Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

"I have no problem to additionally add amenity=place_of_worship or appropriate tag to the area." It is absurd to tag parking as amenity=place_of_worship or include it in this area - it is not a place of worship. Maybe landuse=religious has problems, but it is a better solution for cases like this

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

I added a clarification to the limitations section, as after rereading the comments and the wiki page trying to understand Andreas' position, and realized that there was no talk of exceptions when the school or other small facility was considered as an amenity to the main religious complex. I

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

> Am 18.02.2015 um 01:07 schrieb John Willis : > > There is no building named "abc shopping center" - the complex's landuse is > named that, and the buildings are the individual shops. its not the landuse which has the name, landuses are attributes, the shopping center is a shop (?) entity

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

> Am 18.02.2015 um 00:12 schrieb Andreas Goss : > > And if there is a amenity=school in the centre of a monastary I have to cut > it out. Nice. you won't have to cut it out, you can have a big area amenity =monastery with overlapping smaller areas pow and school (given they'd be part of th

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 18, 2015, at 9:50 AM, John Willis wrote: > > Right- per the wiki: "with few exceptions". > > The religious object is the ground. > > But that really applies to the other Correction : rarely > Millions of religious facilities with a building and a space around

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

Right- per the wiki: "with few exceptions". The religious object is the ground. But that really applies to the other Millions of religious facilities with a building and a space around the worshipping facility. Javbw > On Feb 18, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

On 18/02/2015 11:07 AM, John Willis wrote: Religious landuse is not about saying that the ground is religious, any more than saying landuse=retail is land that is for sale - it is for the land dedicated to a facility where people worship - just as retail is where people sell, and residential i

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:12 AM, Andreas Goss wrote: >> If the facility is a stand-alone facility whose primary purpose is not as a >> place to worship - but merely operated by a religious entity - such as a >> school, hospital, etc, then it is tagged as it currently is. > >

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

The only thing I got from your talk was that you don't like manmade landuses, or every facility you have ever mapped is a single use, single purpose shop, always separated from the other - never in a shared space that is named something differently. If you have one named facility - a shopping c

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

If the facility is a stand-alone facility whose primary purpose is not as a place to worship - but merely operated by a religious entity - such as a school, hospital, etc, then it is tagged as it currently is. I fail to see how some grass or parking lot around the church is the primarty purpo

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

fly wrote on 2015-02-17 23:12: I still do not understand, why we can not use religion=* without any landuse. on which area description? I have no problem to additionally add amenity=place_of_worship or appropriate tag to the area. I have. The same is true for supermarket with there own ar

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

Am 17.02.2015 um 22:40 schrieb Tom Pfeifer: > Andreas Goss wrote on 2015-02-17 22:02: >> If people really continute to use this tag I will use it for everything >> run by the chatholic church in Germany, after all they are the largest >> private land owner... Then they can have fun with their "chur

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

Please read the wiki page, especially the section on limitations. If the facility is a stand-alone facility whose primary purpose is not as a place to worship - but merely operated by a religious entity - such as a school, hospital, etc, then it is tagged as it currently is. If the facility's

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

Andreas Goss wrote on 2015-02-17 22:02: > If people really continute to use this tag I will use it for everything > run by the chatholic church in Germany, after all they are the largest > private land owner... Then they can have fun with their "church yards". the tag is about land_use_, not land

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

Am 17.02.2015 um 22:02 schrieb Andreas Goss: >> Having a landuse for “religion” seems simple to understand > > Oh really? Is every Kindergarden run by the chruch in Bavaria now a > landuse=religious? What about office building run by the church? What if > they overlap with other landuses? > > If

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

Having a landuse for “religion” seems simple to understand Oh really? Is every Kindergarden run by the chruch in Bavaria now a landuse=religious? What about office building run by the church? What if they overlap with other landuses? If people really continute to use this tag I will use it f

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

Excellent job. Thanks for all your hard work. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:10 PM, John Willis wrote: > I added two sections to the wiki - Purpose and limitations to try to spell > out what we talked about. > > I also wrote that POW on an area as a landuse for most uses will be > superseded by landu

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

I added two sections to the wiki - Purpose and limitations to try to spell out what we talked about. I also wrote that POW on an area as a landuse for most uses will be superseded by landuse=religious, and the POW tag is very important as a tag for a building or physical object that resides in

