Re: [SWCollect] Ouch
Aaargh... yes, that always makes me whince. There was an eBay auction way back in 2001 for a shrinked Kilrathi Saga, M(S). Apparently the seller was contacted by a guy urging him to check if the wrap was authentic and the game truly unopened. Not knowing what to look for, this poor chap cracked the wrap and happily added a note to his listing that, yes, everything inside was in mint condition. Alexander -Original Message- From: BL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] Ouch http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4130364298 from the auction: Note: Brand new with all the original manuals/disks/box, etc. Only came out of the shrink wrap to be photographed. According to the box it works on any Apple II or III. Doh! Not the sharpest tool in the shed... Brad - Original Message - From: Vincent Joguin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] YEAH-HA-HA! At 16:38 09/05/2004 -0500, you wrote: Heh, just realized, God I hope it's in English. B-) I'm almost certain it's a French version. Games are now always translated here, at least PC games, since about 1996. One of the first games for which I was forced to buy the translated version was King's Quest 7. I nearly haven't bought any PC game from France ever since (most recent is a L'Amerzone/Syberia pack). For some reason, console games are not always translated (for example Shenmue) or are multi-language. Vincent Joguin. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Ouch
Would MS indicate not only the box and contents, but also the wrap is in flawless condition? For me M(S) means the box is perfect and shrinked, while it does leave some variability for the condition of the wrap, which even if free of tears may be in lesser shape at times (store stickers, grime that has settled into the wrap, age discoloration, etc.). Alexander -Original Message- From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 5:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ouch Sorry to be anal, but that's one of my specialties :-) -- Mint sealed is MS not M(S). Hugh -Original Message- From: Alexander Zöller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 6:34 AM To: BL; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ouch Aaargh... yes, that always makes me whince. There was an eBay auction way back in 2001 for a shrinked Kilrathi Saga, M(S). Apparently the seller was contacted by a guy urging him to check if the wrap was authentic and the game truly unopened. Not knowing what to look for, this poor chap cracked the wrap and happily added a note to his listing that, yes, everything inside was in mint condition. Alexander -Original Message- From: BL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] Ouch http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4130364298 from the auction: Note: Brand new with all the original manuals/disks/box, etc. Only came out of the shrink wrap to be photographed. According to the box it works on any Apple II or III. Doh! Not the sharpest tool in the shed... Brad - Original Message - From: Vincent Joguin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] YEAH-HA-HA! At 16:38 09/05/2004 -0500, you wrote: Heh, just realized, God I hope it's in English. B-) I'm almost certain it's a French version. Games are now always translated here, at least PC games, since about 1996. One of the first games for which I was forced to buy the translated version was King's Quest 7. I nearly haven't bought any PC game from France ever since (most recent is a L'Amerzone/Syberia pack). For some reason, console games are not always translated (for example Shenmue) or are multi-language. Vincent Joguin. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Ouch
Basically, MS means factory fresh. Right. So would you agree that both box and wrap need to be immaculate to score a MS rating? IMO the MobyScale doesn't imply this though: No noticable defects *and* sealed in original factory or store shrinkwrap or sticker. Sounds to me as if the box needs to be perfect, while the wrap needs to be the factory type, regardless of condition. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Now assuming there's something that will keep a game from rating MS, I would be obliged to use NM (S) or F (S) just like you say. However this wouldn't reflect the reason for the lower grade -- could be due to the box being slightly dented, or because there are imperfections to the wrap itself. M (S) for a sealed, perfect game in a dirty, discolored wrap goes against the MobyScale scale and therefore should not be used. I could use VG (S) or something, though personally I tend to use this modifier in case I have a battered box in the original wrap. Strictly IMHO, the grades are associated with the box, not the wrap. We have a modifier for a wrap that is torn (T), but none for the wrap's general condition. Maybe that is something which could be added? E.g.: M (S,G) for a perfect box in the original factory wrap, which is only in good condition, but has no tears. This may appear overly accurate to some of you, but it may become important by the time factory shrinkwrap will start to deteriorate because of its age -- mostly turning a yellow color and becoming brittle, that is. And Jim, once opened, it can no longer be mint. No question about that. Alexander -Original Message- From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 6:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ouch Well, you can certainly disagree with the scale, but you can't disagree that MS is the way it is currently published in the scale: http://www.classicgaming.com/gotcha/conditions.htm The purpose of the scale is so we could all start using common terminology as our hobby matures. If you don't like the scale, make suggestions (Jim is the caretaker of the official scale). Otherwise, that's what everyone else is using. Basically, MS means factory fresh. You are correct that there is also a (S) flag, which is used for games that are sealed, but have some defect that keeps it from being MS. For example, you could put NM (S) or F (S). Hugh -Original Message- From: Per-Olof Karlsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 8:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ouch I respectfully disagree. ;) Sealed is a flag, much like IM, MMC and so on. And surely you don't write FMMC for a Fine copy with MMC? Or perhaps NMSTC? That'd make it a lot more cryptic than necessary, imho. - Peo -Original Message- From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: den 10 maj 2004 17:27 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ouch Sorry to be anal, but that's one of my specialties :-) -- Mint sealed is MS not M(S). Hugh -Original Message- From: Alexander Zöller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 6:34 AM To: BL; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ouch Aaargh... yes, that always makes me whince. There was an eBay auction way back in 2001 for a shrinked Kilrathi Saga, M(S). Apparently the seller was contacted by a guy urging him to check if the wrap was authentic and the game truly unopened. Not knowing what to look for, this poor chap cracked the wrap and happily added a note to his listing that, yes, everything inside was in mint condition. Alexander -Original Message- From: BL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] Ouch http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4130364298 from the auction: Note: Brand new with all the original manuals/disks/box, etc. Only came out of the shrink wrap to be photographed. According to the box it works on any Apple II or III. Doh! Not the sharpest tool in the shed... Brad - Original Message - From: Vincent Joguin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] YEAH-HA-HA! At 16:38 09/05/2004 -0500, you wrote: Heh, just realized, God I hope it's in English. B-) I'm almost certain it's a French version. Games are now always translated here, at least PC games, since about 1996. One of the first games for which I was forced to buy the translated version was King's Quest 7. I nearly haven't bought any PC game from France ever since (most recent is a L'Amerzone/Syberia pack). For some reason, console games are not always translated (for example Shenmue) or are multi-language. Vincent Joguin. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject
Re: [SWCollect] Ouch
