Re: t-and-f: IAAF threat to expel US federation

2001-03-11 Thread R.T.
Let's take it the other direction (for a "suppose")... Say the USATF doesn't wait for the bullet to be fired, but summarily WITHDRAWS from the IAAF. Not without preparation of course... before making such an announcement they would approach a few other key track powers of "like mind", and

Re: t-and-f: `Real' cheats prosper claims drugs chief

2001-03-09 Thread R.T.
It's been said on this list before, but bears repeating- other than Baumann and maybe Mitchell, everybody hit with charges the last few years says it's because of unlisted ingredients in supplements they were taking. Ditto for Hunter- he blames it on iron supplements. Why do they take

Re: t-and-f: Drugs? Boring for list

2001-03-09 Thread R.T.
On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:19:20 EST, you wrote: I suspect there is a need for a track and field list where track and cross country meets are important as opposed to all these threads about drugs, etc. Also, this list needs more people who write because they have something to say and far fewer

Re: t-and-f: `Real' cheats prosper claims drugs chief

2001-03-08 Thread R.T.
If any of you doubt my statements, read the comments of the IAAF concerning their drug policy, anything, regardless of how it got there, the athlete is responsible for. In the real world, that would never fly. Not even at malmo's job. Actually, if you get stopped for driving with a burned

Re: t-and-f: German suspensions

2001-02-26 Thread R.T.
Here's my GUESS as to what's going on- nothing more than a guess, and others are welcome to throw crap at it For years the German federation and it's powerful administrators, including the people connected with the drug-testing lab at Cologne (Kln), have taken the lead in firing salvos at

Re: t-and-f: SRO

2001-02-24 Thread R.T.
For a fun sport like baseball the concept is laughable. ...yeh, but... you somehow fanagle expensive box seats in row 3, right behind home plate... It's a pitcher-duel game. ball from pitcher-to-catcher. strike. throw it back to pitcher. ball from pitcher-to-catcher. strike. throw it back to

Re: t-and-f: can you justify metric measure?

2001-02-22 Thread R.T.
Let's say the results from a GP I meet like Zurich or Pre (it doesn't make a whole lot of difference) roll in to an American newspaper's sports desk via wire service or any other reasonable source, and there aren't any obvious world records jumping off the page, here's my take on what happens:

Re: t-and-f: Short/Long course cross country

2001-02-17 Thread R.T.
Except that the world of specialization has grown in the last couple of decades. At the top level (not at collegiate where you do whatever your coach tells you, for team points), if all they have is a 12K race, everybody from Steeple specialists and shorter (middle distance) simply won't run.

Re: t-and-f: X-C Start Lists?

2001-02-16 Thread R.T.
Don't have the start list at hand- what about Meb and Abdi ? RT On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:33:11 -0500, you wrote: Anywhere to find entry lists for Vancouver, WA? Just read in McPaper, I mean USA Today that Regina Jacobs is running the 4k. That makes that race interesting. The men's 12k will

Re: t-and-f: women's 4 x 200 meters relay record

2001-02-15 Thread R.T.
Hey sports fans, this thread brings up a question- Are the women's world records held by East Germans the only ones not also recognized as national records (because East Germany doesn't exist as a federation any more), or... at the time of the German reunification, did the West German and East

Re: t-and-f: Khannouchi Out Of London??

2001-02-14 Thread R.T.
Wait a minute, if my recollection is correct, at the declaration deadline for last year's London race, KK's advisor's were telling him that the chances of getting his citizenship before the Trials deadline were slim. So it boiled down to: 1. Skip London on the 5% chance that the citizenship came

t-and-f: Will this race be valid for record ratification?

