Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-06-29 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 20:51 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: I would not be surprised if there are also some occurrences of drive-thru or drive_thru. American business people seem to prefer to write thru rather than through, so much so that some members of the public probably aren't aware

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-15 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 12:48 +0100, Dave F. wrote: On 14/06/2011 19:49, Peter Svensson wrote: This tag might be useful for subjective tagging for bikes: Please avoid subjective tagging, because, err... it's subjective. For confusing examples refer to the page you linked to. Out of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Club

2011-06-07 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 22:15 +0100, ael wrote: Seriously, in the UK, I am going to my club would normally be understood to refer to some such institution, at least among some sections of the community. In Australia, 'going to the club' means (generally) going to a licenced members-only

Re: [Tagging] fire alarms

2011-06-05 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-06-05 at 15:58 +0200, fly wrote: I wonder why many people try to force the approval of a tag by fast votes on the wiki. A tag gets approved by uses in the data and software handling it. Which raises another point, that if you really want to get your proposal accepted more rapidly

Re: [Tagging] steps as access to water, and waterfront

2011-06-03 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 15:36 +0200, Martijn van Exel wrote: Hi, How would you tag steps that provide access to water? See here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rhodes/5793021284 Im trying to map a similar situation, except in my case the bottom 2 steps are underwater at high-tide. This makes it

Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistences fishmonger vs. seafood

2011-05-16 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 00:02 -0700, Sam Vekemans wrote: The Wiki has http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dseafood A shop selling fish/seafood. ... Alternative names during the discussion on the tagging mailinglist were: * shop=fish - To be easily confused with pet shops

Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistences fishmonger vs. seafood

2011-05-16 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 18:10 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/5/16 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: I agree. I think seafood is a more generic proposal than 'fishmonger' which may not be understood as widely. shop=fishmonger is the standard term every German-English dictionary

Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistences fishmonger vs. seafood

2011-05-16 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 01:33 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/5/17 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: I think fishmonger is the shop/retailer, seafood is the product. would you use seafood for freshwater fish? And if yes, also if they sell only freshwater fish? I think its just

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - childcare

2011-05-09 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-05-09 at 11:36 -0500, Brad Neuhauser wrote: I notice the suggested rendering is similar to schools. Don't know about other areas, but in the US, many childcare centers are run out of private homes, so that rendering might seem a little strange. Maybe in that case a node is a

Re: [Tagging] music clubs tagging

2011-05-06 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 09:35 +0200, Karel Kuželka wrote: Hello, we are mapping cultural and entertainment objects in Prague and have trouble tagging MUSIC CLUBS, places to listen to LIVE music (e.g. jazz clubs, rock clubs etc) It seems an appropriate map feature is lacking. The closest

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 15:10 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: Am 30.04.2011 um 12:10 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/4/29 Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de: It appears that people have been using car as a key for this purpose. Should I use that, and add an appropriate entry below motorcar=*?

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 17:08 +0200, Sebastian Hohmann wrote: But don't forget bicycle=yes, foot=yes, horse=yes, skating=yes, dog=yes, ... But is bicycle/horse/skate/dog parking allowed? This is a discussion of how to tag limited access to parking, in which case you dont need to say what IS

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-05-01 at 02:10 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: hgv=no might or might not be understood to include busses, but it certainly would not imply cars with a trailer, or small caravans. If I was towing a caravan, I wouldnt set my navigation device to think Im in a car or a motorbike, Id most

Re: [Tagging] branch=* tag to specify the particular branch of a chain of stores/amenities

2011-04-27 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 07:34 +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:brand The brand=* is a larger entity that a place advertises itself as part of Which means that you put Burger King or Barclay's or McDonald's into the brand tag. I

Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...

2011-04-27 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 19:33 +0100, Laurence Penney wrote: Historical event geotagging could rapidly get out of hand. This feels to me very much orthogonal to OSM - almost every news story, photo, work of art, etc arguably deserves a geotag, but hardly any of them deserve to be in OSM. I agree

Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values

2011-04-25 Thread David Murn
I mapped a road the other day which was exactly like this (different speeds) and wondered exactly the same thing. The signs I saw applied to trucks and buses though, more than just hgv/goods. As Tobias said, your suggestion is suitable, Id add the suggestion of maxspeed:bus also. David On Sun,

Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values

2011-04-25 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 13:27 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/4/25 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: The signs I saw applied to trucks and buses though, more than just hgv/goods. As Tobias said, your suggestion is suitable, Id add the suggestion of maxspeed:bus also. There is also

Re: [Tagging] access forbidden for tourist busses

2011-04-12 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 12:01 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/4/12 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: My first idea was tourist_bus=no Why not use access:*=* ? Usually we tag foot=no instead of access:foot=no, and I don't see why I should change this standard here. To be

Re: [Tagging] Sports_centre, gym, dojo

2011-04-08 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 15:24 -0400, Richard Weait wrote: Also locally, a gymnasium is a large indoor sport floor which can be configured for multiple sports like gymnastics, basketball, volleyball, murderball, etc. taginfo says only 16 instances of leisure=gymnasium are in OSM at the moment.

Re: [Tagging] power line with different wired cables

2011-04-04 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-04-04 at 10:57 +0200, fly wrote: Hi I have found a power line with 3 quad-wired cables on one side and 3 doubled-wired cables on the other. Should I use left/right for this ? Since this is actually 2 lines simply following the same path, I suggest using cables=6

Re: [Tagging] Nuclear Key

2011-04-02 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 14:42 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: This (new ?) schema seems not often used (some plant has the 2). Excellent example of wiki fiddling ... at least this was discussed and voted about: Im sure I remember seeing this discussed either on here or possibly on

Re: [Tagging] Retaking the discussion on ATMs

2011-04-02 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 10:33 +0100, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: We've agreed in the spanish list to add the network tag to the ATM, so if there is no discussion against here, I will add that to the wiki. The amenity=fuel tag schema uses:

Re: [Tagging] Nuclear Key

2011-04-02 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-04-02 at 12:11 +0200, Ulf Lamping wrote: Am 02.04.2011 11:03, schrieb David Murn: If someone comes up with a proposal, discusses it on mailing lists, emails current users of the tag, casts and finishes a vote, how on earth can you call it wiki-fiddling? Yes, but if someone

Re: [Tagging] Retaking the discussion on ATMs

2011-04-02 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-04-02 at 20:42 +0100, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: On Sat, 2011-04-02 at 20:12 +1100, David Murn wrote: On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 10:33 +0100, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: We've agreed in the spanish list to add the network tag to the ATM, so if there is no discussion

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking (redux)

2011-03-21 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 14:52 +0100, Flaimo wrote: ok, i see what you mean now. use amenity=parking for the whole facility, and the new tags for defining the elements inside. In the case of the roads inside a parking area, there already exists highway=service, service=parking_aisle.

Re: [Tagging] optimizing the payment tag

2011-03-17 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 19:56 +0100, Flaimo wrote: i would like to rewrite the wiki page for payment so there is a consistent payment:payment method=yes/no scheme (like the fuel types for example). currently there is a mixture of boolean and list values which is not good for programmatic

Re: [Tagging] Locating the voting page for a tag

2011-03-13 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 14:16 -0700, Paul Norman wrote: While looking into some issues around a bad import, I ran across http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap/Lights_Data_Model but was unable to find a page with voting or discussion. Not every tag has to be voted on. Some wiki pages

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [Spam?]Re: [Spam?]Re: Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-18 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 11:16 +0100, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/2/18 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: Because the use of (min_)levels,height is in use by 3D renderers and IMHO this min_level-part of the advanced building proposal is not working (is using wrong semantics), at least

Re: [Tagging] airport vs. aerodrome

2011-02-16 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 23:22 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: Err, as I said, quibbles about aerodrome vs airport. Do we really want the ability to store aircraft to be the distinguishing feature between an airport and an aerodrome? Its not so much about whether you can store aircraft, but that one

Re: [Tagging] airport vs. aerodrome

2011-02-15 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 13:24 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:02 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: (I know, don't tag for the renderers Can we just ban that ridiculous, misquoted and harmful commandment? Taking into account renderer support for

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-15 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 01:52 +0100, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/2/16 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: -1, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Layer http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:layer our wiki is becoming something like the bible: you can find a page for every opinion ;-)

Re: [Tagging] Draft - Vegetarian/Vegan

2011-02-14 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 18:53 +0100, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/2/14 Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net: AFAIK there is quite a lot of differentiation in the vegetarian community (e.g. Ovo, lacto, ovo-lacto, veganism, raw veganism, fruitarianism, buddhist vegetarianism) if you are an expert in