Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

> On Mar 20, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Jon Shier via swift-evolution > wrote: > > So when is this transition happening? The sooner the better, as Mail > can’t really handle threads with large messages, like the recent evolution > threads about Foundation

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

Sorry, didn’t see the other threads about this. Sooner is better but I’m glad to know it’s at least planned. Jon > On Mar 20, 2017, at 12:39 PM, Jon Shier wrote: > > So when is this transition happening? The sooner the better, as Mail > can’t really handle threads

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

So when is this transition happening? The sooner the better, as Mail can’t really handle threads with large messages, like the recent evolution threads about Foundation serialization and decoding. It just stops rendering messages. Discourse would help a lot for these sorts of

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

I've been participating on email lists and forums for forty-ish years and this dichotomy has been an ever present cloud hanging over that activity, sometimes, sadly, to the extent that the list-v-forum debate has swamped the desired topic of conversation .. I've seen it reach language-war

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

It misses most of the features for which Discourse emerged in the first place. There are no categories, no tags, the searching tool is quite primitive and the quotation look is actually worse than in an email client. Sorry but for me this is clearly a lesser experience than Discourse. On 18

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

This looks way better then Discourse. +1 from me. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Jan Neumüller -- GPG/PGP-Key: http://www.slayers.de/transfer/Jan_GPG_pub.asc > On 17 Feb 2017, at 21:45, Jose Cheyo Jimenez via swift-users > wrote: > > Hi Ted, > > Today I learned about

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

Hi all, I'm sure there are good reasons for this switch. Personally, I strongly prefer email lists to forums. This move will make it harder for me to participate in future discussions and I will be less inclined to take the effort to sign into a forum do so. Is there a plan to enable an

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 19, 2017, at 13:41, Lane Schwartz via swift-users > wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm sure there are good reasons for this switch. Personally, I strongly > prefer email lists to forums. > > This move will make it harder for me to participate

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

Hi Ted, Today I learned about https://esdiscuss.org/ which is like an archiver viewer for disc...@mozilla.org pipermail mailing list All their code is at https://github.com/esdiscuss This still preserves pipermail as the one source of

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

That’s the other side of the coin, but it does not prevent you from putting anything you’d like to as your profile picture. The point I’m trying to make is that I don’t think anyone wants to moderate such content, but that’s only a personal preference of mine. ;) --  Adrian Zubarev Sent with

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:17 AM, Adrian Zubarev via swift-evolution > wrote: > > Personally I’d prefer (if possible) that we’d remove profile pictures from > the forum and simply have only full names (colored?) + some kind of > annotation (e.g. Core Team, etc.).

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

~Robert Widmann 2017/02/10 3:35、Tino Heth via swift-evolution のメッセージ: > >> Easy explained - The problem rises indeed not from the added features but >> from the fp group that imposes it’s usage in the Standard libraries and “the >> swifty way”. I like many

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

Easy explained - The problem rises indeed not from the added features but from the fp group that imposes it’s usage in the Standard libraries and “the swifty way”. I like many features of Swift (or I wouldn’t be here) but I don’t want to live in Haskel world. And for some reason these guys

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

This is just for explanation. I have given up for the content, the world does move in this direction and I can’t stop it. > On 9 Feb 2017, at 18:29, Cihat Gündüz wrote: > > @Jan: Your arguments are very subjective if not even insulting and derogatory > to many people

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

> Easy explained - The problem rises indeed not from the added features but > from the fp group that imposes it’s usage in the Standard libraries and “the > swifty way”. I like many features of Swift (or I wouldn’t be here) but I > don’t want to live in Haskel world. And for some reason these

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Matthew Johnson wrote: > > >> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:04 PM, Ted Kremenek > > wrote: >> >> >>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Ted Kremenek via swift-users >>>

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Ted Kremenek via swift-users > wrote: > >> I’ve been mostly silent in this conversation largely because I didn’t >> realize it was leading up to a formal decision. I wish it would have >> followed the proposal process so it was clear to

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Matthew Johnson via swift-evolution > wrote: > > >> On Feb 9, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Jens Alfke via swift-users >> > wrote: >> >> >>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:41 AM, Jan Neumüller via

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

The decision to move from the mailing list may have surprised many but the discussion on it has been ongoing very strong. Sorry you feel like you didn't get to voice your opinion which I believe everyone should have the opportunity to. I think many agree that email has it's perks on iPhone and

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

+1 for Discourse Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 9, 2017, at 14:32, Adrian Zubarev via swift-evolution > wrote: > > I’m sorry for you, but I don’t think we’re talking in this thread about being > old and wearing glasses or not. My eyes aren’t the best either, but I’m

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

Lots of emotions here. There is something I would like to point out that I don't feel is clear enough. The goal of this move is to move the community forward. The way it is moving the community forward is by increasing the scope of people able to participate while allowing new capabilities

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 09:30, Matthew Johnson via swift-users > wrote: > > >>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Jens Alfke via swift-users >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:41 AM, Jan Neumüller via swift-users >>>

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

I have a simple question along this line: How does expanding the capabilities of Swift detract or impair its use in a fully OO manner? From what I have seen, if you want to use it in a strictly OO manner, great! If you want to use it in a strictly functional manner, no problem. If you want to

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

> On 09 Feb 2017, at 18:29, Cihat Gündüz via swift-evolution > wrote: > > @Jan: Your arguments are very subjective if not even insulting and derogatory > to many people who invest a lot of time and effort in crafting those things > you despise so openly. Here are

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Jens Alfke via swift-users > wrote: > > >> On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:41 AM, Jan Neumüller via swift-users >> > wrote: >> >> I would prefer http://www.fudforum.org/

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

@Jan: Your arguments are very subjective if not even insulting and derogatory to many people who invest a lot of time and effort in crafting those things you despise so openly. Here are just a few example quotes for you to reflect your language: "I despise fp“, „is so annoying“, "made Swift

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

Well, if the community likes it so much. Have fun with it. I will leave as I have left the Developer Forums at Apple because they became unusable. > On 9 Feb 2017, at 15:17, Adrian Zubarev > wrote: > > The quote below made my day dear Swift friend as I might

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

> On 9 Feb 2017, at 13:50, Adrian Zubarev > wrote: > > That last one is horrible to even look at (that’s my personal point of view). > It’s packed full with unnecessary UI, which reminds me of the time when > html-tables ruled all over the place. Discourse

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

> On 9 Feb 2017, at 14:32, Adrian Zubarev > wrote: > > I’m sorry for you, but I don’t think we’re talking in this thread about being > old and wearing glasses or not. My eyes aren’t the best either, but I’m not > complaining about that or try to make this as

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

My problem with Discourse lies in its terrible ui. It is like most modern social media: totally useless to find stuff and stay organized in it. It reminds my heavy on the terrible ui of Facebook and the redone developer forums at Apple that have gone from fine to utterly useless chaos. Perhaps

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

Is there any reason why there needs to be a separate tool for this? If mailing lists are no go why not just stay on GitHub and use GitHub issues for proposals? Thanks, Martin > On 9 Feb 2017, at 08:51, Jens Alfke via swift-users > wrote: > > >> On Feb 8, 2017, at

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

Happy dance!  I've said before that I think this a good move. Hopefully it encourages more ad-hoc contributions - e.g. Unicode experts who have suggestions for the String model, Perl developers with suggestions for pattern-matching, systems architects with suggestions

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

The quote below made my day dear Swift friend as I might remind you that if modern is associated with hate in your mind, then the modern programming language called Swift would probably be a bad choice. I might remind everyone that Discourse is open sourced and therefore tweaks are possible.

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

I’m sorry for you, but I don’t think we’re talking in this thread about being old and wearing glasses or not. My eyes aren’t the best either, but I’m not complaining about that or try to make this as an argument against minimalistic designs. (Coloring is a different story of its own.) How’s

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

That last one is horrible to even look at (that’s my personal point of view). It’s packed full with unnecessary UI, which reminds me of the time when html-tables ruled all over the place. Discourse has a nice minimalistic look and I’m sure people that will setup the forum will tweak it to make

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

> On Feb 8, 2017, at 4:48 PM, Jan Neumüller via swift-users > wrote: > > May I ask why with so many great open source forums that junk Discourse got > chosen? I'm very perplexed by this decision... I’ve looked at a lot of forum software, and most of the open-source

Re: [swift-evolution] [swift-users] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

Hi Jan, There was a lot of discussion — albeit not on swift-users — and Discourse was the one put forward that those that were pro-forum were most advocating. I actually didn't hear alternative forum software get strongly advocated. Specific things about Discourse (which may be offered by