Re: [Tagging] iD semi automatic adding public_transport to aerialway=station

2020-04-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
=platform instead of aerialway=station! (That's crazy): https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Aaerialway%3Dstation&type=revision&diff=1529291&oldid=1412174 -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/10/20, Gegorian Hauser via Tagging wrote: > > Hi, > > Is it possible, t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - protection_class=* (Words, not numeric codes)

2020-04-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> Currently there are two ways to tag a conservation area: > boundary=national_park > or > boundary=protected_area + protect_class=1 to 7 There is also a third tag: leisure=nature_reserve, which is even more common, and traditionally has been used for natural conservation areas which are not Natio

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - protection_class=* (Words, not numeric codes)

2020-04-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
me, is it the name of the hedge or the name of the school? A human can easily pick the right answer, but computers are not so good at this. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/6/20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Mo., 6. Apr. 2020 um 14:00 Uhr schrieb Kevin Kenny < > kevin.b.ke...@gmail.c

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - protection_class=* (Words, not numeric codes)

2020-04-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
protected_area_categories -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/6/20, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 6:37 AM Andrew Davidson wrote: >> >> On 6/4/20 9:23 am, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> > The only thing that the proposal page still needs is a couple more >> > det

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - protection_class=* (Words, not numeric codes)

2020-04-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Andrew, would you please repeat this analysis with all features tagged "protect_class=2" which have a wikidata tag? I suspect that many of those will not match according to Wikidata. On 4/6/20, Andrew Davidson wrote: > On 6/4/20 9:23 am, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> The

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Refugee Site Location

2020-04-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
we still proposed > the secondary tags refugee_site:XX=XX (for instance > refugee_site:status=formal)? Yes. > Do we also have to add “refugee_site=yes” or it’s not necessary? No, if the tag is "amenity=refugee_site", there is no need to add it. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/6/20, Mano

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - protection_class=* (Words, not numeric codes)

2020-04-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
. -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Urgent Care

2020-04-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
c and amenity=doctors and amenity=dentist, but what other pages will be affected? Can someone confirm if "urgent_care" makes sense in British English, rather than "walk-in" or something else? -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/6/20, Ty Stockman wrote: > https://wiki.openstreetma

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-04-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ed to avoid confusion and more precisely tag these features. The value "motorcycle_taxi" is not a very common term in British (or American) English, but that's because these features are not found in Europe or North America. I would like to bring this to a vote soon. -- Joseph Eisenb

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - protection_class=* (Words, not numeric codes)

2020-04-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ss=", like "protection_class=recreation" instead of "21" -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Refugee Site Location

2020-04-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
t; refugee_site:population = 500,000 > refugee_site:structure=shelters/tents/multifunctional/mixed > refugee_site:status=formal/informal > > > > Best regards, > > Stuart > > > > > On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 02:48, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > >> Thank you for being

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Refugee Site Location

2020-04-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
site, which includes non-residential features, as landuse=residential only. On 4/4/20, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Thank you for being willing to work on this and listen to suggestions > from the community. > > I agree that, under the current, very broad definition of > "amenity=s

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Refugee Site Location

2020-04-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
reference would be for amenity=refugee_site, to fit with amenity=social_facility and similar area features. The key "amenity" is used for a very wide variety of features, and it's the best option for an area feature that does not fit into a more specific category.) -- Joseph Eisenberg

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
(See http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Sjp) -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/3/20, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 21:16, Marc M. wrote: > >> the first page does not show any sign suggesting that >> it is also a pedestrian area >> imho "It could be" is not eno

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Unifying playground equipment tagging)

2020-03-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ap playgrounds and their equipment in situations where a playground just has one equipment and this equipment fills up the whole area of the playground. Mappers can tag "leisure=playground" + "playground=structure" on the same node or area in this case, right? -- Joseph Eisenb

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-27 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ong as they are sort of part of the same logical larger place." In that case use a place=neighbourhood node, since this is a named part of a larger settlement, aka "a neighbo(u)rhood" -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/28/20, Clifford Snow wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 5:23 PM Paul Al

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Overhead lines management (consecutive to line_attachment)

2020-03-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
that tower:type=crossing (where a power line crosses a river or canyon) should be replaced by height=* + designe=* where "A support is significantly higher and stronger to allow a line to cross an obstacle like rivers" Are you proposing any new values of "design=*" for this, or

Re: [Tagging] What language is the name tag value? Was: Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