2001-02-12 Thread R.T.
I saw Bert Rosenthal's AP writeup (significant portion attached) and was confused on the extreme setup for Marla Runyon's national indoor 5K record attempt this coming weekend- they DON'T WANT ANYBODY EXCEPT RUNYON TO FINISH THE RACE!!! To actually state this in advance seems to be an obvious

Re: t-and-f: Athens Changes Track, Field Schedule; NBC Pleased

2001-02-02 Thread R.T.
On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:41:16 -0500, you wrote: Message text written by "Sahu Habibi" "This time (1900 GMT) is prime time for Greece, it's also prime time in Europe and lunchbreak in the United States," the ATHOC source said. Well, in parts of the United States this is true, but in the Eastern

Re: t-and-f: RE: WR-setting non-participants

2001-01-30 Thread R.T.
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:15:05 +0100, you wrote: Vladimir Yashchenko URS, WR in high jump 1977 (233) and 1978 (234). Regards H Pettersson I don't recall seeing anybody mention this name so far (WR-setters never competing in OG), so here goes: Renaldo Nehemiah. Also, I'm not sure, but maybe

Re: t-and-f: Why heats?

2001-01-30 Thread R.T.
Merriam Webster online dictionary: 3 : a single continuous effort: as a : a single round of a contest (as a race) having two or more rounds for each contestant b : one of several preliminary contests held to eliminate less competent contenders this might be revealing, from infoplease: heat,

Re: t-and-f: suddenly it's a track meet

2001-01-29 Thread R.T.
I thought he won the NCAA indoors at 64 or 65 feet, but I could be wrong... I've talked to him numerous times since he left UCLA (he often comes to meets at Westwood in the spring) and asked him about out-of-football-season shotputting, but he says there's a clause in his Ravens contract that

Re: t-and-f: how far we've come

2001-01-29 Thread R.T.
On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:33:20 EST, you wrote: ...in my paper this morning,... gh Speaking of 'this morning's paper', the L.A. Times says that the Feb 12th new indoor meet at L.A.'s Staples Center is in trouble with only 2,000 tickets sold. The promoters say they didn't really expect many sales

Re: Fw: t-and-f: Devil Take the Hindmost

2001-01-28 Thread R.T.
I've seen it several times. Full red satin costume including hood with horns, a cape, long forked tail, etc, and a fake goatee. And of course carrying a long plastic pitchfork. They usually recruited a local college middle distance runner to play "the devil", and after several laps of the race

Re: t-and-f: 4x100 Relay Dream Teams

2001-01-19 Thread R.T.
Native European Team: Leadoff: Armin Hary (Germany) 2nd Leg: your pick of recent Greeks 3rd Leg: Pietro Mennea (don't bother painting lane lines) Anchor: Valeriy Borzov (S.U./Ukraine) Alternates: Roger Bambuck and Eddy Ottoz, although I'm not sure whether Bambuck is a native European. By the

Re: t-and-f: Logical ?

2001-01-13 Thread R.T.
Has any American high schooler ever broken 50sec for the international 400mIH ? RT

t-and-f: Olympic Triple-Jumper Dies at 73

2001-01-12 Thread R.T.
SAO PAULO, Brazil (AP) -- Adhemar Ferreira da Silva, who held the world record for the triple-jump and became Brazil's most successful Olympian, died Friday. Doctors said the 73-year-old da Silva had a heart attack. Da Silva broke seven world records, many of them his own. He was the only

Re: t-and-f: Davis Medical Update - 2001

2001-01-11 Thread R.T.
On page two of this morning's L.A. Times sports section, Scott was mentioned by name, but it was alleged that he was gonna have a lot of trouble as the announcer of the upcoming L.A. Invitational Indoor meet, due to the alphabetic Gordian knot names of some of the entrants, a few of which were

Re: t-and-f: LA Times' take on Glickman

2001-01-06 Thread R.T.
The puzzle with that allegation, Olympic historian John Lucas said Thursday, is this: "What profit would it have been for Dean Cromwell or the [American] Olympic Committee or Avery Brundage to replace two Jews with two blacks?" Lucas, a Penn State professor, said, "I have no answer." A few

Re: t-and-f: Cal's Edwards Stadium wins award

2001-01-03 Thread R.T.
The University of California's Edwards Stadium / Goldman Field was announced the Outstanding Facility Design and Construction award by the U.S. Tennis Court and Track Field Construction Association for 1999-2000. ... Unfortunately, Edwards Stadium will not host the California State High School

(fwd) t-and-f: Launch of Athletics Weekly's website

2000-12-21 Thread R.T.
Somebody asked for the website this morning; here it is: On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:19:59 +0100, "Matthew H Fraser Moat" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to let you know that Athletics Weekly have recently launched their website. Early days of course, but please try www.athleticsweekly.com.

Re: t-and-f: Speaking of Sprints

2000-12-07 Thread R.T.
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:06:27 -0800, you wrote: Kukimba wrote: Conway. Darrell. what's wrong with you two? No name calling? No references to drugs? No allegations? No accusations? No snide remarks? Have you forgotten where you are?? Thanksand have a

Re: t-and-f: LA Bids for 2012 Olympics

2000-12-06 Thread R.T.
Los Angeles has made a bid to host the summer Olympic Games in 2012. A private bid consortium said it would need to build only one new permanent facility to host the event for what would be the third time. Eamonn Condon WWW.RunnersGoal.com That one brand new facility would be for gun-shooting.

Re: t-and-f: 2001 World's [sic]

2000-11-30 Thread R.T.
That's actually "good" news. Big daddy NBC won't be there to bully the IOC into excessive demands to block anything and everything. IAAF is open to negotiate an internet rights arrangement if they want to, without violating an outrageous prior arrangement with a single broadcaster. RT On Thu,

Re: t-and-f: Electronic shoes . . .

2000-11-29 Thread R.T.
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:11:37 EST, you wrote: Wow! This is going to make staging major meets a lot easier. No need to lay out and staff a complicated route outside the stadium. And it won't take long to decide, either. They can start at the 100m starting line, and 90% of the field will be DQed

Re: Subject: Re: t-and-f: Footlocker Regionals QUESTIO

2000-11-28 Thread R.T.
On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:44:51 -0600, you wrote: Mike, In regards to your statements about the Footlocker versus Junior Olympics: My question is why bother having a JO cross country program when you have this program which is so much more successful? And appropriate. My son (age 14) competed in

Re: t-and-f: Genes give black runners edge: findings

2000-11-28 Thread R.T.
On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:08:24 -, you wrote: So what they're saying is, of course, that to be a great runner you have to be black. True! Except don't let Sonia O'Sullivan, Paula Radcliffe, Gabby Szabo, Svetlana Masterkova... ...know. Actually, it tells me that if a Kalenjin (a tiny

t-and-f: Crime Watch update

2000-11-12 Thread R.T.
The person making the murder allegations against former world class 800m runner David Mack held a press conference to tearfully admit that she fabricated the story as revenge against her former boyfriend, Mack's former "patrol partner" on the Los Angeles Police Department. Mack remains in prison,

Re: t-and-f: Rumor (or is it humor?) has it...

2000-11-10 Thread R.T.
On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:24:11 -0800, you wrote: Perhaps all athletes that just miss out on world record attempts should ask for a remeasurement of the course/track/distance as well .. :o) .. Maybe Mo was faster than 9.87 in Sydney .. I mean Gore found over 1,400 votes .. Unless we adjusted for

Re: t-and-f: $$$$$ not the root of all evil.

2000-11-06 Thread R.T.
The presence of money, by itself, is not the problem. But the hugely inequitable distribution of money might be. There is just too much of a disparity between what is distributed to a semi-finalist versus what is distributed to a finalist, and even a worse disparity between what 1st place gets

Re: t-and-f: Masters records for 200, 400, 800, mile

2000-11-02 Thread R.T.
Watching three of his 800 races this summer, he went out quite fast- 51ish, and the last 150 meters when he realized he was 'out of it', he just jogged the final straightaway. He was trying to be competitive with a 1:45. Jogging the final straightaway, he finished around 1:51. That tells me that

Re: t-and-f: Not EVERYONE is doping

2000-11-02 Thread R.T.
On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:25:20 -0600, you wrote: When linear extrapolation is extended over large ranges the choice of dependent variable becomes important. In the case of running records, plotting race time vs calendar time eventually produces meaningless results as witness below. It is

Re: t-and-f: Masters records for 200, 400, 800, mile

2000-11-01 Thread R.T.
Anyway, these are the records for men 40 and over: 200m 21.86 Bill Collins 400m 47.87 Manuel Ulacio 800m 1:50.69 Colm Rothery 1500m 3:44.89 Luiz Jose Gonsalves Mile 4:02.53 David Moorcroft 3:58.15 (indoors) Eamonn Coghlan My take on the likelihood of Johnny Gray breaking any of these

Re: t-and-f: Not EVERYONE is doping

2000-11-01 Thread R.T.
On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:27:33 -0500 , you wrote: Brian T McEwen says I said: I don't know the Limits of human performance in distance running, but they are NOT at the level where today's runners would lap Viren, Yifter, Rono, Schildhauer and Cova at their very best. Well,

Re: t-and-f: Cottrell Hunter .... retiring?