Great, we seem to be in agreement on most issues ;) You are not wrong. Wrap, of any binding nature, implies that the contents of the box are complete and intact. If you have wrap but it is not binding (ie falling off and you can open the box around it) then it can't be considered MS because the contents may be incomplete. Exactly. Disregarding the existence of air holes here for a moment, the shrinked box would have to swim on the water to grade MS (don't try this at home, kids!) M (S) for a sealed, perfect game in a dirty, discolored wrap goes against the MobyScale scale and therefore should not be used. I could use VG (S) Wrong; see above explanation. Okay, some confusion here I think. M (S) is wrong because the correct term would be MS. I presume you are saying VG (S) is also wrong because as per the scale, the game would grade MS regardless of how dirty the wrap is, as long as it's binding? This is where I have some concerns. Worst case: an unopened game in a dirty, smeared wrap could be passed off as MS and sold as such. It was in the factory wrap after all. I am open to debate on this issue. Personally I don't see the need to grade the wrap, but if anyone has any opinions, I'm open to hearing them. Yes, I'm aware this is nitpicking what I do ;) But I try to accurately grade my games and I don't think it's justified to grade a shrinked game MS even when the wrap looks and is dirty. And I'm also hesitant to use G (S) instead in such a case as the box and contents are, after all, mint. M must be S or else you can't use M. So hopefully you meant something like VG (S,G). Yes, silly mistake there. Try that again: MS (wrap: G). Something like that! Old/yellow/brittle wrap is not something I would consider meaningful to collecting, because unless you artifically age the process (store your games in direct sunlight, etc.) every single shrinked game, regardless of condition of the box, will have the same wrap. All 30-yr-old games will have brittle wrap, all 5-yr-old games will have common perfect wrap, etc. But I am only one person, of course; any other opinions out there? If you're right then this additional differentiation is indeed superfluous. But I think the way a shrinked game is stored will have a noticable effect on how its wrap will age. Stored in the dark or always displayed in bright sunlight, etc. 20 years down the road we will have games with the wrap nearly falling apart (still 'binding' though :-)) and others which even wrap-wise still look as if they came out of the factory yesterday. Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Ouch
I know what you're saying. You crack the wrap, the game is still stone mint, but it will only grade NM. There's a good reason to this however. Only with the factory wrap can a game be graded mint, because once opened, it's no longer as it comes from the factory. So I'm with Jim on this one. Alexander -Original Message- From: BL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 7:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ouch Jim, we've been over this a few times before. Say I have 2 wrapped boxes, and rip the wrap off one, then rip the wrap off the other a year later - the first one's box is still in Near Mint, while you are telling me that the one I just ripped the wrap off is should be considered the same, since Mint is only possible with S? My old arguement was that M should be a grade alone, while S a modifier; applyable to any grade. Brad - Original Message - From: Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ouch BL wrote: Oh no, not the M/S conversation again.. hehe, I've learned to just drop this one - yes, there's an anomoly in the scale, and no it won't be corrected. :) Mint means as it comes from the factory. I don't think this fact is in dispute. Since coming from the factory also means factory shrinkwrapped, how can something that is open be considered Mint? Debate on this issue is welcome, because I want to hear other people's opinion. It won't change the Scale, though, since we talked about that for months to get it right (and in fact was the primary purpose of this mailing list). You can use whatever scale you like, but make sure you clarify it as your own and publish it somewhere where we can reference it. Most people here use the MobyScale system for grading the condition of software (because we all created and agreed on it), so if you use your own you need to clarify that. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Ouch
Jim Leonard wrote: No, that is not what I am saying. VG (S) means a box that has a few defects (usually crushing, a dent, etc.) but still has the shrinkwrap. [and] Well, G (S) to describe the WRAP would be incorrect usage of the Scale. Acknowledged. No downgrading of a game when only the factory wrap exhibits signs of age, whereas the box is perfect. I guess in retrospect, having Mint Sealed can confuse some people, but it was *more* confusing to have someone sell you something described as mint and then getting an open box. Aye. MS is quite a bit like NRFB, it's our way of describing that the item is still in factory condition. -- surely you don't have that many... True. These are rare cases. When the wrap is worn the box will most likely have taken a hit as well, so there's no point in describing the shape of the wrap separately. As said before, this may become more important in the future for collectors who are fanatic about condition. Yes, silly mistake there. Try that again: MS (wrap: G). Something like that! Good idea! I've never seen that usage before, but (wrap: G) makes perfect sense and is valid. If you agree, I can add it to the FAQ section of the MobyScale -- let me know. That would be nice! It would really help for the few cases in which one may want to also describe the condition of the wrap in the abbreviated form. I can picture it now: Dufus! You proudly displayed your complete Mt. Drash in your apartment window for a week for bragging rights? Of course this would probably yellow the BOX and not the wrap ;) Case in point (no,... not Drash) I have a few Ultima boxes where the color is almost completely gone. They must have been sitting in the sun for years. Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Ouch
Jim Leonard wrote: Excellent. I've added it to the MobyScale, which now inches up to revision 1.03. The full permanent location of the MobyScale, as always, is http://www.mobygames.com/info/MobyScale;. Very many thanks. Back to more important topics we go ;-) Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Talking about rarity/value
eriqchang: wow, this guy is leaving weird feedback. Just scored his first neg as a result. Alexander -Original Message- From: BL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Talking about rarity/value Whos this guy? He won an auction of mine, and left this for feedback - he as well as sniped me a couple of times, grr! :) Wondering if he is on this list.. Feedback: I belong to a very elite group of gamers and we all trade on Ebay! OH YES WE DO! Buyer eriqchang( 219) Brad - Original Message - From: Dan Chisarick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Talking about rarity/value As an aside I've gotten creamed by this guy on several occasions. I think he just 'safety bids' on everything :) I'd love to see his collection. Perhaps an invite to the list? On Jan 30, 2004, at 12:10 AM, Stephane Racle wrote: Wow... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemcategory=3561item=3073649958 -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] eBay's Latest
I ran a ton of search runs for completed items last week and didn't have to log in, I sure have to do now, they must have changed this very recently. Alexander -Original Message- From: C.E. Forman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:55 PM To: Software Collectibles Mailing List Subject: [SWCollect] eBay's Latest Has anyone else noticed this? I just went to do a completed-auctions search on eBay, and it made me sign in first! There's a page that now says you have to be registered with eBay to do a completed search. It's only a matter of time before they start charging for this. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] eBay's Latest
Something else I noticed is sometimes I have a hard time logging in. It has told me more than once that my user ID doesn't exist. Oh yeah! I had that one recently when bidding 15 secs till end of auction. Having to type in my username again, it came out as a two-second snipe (phew!) :) Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] ultima 1 sealed on ebay
Wrap looks good to me, have seen several shrinked copies of the 1986 release (as well as other Ultimas from the time)thatexhibit these characteristics. Only thing I find a bit odd is the Review Copy sticker; definitely notthekind OSI (or Broderbund?)stuck on the boxes (in that case all the materials insidewould be stamped "Review Copy" as well, I doubtthis is true for this specimen). So there's a limited risk this might be a store re-wrap. If I were interested in bidding I'd make sure to request close-ups of the seams and air holes. /Alexander -Original Message-From: B.L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:28 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [SWCollect] ultima 1 sealed on ebay Hey all, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3062902605category=11050 Intresting, butany chance this is a fake? Brad
Re: [SWCollect] Auction of Interest
Interesting collection, although none of the WC titles you mention should be classified as ultra-rare IMHO ;) If broken up the lot may be worth $2000+, almost no trash in there. Oh and in case brofae should turn out the winner, he might end up having to put down another $120 or so for having it all shipped to Germany,... surface, that is. Alexander -Original Message- From: C.E. Forman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:22 PM To: Software Collectibles Mailing List Subject: [SWCollect] Auction of Interest It's way beyond the point of bidding for me, but I've been following this one with interest: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3055787719category=11047 rd=1 128 games. Seems like an awfully high bid, as most large lots don't fetch nearly the combined value of the individual pieces... until you realize it's got a number of ultra-rares toward the bottom: The Deluxe edition of Wing Commander 2, Premiere WC3, and Kilrathi Saga. Lot of LucasArts talkies, too, and just about every PC version of the Sierra Quest games you could want. Any bets on what this'n'll close at? -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Anyone Know This One?
