Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again)

2014-06-02 Thread fly
Am 30.05.2014 18:32, schrieb Nelson A. de Oliveira: (Please, don't make a voodoo doll of me because I am bringing this discussion back.) We had a long discussion in https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-April/017247.html and now I saw in the English wiki

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes wiki page update

2014-06-02 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-06-01 21:17, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote : Can't the wiki page be protected? Would you do the updates, corrections and translation? I think it should just be mandatory to prepare/publish any substantial change on the sister mailing list.

[Tagging] noexit=yes wiki page update

2014-06-01 Thread André Pirard
High, During the discussion of this tag, it was said that a sure culprit for incorrect noexit=yes tags, is a misleading phrasing Use the noexit=yes tag at the end of a highway http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway=* to indicate that there is no possibility to travel further by any

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes wiki page update

2014-06-01 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Can't the wiki page be protected? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes wiki page update

2014-06-01 Thread Florian Schäfer
Hi André, Am 01.06.2014 20:49, schrieb André Pirard: High, During the discussion of this tag, it was said that a sure culprit for incorrect noexit=yes tags, is a misleading phrasing Use the noexit=yes tag at the end of a highway http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway=* to indicate

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes wiki page update

2014-06-01 Thread Pieren
All arguments are on the table. Nothing new here but a recent change in the wiki removed what was accepted as a compromise in april. There is not conceptual mistake to say it's a cul-de-sac on the node or on the way. Providing the information to QA tools or other contributors on the last way or on

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again) (and again)

2014-05-31 Thread Yves
I had never tagged a noexit=yes, neither node=yes nor way=yes, but I find it sensible to declare it as false positive in QA tools. Agree that the tag is less meaningful on ways. Yves On 31 mai 2014 06:51:59 UTC+02:00, bulwersator bulwersa...@zoho.com wrote: noexit=yes on ways makes absolutely no

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again) (and again)

2014-05-31 Thread Volker Schmidt
Sorry, I may have missed part of this endless discussion. But how do I tag a dead-end sign on a road (e.g. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Zeichen_357.svg). These signs exist in various forms in various countries, and they are placed at the beginning of the road or stretch of roads which

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again) (and again)

2014-05-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 31/mag/2014 um 10:06 schrieb Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: But how do I tag a dead-end sign on a road (e.g. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Zeichen_357.svg). you'd tag it best on a node with traffic_sign=* (e.g. dead_end) cheers,

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again) (and again)

2014-05-31 Thread Volker Schmidt
This is not so obvious, because it has to be directional (for the router). If you start your route in such a dead-end street you never get out, if it's not directional. The noexit=yes on the way to me seems much simpler and intuitive. (I used the tag initially in this way, when I started with OSM.

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again) (and again)

2014-05-31 Thread Andre Engels
What does the router have to do with the traffic sign? What information does it get from it that can not be easier got from the topology? André On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: This is not so obvious, because it has to be directional (for the router).

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again) (and again)

2014-05-31 Thread Andreas Goss
Am 5/31/14 12:46 , schrieb Volker Schmidt: This is not so obvious, because it has to be directional (for the router). If you start your route in such a dead-end street you never get out, if it's not directional. The noexit=yes on the way to me seems much simpler and intuitive. (I used the tag

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again) (and again)

2014-05-31 Thread Tod Fitch
Any decent router will totally ignore a noexit=yes tag as it determines the topology from the actual ways and how they are connected. The noexit=yes tag serves only one purpose and has two different data consumers: the next human mapper that comes along and automated QA tools. It allows those

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again)

2014-05-30 Thread SomeoneElse
Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: (Please, don't make a voodoo doll of me because I am bringing this discussion back.) Too late! :) We had a long discussion in https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-April/017247.html and now I saw in the English wiki

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again)

2014-05-30 Thread Fernando Trebien
I'd also recommend adding the page to your watchlist. Unfortunately, the wiki has no moderation, so edit wars are really possible. On May 30, 2014 1:48 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: (Please, don't make a voodoo doll of me because I am bringing