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 17, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > 2015-02-16 14:20 GMT+01:00 John Willis : >>> So far I have not experienced a problem with adding "religion" and >>> "denomination" tags to features operated by a religious community and have >>> continued

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-02-16 14:20 GMT+01:00 John Willis : > So far I have not experienced a problem with adding "religion" and > "denomination" tags to features operated by a religious community and have > continued to use the same landuse I'd use otherwise on the same kind of > feature (if any). What would I gain

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 16, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > 2015-02-15 13:44 GMT+01:00 John Willis : >> Landuse=religious is a generic version of churchyard. > > > > I agree that a churchyard could have a dedicated tag like amenity=churchyard > (similar to ameni

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

Am 16.02.2015 um 11:56 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > 2015-02-15 13:44 GMT+01:00 John Willis : > >> Landuse=religious is a generic version of churchyard. >> > I agree that a churchyard could have a dedicated tag like > amenity=churchyard (similar to amenity=graveyard) or historic=churchyard. > IMH

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-02-15 13:44 GMT+01:00 John Willis : > Landuse=religious is a generic version of churchyard. > I agree that a churchyard could have a dedicated tag like amenity=churchyard (similar to amenity=graveyard) or historic=churchyard. IMHO "landuse" shouldn't define a feature, but be used as an att

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

Landuse=religious is a generic version of churchyard. I can think of several large church complexes in California - a massive Mormon temple, a Presbyterian church ground a with a small preschool, a couple Catholic Churches, a Jehovah's Witness hall, a big mega-church hall, a cult-like church t

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

On 15/02/2015 11:17, Tom Pfeifer wrote: I find that landuse=churchyard vs. landuse=religious+religion=christian have the same meaning, with the advantage that the latter works multicultural. No. If you read back up through this and previous threads, you'll see that "landuse=religious" simp

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

SomeoneElse wrote on 2015-02-15 10:52: You can't always take taginfo numbers at face value. right. let's look closer. For example, in the UK much of the usage of "landuse=religious" was introduced by this changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/25035328 14 I have counted in this

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

On 15/02/2015 01:24, Warin wrote: What 'landuse' would you say it is? It does not fit in any of the values given on the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse There are over 2,900 tagged landuse=religious currently. as shown by the taginfo. You can't always take taginfo numbe

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

+1 Having a landuse for “religion” seems simple to understand, simple to implement, and simple to parse when thinking of the facility as a single thing with many amenities - like a mall, office complex, or another large establishment that handles lots of visitors visitors and offers them amenities.

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

On 14/02/2015 1:51 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-01-03 16:28 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić >: Landuse=religious AFAIK started being used for land that is owned by a religious entity, and in it there would be schools, playgrounds, priest living grounds, and

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

> On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:51 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > 2015-01-03 16:28 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić >: > Landuse=religious AFAIK started being used for land that is owned by a > religious entity, and in it there would be schools, playgrounds, priest > livi

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-01-03 16:28 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić : > Landuse=religious AFAIK started being used for land that is owned by a > religious entity, and in it there would be schools, playgrounds, priest > living grounds, and so on. Then this was disputed +1, "religious" really isn't a _landuse_ in these ca

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

I want landuse=religious to map all the buddhist and shinto temple complexes in Japan. some of them are huge, dotted with individual shrines, temples, sacred waterfalls, and maintained gardens. even small local temples and shrines usually have more than a few things on their location (a few sta

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

On 06/01/2015 02:48, John Willis wrote: I thought tat was a feature, to actually deprecate the landuse from the buildings, so we don't have the similar issue again of a building and area rendered the same. (at the risk of going around in circles) in the Western Christian tradition, it's usu

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

And now code is fixed, rendering on website will change after releasing next version - https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/1196 2015-01-04 16:07 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > amenity=place of worship that is not rendered as area is a bug > Thanks for a report - it is now on

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

I thought tat was a feature, to actually deprecate the landuse from the buildings, so we don't have the similar issue again of a building and area rendered the same. If -carto rendered landuse=religious, then the POW would be tagged on buildings, sitting on the landuse with hopefully a complim

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

I think too that place of worship could follow the established practice for detailed mapping of schools ie: amenity for grounds building for buildings > Which then as I said needs a multpolygon? No? I always thought you were not supposed to have landuse overlap. If the date user or renderer is sm

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

amenity=place of worship that is not rendered as area is a bug Thanks for a report - it is now on bugtracker as https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1193 2015-01-04 15:20 GMT+01:00 Dave F. : > Hi > > Now that the render amendments have come through, It seems the comment > be

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

Hi Now that the render amendments have come through, It seems the comment below is inaccurate. It's not being rendered at all. Was that the intention? I was unaware the grey render was considered as 'building', especially since adding building=yes changed the colour. Areas are mapped as reli

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

I think he means closed way = area, as landuse implies area=yes . Which then as I said needs a multpolygon? No? I always thought you were not supposed to have landuse overlap. __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88‎

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

"put up a tent to sell widgets" qualifies as landuse=retail and "uses a lot to store metal bars" qualifies as landuse=industrial. There is no need to wait. 2015-01-04 0:27 GMT+01:00 johnw : > > > On Jan 4, 2015, at 1:38 AM, John F. Eldredge > wrote: > > > > The situation in India could mean that

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

On Saturday, January 3, 2015, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > > Not sure why a church / temple/ shrine/ mosque landuse would be drawn > any differently than an office park or a retail shop. > > This could get interesting. St Matthew Lutheran in Beaverton, OR has a Les > Schwab Tire Center on it's prop

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

> On Jan 3, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Andreas Goss wrote: > > Since when do we use ways for landuse=* ? > > Also I have not found a single one that is tagged like you say. They are all > areas. > I think he means closed way = area, as landuse implies area=yes . Javbw > >> Why multipolygons? Typ

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

> On Jan 4, 2015, at 1:38 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > > The situation in India could mean that a congregation was meeting on that > site, and planned to construct a building there, but had not yet done so. Eventually landuse=religious, unless you are a member of the congregation, and know t

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

I'm OK with this. Pretty rare to see indoor (or even specifically denominational!) PoWs at Boy Scout camps in the US from what I've seen. On Jan 2, 2015 9:45 AM, "Mateusz Konieczny" wrote: > "I don't agree that place_of_worship requires a building." > > Yes. But buildings that are PoW require a

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

On Jan 3, 2015 4:14 AM, "John Willis" wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:56 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > > Why multipolygons? Typical area with various church thingies (church, vicarage etc) > > is not requiring multypolygon - it is usually may be represented by a simple closed way. >

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

And since r7923 JOSM will complain about missing building tag for aeroway=terminal http://josm.openstreetmap.de/changeset/7923/josm - thanks to Don-vip 2015-01-02 16:43 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > Query to find aeroway=terminal without building tag: > http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/6Ne > > For p

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

ect: Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and > terminal without building tag > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> >landuse=religious > Which still nobody knows what it is supposed to be used for... I too don&

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

n 3/01/2015 4:56 PM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: > >> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 04:45:24 +0100 >> From: Andreas Goss >> To:tagging@openstreetmap.org >> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and >> terminal without building tag

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

I'm mapping in Thailand where the majority of temples sit inside a compound, typically enclosed by walls, inside of which are the main temple and any number of buildings. Monks' residences, guest facilities, food shops, all are enclosed by the walls. The enclosures are fairly obvious in the Bing ae

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

> On Jan 3, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Andreas Goss wrote: > >> this is just a polygon around a church yard, with the rest of the buildings >> and amenities inside. > > EXCEPT it does NOT say church yard but religious landuse. > > So this is how I would use this tag: http://i.imgur.com/KZvkB3i.png

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

On 3/01/2015 4:56 PM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 04:45:24 +0100 From: Andreas Goss To:tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

this is just a polygon around a church yard, with the rest of the buildings and amenities inside. EXCEPT it does NOT say church yard but religious landuse. So this is how I would use this tag: http://i.imgur.com/KZvkB3i.png __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

> On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:56 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Why multipolygons? Typical area with various church thingies (church, > vicarage etc) > is not requiring multypolygon - it is usually may be represented by a simple > closed way. +1 Yea, just as landuse=retail is around a 7/11, wit

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

Since when do we use ways for landuse=* ? Also I have not found a single one that is tagged like you say. They are all areas. Why multipolygons? Typical area with various church thingies (church, vicarage etc) is not requiring multypolygon - it is usually may be represented by a simple close

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

Why multipolygons? Typical area with various church thingies (church, vicarage etc) is not requiring multypolygon - it is usually may be represented by a simple closed way. 2015-01-03 4:45 GMT+01:00 Andreas Goss : > landuse=religious >> > > Which still nobody knows what it is supposed to be used

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

landuse=religious Which still nobody knows what it is supposed to be used for... I'm supposed to tag this around every church? Well, have fun with those landuse multipolygons... __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88‎ _

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

> On Jan 3, 2015, at 3:18 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > "parking areas, and in some cases even tennis and soccer pitches" > > In this cases also amenity=place_of_worship probably is not necessary. > It sounds like operator=*, owner=* and maybe landuse=religious would be > a better solution.