Just like certain Avalon Hill titles (particulary Third Reich stuff), simulations of this kind seem to fetch rather high prices every now and then. I guess that's mostly due to a bunch of afficionados battling it out on eBay - not because of the game's value as a collectible, they simply enjoyed playing it years ago and get all excited over finding it again. Alexander -Original Message- From: C.E. Forman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:19 AM To: Software Collectibles Mailing List Subject: [SWCollect] Anyone Know This One? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3050850521category=41068 rd=1 I've never heard of this title, but it's unusual to see a combat sim go this high. Anybody familiar with it? -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Hello!
Well, I hope this doesnt bring out hundreds of them L Not likely... although I'm sure there *are* several dozen more copies out there, if not hundreds, soI guess one or two other Drashsmight appear on eBay soon, remember what happened after that first Atari U1 fetched $860? ;-) What'severybody's guess on how many copies of Drashwere produced? Alexander
Re: [SWCollect] The Origin Museum is in DANGER!
Argh, water damage is as disastrous as it gets, mildew being the biggest risk as it may develop very quickly in the coming days. My sincere good wishes you will be able to ride this out, I know there are a lot of items that simply cannot be replaced! :( Alexander -Original Message- From: Origin Museum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 11:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] The Origin Museum is in DANGER! Hello All! It is with a sad heart that I write this. After sustaining a major snowstorm here in the Washington D.C. area, The aftermath today of torrential rains and high temeratures have flooded The Origin Museum. The software has been saved from direct water damage, but the risk of future mildew is high. The continuing flow of water has completely soaked about half the carpets in the Museum, and there is no immediate end in sight. I sit here in the only dry corner of the museum, taking a break from my vigilant shop-vac duties. I am resolute in my efforts, but the contents of my basement (duplicates) and our beautiful Berber (read-extremly expensive) carpets are all but destroyed. We DID manage to save the Akalabeths (and many other irreplaceable artifacts)from certain doom, when I managed to lift the 150 pound safe off of the floor, with the water almost up to the door! Other neighbors didn't fare as well. Next door's basement is under 1 foot of water, and is still flowing in thru the door and windows. His entire lower level (that he just refinished last summer) is gone. I will continue my efforts thru the night, and hope that you will all give us your well wishes. --The Museum is safe, but my basement (and my self) are soaked with sadness. ...Preserving Worlds... Joe Garity Curator of The Origin Museum - Express yourself with a super cool email address from BigMailBox.com. Hundreds of choices. It's free! http://www.bigmailbox.com - -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] WC3: Premiere Edition
Wow, talk about asking and receiving :) That is some great info, thanks, Joe! It looks like we could attribute the low production figure only to the direct sale release, some 1,500 copies seem realistic for a mail-order item. I'm almost sure the European release included not only the T-shirt, but also the VHS tape and calendar. The opened copy I have may be incomplete, but here's a pic I saved from eBay: http://uw3.de/wc3_premiere_4.jpg The calendar is what sits between canister and tape. Thanks again for the information, further details would be great! /Alexander -Original Message- From: Origin Museum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 7:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re: [SWCollect] WC3: Premiere Edition I don't think that I can straighten this out, but I may be able to shed a little light on the subject: To the best of my knowledge, there were 3 different versions of the Wing 3 Premiere Edition: 1. Direct Sale from EA--This was the FULL package, obtainable only via mail-order. This included the game (in the film canister), the music CD, the VHS video, the T-Shirt, the 'Behind The Screens' CD, and the 1995 Wing Commander calendar. This version came in a BROWN Cardboard Mailing Box, with the extras packaged OUTSIDE the canister...there was NO 'game box' for this version. 2. European Release--This is the box that Alexander shows. Since I do not have a copy of this (gasp!), I cannot list the contents with any authority, but I'm guessing that it included the T-shirt, but did NOT include the calendar, or the VHS tape. 3. American 'SAMS CLUB' release--This is the more familiar 'BOXED' version, seen on U.S. Ebay most of the time. It did NOT include the calendar, or the VHS tape. Now for the variations: *I have seen some of the canisters that do NOT have the sticker on the front(Tom's SAMS club one, and MY Australian Direct Sales version). I assume that EA ran out of stickers, and just continued to sell the packages. **I have also seen versions where various extras were NOT included in the SAMS boxes, and the advertising for the items on the outside of the box is just 'blackened out' with magic marker (--I assume another EA resolution to running out of a particular 'extra'). I'll do a bit more research on this, and post my results later, if anyone is interested. '...Preserving Worlds...' Joe Garrity Curator of The Origin Museum [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:56:21 EST Re: [SWCollect] WC3: Premiere Edition [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 02/02/2003 9:53:29 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The first link was to a scan of an outer box with blacked out T-shirt note, not the film canister. Never mind ;-) Looked like film can with sticker but no premier edition words to me Alexander, none of them were a box? Or maybe I'm going crazy. ;) Tom msg2.html - Express yourself with a super cool email address from BigMailBox.com. Hundreds of choices. It's free! http://www.bigmailbox.com - -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] WC3: Premiere Edition
WC3 Premiere I didn't hear of until it was fetching high prices on Ebay. HOWEVER, I bought a copy not too long ago for $29.95 from an online store that found a whole bunch of them somewhere. I don't remember the name of the store offhand, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is the source of what's been turning up recently. Sounds like an explanation, especially since those copies on eBay were still sealed. Let's hope a few more will turn up, I'm still looking for a shrinked US release. It's amazing how quickly leftover stock from a single source can devalue an item on eBay. Duckman comes to mind... used to be $300, is now $25 after a German GTZ user sold some 50 copies to most of the serious adventure collectors out there. Made a small fortune that way. Wasn't me, unfortunately ;) /Alexander -Original Message- From: Stuart Feldhamer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SWCollect] WC3: Premiere Edition I own both of these games. I bought Kilrathi Saga when it came out, from EB. (Too bad I disposed of the box.) WC3 Premiere I didn't hear of until it was fetching high prices on Ebay. HOWEVER, I bought a copy not too long ago for $29.95 from an online store that found a whole bunch of them