found was that the head bolts stretched and that this was the primary failure for the GM line because the bolts were not torqued at correct intervals and/or the head bolts stretched and were usually not replaced on a rebuilt. Do you have a source on the info about problems with the block crankshaft,etc. ? I'd like to find out more about it. Thanks, Jess I found the same site Robert did when I researched this. Lots of Injector Pump problems, blowing head gaskets, and poor maintenence due to lack of knowledge basically killed them. Many engines were perfesionally changed out by GM mechanics, but still with many top end problems and poor maintenence, and also due to water in the fuel. Also breaking crankshaft and other bottom end problems... http://members.tripod.com/~A350Diesel/disaster.html This is the main site: http://members.tripod.com/~A350Diesel/index-17.html The 350 Diesel Page Best Keith --- Jesse Parris | studio53 | 53 maitland rd | stamford, ct 06906 203.324.4371www.jesseparris.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Engine conversion
No, he means gas, since Juan was writing about gas engine. Yes, if you want to run a gasoline engine in injection mode for gas, it will work fine. Only a slight language problem and I am happy that I am not the only foreigner with this. It is some differences between English and Americans on petrol, gas etc.. What is what? Hakan At 01:36 AM 12/14/2002 +0900, you wrote: HELLOW MR FRIEND, YES U CAN CONVERT YOUR PETROL ENGINES TO DIESEL INJECTION MODE, BUT LIFE OF PISTON ,RINGS, SLEEVES WILL BE LESS, DONT WOREY ABOUT COMPRESION RATIOS AS WOOD GAS WORKES ON LOWCOMPRESION RATIOS. U CAN DO IT YOURSELF, REGARDS, V.GANESAN INDIA. I think Ozan means gasoline, not woodgas. Keith OF Ozan Tezer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello, I produce biodiesel and plan to convert a car engine that works with gas to diesel. I plan to use diesel injectors, instead of spark plugs. I know the compression ratio is different, but I wonder if it works or not. Any idea about it..? also mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Engine conversion
stick with converting it to E85 or NG. On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Ozan Tezer wrote: Hello, I produce biodiesel and plan to convert a car engine that works with gas to diesel. I plan to use diesel injectors, instead of spark plugs. I know the compression ratio is different, but I wonder if it works or not. Any idea about it..? also mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Engine conversion
Jean-Leon Morin wrote: Where did you get this information? Not doubting what you are saying, however I have been repeatedly told by good sources thta this was a converted gasoline engine. I believed the block was in fact the same as an olds V8... J-L That's a common belief, and I shared it at one time. However, it's erroneous. The best site on the web I've found for Olds diesel info can be found at the following link: http://members.tripod.com/~A350Diesel/newmain.html You can spend at least an hour reading through everything on that site, and it just might change your mind about this much maligned engine. Personally, I'd like to build one just for the fun of it! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Engine conversion
Nor did you mention the beefier running train(rods, pistons, crank etc.) I believe crank angle may be pretty important here too.. Personally i would never consider converting a gas engine to diesel esp if I was going to increase the compression ratio. Increasing the compression ration adds alot more stress to internal components and they just wont last. Sometimes they wont last 15 minutes. LOL Anyway it is just easier to find a Diesel Longblock and rebuild it. - Original Message - From: harley3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:45 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Engine conversion Dear Ozan: As you mentioned, the engine compression ratios is going to be a problem. The compression of gasoline engine is around 9 to 1, and the diesel engine is around 20 to1. The modifications to change would be extensive, and expensive. I am not even mentioning the rest the changes of injector pumps, and timing. You would be father ahead to find a diesel engine. Harley -Original Message- From: Ozan Tezer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 3:58 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Engine conversion Hello, I produce biodiesel and plan to convert a car engine that works with gas to diesel. I plan to use diesel injectors, instead of spark plugs. I know the compression ratio is different, but I wonder if it works or not. Any idea about it..? also mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Engine conversion
I have worked on these engines too. One of their main problems was their siiliarities to gas engines. Their pistons were kind of lightweight compared to most diesels youwill find today and their crank angle was very steep for such a high compression engine. Some people that like to work on engines have been able to baby them for many miles. I suspect many use synthetic oils and such to give them an edge but for most regular folks they were nothing but trouble. To find any differences between them and a standard olds V8 you would have to get down with a micrometer and search for them. For all practical purposes they just modified a gas engine to be a diesel. - Original Message - From: Jean-Leon Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Engine conversion This is not so. The 5.7 liter Olds diesel was a new engine from the ground up. It shared external dimensions with other V-8 GM engines, but NONE of the internal parts are interchangeable. Where did you get this information? Not doubting what you are saying, however I have been repeatedly told by good sources thta this was a converted gasoline engine. I believed the block was in fact the same as an olds V8... J-L Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Engine conversion
Thanks alot for your info about converting gasoline engine to diesel engine. As a review; finding a diesel engine instead of converting is better... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