2020-03-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
going to > decide that the “duplicates” are undesirable and remove them. And, if > followed there are fairly common cases where it still is not possible to > determine the language. > > 2. Create a scheme where a default language can be set on boundaries as has > been suggested b

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

2020-03-25 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
reetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Default_Language_Format Unfortunately that was not approved. It's a confusing topic, many of the people who opposed the proposal seemed to think it would do something else. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/26/20, Tod Fitch wrote: > > >> On Mar 25, 2020,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Refugee Site Location

2020-03-25 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ng that does not conflict with place=village/town. Also, is there already an Import page set up by CartONG for the proposal to import this info from the UNHCR database? -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/25/20, Manon Viou wrote: > Hello, > > The proposed feature place=refugee_site to provide

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

2020-03-25 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
alse by local mappers. If an Indonesian mapper adds name:id=* tags to every village in northern Finland, how is anyone to confirm that they are right or wrong? -- Joseph EIsenberg On 3/25/20, Jyri-Petteri Paloposki wrote: > On 25.3.2020 12.58, Christoph Hormann wrote: >> In terms of ou

Re: [Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> ...the centre of Paris in a Nolliplan: http://www.iad > bs.de/site/assets/files/1954/schwarzplan.jpg > All the areas where the streets widen significantly at junctions with other > streets are likely squares (you can’t see the smaller ones in this scale). > The surrounding buildings will ofte

Re: [Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
a few trees (landuse=meadow). Mappers always have to make decisions on border cases, and usually the decision will come down to "what is most of the area covered with?" -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/24/20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 23. Mar 20

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
flowers, shrubs, gardens, water features, etc, else it's a park or garden. That's whey the prior definition is inadequate: it is non-orthagonal, it can include many types of features, and is impossible to translate into different cultures. -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Martin, What would you proposed as the description= (in the Infobox) for place=square? What changes do you propose to the current text of the page to improve the definition? -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/24/20, Greg Troxel wrote: > Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > >> Am Mo., 23. März 2

Re: [Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
place=square. If it doesn't have to be hardscaped (whether paved or just packed soil), should it at least lack tall vegetation which blocks views and movement? Perhaps a flat area with mostly short grass can still be a square, but certainly not if it is mostly covered by trees, s

Re: [Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

2020-03-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alun-alun_Tugu_-_Bunder_-_panoramio.jpg C) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Square_Trenggalek_-_Alun-Alun_Trenggalek_-_panoramio_(10).jpg -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/23/20, António Madeira wrote: > When you say description, are you referring to th

Re: [Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

2020-03-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
highway=footway + area=yes), or the tag was correct >> indeed and the name has been forgotten. >> >> Query for unnamed square in a bounding box: >> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/ROw >> >> I also suggest to update wiki descriptions of place=* tags, upgrading >

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
;a town square", because I need to be able to translate it into Indonesia, for people who have never seen a European town square. I suspect that Japanese and Korean will have the same problem, along with many other non-European languages. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/23/20, Paul Allen wrote: > O

Re: [Tagging] Clearer definition of tunnel=flooded: when should it be used instead of tunnel=yes or tunnel=culvert?

2020-03-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
would be tunnel=yes, whether or not there is a side-path. (This is the problem with proposals that introduce several new tags all at once. I would have been better to discuss tunnel=flooded separately, so that this problem would not have occured.) -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/23/20, Warin <61sundow...

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
e may be not much area for people to stand or walk, or it will be divided into 4 or more small pieces. Rather junction=yes seems perfect for this, with the only problem being that it is very popular in Asia but not very common in Europe. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/22/20, Paul Allen wrote: > On Sun

[Tagging] Clearer definition of tunnel=flooded: when should it be used instead of tunnel=yes or tunnel=culvert?

2020-03-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ccessible in operation or man_made=pipeline for sections built with tube assemblies." Key:waterway says: "A long (> 100 m) tunnel where flowing water or other fluid prevent humans from safely walking inside despite its appropriate diameter or size. Water inside can be

Re: [Tagging] Shelter for bats in an old building

2020-03-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ort". Is that a requirement for using the tag? -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/21/20, althio wrote: > On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 12:24, Andrew Harvey > wrote: > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix >> >> disused:building=service >> > > This, and: &g

Re: [Tagging] Shelter for bats in an old building

2020-03-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
building=service On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 5:24 PM Andrew Harvey wrote: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix > > disused:building=service > > On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 19:13, s8evq wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> How would you tag a small building that used to be an electricity >> b