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again) (and again)

2014-05-30 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-05-30 18:47, SomeoneElse wrote : We had a long discussion in https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-April/017247.html and now I saw in the English wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:noexit

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again) (and again)

2014-05-30 Thread bulwersator
noexit=yes on ways makes absolutely no sense and mentioning this tagging style on wiki suggests otherwise. On Fri, 30 May 2014 17:16:29 -0700 André Pirard lt;a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comgt; wrote On 2014-05-30 18:47, SomeoneElse wrote : 5388b60f.9080...@mail.atownsend.org.uk

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ? (a typical OSM story)

2014-04-14 Thread fly
Am 13.04.2014 22:36, schrieb Mike N: On 4/13/2014 4:21 PM, Pieren wrote: It's just a long and onerous discussion to find dubious arguments against this tag on ways. It's really an argument against needless clutter in the Wiki. Why not add noexit to a relation to show some condition? To

[Tagging] noexit=yes : the outcome

2014-04-14 Thread André Pirard
Hi, Side note: Please note that I just found two versions of the "Use the noexit=yes tag..." text. One ahead that says that it must be used only on nodes and the former one inside that says that it can be used on ways too.  I left the newcomer where it was: ahead

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes : the outcome

2014-04-14 Thread fly
Am 14.04.2014 14:07, schrieb André Pirard: Hi, Side note: Please note that I just found two versions of the Use the noexit=yes tag... text. One ahead that says that it must be used only on nodes and the former one inside that says that it can be used on ways too. I left the newcomer where

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ? (a typical OSM story)

2014-04-13 Thread fly
Am 12.04.2014 20:52, schrieb Nelson A. de Oliveira: So the wiki will stay allowing and saying to use noexit on ways too, even if the majority agree that it shouldn't be like this? The german page will exclude ways and all other communities can discuss this issue on

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ? (a typical OSM story)

2014-04-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
that we have to prove to any government that we are trying to put right something that is hardly a problem. In fact, spending brainpower and time on such a trivial issue would be quite a misallocation of resources. Now what about some more fun? Flood tagging noexit=no in the middle of every street

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ? (a typical OSM story)

2014-04-13 Thread John Packer
our data right. I don't think that we have to prove to any government that we are trying to put right something that is hardly a problem. In fact, spending brainpower and time on such a trivial issue would be quite a misallocation of resources. Now what about some more fun? Flood tagging

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ? (a typical OSM story)

2014-04-12 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
So the wiki will stay allowing and saying to use noexit on ways too, even if the majority agree that it shouldn't be like this? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ? (a typical OSM story)

2014-04-11 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 6:08 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comwrote: What, in tagging a way, indicates on which end of it is the dead end? (I asked that already). omg, all ends (last node) not connected to another highway are surely dead ends when the tag is present :-)) (and the

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ? (a typical OSM story)

2014-04-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 11/apr/2014 um 17:14 schrieb Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com: This thread is unbelievable. +1. ;-) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread John Packer
Just a quick comment: If it's not useful to use it on ways, then I don't think we should recommend it on nodes *or ways* on the wiki page (as it is currently). In fact, we should recommend against putting on ways. 2014-04-09 16:16 GMT-03:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: On

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Florian Schäfer
Yes, I agree. That recommendation was introduced yesterday by Pieren [1]. I strongly oppose that. The wiki is not for documenting Tagging-trends, but for documenting best practices. And I would say, that tagging noexit=yes on ways is not a best practice. In my opinion an acceptable comment

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread fly
On 10.04.2014 14:51, John Packer wrote: Just a quick comment: If it's not useful to use it on ways, then I don't think we should recommend it on nodes /or ways/ on the wiki page (as it is currently). In fact, we should recommend against putting on ways. Well, there is one person against wiki

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread John Packer
I removed the use on ways from the wiki page. The wiki is not for documenting Tagging-trends, but for documenting best practices. I agree 100% with this. I also added the following phrase to the Usage section: In the past this tag was used on ways very often, but because tagging on ways has