somewhere. I don't remember the name of the store offhand, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is the source of what's been turning up recently. Stuart -Original Message- From: Alexander Zöller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 6:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] WC3: Premiere Edition I was surprised to see two shrinkwrapped copies on eBay within as little as two weeks: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3000847934 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3002417968 I know we've been discussing this before - production run significantly lower than that of the Kilrathi Saga, Premiere Edition's value *should* be higher than the Saga's in view of its availability, etc. I remember that someone on this list gave the Saga's production figure as 22,000 copies and the Premiere Ed's as 1,500. Wondering if anyone is able to confirm this, especially if the discrepancy really is that big. Also if anyone has information about European releases of the Premiere Edition other than English and German. I've been told a French version does also exist. Here's a side-by-side comparison of the different boxes I have: http://uw3.de/wc3+saga.jpg Top: Premiere Ed European release (German version), Premiere Ed US release Bottom: WC3 German release, WC3 US release, Kilrathi Saga Thanks, /Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] WC3: Premiere Edition
Argh -- I paid more for my UNwrapped, INcomplete package. Argh. I paid $125 for my shrinked European release, the only sealed copy I've ever come across. WC3 Premiere was rather common on eBay Germany roughly a year ago (at least one copy per month), but often missing important components, people seem to have struggled keeping all the parts together. /Alexander -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] WC3: Premiere Edition Alexander Zöller wrote: I was surprised to see two shrinkwrapped copies on eBay within as little as two weeks: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3000847934 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3002417968 Argh -- I paid more for my UNwrapped, INcomplete package. Argh. Well, at least I got my hands recently on the Creative pack-in Wing Commander IV DVD version (with real DVD video) *and* got it to work perfectly on my W98 system with Hollywood + MPEG decoder. And it was great until I realized I suck at playing WC :-) DVD and slipcover only, no box was ever released... I paid $31. Fair, I thought. Too high, too low? Comments welcome. I hear that the Wing Commander IV DVD retail version -- A single DVD with the contents of all 6 CDROMS on it -- is more rare because it had a more limited production run. Can anyone confirm or deny? -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ebay Gets Crazier and Crazier
Too bad about that big box U2... at least he doesn't threaten to leave negative fb on snipers, seen that happen a few times (and it always struck me as the most inane thing to do when selling on eBay). /Alexander -Original Message- From: Stefan Lindblom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 3:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ebay Gets Crazier and Crazier Mmm was thinking about that one myself since I dont have Ultima II.. but like you say, all the crap, his own rules.. makes you wanna puke. Leaving that one for you guys. Is it even possible to add the surcharge like he mentions? Stefan - Original Message - From: Edward Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ebay Gets Crazier and Crazier On Saturday, February 1, 2003, at 06:06 PM, Stuart Feldhamer wrote: OK, look at this. I found this auction on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=11047item=3004366043 I was thinking, this is weird. It says 125 games, but only a few are listed. And the feedback rating is only 3. So I figured, let's see what else this guy has to offer. And look what came up! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=323item=2909591867 Here's one that's truly annoying: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2303780307category=189. There's so much verbiage (note the False Negative Feedback section) that you just want to pass on by. -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ebay Gets Crazier and Crazier
Quaresma's Law no doubt, although this combination is particularly stupid :D /Alexander -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:38 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ebay Gets Crazier and CrazierThe person who "won" the auction is ebay member since Feb 1 2003. What I don't get is why he would change buy it now to $500 then create new ID to bid and end the auction. Why $500, now he will have to pay $500 final value fees? Ebay gets Crazier and Crazier is rightTom
Re: [SWCollect] WC3: Premiere Edition
Tom, you're on to something, I took a look at the images I saved. I have one pic of a box where the T-shirt linehas been(partially) blacked out.Also there's a variation of the canister's label, not all seem tohave the "Premiere Edition" writing: http://uw3.de/wc3_premiere_1.jpg http://uw3.de/wc3_premiere_2.jpg http://uw3.de/wc3_premiere_3.jpg If they ran out of T-shirts that might explain the existence of so many 'incomplete' copies... Oh and could it be the firstpic (scan)was actuallytaken by you? I cannot remember how it made its way into my archive but I don't believe it came from an auction. /Alexander -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 3:17 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [SWCollect] WC3: Premiere EditionIn a message dated 02/02/2003 7:30:00 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I paid $125 for my shrinked European release, the only sealed copy I'veever come across. WC3 Premiere was rather common on eBay Germany roughlya year ago (at least one copy per month), but often missing importantcomponents, people seem to have struggled keeping all the parts together.I'm not sure all of these are the same. I've seen a few of these big box/cannister releases that don't come with everything. In fact I have one, the spot where it says tshirt included on the box is blacked out. And I've seen others the same way (missing some other items too, at least mine is, mine does have the cannister but there is no picture on it). Maybe there was a "budget" premier edition too (the Sam's release?) By the way that IBM UII was/is not good, the contents were not from the big box, for sure the manual and galactic map/ref card are from a small box version.Tom
Re: [SWCollect] WC3: Premiere Edition
The first link was to a scan ofan outer box with blacked out T-shirt note, not the film canister.Never mind ;-) So far it looks as if there are at least three variations of the US release, but if the WCs are anything like the Ultimas, there must be more ;-) /Alexander -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 4:04 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [SWCollect] WC3: Premiere EditionIn a message dated 02/02/2003 8:40:58 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh and could it be the first pic (scan) was actually taken by you? I cannot remember how it made its way into my archive but I don't believe it came from an auction.Don't know about that Alexander unless you are refering to the first link you just sent, that would not be me. My film can has no sticker on it at all, it is just a blank metal cannister.Tom
Re: [SWCollect] New topic--Collectors UNITE!
