t-and-f: coaching and performance

Steve-- The flaw in Steve's belief coaches are the primary reason why one runner excels over another is possible but certainly conjectural. There are other factors, most prominently genetics, that might reduce the coaching factor to insignificance. Jon Entine Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:22:31

t-and-f: Why Kenyans are lousy at their national sport, soccer...

0 all time 100 meter times are held by athletes of West African ancestry, yet there are no top distance runners of primarily West African ancestry. These are all intriguing questions that deepen our understanding of what we will see unfold in Sydney! Jon Entine (818) 991-9803 :: [fax] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

RE: t-and-f: flo-jo

1982 11.12[8] 22.39[10] 1983 11.06[6] 22.23[5] 1984 10.99[3] 22.04[5] 1985 11.00[6] 22.46[7] 1986 unranked unranked 1987 10.96[6] 21.96[2] 1988 10.49[1] 21.34[1] Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 :: [fax] 991-9804 http://www.jonent

t-and-f: minimum qualifying times?

Does anyone know the minimum qualifying times for the 100 meters and 200 meters? Also, does anyone know where on the Net one could find a list of qualifiers for the Olympics for various track events? -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 :: [fax] 991

t-and-f: Tom Derderian on Taboo's and noses

index.html -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 :: [fax] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

t-and-f: Genes and sports again

n ancestry hold the top 219 and 494 of the top 500 times. -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 :: [fax] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

t-and-f: NATIONAL POST ONLINE | Search Results | Story

This is the article. It's actually another documentary: http://www.nationalpost.com/search/story.html?f=/stories/20001127/384654.html -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 :: [fax] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

t-and-f: German women

in perspective. Jon Entine http://www.jonentine.com Sport as Religion The truth of the unloved and now unmourned German Democratic Republic can be found in the rubble of the rebuilding effort in East Berlin, Jena, and other formerly dingy cities where Paleozoic construction sites swarm

t-and-f: Borzov and misunderstanding population genetics

but as he continues to make broad brush strokes based on bad analysis of track statistics, I start to wonder about expertise in other areas. Using the Entine yardstick, Munich winners like Kip Keino, Lasse Viren, Rod Milburn and Viktor Saneyev were also doo-doo because they don't rate highly o

Re: t-and-f: Borzov and misunderstanding population genetics

ting Mr. Entine just calling you to task and responding to the aura of arrogance that you routinely bring to this list .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

of the largest of the native groups came to be known as the Chemwal, the Kalenjin word meaning raid cattle, or those who steal. It is the forerunner of the Nandi, who have been a distinct tribe for almost three centuries. -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX

t-and-f: Clarifying the post on Boston Marathon

uyu, which includes the Kamba, I believe. Cosmas Ndeti is a Kamba tribesman. Lameck Aguta belongs to the Kisii tribe. The stats I posted on probabilities extend to these tribes as well. -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

leg. -Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jon Entine Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon Here's some background for those trying to unders

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

rs under 2:10, maybe even under 2:08:00. Of course the US's best marathoners are running 10ks right now. Tick, tock, tick, tock Alan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Jon Entine Ru

t-and-f: Sticking to what I know

port from the empirical evidence. Sorry Randall.. On 4/12/01 4:10 PM, "Randall Northam" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/4/01 6:15 PM, Jon Entine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (which they are not very competitive at compared to athletes from West Africa -- they don't ha

t-and-f: Re: t-and-f-digest V1 #3543

is renowned in this area, focus on such a late teenage or early twenties groups. On 4/12/01 7:23 PM, "t-and-f-digest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:19:24 -0700 From: Ed Dana Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: lung capacity Jon Entine wrote: East Africans

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

is renowned in this area, focus on such a late teenage or early twenties groups. On 4/12/01 7:23 PM, "t-and-f-digest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:19:24 -0700 From: Ed Dana Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: lung capacity Jon Entine wrote: East Africans

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

ot; [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 13/4/01 1:17 AM, Jon Entine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BOTH THE Nigerians and Cameroonians won the world cup. As I said - stick to what you know. Both the Nigerians and Cameroons reached the world cup finals, No African country has won it. Eygpt - Ea

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

the book and eat humble pie. That's what discourse is all about, not questioning that WHICH YOU HAVE NOT READ. On 4/13/01 8:48 AM, "Randall Northam" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 13/4/01 3:26 PM, Jon Entine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randall--it is what I know. They won the Olympic

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

the book and eat humble pie. That's what discourse is all about, not questioning that WHICH YOU HAVE NOT READ. On 4/13/01 8:48 AM, "Randall Northam" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 13/4/01 3:26 PM, Jon Entine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randall--it is what I know. They won the Olympic

t-and-f: About the genetics of lung capacity

nd get fat. That is why we have the highest child obesity rate in the worldwe are lazy as a whole. That was not true 50 years ago. Alan -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

t-and-f: Re: t-and-f-digest V1 #3545

they don't realise they have the wrong body shape! Randall Northam -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

t-and-f: Re: London Marathon...Kenyan Marathon Dominance?