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:48 PM, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com wrote: I also added the following phrase to the Usage section: In the past this tag was used on ways very often, but because tagging on ways has several disadvantages, you should rather tag noexit=yes on nodes. I cannot

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:10 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, there is one person against wiki fiddling and in favour of using it on ways, who simply does change the just corrected version without further discussion. Well, consider that I'm speaking in the name of the

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Florian Schäfer
Am 10.04.2014 15:48, schrieb John Packer: I removed the use on ways from the wiki page. The wiki is not for documenting Tagging-trends, but for documenting best practices. I agree 100% with this. I also added the following phrase to the Usage section: In the past this tag was

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Florian Schäfer
Am 10.04.2014 15:54, schrieb Pieren: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:10 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, there is one person against wiki fiddling and in favour of using it on ways, who simply does change the just corrected version without further discussion. Well, consider that I'm

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Florian Schäfer flor...@schaeferban.de wrote: True, in the most cases it is not important. But sometimes it is, for example in my T-deadend example, mentioned on this ML. All cases can be covered by the tagging on nodes. The tagging on ways can't cover all

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ? (a typical OSM story)

2014-04-10 Thread André Pirard
would say, that tagging noexit=yes on ways is not a best practice. In my opinion an acceptable comment in the Wiki about tagging noexit=yes on ways would be "In the past this tag was used on ways very often (~40%). But because this tagging has several disadvantages

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Yves
I guess the problem arises from tagging dead-ends in a geo database. QA tools should keep there false positives for themself, not in OSM, don't you think? On 10 avril 2014 16:59:44 UTC+02:00, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Florian Schäfer flor...@schaeferban.de

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Mike N
On 4/10/2014 12:10 PM, Yves wrote: I guess the problem arises from tagging dead-ends in a geo database. QA tools should keep there false positives for themself, not in OSM, don't you think? Except that I don't use QA tools when editing data. But often as I create something that ends

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Mike N
On 4/10/2014 10:59 AM, Pieren wrote: But we don't have problems with the tag on the way ! It's true that the wiki has to document the best practices but it should not fordid practices that are not wrong, harmfull, unclear or ambiguous ! I regret the time when people worked with a more open mind

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread John Packer
I agree with André Pirard that: 1. If we say it should be tagged on the way, it should be clearer how it should be tagged (what if the cul-de-sac is splitted, etc) 2. noexit was a bad choice of name for this key Personally I don't know if using noexit=yes on ways is used by any software nowadays.

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-04-10 16:59, Pieren wrote : On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Florian Schäfer flor...@schaeferban.de wrote: True, in the most cases it is not important. But sometimes it is, for example in my T-deadend example, mentioned on this ML. All cases can be covered by the tagging on nodes.

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Florian Schäfer
Am 10.04.2014 16:59, schrieb Pieren: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Florian Schäfer flor...@schaeferban.de wrote: True, in the most cases it is not important. But sometimes it is, for example in my T-deadend example, mentioned on this ML. All cases can be covered by the tagging on nodes. The

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-10 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 10.04.2014 16:01, schrieb Pieren: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:48 PM, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com wrote: I also added the following phrase to the Usage section: In the past this tag was used on ways very often, but because tagging on ways has several disadvantages, you should rather

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-09 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:38 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comwrote: 1. noexit cannot be used on ways because that does not show what end cannot pass eeh, what what end ? Either the highway line is linked to another highway at both ends, then noexit is a tagging mistake. Or the

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-09 Thread Ronnie Soak
2014-04-09 10:47 GMT+02:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:38 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comwrote: 1. noexit cannot be used on ways because that does not show what end cannot pass eeh, what what end ? Either the highway line is linked to another

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-09 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com wrote: There can be a way that IS connected on both ends and still is a dead end. A road can end in a wall or a fence, where on the other side the road continues. There may be other tags there (barrier=*), but still it