Re: [Tagging] General Tags for unmapped cities

2020-03-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ed_house, building=house, building=dormitory, and so on. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/21/20, Guillermo Ariel Silva Lopez wrote: > Hi Joseph, the mappers will survey the buildings with mapillary imagery > that we upload for them, these buildings are already mapped in the > Openstreetmap Da

Re: [Tagging] General Tags for unmapped cities

2020-03-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
o see "How we map" - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_We_Map And "how to map landuse" which includes a relatively complete list of tags related to how lands and buildings are used: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Landuse I hope your project is successful! -- Joseph E

Re: [Tagging] Addresses with PO Box, and other delivery type addresses.

2020-03-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ic feature. But I would caution against adding this to private house features, due to privacy laws in some countries. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/21/20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 21/3/20 9:00 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, 2

[Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
d be junction=yes (for a named street intersection or road junction) or leisure=park or place=neighborhood. Also check if there are highway=pedestrian areas with a name=* which could better have the name added to a new place=square node instead. -- Joseph Eisenberg _

Re: [Tagging] Addresses with PO Box, and other delivery type addresses.

2020-03-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
“32 Tennant Creek” won’t work? As mentioned, addr:full could work On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:48 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 19/3/20 1:57 pm, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > there don't appear to be any way to enter addresses that use Post Office Boxes >

Re: [Tagging] Addresses with PO Box, and other delivery type addresses.

2020-03-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
deposite outgoing letters: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpost_box Is anything else missing, which can't be mapped with these tags or with Key:addr:* ? If none of the common values of addr:* will work, you can use addr:full=* https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/addr%3Aful

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Pumps (wells and many other things)

2020-03-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
don't seem to have anything to do with windmills and watermills? What about the exiting tags man_made=windpump, man_made=windmill, man_made=watermill? Are you proposing to deprecate these common tags? (also in the examples "actuator=manual" is mentioned, but it isn't in the list)

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Pumps (wells and many other things)

2020-03-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
t available. This option allows to avoid pump:type=* as well." -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/19/20, François Lacombe wrote: > Hi all, > > Following several discussions last month, including this one: > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2020-February/051385.html > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting – Refugee site location

2020-03-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Voting on the proposal for place=refugee_site ends today or tomorrow, depending on your time zone. Current vote is 11 oppose, 27 approve - currently below the percentage needed to be approved but close. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/12/20, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Voting is still open a few m

Re: [Tagging] landuse meadow getting the right description emphases

2020-03-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ants-inhabit-adirondack-ice-meadows.html On 3/17/20, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:46 AM Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: >> >> In American English, especially in the west, the word “meadow” is used for >> areas in the high mountains which grow grasses, sedges, annua

Re: [Tagging] Add man_made=goods_conveyor to Map Features or vote on the proposal first?

2020-03-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I've opened an issue at JOSM to add a preset. Could someone check if there is one in iD, and if not, open an issue to add man_made=goods_conveyor at https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pulls please? - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/15/20, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > It’s been added to the

Re: [Tagging] landuse meadow getting the right description emphases

2020-03-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
, and applied it to mountain grasslands? I agree that alpine “meadows” should be tagged natural=grassland, but don’t be surprised to find some mapped as “landuse=meadow” in the mountains of California and Colorado. - Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 2:20 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.

Re: [Tagging] landuse meadow getting the right description emphases

2020-03-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
(Source: I used to work "bucking hay", lifting hay bales onto the truck, during high school) On 3/15/20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 15/3/20 4:36 pm, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> Unfortunately, a slight change to the description on the wiki will not >> st

Re: [Tagging] landuse meadow getting the right description emphases

2020-03-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ver, other herbaceous plants) is just as important as the presence of grazing or occasional hay-cutting, to define a meadow or pasture. - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/15/20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > The present description of landuse=meadow is; > > An area of meadow or pa

Re: [Tagging] Add man_made=goods_conveyor to Map Features or vote on the proposal first?

2020-03-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
It’s been added to the lists at Key:man_made and Map Features. On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 5:31 AM John Willis via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > +1 > > Javbw > > > On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > I am in favor of adding it right away. > > ___

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ic line. Otherwise the length of this "platform" way would be arbitrary: why not include the whole block? -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/12/20, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 at 22:22, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: >> > I am thinking of cases like streetside stops fo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting – Refugee site location

2020-03-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
wn or place=village." You cannot tag the same Openstreetmap database object with both place=town and place=refugee_site - you would have to create 2 separate nodes. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/3/20, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I do not believe the concerns and questions at the talk page have been

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ould not be good to map this on lines where different vehicles can vary in length or door configuration, or if the operators do not stop the vehicle in a certain place each time) - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/12/20, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 at 08:12, Jo wrote: >> That st

Re: [Tagging] Add man_made=goods_conveyor to Map Features or vote on the proposal first?