2000-11-01 Thread R.T.
On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:50:49 EST, you wrote: In a message dated 11/1/00 7:01:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -- Walt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hunter announced his retirement in an interview he did with NBC's Ahmad Rashad in Sydney before the public announcement

Re: t-and-f: U.S. looks to clean up drug issues, by Sheila Hudson

2000-10-31 Thread R.T.
Maybe my memory is faulty, but I seem to recall USATF announcing something on this just a couple of weeks ago- something to the effect that the penalty for ephedrine is less than most other doping drugs, so Heard was given a one-meet suspension (applied retroactively to the meet where he was

Re: t-and-f: M.I.A. ?

2000-10-24 Thread R.T.
On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:36:39 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: --- "Michael J. Roth" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone might want to start a missing persons report on the illustrious E. Garry Hill of TFN fame. We have not been graced by his presence much, if at all, since Sydney. 2. He was attacked

t-and-f: Santiago results

2000-10-22 Thread R.T.
Open letter to all athletics federations outside the United States: Yes, the performance by the so-called "team" allegedly representing the U.S. Juniors at Santiago is indeed indicative of the level of performance to be expected by the "senior" team at Edmonton next year. You may prepare your

Re: t-and-f: John Cosgrove's ideas for USATF

2000-10-18 Thread R.T.
I read through this 379-line e-mail, and have yet to figure out what exactly the writers are asking USATF to do. Maybe I overlooked it. Start channelling all USATF development money through clubs which meet the definitions outlined? (which would force all elite athletes to become members of

Re: t-and-f: What's the deal?!

2000-10-16 Thread R.T.
So does anybody who ran this past weekend anywhere in a collegiate meet at any of the tens of dozens of colleges across the entire continent of North America have a rat's patutty of a chance to finish in the top 50 at the World Cross Champs in March? If not, then I'd rather talk about what the

Re: t-and-f: Suzy Hamilton Interview = High Anxiety

2000-10-13 Thread R.T.
On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:47:54 GMT, you wrote: Willy writes: No one could have stated this point any better. That bronze sure would have looked nice on the neck of Suzy, the same way those bronzes looked good on the 4x100m. Falling deprived the world, not to mention Suzy herself. Well, I

Re: t-and-f: devers

2000-10-07 Thread R.T.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 23:31:55 -0600, Glenn Smith wrote: Did you see Devers even wince? It looked to me as if she just calmly walked off the track. It didn't even look as if it bothered her to not be able to race. In her CBC interview she just said 'It just didn't happen for me today' didn't even

t-and-f: Re: TF: Qatar Meet

2000-10-06 Thread R.T.
It's as simple as looking at a globe. Australia is at the opposite side of the globe for both Europeans AND Americans. A heck of a long way. How's the best way to get home? For Europeans, Qatar is a convenient refueling and stretch-the-legs stop. For Americans, Hawaii is a convenient refueling

Re: t-and-f: devers

2000-10-06 Thread R.T.
Obviously, Devers didn't go to the Olympics with the intention of tanking it! She may indeed have regretted getting injured prior to the Olympics and may indeed be wondering if she wouldn't have been better off resting up a lot more before the Olympics. That is possible. But all this

t-and-f: Question of the Day

2000-10-05 Thread R.T.
"suppose" question of the day: True or not true, and why? "Letting your son or daughter train in an athletic program under a coach who has admitted participating in a systematic, planned, program of doping of his athletes in the past, is like taking your pre-schooler to a day care program run