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-09 Thread Ronnie Soak
There can be a way that IS connected on both ends and still is a dead end. A road can end in a wall or a fence, where on the other side the road continues. There may be other tags there (barrier=*), but still it would be hard to quickly spot the dead end side with noexit=yes tagged only

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-09 Thread Richard Welty
On 4/9/14 8:51 AM, Ronnie Soak wrote: As a means to communicate an intention from one mapper to the next, it simply is more clear when mapped on the node than on the way. I simply gave an example where the end of the dead-end way can not simply be deduced by its geometry. Regards, chaos i

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 9 April 2014 14:05, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: what makes no_exit so special that it needs its own key for this purpose? Roads that are close to each other but not connected are a common tagging mistake. The tag no_exit is a default, which we generally don't tag, but I

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-09 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: what makes no_exit so special that it needs its own key for this purpose? Once more, it's only useful for QA tools checking highway intersections geometry where one of the highway is nearby but not connected. The

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-09 Thread Florian Schäfer
Am 09.04.2014 14:51, schrieb Ronnie Soak: There can be a way that IS connected on both ends and still is a dead end. A road can end in a wall or a fence, where on the other side the road continues. There may be other tags there (barrier=*), but still it would be

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-09 Thread Richard Welty
On 4/9/14 9:13 AM, Pieren wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: what makes no_exit so special that it needs its own key for this purpose? Once more, it's only useful for QA tools checking highway intersections geometry where one of the highway is

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-09 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: but when do you remove the no_exit, or do you leave it forever for the validators? the DB developer in me doesn't like redundant information, all it does is create confusion if the data is in conflict. It's only

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-09 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Florian Schäfer flor...@schaeferban.de wrote: An example where the tagging of noexit on ways is not sufficient is a T-shaped deadend, where the crossbar is one OSM-way. At one end pedestrians can pass, at the other end not. Again, the noexit is only important

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-09 Thread Florian Schäfer
Am 09.04.2014 16:04, schrieb Pieren: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Florian Schäfer flor...@schaeferban.de wrote: An example where the tagging of noexit on ways is not sufficient is a T-shaped deadend, where the crossbar is one OSM-way. At one end pedestrians can pass, at the other end not.

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-09 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-04-09 10:47, Pieren wrote : On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:38 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: 1. noexit cannot be used on ways because that does not show what end cannot pass eeh, what what end ? Either the highway line is

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-08 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 3:48 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: noexit=yes has nothing in common with the traffic_sign as: 1. it only is about motorized traffic where noexit=yes is about every travel mode. 2. it is used at the beginning of a cul-de-sac and an information for driver of

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-08 Thread fly
On 08.04.2014 12:10, Pieren wrote: On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 3:48 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: noexit=yes has nothing in common with the traffic_sign as: 1. it only is about motorized traffic where noexit=yes is about every travel mode. 2. it is used at the beginning of a

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-08 Thread Marc Gemis
I tagged noexit=yes on the ways. Why ? If I remember correctly some more experienced mapper told me it was ok to do so. And perhaps I read the wiki page before June 28, 2011, when there was nothing mentioned about way or node. You cannot assume each mapper reads all wiki pages every week or

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-08 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:57 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: The major points in my view are: * We do not need to tag cul-de-sac as defined by the traffic_sign. This information is available through geometry and/or access tags. This is not related with tagging on the last node or

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-08 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-04-04 17:35, Pieren wrote : On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:54 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: If it is accepted, I gonna hange the wiki accordingly and gonna ask a for validator checks in JOSM, as we

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-08 Thread Tod Fitch
On Apr 8, 2014, at 3:10 AM, Pieren wrote: On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 3:48 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Please, return to earth. Tagging traffic signs is just a funny activity in fully mapped areas. How do you specify a speed limit in OSM ? with a traffic_sign tag on a node or

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-08 Thread André Pirard
Hi, A problem raised in 2013-12 on talk-be regarding the error with sign F45 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Belgium#F45 that nobody corrected. I finally did it. I had brought the subject to Tagging and it reached a consensus with Georg's message which I quote below. But nobody