2020-03-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
o objection to rendering this! I don't have any rendering ideas for this feature in the Openstreetmap Carto map style, but if someone wants to work on it, see issue 1999: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1999 - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/12/20, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Wed

[Tagging] Add man_made=goods_conveyor to Map Features or vote on the proposal first?

2020-03-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
p.org/tags/?key=man_made&value=goods_conveyor#map But it's not on the Key:man_made page or Map Features. Is there enough usage to just add it to those pages, or should the proposal be voted on first? Old proposal page from 2015: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_feat

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> if we have to keep highway=bus_stop anyway, then one could also say that > it's not needed to add public_transport=platform to such nodes anymore. Yes, that's right. It doesn't make sense to add 2 tags or 3 tags when 1 will do. On 3/11/20, Jo wrote: >> >> >> But if the originally, more commo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
the originally, more common tag highway=bus_stop is already used, there is no need to add bus=yes. - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/11/20, Peter Elderson wrote: > I get the impression that consensus and general adoption will not be > reached during my lifetime. > > Good luck with it, I'm

Re: [Tagging] Proposal drinking_water:refill:fee

2020-03-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
he documentation. But perhaps "drinking_water:fee=yes" could be proposed as an alternative, for places that only sell water. - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/10/20, European Water Project wrote: > Hi Jake, > > > i strongly prefer paying 75 centimes for a ecologically sustainable

Re: [Tagging] camp_pitch : an area inside a site : also in a park ?

2020-03-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> These "parks" often have identical characteristics to these tourism=*_site : they sometimes have a common reception desk for different camp_pitch, toilets, a drinking water point, ... Many places in the USA are tagged leisure=park when they really ought to be boundary=protected area, or divided

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
hould not make changes lightly. But this should not prevent us from making a change which would make things easier for mappers and might better represent reality. Greater ease of mapping is a strong reason to consider changes to editor applications. - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/8/20, Paul Allen wr

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - survey_point:benchmark

2020-03-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ld this tag be used along with "man_made=survey_point?" only? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dsurvey_point - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/8/20, Anne-Karoline Distel wrote: > Hi, > > I've been surveying benchmarks for the past four months and I would like > to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
more success to focus on adding this simpler and easier option, rather than removing other, more complicated options. - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/8/20, John Doe wrote: > > > 08-Mar-2020 03:56:45 Joseph Eisenberg : > >> >> > routes without fixed stops can easily be repr

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
attempt to call anything "deprecated" or force anyone to use the new mapping style. It would be enough to say that "adding all the bus stops or platforms and all the highway or rail ways to the relation is not necessary, one or the other is enough", and for database users to

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=fountain

2020-03-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
the wiki. This may send you an email notification, or you can check: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Watchlist - and turn off email notifications. I've reverted the revert. :-) - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/7/20, Alessandro Sarretta wrote: > Hi Stuart, > > On 07/03/2

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
proposal has good ideas which might be considered: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Refined_Public_Transport - Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 8:23 AM Peter Elderson wrote: > So, what about the idea to store the route in a separate route relation, > then add i

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - name:Zsye

2020-03-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Talk page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/name:Zsye Especially the sections "Why?" (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/name:Zsye#Why.3F) and the two following concerns about the language code and wikidata. - Joseph Eisenberg

Re: [Tagging] Crosses and how to tag them

2020-03-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
, so any cross which has some historic value. So if the crosses which you want to map are "always religious and most of the time historic", probably this tag is more appropriate for most of them, certainly for all 3 examples which you linked above. - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/5/20, Antó

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting – Refugee site location

2020-03-02 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
t. For these reasons, the current version of the proposal should not be approved. I suggest improving the definition of the tags and making it very clear which new tags are being approved by the proposal. - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/2/20, Manon Viou wrote: > Dear all, > > The proposed featur

Re: [Tagging] RFC amenity=student_accommodation

2020-02-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
renderer, we try to represent reality as best we can. Land that is used for student dorms or apartments is not objectively different than any other residential area, except for the age of the residents, whether or not it is operated by a University -- Joseph Eisenberg On 2/29/20, Mateusz Koniec

Re: [Tagging] Public refrigerators

2020-02-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> amenity=social_facility Most amenity=social_facility features are large "facilities" like a homeless shelter or nursing home or hospice. I don't think that tag is appropriate for a refrigerator. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 2/29/20, Jmapb wrote: > On 2/26/2020 4:32 PM, Mart

Re: [Tagging] Mapping pumps

2020-02-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aman_made%3Dpumping_station - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/29/20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 29/2/20 9:51 am, François Lacombe wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> One simple question : according to you, what is the most suitable key >> t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-02-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ear ways which are not areas: for example, rivers, roads, paths, fences, etc. -Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Sorting waterway relations?

2020-02-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
be put into one line, it does generally put the arrows pointing down (the upstream way is first, downstream last). - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/27/20, Andrew Davidson wrote: > On Thu, 27 Feb 2020, 13:48 Joseph Eisenberg, > wrote: > >> When you make or sort a relation of type=waterwa

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-02-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
py the text from: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:drinking_water&action=edit Then edit it to match your new proposal. - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/26/20, European Water Project wrote: > Hello, > > Since no one has manifested an objection (still not too late), I am going >

[Tagging] Sorting waterway relations?

2020-02-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
waterway) should be last. This practice has not been followed in the areas where I have mapped. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Relation:waterway#Sort_order.3F Is this done in your area? - Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] man_made=gas_well Was man_made=petroleum_well vs man_made=pumping_rig

2020-02-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
but feel free to create a new tag for the special details of water circulation in geothermal plants if you are interested. - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/27/20, François Lacombe wrote: > Hi > > Le jeu. 27 févr. 2020 à 00:23, Joseph Eisenberg > > a écrit : > >> Different tags are

Re: [Tagging] man_made=gas_well Was man_made=petroleum_well vs man_made=pumping_rig

2020-02-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
oleum_well is a natural gas or crude oil well, but many (most?) petroleum wells produce both oil and gas. - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/27/20, François Lacombe wrote: > Le mer. 26 févr. 2020 à 22:06, Martin Koppenhoefer > a écrit : > >> >> these aren’t independent concepts, a

Re: [Tagging] man_made=petroleum_well vs man_made=pumping_rig

2020-02-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
.org/wiki/Wellhead and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Completion_(oil_and_gas_wells) Do you know if all "pumping rigs" are similar in appearance to a pumpjack, or are there others that look quite different? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpjack - I've seen many of these in California

[Tagging] man_made=petroleum_well vs man_made=pumping_rig

2020-02-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
be on ground or water" But petroleum_well says just: "An oil well is a boring in the Earth that is designed to bring petroleum oil or gas to the surface." I believe not all petrolum wells have a pumping rig? Can someone confirm that these tags are different?

Re: [Tagging] Clarify explicit abstention when voting on a proposal

2020-02-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
; (when including only yes/no votes, without abstain comments)" Does anyone else want to add their comments or votes there? This seems to be a rough consensus now. - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/14/20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Fr., 14. Feb. 2020 um 10:43 Uhr schrieb European Water Project &

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The tag tourism=attraction is poorly defined, but it is mainly used for permanent features, places that are year-round (or at least summer/winter season) attractions. I think it would be better to use a more specific tag for an annual event which lasts for days or weeks only. If it is an annual m

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
e in a hurry. (Hopefully it won't rain). In remote areas, where there are no public buses, it is possible to hire an ojek for a 10 or 20 kilometer ride up to a village. Sometimes the road is more of a path, only passable by 2-wheeled vehicles, so a t

Re: [Tagging] key:drinking_water for OSM ways

2020-02-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
water is not readily observable, and that drinking_water=yes is generally used for features that provide drinking water, rather than merely containing it, as stated on the wiki page for that tag. - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/21/20, European Water Project wrote: > And maybe it shouldn't be map

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> and what kind of vehicles you can find there. > That could looks like this: > amenity=taxi > taxi:motorcycle=yes > taxi:car=yes > taxi:tricycle=yes > ... > > (or other more British words ;) > > > Le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 à 08:50, Joseph Eisenberg > > a écrit : > &

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Oh, here in Indonesia you can find motorcycle taxis (ojek) everywhere, including in all the towns where bicycle rickshaws / pedicabs operate. For example, all of the markets in my town have a pangkalan ojek (motorcycle taxi stand) and a separate pangkalan becak (pedicab stand), usually near the ma

Re: [Tagging] decide on a meaning for what is not documented [way: Expressway=yes/no versus new tags "dual_carriageway=yes/no", "limited_access=", "grade_separated"=?]

2020-02-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
also, expressway=* is used differently in some States, as mentioned on the wiki page: sometimes it is about limited access, other times it's about grade separation. - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/20/20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Do., 20. Feb. 2020 um 13:07 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg <

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
orth America (except for the tourist pedicabs as mentioned), which makes it harder to pick a good tag value which will work everywhere. Are you aware of any alternative phrase or word which would be clearer? - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/20/20, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > As a person from the Philipp

Re: [Tagging] Expressway=yes/no versus new tags "dual_carriageway=yes/no", "limited_access=", "grade_separated"=?

2020-02-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
tead. If a highway=trunk is not defined as an expressway in a particular country (e.g. in Britain, Spain, Indonesia, Australia...), there is a benefit to having some other tag or tags that express how the road is constructed. On 2/20/20, Volker Schmidt wrote: > On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 at 01:41, Jo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
, since those are much more efficient. I will consider proposing the other 2 tags later, but motorcyle taxis are by far the most common. I would bet there are more "ojek" stands in Indonesia than taxi stands in all of Europe. - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/20/20, marc marc wrote: > Le 20.

Re: [Tagging] decide on a meaning for what is not documented [way: Expressway=yes/no versus new tags "dual_carriageway=yes/no", "limited_access=", "grade_separated"=?]

2020-02-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
. If people are interested in using it, I might make a proposal. But perhaps we will decided that database users should interpret the geometry and name=/ref= tags of parallel highway ways to add this information in post-processing. Does anyone know if that is feasible? On 2/20/20, marc marc wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> use amenity=taxi with motorcycle=yes, motorcar=no for motorbike based taxi > stands. That combination has only been used 145 times, in spite of being including in the Phillipines tagging guidelines and previously on Tag:amenity=taxi: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/QTu There are more places with na

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ng highway=bus_stop for taxis by arguing that they are both publically available forms of passenger transportation, even though a bus runs on a fixed schedule and route and carries many different people, while a taxi is hired privately and goes directly to your destination. - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/20/

Re: [Tagging] Landfills timespan

2020-02-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
merely disused, and is still visibly a landfill from survey (or good aerial imagery) and might be reopened again, you can still tag it as landuse=landfill + disused=yes, since it is still visibly a landfill. This would be more verifiable) - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/20/20, Jez Nicholson wrote: >&g

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
While some have proposed using amenity=taxi plus additional tags for motorcycle taxi stands, this is quite confusing for travelers who generally expect a "taxi" to be 4-wheeled motorcar capable of carrying 4 people and luggage. So a different tag is propos

Re: [Tagging] Expressway=yes/no versus new tags "dual_carriageway=yes/no", "limited_access=", "grade_separated"=?

2020-02-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I've created a page for Key:dual_carriageway based on existing usage in the database: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:dual_carriageway On 2/20/20, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I updated the Key:expressway page to have a global focus, rather than > being United-States-specific

[Tagging] Expressway=yes/no versus new tags "dual_carriageway=yes/no", "limited_access=", "grade_separated"=?

2020-02-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
uot; without a tag like "dual_carriageway=yes", especially if there the name= and ref= are not identical for each direction. - Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
that mean "donation of objects with value". Also, the phrase "donation of goods" in English is easier to understand, since it does not require interpreting an unusual use of the noun "kind", which usually means "class, sort, variety or type of something" in modern English, except in the phrase "in kind". - Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
oridinary British person would talk about donating some used books or toys, right? Joseph Eisenberg On 2/19/20, Philip Barnes wrote: > Hi Joseph > In British English the phrase has the same meaning as you describe. > > The most common usage is in taxation terms when an emplo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
", "second_hand_donation=", "donation=second_hand_goods" or something with one of those other common words for objects. But perhaps the key should include the type of things, since mostly people will say "donate used clothes", "donate used books" or

Re: [Tagging] (Un)removable Bollards

2020-02-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
for a special event or construction project. -Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Horse yards / corrals

2020-02-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
enstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:landuse%3Danimal_keeping - this tag could be better defined. - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/17/20, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > What do we call fenced off yards that are used to hold horses (or other > stock, for that matter) temporarily? > > This was one that

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