Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Refugee Site Location

2020-01-30 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
30 Jan 2020, 10:02 by m_v...@cartong.org: > We would like to propose a very generic tag this time to map the location of > refugee camps. We propose to use the tag  > place=refugee_site > > See the proposal wiki page : > >

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 30. Jan 2020, at 00:22, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Most taxi and pedicab drivers recoginise one or both of these names, > so I have used "name=Jalan Kimbim - Piramid", "alt_name=Jalan Kimbim", > "loc_name=Jalan Piramid". +1, adding all the variants/alternatives is

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Refugee Site Location

2020-01-30 Thread Manon Viou
Dear all, There is not yet a real consensus within the OSM community regarding the way to reference refugee sites in OSM. As a result, tagging is applied inconsistently which makes it quite difficult to find and use this data. In the past years there have

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Rob Savoye wrote: > I was wondering about tagging roads properly. Previously it > was mentioned to use 'ref' for county roads, ie... "ref='CR 12'", > but as the road sign says "County Road 12", I was wondering > about the proper way to tag this. Should 'CR' be expanded in > the 'ref' to

Re: [Tagging] Ski picnic room

2020-01-30 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 10:26, MARLIN LUKE wrote: > Noticed amenity=shelter. I initially thought about combining it with > shelter-type:picnic, but it seems too... "open" for me. Like, not a > complete building. > Shelter seems "open." But so does "picnic." Wikipedia confirms my understanding

Re: [Tagging] Active volcanoes

2020-01-30 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
FWIW, here is a query results map showing all volcanoes (805 of them) in Wikidata that already have the GVP ID:

Re: [Tagging] Ski picnic room

2020-01-30 Thread MARLIN LUKE
Noticed amenity=shelter. I initially thought about combining it with shelter-type:picnic, but it seems too... "open" for me. Like, not a complete building. I'll use this in the meantime ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
>> Are we agreed that something like "Old Route 7" has become a name? > I'd generally suggest tagging that as noname=yes old_ref=US 7 I find that strange. It's no longer a ref. It won't have a "US 7" sign anywhere on it, because it is not part of "US 7". How would a map renderer label this

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?

2020-01-30 Thread Hubert87
Am 29.01.2020 um 21:11 schrieb Hubert87: Just my two cents from germany: In general hw=cycleway  <> hw=path + bicycle=designated; hw=footway<> hw=path + foot=designated; hw=bridleway <> hw=path + horse=designated; For combinded foot and cycle paths: hw=path + bicycle=designated +

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:50 PM Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Honestly, there is, and it's as Paul and I have described - you put the ref > in the ref tag and leave the name tag blank. This is how it has been in OSM > since pretty much day one. If a newbie in Europe puts a ref in the name tag, > it

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:15 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:50 PM Richard Fairhurst > wrote: > > Honestly, there is, and it's as Paul and I have described - you put the > ref > > in the ref tag and leave the name tag blank. This is how it has been in > OSM > > since pretty

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 1/30/20 15:14, Kevin Kenny wrote: > Oh, and a further corner case: Are we agreed that something like "Old > Route 7" has become a name? It's no longer a ref, because Route 7 is > now elsewhere. It appears on street signs like any other name, not on > a reference banner, and it's the

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Warin
old_name=Old Route 7 ... perhaps this should more correctly be old_name=Route 7 If it does not appear on signs but locals refer to it as such then local_name=Old Route 7 And then add 'comment=local name is used verbally, not on signs as yet.' ??? On 31/1/20 9:22 am, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 5:42 PM Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > "Old Route 7" or "Old Highway 7" etc might be used as the actual name of > the remaining street after the highway is realigned to run elsewhere. > I've seen this happen in Texas a lot. Yup. It happens near me, too, and it's the situation

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

2020-01-30 Thread Thibault Molleman
I agree, was pretty confused when I saw that as well (after I had mapped a bunch of regular parkings and then did some bicycle ones) On Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 07:46 John Willis via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle_parking > > It lists

[Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

2020-01-30 Thread John Willis via Tagging
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle_parking It lists “floor” as the value for a wide open outdoor space with no stands or other affordances designated for parking bicycles. this seems weird to me. the ground / asphalt area

Re: [Tagging] Active volcanoes

2020-01-30 Thread John Willis via Tagging
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Andy Townsend wrote: > > the things that we tag in OSM won't necessarily map 1 to 1 onto wikipedia > pages. Generally this is true, but I think most active volcanoes - especially ones OSM mappers would be mapping - have wiki pages.

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:51 AM Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 09:38, Rob Savoye wrote: > > On 1/30/20 2:08 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > > "County Road 12" is a ref. It is not a name. People often refer to roads > > > by > > > their ref. That's fine. I will say "I'm

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:38 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:58 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > > No, no. I'm not proposing addr:street on ways at all, only on things > that actually have an address. What I am saying is that noname=yes should > be a trigger to validators that

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:09 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: >> (1) The `name=*` field gets the road's actual name. If the road's only >> name is 'County Route 12' (New York consistently uses 'Route' rather >> than 'Road' for these), to the extent that `addr:street=*` will show >> that for the name, then

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy and healthcare=hospital

2020-01-30 Thread Jmapb
On 1/29/2020 6:14 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: The healthcare=* tags were formally proposed and voted on 10 years ago. Included in that proposal ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?oldid=1318635 ) was the idea that dual-tagging some features with both amenity=*/healthcare=* would be the

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:58 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > No, no. I'm not proposing addr:street on ways at all, only on things that > actually have an address. What I am saying is that noname=yes should be a > trigger to validators that they can't depend on the way to handle address >

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:09 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:51 AM Jarek Piórkowski > wrote: > > > > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 09:38, Rob Savoye wrote: > > > On 1/30/20 2:08 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > > > "County Road 12" is a ref. It is not a name. People often refer to

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:09 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > addr:street= should be tagged anyway, and that's where you can put your > "County Route 34". Attempting to infer this based off the nearest street > should be a last resort because, at least in the US, it's not uncommon for > what the

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 11:46 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:09 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > > addr:street= should be tagged anyway, and that's where you can put your > "County Route 34". Attempting to infer this based off the nearest street > should be a last resort because,

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 11:20 AM Paul Johnson wrote: >> (1) The `name=*` field gets the road's actual name. If the road's only >> name is 'County Route 12' (New York consistently uses 'Route' rather >> than 'Road' for these), to the extent that `addr:street=*` will show >> that for the name, then

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:49 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:09 AM Kevin Kenny > wrote: > >> (1) The `name=*` field gets the road's actual name. If the road's only > >> name is 'County Route 12' (New York consistently uses 'Route' rather > >> than 'Road' for these), to the

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Kevin Kenny wrote: > I think we can both agree that in practice there is no clear > consensus on what to do in the specific case where a road > has a reference but no other name. Honestly, there is, and it's as Paul and I have described - you put the ref in the ref tag and leave the name tag

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 8:38 AM Rob Savoye wrote: > On 1/30/20 2:08 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > > You asked this back in August and the answers still apply: > > That was as slightly different question about multiple names, and yes, > still applies. > > > "County Road 12" is a ref. It is

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Rob Savoye
On 1/30/20 2:08 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > You asked this back in August and the answers still apply: That was as slightly different question about multiple names, and yes, still applies. > "County Road 12" is a ref. It is not a name. People often refer to roads by > their ref. That's

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 09:38, Rob Savoye wrote: > On 1/30/20 2:08 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > "County Road 12" is a ref. It is not a name. People often refer to roads by > > their ref. That's fine. I will say "I'm taking the A3400 to Stratford" > > I'm wondering if "CR 12" or "County Road