Re: t-and-f: Pseudo-Scientific Facts for Suzy

2000-10-05 Thread R.T.
Let's see, Suzy lost because: 1. Complete depletion of glycogen 2. Dehydration 3. Heart rate soared to unspecified record levels 4. Body temperature soared to 105 or 106 degrees 5. Panic 6. Traumatic shock 7. Vascular collapse 8. Lack of oxygen Looks like the course syllabus for

Re: t-and-f: Let's Kill All The Lawyers

2000-10-04 Thread R.T.
We all know that Shakespeare was a pen name. What was he trying to cover-up! Obviously he was a frustrated javelin thrower, given the name. As for that Montague and Capulet stuff, it was obviously a pseudonym for IOC versus USATF. Et tu, Merode? RT

Re: t-and-f: On the topic of drugs in sport....

2000-10-04 Thread R.T.
In the interests of full and fair disclosure, it should be pointed out that R.T., while being a frequent and sometimes brilliant poster to this List, is also a USA Track and Field Official. As such, one would expect a reflexive lack of support from him for a Canadian espousing the heretical

Re: t-and-f: Sydney notes...

2000-10-03 Thread R.T.
Related question, prior to this year has there ever been an athlete, male or female, who medaled in an Olympics or World Championships in both the Long Jump and either the open 400 or 4x400? That has to be one of the widest 'dissimilarity' of top-level performance in events ever seen, perhaps

Re: t-and-f: USTF facing ban over drug testing

2000-10-02 Thread R.T.
Great summary. I hope that the IAAF keeps the pressure on. Even the White House has asked that names be given to the IAAF. Then send the names under seal to the White House, and let McCaffrey and Clinton do with them as they wish. Watch how quickly they back off and start stammering and

Re: t-and-f: USTF facing ban over drug testing

2000-10-01 Thread R.T.
On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:46:07 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 9/30/00 9:59:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: drugs-positives still unresolved. Craig Masback, their chief executive, has declared none of the 10 are competing in Sydney, What does this have to do with

Re: t-and-f: pacemakers

2000-10-01 Thread R.T.
The answer is to ban rabbits (pacemakers) who may also engage in boxing, elbowing, blocking, and pre-strategized surges to benefit their countrymen... and replace them with... the old light system used on the mid-70's pro track circuit. Set the lights to the exact world record pace- no surges

Re: t-and-f: WARNING- MARATHON RESULTS DISCUSSED

2000-10-01 Thread R.T.
The story in the Bee, from Amy Shipley of the Washington Post, headlined: "Jones runs exceptional relay leg in women's 4 X 400" Later, she wrote: "...a mind-blowing relay leg by Jones..." 49.6 is not exactly "mind-blowing." After all, FloJo ran about 48.1 in Seoul. Does anybody know what kind of

Re: t-and-f: Sydney notes...

2000-10-01 Thread R.T.
1- Marion should've gotten five. Marion displays just a bit of immaturity when dealing with questions about the LJ. I don't think it would be disloyal to get some extra help from people who have tremendous resumes', such as a Carl Lewis or a JJK...or Bob Kersee and Tom Tellez. She also

t-and-f: U.S. men's 4x100 antics

2000-10-01 Thread R.T.
In spite of the big deal that NBC made of it, the behaviour by the Americans was small potatoes. What they did would be a perfectly acceptable mode of exhuberation and celebration in almost any U.S. urban setting. Hey guys, the trouble is you're not IN a U.S. urban setting. Inexperienced

Re: t-and-f: (no subject)

2000-10-01 Thread R.T.
My husband and I have been to every summer Olympics since 1976 and every outdoor world championships. However, we decided not to go to Sydney. So we asked all of our friends not to tell us any results, listened only to a classical music radio station, watched only tv we knew would not have

t-and-f: (fwd) Track Listserve Admin - Help Needed!!

2000-10-01 Thread R.T.
-forwarding on behalf of Michael Roth-- Would the List Administrator please contact me, as I have been unable to post here in a few days. Thank you, MJR [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: U.S. men's 4x100 antics, Class Clowns, etc.

