Re: [Tagging] Tag for a milk_shake shop?

2019-09-05 Thread Andrew Harvey
I'd tag it as amenity=cafe, even without selling coffee I still think it fits into https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=cafe, just with a cuisine tag to specify milk_shakes are the main cuisine. On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 00:06, ael wrote: > How do I tag a shop that sells milk shakes? > >

Re: [Tagging] Education on topic for music schools

2019-09-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The tag you're looking might be isced:level=0-6 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:isced:level This is already used with amenity=school, which can include anything from Kindergarten (0) to upper secondary (3). So an amenity=music_school which only offers post-secondary education at a

Re: [Tagging] Tag for a milk_shake shop?

2019-09-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Sep 2019, at 16:32, Paul Allen wrote: > > I'd kind of expect a beverages shop to sell drinkable products not for > consumption on > the premises, that’s also what I thought, for the milk shake place I would use amenity, like for ice cream parlors, cafes, bars,

Re: [Tagging] cuisine=milk_shake ? | Re: Tag for a milk_shake shop?

2019-09-05 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 23:41, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: &, to me at least, doesn't make much sense? > > You've gone into a beverage shop, ordered a milk-shake, & they've served > it to you? > > What else were they going to do - take your order & money then say sorry, > no, we're not giving you

Re: [Tagging] Adding leisure=sports_hall to leisure=sports_centre page

2019-09-05 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 23:30, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Wouldn't that description still match the definition that Joseph quoted > above though - "sports_centre: "a distinct facility where sports take place > within an enclosed area" - which then specifically mentions "it can be a >

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Utility markers

2019-09-05 Thread François Lacombe
Hi all The proposal to introduce marker=* key for all kind of utility markers is about to be voted. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Utility_markers_proposal All previous comments have been solved and any new one will be welcome. Currently, more than 6k object are described

Re: [Tagging] cuisine=milk_shake ? | Re: Tag for a milk_shake shop?

2019-09-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 03:43, ael wrote: > On Thu, Sep 05, 2019 at 04:48:42PM +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > > > What you should have is shop=beverages + drink:milk_shake=served. > > I missed that. It's not very intuitive :-) > &, to me at least, doesn't make much sense? You've gone into a beverage

Re: [Tagging] Adding leisure=sports_hall to leisure=sports_centre page

2019-09-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 03:08, Chris Hill wrote: > It's a sports hall I think because it is marked out for various indoor > sports,e.g. badminton, volley ball, > 5-a-side football etc, with curtains or nets to separate courts when > needed. Thanks, Chris, that's what I was remembering from

Re: [Tagging] Education on topic for music schools

2019-09-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 19:09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > Am Do., 5. Sept. 2019 um 09:59 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > >> Pardon me. The question is about music schools and how to tag them - they >> are educational facilities. >> ... >> See >> >>

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=indoor

2019-09-05 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 05.09.19 18:41, Jeremiah Rose wrote: > Here's a proposal for marking indoor routes within a building mapped with > Simple Indoor Tagging. I can see some value in mapping routes through a room which is full of obstacles, but I don't like the idea of using this where a routing graph could be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=indoor

2019-09-05 Thread Simon Poole
Was going to ask the same thing, not that I don't think that both are redundant, but why have two -different- redundant tags? Am 05.09.2019 um 18:46 schrieb Leif Rasmussen: > How is this different from highway=corridor?   > > On Thu, Sep 5, 2019, 12:42 PM Jeremiah Rose >

Re: [Tagging] cuisine=milk_shake ? | Re: Tag for a milk_shake shop?

2019-09-05 Thread ael
On Thu, Sep 05, 2019 at 04:48:42PM +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > On > Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 15:52, ael wrote: > > > Sounds a good idea. I have just switched it to > > shop=beverages and beverage=milk_shake, but adding > > > > beverage=* is logical but not documented. drink=* may be illogical but >

Re: [Tagging] Using destination_sign relations for pedestrian navigation

2019-09-05 Thread yo paseopor
Using established is the best way, but look at this, it could be useful https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extended_traffic_signs_tagging#Destination_signs It covers all kind of traffic signs, also destination traffic signs, so it would be useful for a pedestrian destination

Re: [Tagging] Adding leisure=sports_hall to leisure=sports_centre page

2019-09-05 Thread Chris Hill
The school, in the UK, that I went to over 40 years ago, had a sports hall then and still does today. It's a sports hall I think because it is marked out for various indoor sports,e.g. badminton, volley ball, 5-a-side football etc, with curtains or nets to separate courts when needed. Next