. More than 78 percent of recent top marathons are won by hotspot athletes. Yes, that's catching up. Next weekend I'll have a major article coming out on Why an American, Brit or Aussie (Black or White) May Never Win another major marathon It's based on the article below: Cheers, -- Jon Entine

t-and-f: Re: London Marathon...Kenyan Marathon Dominance?

_ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

Re: t-and-f: Re: London Marathon...Kenyan Marathon Dominance?

of the British Isles can do the same. The problem is probably less a genetic issue than an interest as a competitive event issue at least in the US and the Celtic states. Steve S. -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http

t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

. -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

GBTC 32:38 5. Greg Meyer GBTC 32:49 6. Terry Baker Wash. DC 32:58 7. Randy Thomas GBTC 33:03 8. Kyle Heffner Boulder, CO 33:07 9. Benji Durden Georgia 33:09 10. Stan Vernon Oklahoma 33:19 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jon Entine

Re: t-and-f: ...Kenyan Marathon Dominance, etc.

Except he's wrong. On 4/25/01 8:02 AM, Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Entine said: Salazar and Kennedy frankly DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. They are just engaging in a little self-loathing for not being able to keep up with those who, frankly, are built to run as good

t-and-f: Re: t-and-f-digest V1 #3585

are still talking about human beings, homo sapiens, doing all this great running why should I care about the genetics! I have never understood the passion with which you preach this gospel and after the latest round I still don't. Andy F -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills

Re: t-and-f: ...Kenyan Marathon Dominance, etc.

be on top of their world. They're not. On 4/25/01 4:43 PM, Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talking about Bob Kennedy, Jon Entine wrote: Except he's wrong. Kennedy was THERE. His knowledge of Kenyan training is based on his own first-hand experiences. Are you asserting that he is wrong

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

t-and-f: Re: empirical evidence

, would dispute. On 4/29/01 12:59 PM, t-and-f-digest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:18:03 -0700 From: Richard McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Empirical evidence Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:38:37 -0700 From: Jon Entine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f

Re: t-and-f: Re: empirical evidence

a check to the address below. Regards, -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

t-and-f: Flat earth Creationism

Creationist!! Richard McCann -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

ARGH!! Re: t-and-f: Flat earth Creationism

10k time would still put him in the top 10 each year. Alan -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

t-and-f: Population differences in Europe

basketball. Oleg yet another 'flat-earth creationist'? - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Derderian Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 8:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism -- Jon

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

__ -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

else? I believe our best 800m runners are running the 400m right now, but have no desire to run 800s because they would tarnish their appeal. If MJ developed any sort of aerobic base at all he would demolish the AR and give Joe-Kenyan a run for his money. Alan -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey

t-and-f: Soccer??

soccer teams are we talking about? Cameroon and Nigeria had a few good moments, but on the world scale...? Oleg. -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

there was a good chance of a record being set? How much of a draw is it to run in a race in which someone sets a record? Seems to me like the fastest marathons are also the ones with the most amount of runners. Alan -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991

t-and-f: Re: t-and-f-digest V1 #3595

of income. Richard McCann -- -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

Athletes are not pigeons. Kenyans in particular have shown an amazing virtuosity across a range of endurance distances. n 5/3/01 7:47 AM, Bruce Glikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is quite a large gap between the 400 meter profile and the 800 meter profile. Period. -- Jon Entine

t-and-f: Re: t-and-f-digest V1 #3597

On 5/2/01 5:04 PM, t-and-f-digest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:51:51 -0700 From: Richard McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?one last post...well I guess not From: Jon Entine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Follow the money

t-and-f: Individuals vs. groups

On 5/3/01 8:01 AM, t-and-f-digest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:46:58 +0100 From: Randall Northam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Jon Entine Two statements by Jon Entine written in different postings recently That makes 800 meters very much a distance race

t-and-f: Healthy skepticism

.² On 5/3/01 10:34 AM, t-and-f-digest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not disagree with Jon Entine outright on any issue as such. Nor am I ignorant about statistics. I remain open-minded about population genetics and performance. In fact I started out as a believer. But it is relatively simple

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...well I guess not

On 5/3/01 11:58 AM, Richard McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:01 PM 5/2/2001 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:02:17 -0700 From: Jon Entine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try to grasp the difference between INDIVIDUALS and GROUPS. There may be an ideal body type based

t-and-f: Never??

Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:55:56 From: alan tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Jon Entine, can we get over this discussion? Even I am growing tired of this...:) Doesn't matter how many examples we put out it will always be responded to with the individuals VS group thing. It's

t-and-f: Re: New thread regarding the Entine book

stimulates... ... is that the best way to get the dialogue on a 'taboo' topic out in the open? I'm not sure I know the answer. It seems to have succeeded in stimulating a lot of discussion on this list, but how well does that approach work elsewhere? RT -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey

t-and-f: FW: A final reply-but private

I thought the list might like to see some of the silly responses I get off line (thankfully, most responders aren't quite this insecure). Note that the poster offers not one iota of evidence to support his innuendos--not one. Pretty sad. -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA

Re: t-and-f: FW: A final reply-but private

this medium. AND it is wrong. I respectfully request that you apologize to Mr. McCann and the list for this breech of privacy. Ben Hall -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jon Entine Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED

t-and-f: Nature vs. nature

latitudes, a lower level of melanin maximizes the production of vitamin D. Hope this clarifies some of the points of debate and makes it clear that behavior ( and athletic performance) is a bio-social phenomenon. -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX

t-and-f: Tim Noake's speech

This is the link to Tim Noakes' speech before the World Congress on Medicine and Health July/August 2000. I think it will help clarify many of these important issues. http://www.jonentine.com/reviews/world_congress_MM.htm -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991

t-and-f: Bengt Saltin (and others) on muscle fiber type

., Peter Schjerling, and Bengt Saltin. 2000. Muscle, Genes and Athletic Performance. Scientific American 283: 49-55. -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

Re: t-and-f: Bengt Saltin (and others) on muscle fiber type

who have it all: genetics, training, and luck. Don't remember what the point of this post was. I guess I agree with Jon to an extent. Alan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Jon Entine

t-and-f: Re: How much talent/genetics do you need?

-- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

t-and-f: Re: How much talent/genetics do you need?

differences!! Alan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

t-and-f: Young phenom's

the first half? I never heard anything about any of them since. Does anyone know if they all burned out, or whether some competed in college or beyond? -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

t-and-f: New genetics report on ethnic differences

Reuters)... -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

Running Record By Jon Entine When the gun goes off for the men¹s 1500 metre final at Sunday¹s World Championships in Edmonton, it might just as well signal the end of an era. The age of great British middle distance runners is gone forever. Once the world¹s dominant power, with a bloodline of Sebastian

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guessed that because the sprints aren't complying with Entine's bigoted views he'd focus on the 1500. Nothing new, the same tired, old sh!t. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jon Entine Sent

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

they did in the past. If they were running at the level of Cram, Coe, etc., perhaps they would be more competitive. Rich Harrington -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jon Entine Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:46 PM To: Track

t-and-f: Re: TF athletes in winter Olympics?

The following article in The Black World Today (and another in Africana.com) addresses an aspect of TF athletes in the winter Olympics... -- Jon Entine http://www.tbwt.com/views/specialrpt/specialrpt_0249.asp Flowers Is No Fluke: Black Success In Bobsledding Part Of A Growing Winter

Re: t-and-f: Re: TF athletes in winter Olympics?

your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com

t-and-f: Essay by medical geneticist with Academy of Arts and Sciences on'human differences' -- and why different 'races' do better in differentsports

be an inch or more in length. How this is compacted into a microscopic blob some 1/1000 inch long without getting hopelessly tangled is an engineering marvel that is still a puzzle. ...8 more pages... -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http

t-and-f: Re: Dropped Men's Programs-Updated List

625 19,355 649 15,979 1998-9637 20,405 671 18,216 1999-2000 635 20,123 662 17,788 2000-1638 20,271 673 18,339 -- Jon Entine 8650

t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs-Updated List

You can add Georgia Southern University to that list. It dropped men's cross country in 1999 (and never had track on the men's side, I've been told). -- Jon Entine 8650 Pipewell Lane Cincinnati, Ohio 45243 (513) 985-0372 [FAX] 985-0373 http://www.jonentine.com Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:44:53

t-and-f: FW: Title IX: school's dropping men's track...

This was posted on a sports sociology list vis a vis the debate over Title IX and the cutting of men's programs. Comments welcomed... -- Jon Entine -- Forwarded Message From: Welch Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: The Chronicle of Higher Education Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu