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Our alternatives seem to be a proposing a new tagging scheme (not so
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database. I could only find about Transiki now, which has shut down
long ago.
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However, routing would double count traffic lights
this old proposal in the wiki, but it hasn't been voted yet:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/training
Nonetheless, it does not include a value for cram schools. I've
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training= or should amenity=school be restricted solely to primary
and secondary schools?
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Hello everyone,
Here in Brazil we have
part of the word is
school doesn't necessarily mean that they belong to the same group of
stuff.
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Wouldn't the more generic disused=yes apply to this case? Rendering apps
should support lifecycle tags and render them accordingly (though often
then don't and none would support this anyway).
I'd keep the route relation while the route is still open and somewhat
popular among hikers.
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Wouldn't the more generic disused=yes apply to this case? Rendering apps
should support lifecycle tags and render them accordingly (though often
then don't ...
I think that you've answered your own question already :)
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I know that in Germany and in Argentina roads are being classified
based primarily on administration level (national, regional, city,
etc
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I know that in Germany and in Argentina roads are being classified
based primarily on administration level (national, regional, city,
etc.). Classifying like this probably works well when the entire road
system is well maintained
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it to tell about the importance of the road within the
traffic network and about the number of motor_vehicles using the road.
cheers fly
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Hello fly,
Thank you for your concern. I'm glad we agree that classification is a
hard topic sometimes
Roads = highway=secondary
Hopefully that will explain everything ;-)
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I'm not sure if I should post this question here. If not, please point
me in a better direction.
I was optimizing some boundaries in Antarctica and then realized some
countries had included as part of their country borders their claimed
territories
=* for proper rendering.
We could simply use boundary=administrative for compatibility with
current renderers. boundary=political seems to be used for something
quite different, but we may consider expanding it to include these
territories.
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Michael (user Ohr)
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abyei
[2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=10/9.7267/28.4409
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. To
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data anyway.
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Today, from a practical perspective, a letter to anyone in Abyei would
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Or, disputed territories wouldn't even have an admin_level tag and
would be mapped as regions (which always seemed to me as a generic
fallback for things that do not fit a specific
,
On 26.12.2013 17:59, Fernando Trebien wrote:
So I see 2 reasonably equivalent solutions at the moment that would
affect the roles of boundary relations: dejure and defacto roles
We don't usually map de jure if there is a conflicting de facto,
which would take precedence according to our on the ground
any territory in Antarctica.
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Makes sense. But is this practice (of using dejure and defacto roles)
already being adopted widely
to avoid misunderstandings and to see if they find France's solution
appropriate to their situation.
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On 27.12.2013 02:46, Fernando Trebien wrote:
In principle, if Antarctic territories' status is said to be only
I guess they can be edited then. All I did so far was convert them into
multipolygons and merge any overlapping lines. (I can only do this edit 2
days from now, so if you wish you can go ahead).
In fact, the original polygons extended all the way to 89.999 S,
causing bugs in JOSM. I brought
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normal rendering, but with a dashed outline (casing)?
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get the message and then pass it
along to new users.
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I was thinking of a colour change (like the Humanitarian style does
Ah, happy new years everyone! :D
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Great! I'll surely count on your expertise, Matthijs. I think the guys at
the design list can help us arrive at a good visual style for this. We can
start with our 2 cents
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If nobody disagrees, I'll consider that the tracktype tag is the best
choice
for this decision, and that any value besides grade1 deserves some
marking
meaning it's not in what most people consider good condition.
Personally, I'm
, schrieb Fernando Trebien:
A combined approach makes sense to me. Then people can choose if they want
to use the tracktype tag or continue using just the surface tag (either may
make sense in different communities; I'd guess the German community will
prefer to use tracktype only with highway=track). I
, but with OSM data, it
can. OSRM has everything to allow such fine tuning.]
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Listing 1: way count of paved ways
:
:
Listing 2: way count of unpaved ways
Btw, Matthijs, a Brazilian user (one of the most interested in this
matter) just informed me that Garmin has a PC program called Mapsource
that paints unpaved roads with dashed outlines, just as you suggested.
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will not describe the pretty little road I live on as horrible !
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to see where it all leads.
Regards,
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Welcome, David. If you've just been advised about this discussion, you
may wish to read it from the start:
http://gis
-01-01 at 22:57 -0200, Fernando Trebien wrote:
Welcome, David. If you've just been advised about this discussion, you
may wish to read it from the start:
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Tags-useful-for-rendering-of-roads-in-poor-conditions-td5791303.html
Actually, the particular issue has been
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So, which approach is most convenient for the rendering app?
Definitely it's using the tracktype tag, there's only 1 value to be
ever considered.
i really think we should spend less time
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I like your idea of splitting surface values into paved and unpaved
tags quite a lot, Matthijs. It allows certain values (such as
compacted) to be considered paved or unpaved by different communities,
and it's easy to identify a contradiction (when both tags are
present).
To note, I see the risk
and so on are
tracktype=grade3 or worse
This is the point where we have a look at smoothness=*
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express?
A simple numeric tag tend to increase confusion on when to use which
value, as it's sometimes the case with some of the old tags already.
regards
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Am 03.01.2014 18:19, schrieb Fernando Trebien:
I decided to extend my comparison between tracktype and surface, now
including
.
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I decided to extend my comparison between tracktype and surface, now
including smoothness. I think we may need a new tag to integrate all
surface
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I decided to extend my comparison between tracktype and surface, now
including smoothness. I think we may need a new tag to integrate all
surface quality classification systems (it can well be a simple
numeric tag). See
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Well, when proposing this, I'm trying to avoid these problems:
- the set of paved and the set of unpaved surfaces is not closed, and
so it would require us to continuously update Carto with new surface
types
I'm a bit confused
that graph, and whether you'd feel unsure
on how to assign values to each of these classes (if you read the
description of the similar tags first).