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=indoor

2019-09-05 Thread Leif Rasmussen
How is this different from highway=corridor? On Thu, Sep 5, 2019, 12:42 PM Jeremiah Rose wrote: > Here's a proposal for marking indoor routes within a building mapped with > Simple Indoor Tagging. > > footway=indoor: indoor pedestrian route >

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=indoor

2019-09-05 Thread Jeremiah Rose
Here's a proposal for marking indoor routes within a building mapped with Simple Indoor Tagging. footway=indoor: indoor pedestrian route https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/footway%3Dindoor Jeremiah Rose ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] cuisine=milk_shake ? | Re: Tag for a milk_shake shop?

2019-09-05 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 15:52, ael wrote: > Sounds a good idea. I have just switched it to > shop=beverages and beverage=milk_shake, but adding > beverage=* is logical but not documented. drink=* may be illogical but it's not only documented, that's what the shop=beverages says you should use

Re: [Tagging] Adding leisure=sports_hall to leisure=sports_centre page

2019-09-05 Thread Philip Barnes
In terms of schools, we call them gyms in the UK too. Certainly not sports halls. Phil (trigpoint) On Thursday, 5 September 2019, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > What is a sports hall? > > Is it what we call a "gym" in America? > > The dictionary definition I found just said it was "a building

Re: [Tagging] cuisine=milk_shake ? | Re: Tag for a milk_shake shop?

2019-09-05 Thread ael
On Thu, Sep 05, 2019 at 04:38:44PM +0200, Rory McCann wrote: > Why not `cuisine=milk_shakes` (or should it be singular?) ? If you can sit > inside it and drink your milk shake, I'd almost say it's an `amenity=cafe` Sounds a good idea. I have just switched it to shop=beverages and

[Tagging] cuisine=milk_shake ? | Re: Tag for a milk_shake shop?

2019-09-05 Thread Rory McCann
Why not `cuisine=milk_shakes` (or should it be singular?) ? If you can sit inside it and drink your milk shake, I'd almost say it's an `amenity=cafe` On 05/09/2019 16:04, ael wrote: How do I tag a shop that sells milk shakes? This one: https://shakeshop.co.uk/menu/ I have used

Re: [Tagging] Tag for a milk_shake shop?

2019-09-05 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 15:17, Jez Nicholson wrote: The Shakeaway down in Brighton is "shop"="beverages" at the moment. > I'd kind of expect a beverages shop to sell drinkable products not for consumption on the premises, but there's nothing in the wiki insisting on that, so it seems like the

Re: [Tagging] Tag for a milk_shake shop?

2019-09-05 Thread ael
On Thu, Sep 05, 2019 at 03:15:45PM +0100, Jez Nicholson wrote: > The Shakeaway down in Brighton is "shop"="beverages" at the moment. So maybe shop=beverages and beverages=milk_shake ? Or is that beverage=milk_shake ? Not at all sure that is any better than > > shop=dairy and > >

Re: [Tagging] Adding leisure=sports_hall to leisure=sports_centre page

2019-09-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
What is a sports hall? Is it what we call a "gym" in America? The dictionary definition I found just said it was "a building used for sports", and the wiki page only says it's a building or part of a building "used as a sports hall", which doesn't do anything to clarify the situation. I don't

Re: [Tagging] Adding leisure=sports_hall to leisure=sports_centre page

2019-09-05 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 05.09.2019 15:48, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Another user would like the proposed tag (used 329 times) 346 if you count all tags. Look at taghistory and see it has grown from 22 in early 2018, thus about 15 times. It was a result of discussion in some communities that time.

Re: [Tagging] Tag for a milk_shake shop?

2019-09-05 Thread Jez Nicholson
The Shakeaway down in Brighton is "shop"="beverages" at the moment. On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 3:06 PM ael wrote: > How do I tag a shop that sells milk shakes? > > This one: https://shakeshop.co.uk/menu/ > > I have used > amenity=milk_shakes > and > shop=dairy > for now. > > But shop=dairy seems

[Tagging] Tag for a milk_shake shop?

2019-09-05 Thread ael
How do I tag a shop that sells milk shakes? This one: https://shakeshop.co.uk/menu/ I have used amenity=milk_shakes and shop=dairy for now. But shop=dairy seems misleading. Just shop=milk_shake, perhaps? Or perhaps shop=dairy and dairy=milk_shake ? That last seems the best choice? This is

[Tagging] Adding leisure=sports_hall to leisure=sports_centre page

2019-09-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Another user would like the proposed tag (used 329 times) leisure=sports_hall to be added to leisure=sports_centre. However, I believe that rarely used, proposed tags should be approved through the proposal process or should become commonly used organically, before being added to the pages of

Re: [Tagging] Using destination_sign relations for pedestrian navigation

2019-09-05 Thread Johnparis
*I wish to amend the Wiki to explain that destination_sign relations can also be used for pedestrian and indoor routing, not just at "crossroads". Does that require opening a discussion in the discussion page, or may I just go ahead ?* I think you're reading too much into the single word

Re: [Tagging] Education on topic for music schools

2019-09-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 5. Sept. 2019 um 09:59 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > Pardon me. The question is about music schools and how to tag them - they > are educational facilities. > ... > See > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Education_Reform_Alternative > > Have you

Re: [Tagging] amenity=music_school vs amenity=college?

2019-09-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Sep 2019, at 07:18, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Should amenity=music_school be in map features? IMHO the term is not clear, speaking of Germany, we need at least 3 types of significantly different objects, which might be eventually be called music schools: 1.

Re: [Tagging] Using destination_sign relations for pedestrian navigation

2019-09-05 Thread Jez Nicholson
FYI, Antoine is referring to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:destination_sign and there are 66,391 currently in OSM. On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 8:31 AM Antoine Riche via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Hello. > > We are working with SNCF, the french railway company, to

Re: [Tagging] amenity=music_school vs amenity=college?

2019-09-05 Thread Warin
On 05/09/19 17:55, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Paul Allen, if you know how the tag amenity=college is used in the UK, please update the wiki page with more information. Right now it's not entirely clear if the "sixth form" colleges should be amenity-college.

Re: [Tagging] Education on topic for music schools

2019-09-05 Thread Warin
On 05/09/19 16:15, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: That's off-topic from this thread. Pardon me. The question is about music schools and how to tag them - they are educational facilities. Tagging them should consider the best way to tag them. Please make a proposal and bring it to a vote if you

Re: [Tagging] amenity=music_school vs amenity=college?

2019-09-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Paul Allen, if you know how the tag amenity=college is used in the UK, please update the wiki page with more information. Right now it's not entirely clear if the "sixth form" colleges should be amenity-college. On 9/5/19, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 07:14, Joseph Eisenberg >

[Tagging] Using destination_sign relations for pedestrian navigation

2019-09-05 Thread Antoine Riche via Tagging
Hello. We are working with SNCF, the french railway company, to provide pedestrian navigation inside and around railway stations in the Greater Paris area. A dedicated routing engine, which provides indoor/outdoor navigation and supports area routing, has been developed – this will be

Re: [Tagging] amenity=music_school vs amenity=college?

2019-09-05 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 07:14, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: That's a good point. I was thinking of "music schools" for adults, > which are often associated with universities or an alternative to > college, > You've just highlighted a difference between US and British English. In British English,

Re: [Tagging] Hill figures

2019-09-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 16:51, Volker Schmidt wrote: > The one I quoted seems to be considerably older: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uffington_White_Horse > That one is, yes, & Martin's historic tag would definitely apply there, but (all?) the ones in the OP date from ~1700s onwards with two

Re: [Tagging] Hill figures

2019-09-05 Thread Volker Schmidt
The one I quoted seems to be considerably older: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uffington_White_Horse On Wed, 4 Sep 2019, 23:47 Graeme Fitzpatrick, wrote: > > > On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 at 18:54, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> It could make sense in this context to mention the tag >>

Re: [Tagging] Walking & Cycling Node Network tagging: undoing the hijacking of rcn and rwn

2019-09-05 Thread Peter Elderson
We have considered node_network=yes. But other network configurations are already present. We now map two network setups, but the default one (chained ways) is by no means uniform, and we have already seen colour choice networks. So all emerging network configurations would need a separate key.

[Tagging] Education

2019-09-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
That's off-topic from this thread. Please make a proposal and bring it to a vote if you want to replace a key or tag with a new one. On 9/5/19, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 5/9/19 3:18 pm, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> Are music schools a type of amenity=college or should they be

Re: [Tagging] amenity=music_school vs amenity=college?

2019-09-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
That's a good point. I was thinking of "music schools" for adults, which are often associated with universities or an alternative to college, but it's true that many music schools offer lessons for younger children. On 9/5/19, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > 5 Sep 2019, 07:18 by