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-08 Thread Marc Gemis
now make sure that all QA-tools and editors/validators follow those rules. I fear that otherwise we will keep seeing noexit tags that are used incorrectly. On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:38 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, A problem raised in 2013-12 on talk-be regarding the

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-05 Thread John F. Eldredge
If you don't use noexit=yes on ways, what do you use it on? I don't see that it would be meaningful on nodes, areas, or relations. On April 4, 2014 9:14:24 AM CDT, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:54 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: On

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-05 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-04-06 00:07, John F. Eldredge wrote : If you don't use noexit=yes on ways, what do you use it on? How do you understand "Use the noexit=yes tag on the node at the end of a highway=* ..."? If you read the wiki page very very carefully, you

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-05 Thread Dave Swarthout
I think the Wiki is abundantly clear on the usage of this tag. I says, among other things, that it is to be used on a node, not on a way, and that This tag is mainly useful where a road or path ends close to another way but where it isn't possible to get through due to a barrier or other

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-05 Thread John F. Eldredge
Well, at least on my part, the confusion was because I was thinking in terms of the no exit sign, which is always posted at the entrance to a cul-de-sac, not at the end of it. On April 5, 2014 8:00:27 PM CDT, Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Wiki is abundantly clear

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-05 Thread fly
On 06.04.2014 03:13, John F. Eldredge wrote: Well, at least on my part, the confusion was because I was thinking in terms of the no exit sign, which is always posted at the entrance to a cul-de-sac, not at the end of it. Do we need a link to traffic_sign=* ? noexit=yes has nothing in common

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-04 Thread fly
On 03.04.2014 21:22, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:17 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Is noexit=yes useful on ways ? The way has one side that has/is an exit :-) Tagging the whole way as noexit=yes seems strange. If it is accepted, I gonna hange the wiki

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-04 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:54 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: On 03.04.2014 21:22, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:17 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Is noexit=yes useful on ways ? The way has one side that has/is an exit :-) Tagging the whole way as

Re: [Tagging] noexit, aka noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-04 Thread André Pirard
Hi, Following a long dated thread, dormant draft here, what is said in the wiki article and now clarified... We now agree, Georg. It seems that this tag is one of the most understood one, and I have modified the wiki with a warning ahead so that the reader read more that the first phrase and a

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-04 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-04-04 16:14, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote : On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:54 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: On 03.04.2014 21:22, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:17 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Is noexit=yes useful on ways ? The way has one side

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-04 Thread John Packer
I also can't see why, but people also use noexit=no http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/noexit#values noexit=no is the same as fixme=continue I believe fixme=continue should be favored since it actually appears in QA Tools and in JOSM 2014-04-04 11:56 GMT-03:00 André Pirard

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-04 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:54 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: If it is accepted, I gonna hange the wiki accordingly and gonna ask a for validator checks in JOSM, as we have more than 100,000 ways with this

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-04 Thread fly
On 04.04.2014 17:35, Pieren wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:54 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: If it is accepted, I gonna hange the wiki accordingly and gonna ask a for validator checks in JOSM, as we

Re: [Tagging] noexit

2014-04-04 Thread fly
On 03.12.2013 17:08, Jo wrote: Or possibly somebody changed the meaning of the tag on the wiki, without telling dinosaurs like myself. At first it was a tag that went on ways which are a dead end for cars. The wiki history tells a different story. It got an icon in JOSM when put on nodes

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-04 Thread Jo
I was thinking the same thing, but couldn't put it into words properly. If 40% of noexit tags are on ways, this is meaningful, not some sort of accident. FWIW I also prefer to put the tag on the way, I don't care about the gratification that it gets rendered with a nifty icon in JOSM when put on a

Re: [Tagging] noexit

2014-04-04 Thread Jo
OK, I didn't check. Maybe I consulted the wiki at the wrong point in time and got it wrong for the past 6 years. Polyglot 2014-04-04 17:53 GMT+02:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: On 03.12.2013 17:08, Jo wrote: Or possibly somebody changed the meaning of the tag on the wiki, without