2000-10-01 Thread R.T.
The two track field events of '72 are interesting- Vince Matthews twirls the gold medal around his finger on the victory stand and is immediately banished by his Federation. Wasn't even given a chance to apologize. Dave Wottle absent-mindedly forgets to doff his hat (but puts his hand over

(fwd) Re: t-and-f: Where was Herb

2000-10-01 Thread R.T.
DeCastella in the marathon would have been a good 'where are they now' too. Although here on the west coast, the marathon 'just started', so I may see DeCastella yet! (yeh, sure...) RT On Sun, 01 Oct 2000 19:14:24 -0700, R.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 21:49:34 EDT, you

Re: t-and-f: USATF, doping, and the US legal system.

2000-10-01 Thread R.T.
The fact is, with few exceptions, our legal system is built around the concept of openness of the adjudication process -- there is no "right to secret back-room tribunals". If you are an airline pilot, a train engineer, a bus driver or, yes, even just an ordinary private citizen, have an

Re: t-and-f: Drug test failure . . .

2000-09-29 Thread R.T.
According to a breaking BBC story, an "un-named female athlete fails out-of-competition drugs test at Olympics - news coming soon" . . . Is "out-of-competition at the Olympics" an oxymoron? Was she watching up in the stands and got yanked out her seat to go give a sample? RT

Re: t-and-f: Capel and Nool

2000-09-29 Thread R.T.
Having said that, I must add this: the first two throws--which we did not see on NBC--were victims of what I---and some other officials--considred to be a very stupid situationb, i.e., calling a foul when the throw hits the cage. The proper call in the discus should be "no throw" since

Re: t-and-f: Capel - Greece is East Germany of today?

2000-09-29 Thread R.T.
As Charlie Francis, Ben Johnson's coach, said about the Seoul 100M Final. "I don't call it cheating when everyone is competing on a level playing field. I only call it cheating when one person is doing something that no-one else is doing." That's why Francis is no longer in the business.

Re: t-and-f: Masback calls out the Black Helicopters

2000-09-29 Thread R.T.
Craig said something in his WAVA statement about being caught between conflicting direction and priorities between the IAAF and USOC. Anybody care to amplify? Who is trying to undermine who? RT

Re: t-and-f: USA Men's 4x400 Final Line-up

2000-09-29 Thread R.T.
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:01:29 -0400, you wrote: It will be Calvin Harrison to Antonio Pettigrew to Alvin Harrison to MJ. The TV commentator here said that "they will have to drop the baton on every exchange to be beaten." Of course, baton was pronounced "BAT-uhn". As in Baton Rouge... RT

Re: t-and-f: Masback calls out the Black Helicopters

2000-09-29 Thread R.T.
This is a difference between criminal and civil issues, as well as the fact that the police department is specifically tasked to do policing while it is really a secondary role for USATF. Which might explain why it doesn't get done at all. Hey, you guys have hit on the solution, and didn't

Re: t-and-f: Cassell quote

2000-09-28 Thread R.T.
http://www.thestar.com/editorial/updates/olympics/misc/2927SPT04b_SP-RANDY.html this article includes this paragraph: -- American sprinter Dennis Mitchell was suspended for an illegal level of testosterone, but let off by U.S. Track and

Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

2000-09-28 Thread R.T.
On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:40:09 GMT, you wrote: I wonder what Mr. Entine has to say about this? Open mouth, insert foot Entine. Maybe, just maybe, genetics isn't as important as some people think. Then again maybe Kenteris's great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was from East

Re: t-and-f: U.S. offers to hand over drug testing to world agency

2000-09-28 Thread R.T.
In a separate letter to Pound, Masback said he was unable to find a way to run a drug control program subject to the competing jurisdictions of the IAAF and the U.S. Olympic Committee. He also cited "shortcomings" of certain IOC-accredited testing labs and the challenge of working within the

Re: t-and-f: 5 positive names from 1988

2000-09-27 Thread R.T.
does the appeal process work anyway? I'm just curious. D "R.T." wrote: US court restrictions? This is new to me. What would they be? Release a name unnecessarily (before the appeals process is complete), and you get hauled into court to answer to defamation charges. T

Re: t-and-f: White House urges 'name US drug athletes'