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

Le 2 janv. 2015 19:03, "Matthijs Melissen" a écrit : > [...] In such cases, > a building=yes tag is of course not necessary, and I think it would > also be an improvement if such areas are not rendered as buildings. > I would rather suggestions building=church (or chapel) on appropriate polygons.

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

"parking areas, and in some cases even tennis and soccer pitches" In this cases also amenity=place_of_worship probably is not necessary. It sounds like operator=*, owner=* and maybe landuse=religious would be a better solution. I am pretty sure that parkings are not used as place of worship. 2

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

I had a look in Padova, and I noticed that most polygons tagged amenity=place_of_worship in that area are not actually buildings. They include the gardens, parking areas, and in some cases even tennis and soccer pitches that apparently are part of the church. In such cases, a building=yes tag is of

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

According to OSM-talk message it will be rolled out "soon". 2015-01-02 18:19 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt : > Matthijs, > > it looks that we will have a problem in Italy. I just ran your query on a > 90kmx100km area around Padova and obtained about 1000 potential problems. > Some of them are definiti

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

Matthijs, it looks that we will have a problem in Italy. I just ran your query on a 90kmx100km area around Padova and obtained about 1000 potential problems. Some of them are definitively churches. I have put the problem on the Italian mailing list. What's the time schedule for this new version o

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

Same query for amenity=place_of_worship: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/6Nj Note that this contains false positives. Nodes have been excluded from this query. -- Matthijs On 2 January 2015 at 15:43, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Query to find aeroway=terminal without building tag: > http://overpass-tu

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

On 2 January 2015 at 15:42, Marc Gemis wrote: > I don't agree that place_of_worship requires a building. > E.g. the Lourdes grotto or perhaps modern versions of Stonehenge or ... > In Christian religion there are several places with many small shrines, but > the whole is a place of worship (sorry

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

+1, I made the same mistake On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > Ooops, I just re-read your post. I think I understand now. > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Clifford Snow > wrote: > >> >> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Matthijs Melissen < >> i...@matthijsmelissen.nl> wr

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

"I don't agree that place_of_worship requires a building." Yes. But buildings that are PoW require a building tag. See"to all buildings tagged with" in the first post. 2015-01-02 16:42 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis : > I don't agree that place_of_worship requires a building. > E.g. the Lourdes grotto or

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

Ooops, I just re-read your post. I think I understand now. On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Matthijs Melissen < > i...@matthijsmelissen.nl> wrote: > >> In the next version of the openstreetmap-carto style sheet (the >> default rendering us

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

Query to find aeroway=terminal without building tag: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/6Ne For place_of_worship it is more complicated, as some really are not buildings. 2015-01-02 16:17 GMT+01:00 Matthijs Melissen : > Dear all, > > In the next version of the openstreetmap-carto style sheet (the > defa

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

I don't agree that place_of_worship requires a building. E.g. the Lourdes grotto or perhaps modern versions of Stonehenge or ... In Christian religion there are several places with many small shrines, but the whole is a place of worship (sorry don't know the English word). The wiki page [1] states

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

Whoa! There are about 44,000 wats (temples) in Thailand. Of the few thousand that are mapped most of those are mapped only as nodes. Are you saying those will all disappear on the OSM slippy maps? On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > Dear all, > > In the next version of th

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > In the next version of the openstreetmap-carto style sheet (the > default rendering used on openstreetmap.org) there will be some > changes that might highlight current tagging errors. > > Is it possible to create a Maproulette challenge

[Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

Dear all, In the next version of the openstreetmap-carto style sheet (the default rendering used on openstreetmap.org) there will be some changes that might highlight current tagging errors. In particular, areas tagged with amenity=place_of_worship or aeroway=terminal that do not have a building