Same here, left for a few days and BAM! 120+ new messages :) Anyway, here's a recent pic of mine: http://uw3.de/me.jpg /Alexander -Original Message- From: Stephen S. Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 12:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] New topic--Collectors UNITE! I go away for a week and this mailing EXPLODES! Sheesh :) Anyway, I'm 29. I'd tell you how many months but no one else seems to be either, so there :) Referring to another discussion: I also own an Ultima II large box. In fact, I don't have either of the other two package types available for IBM at all -- this is the only U2 solo I have at all. Some idiot put this up with a Buy It Now! of $25. Who was I to turn that down? It had even been up for like four hours when I nailed it, too. The box is in rough shape, unfortunately, so it's not worth the full $200 or so, but it's still one of my great prizes. -- Stephen On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Pedro Quaresma wrote: Actually the nestling must probably be Alexander. If I'm not mistaken he's 24. Dan is 28 IIRC, and John Romero is 35 (he's the only list member whose data we can find on the web ;) ) Alexander - 24 Steve - 25 Stefan - 26 Pedro - 26 Stuart - 27 C.E. - 28 Dan - 28 John R. - 35 Chris N. - 36 Joe - 38 (Average so far is 29.3 -- do notice the lack of any members in the 28-35 range ) Who's not on the above list, start talking ;) Tom? Jim? Edward? -- Pedro R. Quaresma Salvador Caetano IMVT Div. Sistemas de Informação / Systems and Information Division Administração e Desenvolvimento Lotus Notes / Lotus Notes Admnistration and Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] // +351 22 7867000 (ext. 3492) It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/C: Ref: cc: Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] New topic--Collectors UNITE! Marco Thorek [EMAIL PROTECTED] 28-01-2003 18:36 Solicita-se resposta a swcollect Damn, and I thought I was the youngest at 30 :-) But I'd say we roughly all belong to the same generation, born between 1965 and 1975. You are the nestling, Stephen ;-) Marco Stephen Emond schrieb: I'm probably one of the youngest at 25... -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ ToyotaShopping - A sua Loja Toyota Online http://www.toyota.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ultima IV - US Gold
It's rather scarce but often overlooked, usually fetches $25-$35. From my experience there are approximately 6-8 copies on eBay each year. Most of them turn up on eBay UK, a few on eBay Germany. There was no ankh included. /Alexander -Original Message- From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 5:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] Ultima IV - US Gold I recently picked up a European Ultima IV (published by U.S. Gold). I've generally ignored non- U.S. releases, but the opportunity presented itself on this one. So anybody know what the rarity is on this? Any idea what they go for on eBay usually? Also, I'm not sure if mine's complete. Did they leave the ankh out of this version or is mine missing? It has a paper map (instead of a cloth one), FYI. Hugh -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Wizardry maps
I just asked the seller, he confirmed that he is in fact the guy who originally drew them. Yeah, been talking to him as well, here's the story: I had about 75 to 100 of 'em a couple of weeks ago, when I came across a box-full of this stuff in the attic, but I threw all of 'em away except for a half-dozen or so. There *might* be more up there somewhere, but I kinda doubt it. I should've thought to list them on eBay before tossing all of them, though. A *really* stupid move on my part -- I had *no* idea that so many people would be interested in owning a copy. I remember the golden days of Amazement Grafix quite fondly. At the time it cost me about 50 cents to put a copy together, and I sold 'em for $7.50 each through a classified ad in SoftTalk magazine ($10 a month for the ad). I ran the ad until SoftTalk went out of business, and by the time the magazine folded (just over a year after I'd started selling the maps) I'd sold $36,000 (!!!) worth of 'em. B-) /Alexander - Original Message - From: Alexander Zoller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 5:03 AM Subject: [SWCollect] Wizardry maps Hi all, this appears to be one of the scarcer pieces of paraphernalia for the early Wizardry games: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1943992206 It's the third or fourth copy the seller is listing, already got one myself. Anyone ever came across these before? /Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Time for my introduction
Hi Stefan,
welcome to the list! Thanks for introducing yourself, always great to learn
how other collectors got drawn into the hobby. Your story of investing a
small fortune to build your initial collection sounds all too familiar,
I've only recently come to balance out my spendings through trades and
sales. I started with virtually no collectible games ('cept for the few
which I had previously purchased in stores) in 1999, and the next years saw
me buying heavily on eBay. Ebay,... the sudden shock upon realising there's
a huge supply of vintage software out there, and that it wasn't hiding from
you like all those tiny internet sites with lists of old software, but a
giant market with literally thousands of interesting pieces... :)
I know have about 400 Origin titles, mostly Ultimas, which are my specialty
and my most priced collectibles.
The monetary aspect is something I mentioned on this list before -- it's
still possible to get started as a vintage software collector these days,
but only if you have some real funds on your hands. This is likely to
become more and more difficult, right up to the point where newbies may
find it impossible to break into this hobby because they cannot afford the
initial investment.
There aren't too many people that exclusively collect SSI games, it's a
rich field but somewhat underrated due to the extremely high production
figures of certain titles. The market values seem to fluctuate wildly and
I'm sure you're more knowledgeable on the subject than most of us.
Personally I only pick them up as trade bait (term (c) Tom Mage).
Oh and lastly, there really is no need to worry about your age, I think I'm
still the youngest here at age 23 (unless there's another lurker who hasn't
come forward yet) :-)
/Alexander
-Original Message-
From: Stefan Lindblom [mailto:stefan.lindblom;telia.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 10:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SWCollect] Time for my introduction
Greetings everyone,
After lurking in this little list for 2 months now I felt now it's the time
come out of the closet ;)
As you can see, my name is Stefan Lindblom. I am from Sweden, 25 years old,
and as my friend Pedro here pointed out, don't look nerdish enough to be
allowed to collect old games :)
Anyway, when I was 12 I bought my first SSI ADD game, Secret of the Silver
Blades. That become the first game to mean something for me, there was magic
surrounding it. 2 years later I bought War of the Lance, both for the C-64.
I sold them along with my computer to some guy from St. Petersburg who
wanted it for his son. I got a Russian annual wage for it, almost feel bad
about it. The story behind him was that Russian ships used to come to my
hometown to deliver lumber/timber for our huge sawmill.
Off topic after 5 min.. great..
War of the Lance was my way into the Dragonlance world. I am now a proud
owner of every novel and every add on(atlas, bestiary and so on) that I am
aware of. Something 15 year-old may have eluded me but I sure you will be
happy to tell me.
Btw, do guys mind me using smilies? I tend to be full of irony and sarcasm
and dont want to be misinterpreted. I mean you guys being adult(except
Pedro) and everything, you might take offence from a brat like me :)
Jumping a few years here, to the summer of -99. I found a place called Ebay,
I am sure it is familiar ;)
I started searching some at random, probably began with War of the Lance and
Amberstar. And after a while I realized that hey, this was cool, I also had
about $1 in my bankaccount. So..
Half a year later and $6000 poorer(maybe $2000 for shipping only since I
live in Sweden, sucks), I was the owner of 151 SSI games, mostly the smaller
boxes like the Goldbox games. 350 games in total I believe, the rest was
mostly games I had fond memories of like the Ultima games, Legend of
Faerghail, Defender of the Crown, Dark Heart of Uukrul and so on. Since I
moved down to Stockholm, all these games have been stored at my parents
place, the attic. Every time I go there I go up there and unpack them just
to look at them, I really miss them. I brought my favorite games down here,
just to sit in the bookshelf brightening my day.
I have thought about selling many of my games, but I dont know how. Since
most people are in the US, I doubt they would want to pay the shipping,
about $10 per game. And since I wouldn't sell any $100 games.. well. I have
sold a few to a guy from Finland but that was all.
During my ebay days, haven't really been there since, I came into contact
with you some of you guys. Tom Mage was the first, and the best contact I
had abroad, he helped me get my hands on the U9 Dragon Ed since it wasn't
released in Sweden, I also bought a bunch of nice games from him. Even think
I got my shrinkwrapped copy of War of the Lance from him, hardly have to
mention that is one of my favorites :)
I remember asking Tom if he knew my age.. he guessed right, I was perplexed,
but then he said I was probably young
[SWCollect] Is nothing sacred?