2000-09-27 Thread R.T.
Then...are you saying that 'to be completely fair, that NO athlete's name gets released until the process is complete? Or do we just treat the Americians differently their cheats get to compete and eveyone else get taken off the infield during warm-up ? For anybody who has a case 'in

t-and-f: end-of-career

2000-09-27 Thread R.T.
scroll down it's sad to see so many top athletes athletes in a single day end their career 'not' on top- Devers, Bubka, Morceli, and so on. Isn't there a '96 version of Carl Lewis somewhere in these Games? Maybe Jonathan Edwards and Michael Johnson... RT

t-and-f: okay, you're in charge

2000-09-27 Thread R.T.
Here's your test of the day: You're the head of U.S. Track Field federation. You get a call from Mr. Catlin out at the UCLA testing lab. An American elite athlete has tested positive on an A sample. You call the athlete. You explain the "B" sample process, and the appeal and arbitration

Re: t-and-f: okay, you're in charge

2000-09-27 Thread R.T.
The answers are flowing in. Here's the top ten so far... ...okay, make it a dozen or so... --- This USATF CEO is Drew Carey, right? --- Accept the offer. --- Resign. --- Buy a printing press and start crankin' out the cash.

Re: t-and-f: 5 positive names from 1988

2000-09-26 Thread R.T.
On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:26:41 -0700, you wrote: They are fully aware of U.S. court restrictions, why choose NOW to blast away? Isn't it political grandstanding? RT US court restrictions? This is new to me. What would they be? Release a name unnecessarily (before the appeals process is

Re: t-and-f: JAMES CARTER TAUNTING IN 400H

2000-09-26 Thread R.T.
I agree. There is a difference between fist-pumping, spiking the ball and so on, as an exclamation point on confidence and achievement, as opposed to singling out opponents for ridicule, to belittle their accomplishments. Carter definitely crossed the line. RT On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:01:27

Re: t-and-f: White House urges 'name US drug athletes'

2000-09-26 Thread R.T.
THE White House has intervened in the growing drugs controversy surrounding American athletes, calling on USA Track and Field, the governing body for the sport in America, to come clean about athletes who have tested positive for drugs. Barry McCaffrey, President Clinton's drugs tsar, wrote a

Re: t-and-f: Positives and fines?

2000-09-26 Thread R.T.
On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:41:52 -0700, you wrote: Earlier today, Paul Tucknott, apparently quoting a BBC source. wrote: "The entire Romanian weightlifting team was to be kicked out of the games, but paid a $50,000 fine to allow those who had not tested positive to stay." It's not quite clear, to

Re: t-and-f: CJ Hunter tests positive

2000-09-25 Thread R.T.
On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 03:04:05 EDT, you wrote: I'm still waiting for a USATF press release on Hunter. I would have thought that the folks at USATF would have spoken by now.? To quote Ted Knight in Caddyshack..."Well, we're waiting??" Schiefer The IAAF press release

Re: t-and-f: 5 positive names from 1988

2000-09-25 Thread R.T.
The word that I get is that three of the five who tested positive at the 1988 US Olympic track and field Trials accounted for five of the gold medals at the Seoul Olympics. Tony Craddock Is there a reason why people have to keep going back to 1988 (TWELVE years ago!) to dig up enough dirt for

Re: t-and-f: A little perspective

2000-09-25 Thread R.T.
And she is not the first aborigine woman to become the best in her selected sport. That honor must go to Eva Goolagong (Cawley), the greatv tenbnis star whose name (I realize she is not an Olympian, but she surely is everything else) has, to my knowledge never been mentioned in the NBC

Re: t-and-f: 5 positive names from 1988

2000-09-25 Thread R.T.
What I am wondering is why, if the IOC and IAAF are so determined to keep drug disclosures at a "minimum" during the 15-day run of the games- -such has been suggested as the goal of the IOC many times on this list- ...and this appears to be why the IAAF was determined to not announce anything

Re: t-and-f: Then and now

2000-09-23 Thread R.T.
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:25:50 -0700, you wrote: I would be interested in seeing a comparison of marks of the qualifiers in the US trials with their OLY performances. I wouldn't be a pretty picture in most cases. Agreed ... There definitely seems to be a drop off so far .. Mo, Marion, MJ,

Re: t-and-f: What happened here?