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+1 Smoothness is not necessarily more descriptive than tracktype
rendering styles.
Dominic.
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My bad, I thought Carto was the name of the main Mapnik style. So
I'm referring to openstreetmap-carto.
Well, I was trying to expose my idea that the multiple current
classifications
not sure what I'd do ;-)
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Fernando Trebien wrote on Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:56:15 -0200:
- people don't seem to agree on which tag to recommend overall to
describe surface conditions: tracktype, or smoothness, or simply
surface
the value of the surface tag. This would leave
our current tagging system unchanged.
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This is why I said that a full description that is useful to everyone
would require many more tags than we currently have (about 6
, of course, could be checked for any other kind of way, but
especially for these kinds this check seems important.
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:58 PM, Fernando Trebien
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I mean, maybe the renderer can follow this logic: all untagged ways
are paved (good) by default
to support all of these conditions. For
openstreetmap-carto, it may suffice to add support for all conditions
up to the asterisk (*).
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Fernando Trebien
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Hm there are a few types of vehicle ways
(highway=residential/living_street
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I personally would exclude grade2 as definition for really bad
highway For the rest I agree.
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like bad, very_bad, horrible, very_horrible.
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Perhaps we should consider changing the current values with those
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highway For the rest I agree.
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The main reason I thought of splitting it into a new tag is because serving
styles like buffet and conveyor belt does not necessarily means
all-you-can-eat.
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+1 for pricing_scheme, +1 against the :opening_hours subtag
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I still think that opening_hours as a subtag would be an unnecessary
specialization
the most accurate description
would actually be something along the lines of bare soil (confirmed
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for 3 more specific values: earth, gravel and
compacted (different from loose gravel or soil)
We may add notes to the wiki asking users to choose more specific descriptions.
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In Portuguese, we have the same false
/Proposed_features/bare_rock)
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Murry McEntire
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On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Fernando Trebien
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It seems that:
- if a surface can be grass or paved, asphalt, concrete,
paving_stones, etc., then it seems
drivers get nervous on unmade roads as they develop pot
holes much quicker and the surface can deliver surprises.
So I suggest 'dirt', 'earth' and 'ground' are really not very
informative terms.
David
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So:
- earth is a close
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So:
- earth is a close synonym of soil (though it's not exactly the same
thing)
- ground could refer to: soil/earth (no vegetation), soil/earth +
vegetation (say, grass)
- dirt could refer to: soil/earth
to the layer of other
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Hello everyone,
This is a small issue that came up recently in Brazil. In my
understanding
adding a new bridge/tunnel
with appropriate layer value.
cu
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(say, if you're
covering a large area at once).
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Considering that surface is loosely defined (it can have any value)
and no rules are imposed on it, I believe that ground and dirt
and soil are similar enough to stay only with
earth - but I'm not a native speaker.
I also wonder which names the British would give to each of these surfaces.
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How surprisingly similar the landscape in this area is to the place
where I live in Brazil.
That's really pretty!
Anyway, back to your place. I believe you'd call this a dirt road
leading into a private property:
https://www.google.com/maps
:
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Do you agree that the river can be tagged with layer=-1 as long as
this value is correct in relation to the layer of other
nearby/crossing ways?
I would discourage you to do so. Layer tags
wrote:
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 03:55:39PM -0300, Fernando Trebien wrote:
I don't think you should be required to check the river's layer tag.
Validators should do this job for you, it's quite easy to write a rule
for that.
validators can check for many errors but if you want to change
incorrectly.
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the validator will only prevent the most obvious errors but will give
you no clue how to fix them correctly
I know. But two or three rounds of trial and error with the validator
should be enough to bring
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Alright. I see that applying layer to long ways is bad for several
reasons. Surely this could be turned into a validation warning.
But what's the difference between tagging the bridge with layer=1 and
tagging the river underneath with layer=-1? Some
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tracktype is the degree of compaction of the material
(regardless of material)
I have always more thought of it how much
tried to multiply two factors as he suggests, but I was
not satisfied with the resulting values. Then I tried to take the
minimum of two speed values associated to smoothness and tracktype and
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%3Asmoothnessdiff=1002098oldid=905282
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One question: do you think that an almost flat natural rock path
should be tracktype=grade1 (because it's closer to compacted) or
tracktype=grade5 (because it's not constructed)?
I think this depends how even/smooth
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Replacing 'stiffness'
with something else is absolutely fine with me.
What about firmness? soundness?
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and dirt, or, in wet
weather, mud. Not very durable -- easily eroded.]
Other OSMers have amended this list to include grade6 and even grade7
for tracks passable by 4WD or ATV only. What about those?
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Fernando Trebien
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materials often having a surface of grass and dirt, or, in wet weather, mud.
Not very durable -- easily eroded.]
Other OSMers have amended this list to include grade6 and even grade7 for
tracks passable by 4WD or ATV only. What about those?
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here. Anyone else?
Cheers,
AlaskaDave
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I think that adding the idea of risk of degradation is very
enriching to the article.
Just to test the concept: if tracktype means durability/endurance more
than
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, and in Scandinavia.
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The Russian winter roads situation is not unique. From what I have read,
the same situation applies in some parts of Canada and Alaska.
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But at least now I know I need to review my values more
pessimistically. (Which is what I wanted after all.)
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grade5? In the wiki: Almost always an unpaved track lacking hard
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