Okay, so I lost this eBay auction a little while ago. Or more precisely, I didn't snipe it because I knew the high bidder and didn't want to ruin it for him. Now the seller gets back to me with the following message: Hey Stalwart, A few weeks ago, you were interested in bidding on my Ultima VI RARE box. Unfortunately, a fellow countryman of yours won the auction. I'm following up with you because I'd like to turn you on to some info. I'd like to send you some info about an internet marketing program that I started using as a result of my free stuff search on Ebay. Would you mind receiving an informational email regarding this program? It's not spam and I don't have a list of victims. I'm making some lite commissions so far using the techniques I've learned and I want to spread the wealth! I don't even have a web site yet! But I'm working on it. If it's ok, let me know and I'll follow up with a short email with a web link. Thanks for reading. Yeah, sure. Now to add you to my ignore list... /Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Greetings
IM modifier: if the box is missing you obviously can't grade its condition, so ED would be misleading just like you said. Perhaps IM should represent a modifier _and_ condition, at least as far as the packaging is concerned. If you only have the floppy in flawless shape the correct grading should be IM/NM(IM,MMC). Of course this still doesn't indicate it's just the floppy unless you add a short description. It might make more sense to create a new condition for just the software, to avoid this lengthy construction. /Alexander -Original Message- From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Greetings Hey guys, Brad and I have been working on this import feature for his site, and one of the things that is coming out of it is a list of every possible combination of condition and modifier. And, wow, there are a lot! While editing the list a couple of issues came up that I would like your opinions on. Pleae see below and weigh in. Thanks One thing that might make the list shorter...I've never used IM and MMC modifiers for the same game. Although this certainly could be the case for a single gamefor example, it could be missing the manual (IM) and the warranty card (MMC). However, I think the spirit of these two modifiers is that MMC isn't necessary if IM is already used. MMC is used when you just want to note that something very minor is missing (so it would let a potential buyer/trader know it isn't QUITE complete). Where as IM is obviously worse and would imply potentially many items missing (including minor items). In either case, all missing items should be described in the notes. I will put this one by the group to see what they say on the subject. Another issue. I may have been doing this wrong, but again I'll pose it to the group. When all I have is the floppy disk (and everything else is missing) I put IM/IM (meaning that the box is missing and part of the contents are missing). Then I put floppy only in the notes. Maybe I should use ED/ED (IM)instead of IM/IM, but that is misleading I think. Why do I say IM/IM might be wrong? Well IM is a modifier and not actually a condition and therefore shouldn't stand on it's own. Thoughts? Hugh -Original Message- From: CcomputerGameCollector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Greetings Where the conditions are listed, it clearly states that NM is no defects, no wrap, but you mentioned that NM can have the modifier of (S)? I certainly understand the need for NM (S), but perhaps you should modify that page a bit to clear things up? Brad - Original Message - From: Hugh Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:36 AM Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Greetings We were working under the premise that no opened game truly mint. Mint is too often used and abused by sellers, and different people have different levels of detail when determining mint status. Therefore, if it has ever been opened, NM is the best it gets. NM (S) is also possible if there is one extremely minor defect, but the box is still sealed. NM (S)(T) is also common for a game that simply has a tear in the shrinkwrap but is otherwise new looking. Hugh -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Greetings
Disk sleeves: I think the only workaround would be to add even more conditions and modifiers to the MobyScale. It's just too abridged to convey this kind of detail. Nothing can replace a short, insightful description. I could actually live with a MobyScale that is imperfect in this respect. It was tailored to accurately grade and describe packages that are more or less complete, not single materials. I agree that the MMC note is negligible in case important components are missing. I would leave it to the seller though if they want to include this or not. /Alexander -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 7:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Greetings At first I agreed that MO is a good idea, but it doesn't clear up the entire issue. What if you have a floppy and its disk sleeve? What if you have a floppy and manual only (but not the map). These would still be vaild uses of IM/IM, with a note as to what you have or what is missing. I still prefer this to MO. I like the first suggestion of allowing IM to be a condition, but this would require an update to MobyScale. IM would be a condition and (MMC) would be a modifier. So examples would be: IM/IM IM/VG (MMC) F/IM But you would never need: IM/IM (MMC) or F/IM (MMC). In other words, (MMC) should never be used in conjunction with an IM used to describe contents. Hugh On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:40:29 -0400 CcomputerGameCollector [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IM modifier: if the box is missing you obviously can't grade its condition, so ED would be misleading just like you said. Perhaps IM should represent a modifier _and_ condition, at least as far as the packaging is concerned. If you only have the floppy in flawless shape the correct grading should be IM/NM(IM,MMC). Of course this still doesn't indicate it's just the floppy unless you add a short description. It might make more sense to create a new condition for just the software, to avoid this lengthy construction. /Alexander Agreed, a simple MO for Media Only would clear this all up. Brad -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Greetings
Hi, thanks for responding to our concerns one by one :) Price guide: many of us are reluctant to work with fixed prices. It tends to take some of the fun out of collecting if everyone knows what they can expect for an item. Cruel as it may sound, I prefer to deal with the occasional uneducated buyer or seller at times :) If this were strictly an eBay thing, however, (typical 'going rate' an item fetches on eBay, and perhaps the highest price ever paid) I would accept this feature with alacrity. Without doubt eBay has a very strong influence on the market and tends to set the values for high-profile items (examples being the Kilrathi Saga, Roberta Williams Anthology, or talkie versions of LucasArts adventures), some of which have remained stable for months. I for one would welcome a feature that enables me to check what I would have to pay for an item on eBay, or what I could get for it. Not to mention looking up prices simply because I'm curious! I just wouldn't define this as the 'real' value of an item. This is entirely dependent on the subjective judgement of every single collector. It's a bit different with eBay, you may not like the prices, but they exist, and I'd sure like to know about them. Just a suggestion of course, and not even a very good one perhaps, as we would have to update the values in a regular fashion. /Alexander -Original Message- From: CcomputerGameCollector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Greetings Feedback for issues regarding http://computergamecollector.com What I will never be able to agree to, however, are the availability ratings. Most of what has been added so far is very common IMHO, or uncommon at best. It's typically listed as extremely rare though. Wouldn't be sad if that column were removed completely. Agreed. The merit of such a thing is certainly debatable. If no one wants this sort of information, I'll gladly remove this column from the DB. It would also be nice, for someone like me (and I'm guessing like most of us on the list), to upload a comma delimited file (in the format specified by the site) that can automatically convert your collection...or at least give you a huge head start. Working on a collection importer/exporter as we speak. It's pretty much done, but want to do some more testing before I unleash it. At the moment I'm reluctant to do much with CGC because it doesn't support bulk uploads. If there were a way to load my entire collection at once (as well as bulk-suggest additions to the master list -- I have a lot of obscure stuff), I'd post it in an instant. This seems to be many people's concern; I'm working on it :) Interjection: it seems pretty useless to me to be creating yet another master list of games when Moby already exists. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a SOAP service or some other web API that people could use to access the information from Moby, perhaps for some sort of licensing fee? Since there's so much in the DB already (complete with screenshots, box shots, etc.), it seems foolish to me to duplicate the effort. As was mentioned, Moby covers a limited number of systems, hence certain box releases of certain games, and games never released on pc compats are not represented. I realize Moby's is an unmatched resource, and I'm not looking to replace that at all. While Moby's is based mostly on providing information (to my knowledge), my site serves additional functionality. I'd probably know his eBay ID if I see it. Site is employing a price guide for mint sealed games, this ought to create some controversy. Does anyone find this controversal? It's not meant to be, and is far from an ironclad value. If I see a new classic game that sells on ebay, I enter the mint sealed price in a $20 range or so. If nothing else, it's an estimate of the most recent copies that were sold on ebay. Of course it will be a very gradual thing for all the values to be filled up if ever. Thanks for the interest guys let me know what you think, Brad - Original Message - From: Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Greetings CcomputerGameCollector wrote: Starting to think nobody got my last email? Either that or this email list is awefully quiet! I think we're still debating what to talk about regarding the website. :-) If you check the archives (details should be at the bottom of this message), there is some discussion already on how we discovered it and what we think of it. Answering these might be a good place to start :-) -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to
Re: [SWCollect] Greetings
Aye, perhaps I have not made it abundently clear, but that's basically what it is. What else could it be really? The going rate is the value pretty much. Fair enough, thanks for explaining this again. Let's hope that the number of people collecting computer games is growing though. That's what we all want, isn't it? Definitely. The hobby is still in its infancy, by the number of active collectors at least. The more people are participating, the more serious this will become. We could get some actual media coverage, take to the expos, etc. The more people who get into collecting classic computer games, the funner, and more valuable everything will become. Only then will long- time collectors benifit from being in on the ground level so to speak. It has one downside though - beginners will find it increasingly difficult to get started, as the initial investment may become a real problem for some. I'm mainly noticing this as an Ultima collector - the way certain titles have increased in value is quite intimidating for the newcomer. It's all done with hopes that the community will grow as a result. Ya know? Truly a noble goal :) /Alexander -Original Message- From: CcomputerGameCollector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Greetings If this were strictly an eBay thing, however, (typical 'going rate' an item fetches on eBay, and perhaps the highest price ever paid) I would accept this feature with alacrity. Aye, perhaps I have not made it abundently clear, but that's basically what it is. What else could it be really? The going rate is the value pretty much. Sure it's worth more to some and less to other, but at most, it would just serve as a rough estimate of current worth of an item. It's all pretty subjective stuff and can only be gauged so accurately. Let's hope that the number of people collecting computer games is growing though. That's what we all want, isn't it? The more people who get into collecting classic computer games, the funner, and more valuable everything will become. Only then will long-time collectors benifit from being in on the ground level so to speak. The main goal of my website is to promote all facets of collecting classic computer games, be it by trading, buying, selling or auctioning, and provide basic information about box types releases. It's all done with hopes that the community will grow as a result. Ya know? Brad - Original Message - From: Alexander Zöller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Greetings Hi, thanks for responding to our concerns one by one :) Price guide: many of us are reluctant to work with fixed prices. It tends to take some of the fun out of collecting if everyone knows what they can expect for an item. Cruel as it may sound, I prefer to deal with the occasional uneducated buyer or seller at times :) If this were strictly an eBay thing, however, (typical 'going rate' an item fetches on eBay, and perhaps the highest price ever paid) I would accept this feature with alacrity. Without doubt eBay has a very strong influence on the market and tends to set the values for high-profile items (examples being the Kilrathi Saga, Roberta Williams Anthology, or talkie versions of LucasArts adventures), some of which have remained stable for months. I for one would welcome a feature that enables me to check what I would have to pay for an item on eBay, or what I could get for it. Not to mention looking up prices simply because I'm curious! I just wouldn't define this as the 'real' value of an item. This is entirely dependent on the subjective judgement of every single collector. It's a bit different with eBay, you may not like the prices, but they exist, and I'd sure like to know about them. Just a suggestion of course, and not even a very good one perhaps, as we would have to update the values in a regular fashion. /Alexander -Original Message- From: CcomputerGameCollector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Greetings Feedback for issues regarding http://computergamecollector.com What I will never be able to agree to, however, are the availability ratings. Most of what has been added so far is very common IMHO, or uncommon at best. It's typically listed as extremely rare though. Wouldn't be sad if that column were removed completely. Agreed. The merit of such a thing is certainly debatable. If no one wants this sort of information, I'll gladly remove this column from the DB. It would also be nice, for someone like me (and I'm guessing like most of us on the list), to upload a comma delimited file (in the format specified by the site) that can automatically convert your collection...or at least give you a huge
Re: [SWCollect] [Fwd: ComputerGameCollector.Com]
Been tinkering with the features, added a few games, sent some nifty suggestions to the webmaster. It all looks very nice and promising, I especially like that I can properly mobygrade my items :) What I will never be able to agree to, however, are the availability ratings. Most of what has been added so far is very common IMHO, or uncommon at best. It's typically listed as extremely rare though. Wouldn't be sad if that column were removed completely. /Alexander -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] [Fwd: ComputerGameCollector.Com] Yes, I definitely think he's serious. Looks like it's off to a good start -- he adopted the MobyScale so I guess it can't be all bad... Original Message Subject: ComputerGameCollector.Com Date: 24 Sep 2002 02:41:10 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Trixter, Thanks for making an account at ComputerGameCollector.com Well after some tweaking, computergamecollector.com is ready to go. I will continue to better the website with my own ideas as well as suggestions made by members. I'm never too proud to take advice, ideas and improvements. If you made an account, but did not start to catalog your collection; please do so now! There were a couple of bugs, created by other bug fixes, that prevented users from adding collection games for a few days. That's all fixed now! If you have games that are not listed in the Master List on the website, simply make a list of them and post them in the Game addtion requests forum; or if you would like the ability to add games to the Master List yourself, let me know. I am looking for some responsible people with a solid knowledge of classic computer gaming and attention to detail as far as different box releases go. Anyone selected will receive a free premiere membership. I am offering advertising, as well as Premiere Memberships. For more information on what a Premiere Membership how to get one now: http://www.computergamecollector.com/games/news/index.php?view=merchant! For more information on advertising on the website: http://www.computergamecollector.com/games/news/index.php?view=advertising The prices are really low, a premiere membership is as low as 5¢ a day, while a whole year of banner advertising is under $50, which is dirt cheap! Of course, if you do not want a membership, the site is still fully functional. Although a membership can enhance the experience, by no means does the absense of one cripple the website. You can still post your collection, specify wether you are willing to trade or sell certain games, update whenever you want, search other people's collections and more. Log in now and help the classic computer game collecting community grow! To log in now: http://www.computergamecollector.com/games/index.php?ckUN=TrixterckPW=sorry , not that dumb :) Thanks alot, Brad ComputerGameCollector.com -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] The Motherlode
Good Lord... this is by far the biggest lot of vintage software I've seen to date. Oh god.. how about we all go together and buy it? :) We'd need some fifty people to split the cost of it, can't imagine any of us would be able to put down more than five grand. Call it a hunch, but this won't attract any bids ;) /Alexander -Original Message- From: Stefan Lindblom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] The Motherlode Oh god.. how about we all go together and buy it? :) - Original Message - From: Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:47 PM Subject: [SWCollect] The Motherlode Good god! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1379598219 Any thoughts? -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Massive Ultima collection