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-04 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-04-04 17:35, Pieren wrote : On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:54 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: If it is accepted, I gonna hange the wiki accordingly and gonna ask a for validator checks in JOSM, as we

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-04 Thread Dave Swarthout
I always thought the meaning of noexit=yes was very clear. Obviously there is some confusion I was not aware of. If a highway ends with no way to continue, the final node is tagged with noexit=yes. I only use it if I am sure there is no way forward from the end of the particular way. As someone

[Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-03 Thread fly
ATM on the german mailing list noexit=yes is discussed. On user pointed out that on the english wiki page it is defined for nodes and ways where as on the german one it is only valid for nodes. I had a look at the history of the page and found some actions 3 years ago. First it was only defined

[Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-03 Thread fly
ATM on the german mailing list noexit=yes is discussed. On user pointed out that on the english wiki page it is defined for nodes and ways where as on the german one it is only valid for nodes. I had a look at the history of the page and found some actions 3 years ago. First it was only defined

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-03 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:17 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Is noexit=yes useful on ways ? The way has one side that has/is an exit :-) Tagging the whole way as noexit=yes seems strange. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-03 Thread SomeoneElse
fly wrote: Is noexit=yes useful on ways ? Asking a slightly broader question, in what situations is noexit=yes useful at all, except as a cue to subsequent mappers in the very rare situation that one way ends very close to another one and there's absolutely nothing (not a wall, footpath,

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-03 Thread John Packer
in what situations is noexit=yes useful at all, except as a cue to subsequent mappers in the very rare situation that one way ends very close to another one and there's absolutely nothing (not a wall, footpath, anything) between them? It might be useful when there is limited visibility of the

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-03 Thread fly
On 03.04.2014 21:30, John Packer wrote: in what situations is noexit=yes useful at all, except as a cue to subsequent mappers in the very rare situation that one way ends very close to another one and there's absolutely nothing (not a wall, footpath, anything) between them?

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 03/apr/2014 um 21:22 schrieb SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: and there's absolutely nothing (not a wall, footpath, anything) between them? you could still map that as natural=void ;-) Seriously, there will always be something (guard rail, ditch, scrub, grass, fence, gate,

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes on ways ?

2014-04-03 Thread Florian Schäfer
Hello, Am 03.04.2014 21:22, schrieb SomeoneElse: fly wrote: Is noexit=yes useful on ways ? Asking a slightly broader question, in what situations is noexit=yes useful at all, except as a cue to subsequent mappers in the very rare situation that one way ends very close to another one and

[Tagging] noexit

2013-12-03 Thread André Pirard
Hi, noexit http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:noexit=yes, apparently corresponding to this dead end signal, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Belgium#F45 is said to be used at the end of a highway http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway=* to indicate that there no

Re: [Tagging] noexit

2013-12-03 Thread Mike N
On 12/3/2013 8:48 AM, André Pirard wrote: I doubt very much that this tags helps anybody or any quality-check program to understand anything. A note should suffice, and I think the best option would be to remove that confusing tag. It is a signal to quality checking programs such as KeepRight.

Re: [Tagging] noexit

2013-12-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 03/dic/2013 um 14:48 schrieb André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: noexit=yes, apparently corresponding to this dead end signal, is said to be used at the end of a highway=* to indicate that there no possibility to travel further by any transport mode this is a hint for the mapper

Re: [Tagging] noexit

2013-12-03 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 03.12.2013 14:48, schrieb André Pirard: I agree to: This tag is - not necessary for routing - senseless on ways - only useful on nodes (the last one, where no other way is connected) The wiki should be changed, especially the use on ways should be removed. But I do not agree to I

Re: [Tagging] noexit

2013-12-03 Thread Jo
Or possibly somebody changed the meaning of the tag on the wiki, without telling dinosaurs like myself. At first it was a tag that went on ways which are a dead end for cars. It got an icon in JOSM when put on nodes and people started using it on end nodes. Op 3 dec. 2013 15:28 schreef Mike N