2000-09-22 Thread R.T.
One of the web sites - either Olympics.com or nbcolympics.com, I don't recall which, said that the Jamaican coaches were appealing on Watts behalf because he got tripped up by somebody and went down. Apparently they won the appeal. RT On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:24:18 -0400, you wrote: Heat

Re: t-and-f: Munich decathlon

2000-09-21 Thread R.T.
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:29:40 +0200, you wrote: Well, thanks to Ed Grant, I know what happened. Joachim Kirst of East Germany (European Champion in 1969 and 1971 and at that point of the Decathlon in 2nd position, just behind Avilov) fell and brought Bannister with him. If Bannister was

Re: t-and-f: 5 gold medals

2000-09-21 Thread R.T.
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:19:03 -0500, you wrote: ..pretty soon we'll get down to the 3:16... Guys, you are day dreaming. Current 400m elite ability these days just does not back these predictions. You forget that all except the leadoff leg gets a flying start. I agree with Conway, I would put

Re: t-and-f: the first screw up

2000-09-21 Thread R.T.
An hour and 19 minutes to complete the first round of a what is basically a 10 or 11 second race. Uh-huh. RT I'm still waiting on second flight Jav results on NBCOlympics.com On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:06:36 -, you wrote: netters looks like we have our first Olympic Snafu. Last Heat of the

Re: t-and-f: Nobody running for USATF Masters TF chair

2000-09-20 Thread R.T.
Maybe there are people out there who like near-impossible challenges, but the responsibilities outlined for the U.S. Masters pooh-bah sound like a 98% probability of lose-lose rather than win-win. No wonder everybody is jockeying for position to be 'last' in line. RT

t-and-f: another upset pick

2000-09-20 Thread R.T.
I'm going with event "rookie" Privalova to upset the womens 400H field and take home gold RT

Re: t-and-f: on the home front

2000-09-20 Thread R.T.
Be sure and register that finger splint with the Australian Bureau of Criminal Investigation, lest it be mistaken for a terrorist weapon... ...say, it's not the middle finger is it?never mind We will expect to see you on TV playing the Bobby Kersee role by leaping out of the stands to

Re: t-and-f: little tidbit on Kenyan training

2000-09-20 Thread R.T.
I thought most of the top runners left home to move to Brother O'Connell's boarding school. They probably DO run 20 miles to get to school- 10 miles out and 10 miles back before the first class each day... RT On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:55:56 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: --- Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Need help....

2000-09-19 Thread R.T.
Jeff Bennett finished fourth. Bruce Jenner finished tenth. Don't remember who the other team member was. RT On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 04:49:16 GMT, you wrote: Here's a question I need help answering: Who were the (presumably 3) athletes who competed on the US team in the decathlon in the '72 OG

Re: t-and-f: Arron facing sprint exit

2000-09-19 Thread R.T.
Not to imply that it's actually happening, but how many million $$$ would it be worth to NBC to come down to the final of the women's 4x400, with Marion running the 3rd leg, and have her still be in contention for a 5th gold medal? Enough to try to increase the likelihood of it happening? Anybody

Re: t-and-f: Miller out of 100

2000-09-19 Thread R.T.
On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:54:54 -0700, you wrote: Tony Craddock said: This is great news for NBC. They can now do an "up close and personal" heartbreak story without the distraction of any track and field. We will probably be subjected to the story BEFORE the start of the

Re: t-and-f: Did the 1984 LA Olympics happen?

2000-09-19 Thread R.T.
On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:41:04 -0700, you wrote: Regarding Conway Hill's wondering (below) as to whether the '84 games happened (Valerie Brisco's 200-400 double golds and Carl's 4 golds and Seb's 1500, etc.,) if world public opinion reflects the comments about the 1984 LA games made by the

Re: t-and-f: Canadian broadcast in your area?

2000-09-17 Thread R.T.
The L.A. Times had an almost identical article last weekend (I believe it was Sunday). They interviewed one bar owner somewhere in the L.A. area (seems like out Chico way or in that direction) who had just gone out this summer and got a big dish, just so his patrons could see the CBC Olympics

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