I know how a Yahoo! auction page is structured, and where to look for the price. Not that I could read Japanese or anything, mind you ;) He's asking ¥1,300,000, that's about $10,700. *cough* Come to think of it, this may not be as outrageous as I initially thought, but still... how many collectors are there with the right budget for this kind of purchase? /Alexander -Original Message- From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Massive Ultima collection Um...how can you tell how much he wants It is an impressive collection though. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Our Mission
That image was first saved to disk, then uploaded again using iPix. The MobyGames server will only return the alternate this-pic-was-lifted image when you are embedding the original picture link. (e.g. http://uw3.de/test.htm) /Alexander -Original Message- From: MASTER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Pedro Quaresma Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Our Mission What exactly was supposed to happen Jim? ;) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1370668207 -- Pedro R. Quaresma Salvador Caetano IMVT Div. Sistemas de Informação / Systems and Information Division. [EMAIL PROTECTED] // +351 22 7867000 (ext. 3492) It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/C: Ref: cc: Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] Our Mission Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01-08-2002 20:32 Solicita-se resposta a swcollect Marco Thorek wrote: To prevent future incidents like this I now stamped most of my images with my URL and because of the growing number of people remote linking my images I started to block hits on them via .htaccess, when the referring URL does not come from my domain. We do this too, albeit a bit more cleverly. Try to embed a MobyGames.com cover image in your HTML and you'll see what picture you *really* get ;-) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious PC games project? Drop by http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.demodvd.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ ToyotaShopping - A sua Loja Toyota Online http://www.toyota.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Guy Has Stuff
If you have some Tolkien games, Simone is the right guy to trade with: http://gametz.com/?S=4020752user=sauron5tab=AllAtOnce Unfortunately, he declined my (serious) offer for his shrinked Silver Seed and rather attempted selling it on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1329560499 /Alexander -Original Message- From: C.E. Forman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 12:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] Guy Has Stuff Hope you guys don't mind a bit of a commercial... [EMAIL PROTECTED] This guy has a list of stuff he's looking to move... some adventure, some not... some recent, some old. A number of European packages, including an Ultima VII Silver Seed. If interested, give him a mail and ask for the list. I've dealt with him before and his prices are reasonable. He is in Italy, though, so this'll definitely be better for European buyers. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] eBay: abusive bid retractions
Can't confirm this, but I didn't check every auction he's been bidding on. I get the impression he bids on multiple copies of a particular title, then decides which one he actually wants, and retracts his other bids. So maybe he's a just an uneducated 'fellow collector'. I agree that eBay should remind him of their bid retraction policies :) I recently won an auction, and when I checked the bid history, the former high bidder had retracted their bid seven seconds (!) before the auction ended. Apparently he just tried to inflate the price a little, then was shocked that he had outbid me, and took the coward's way out. Sheeesh. /Alexander -Original Message- From: C.E. Forman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] eBay: abusive bid retractions Actually it looks like he's won quite a few, some of them with late-game bid retractions and subsequent rebids (to ensure he gets them for a low price). This is called bid shielding and is so completely against eBay policy. They'll boot people for this if they get enough complaints (how 'bout it, everyone? B-) -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
[SWCollect] eBay: abusive bid retractions
http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedbackuserid=coloraramis This guy bids on all sorts of Ultimas, then retracts his bids (bidding mistake) once he finds something else he's interested in. Does anybody know how eBay will react to this? I always thought they would crack down on this kind of behavior. /Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] That Apple/Origin thing
Caverns of Callisto was Origin's second game, it was released right after Ultima III in 1983. Available for the Atari 8bit and Apple II; apparently had a _very_ limited production run. No known package variations, came in the same 'glossy' box as U3. Joe Garrity has one (http://209.220.232.124/origin/callisto.html). This is by far the rarest Origin title, a lot of collectors (me included) are looking for a copy. The fact that it's an arcade title from a (back then) unknown company arguably led to the destruction of many copies - people simply threw them away when the game was getting old. /Alexander -Original Message- From: Dan Chisarick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 6:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] That Apple/Origin thing My thanks to everyone for giving me background info in the past for hunting things down (I finally got my Ultima Trilogy for the Apple, and it did have a shiny box). Now (unless C.E. has another re-release I don't know about) I'm trying for Caverns of Callisto. Any comments on rarity, packaging variants, that sort of thing? Does anyone actually have one? The only reference I ever saw to this was an ad by Origin that had Ultima III and Caverns of Callisto on the same page. I believe they were both 1983 releases, and probably near if not the first titles Origin had published (unsure). -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Another Clueless Seller
But then the lucky winner really welcomes this kind of pricing ;-P Also got Adventures in Math for $7.50 Canadian from the same seller. /Alexander -Original Message- From: C.E. Forman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 2:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] Another Clueless Seller Sometimes BuyItNow pisses me off... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1311432099 -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
[SWCollect] M.U.L.E. = Akalabeth?
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1308551109 ;-) /Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Ultimas (was: Infocom games' boxes)
Hi there, it's me, the mysterious stranger that corrected Pedro on some details of his scary $$$ tales about Akalabeth. I'm from Germany, male, 21 years old, and I'm a real newbie as far as games collecting is concerned. I subscribed to SWCollect a while ago, but kept quiet so far as I didn't want to bother you with my questions. I feel that I'm simply lacking the experience to participate yet. Therefore, I shall continue to remain rather silent; just lurking around is very entertaining already =) I'm concentrating on titles by Origin Systems, and I'm very serious about it (learning Japanese right now for the sole purpose of increasing chances to acquire titles released in Japan). Outside this newly discovered hobby, I'm part of a fan project dedicated to bringing you a sequel to the classic LucasArts graphic adventure, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis. For various reasons, the site has not been updated in a while. If that doesn't frighten you away, you can check it out at http://206.96.221.58/. Thanks, /Alexander -Original Message- From: Pedro Quaresma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 July 2001 15:44 In a message dated 07/25/2001 6:47:04 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (And with such fantastic market value? $1+ for an Akalabeth, $1250 for a CPC advertisement, $1000 for an Akalabeth CPC floppy only...) Where are you getting these prices from, did someone actually pay these amounts? The CPC ad you are thinking of was actually cover art from Akalabeth (saw that), Yes, Alexander Zöller corrected me on that an Ak disk went for $600 (saw that) Precisely. but $1+ for Ak??!!! Ask Jason Cobb. I really shouldn't be talking about other people's deals here (I'm sorry Jason), but this one was too fantastic not to be told on a collector's mailing list. As I mentioned, it was a handsigned floppy, just like the Twelve, but unnumbered. I might sell my original high school project Ak disk for $1!!! Ask Jason who bought his, maybe the same person will want yours. Just don't tell him who told you this, or he could be (rightfully) angry at me. Tom Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] All your base are belong to us http://www.salvador-caetano.pt http://www.globalshop.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
