2010/9/27 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:
On 27/09/2010 13:51, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
I agree that this is the same problem. It isn't a good reason to keep
bridge=abandoned IMHO. You could workaround with railway=abandoned,
abandoned=tram, but for bridge the wiki states: bridge=type
2010/9/25 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com:
For some reason, kerosin hasn't been able to post to the mailing list so I'm
sending this out.
We received great input over email and on the talk page for the social
facility proposal so we decided to open it for voting:
2010/9/27 Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org:
Hello all:
I've created a proposal (or pre-proposal) in
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:shop#shop.3Dwedding
to tag these kinds of bussiness.
I would like to get comments to it in order to have it approved (or denied) in
a
2010/9/27 Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com:
There was indeed some discussion on the italian mailing list, where
they felt the need to distinguish between italian style gelateria
and other kinds of ice cream sellers
and not only...
this would give a space for regional variants
2010/9/27 Lennard l...@xs4all.nl:
On 27-9-2010 16:25, Noel David Torres Taño wrote:
What about abandoned=yes ?
And expect every data consumer to have to parse that in addition to whatever
bridge=* value you leave on the data. What's not there anymore is just that:
not there anymore. It
2010/9/27 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com:
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
Fast food is simply a style of serving: you go up to the counter and
order. It has nothing to do with the cuisine.
The Italians probably don't like to
2010/9/27 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Alessandro Rubini
rubini-l...@gnudd.com wrote:
But the main point of fast-food is fast-meal, and actually people have
lunch in a fast food. But you don't go to a coffee or gelateria to
have lunch, that's the
2010/9/27 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
It seems to me that landuse is a mess.
+1
landuse=agricultural would include values like farm and vineyard
does this include farmyards, or would they be residential or
industrial? What if they also sell to end customers?
2010/9/27 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:
http://www.23hq.com/dieterdreist/photo/6058662
That's clearly not a bridge I wouldn't even bother tagging it.
well, it once was a bridge. I wouldn't tag it as bridge either.
Where as clearly this is even though no traffic passes over it:
2010/9/27 Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org:
I expressely said in the proposal at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:shop that it is not for clothings,
yes, I understood this, but it was not what I expected. And many other
people might not read the definition prior to using
2010/9/27 David Paleino da...@debian.org:
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:08:56 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
a restaurant produces the food (prepares it from raw or semi-worked
material).
Then it's clearly craft=restaurant! :-D
that's not the worst interpretation IMHO. It is much more craft
2010/9/27 kerosin kerosin@googlemail.com:
Hey Martin,
I would tag this as with amenity=community_centre! Our aim with that
social_facility-proposal is to capture facilities for people with
disadvantages or people in needs. The amenity you're describing is more
general and responsive to
I happened to stumble over
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcommunity_centre
The definition restricts usage with this sentence The Community
Centre is owned and provided by the local government.
The linked wikipedia article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_centre doesn't for
2010/9/28 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com:
I took a stab at a definition and updated the wiki; let me know what you
think
A social facility is any place that focuses on improving the lives of others.
that's very generic, while it is true it might still not be very
helpful for a mapper who
2010/9/28 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
But only add what is actually visibly there now. Not what was there fifty
years ago.
What was there 50 years ago is useful, and removing it would be
vandalism. You can argue
2010/9/28 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com:
Ok. I'm seeing the trend here: succinctness.
yes, maybe it's my personal preference, but I'd always go for the
shorter version, if the content is the same..
Or is your point that
assisted living is a confusing term?
no, not at all. You are
2010/9/28 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com:
office=wedding_planner sounds fine to me.
+1
I'm actually going to need one of
those pretty soon ;-)
congrats!
cheers,
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2010/9/28 Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com:
Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com wrote:
agreed. there should be no restriction on who owns/provides the service.
Yes but then we must provide operator=*
yes, we should encourage the use of operator, which might not be the
same as proprietor
2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com:
intersections [1]. It is just a road that happens to be circular in
shape, with semaphores or stops along it.
who get's the right of way, when the traffic lights turn off (say due
to a technical problem)? The traffic in the circle or the one
2010/9/28 André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com:
According to this I found an already exsiting tag in the wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:clothes
with clothes=wedding
the page is from August 17th, I don't remember any notice here on
tagging or on talk (or talk:de) and I see the
2010/9/28 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com:
sounds good, no objections.
OK, as this is IMHO no real change, I put it in the wiki.
Now I realized something else:
according to the German ML for tagging certain objects 3 tags are useful:
name, operator, brand
e.g. a petrol station:
name would be
2010/9/28 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com:
I know the voting has started and changes to the proposal are off-limits,
but I was considering the addition of animals to the social_facility:for
subtag:
{{tag|social_facility:for|animals}}
for me it's fine, but there is also a dedicated animal
2010/9/28 Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org:
How to tag those? operator is the bank or the network?
I'd say operator is the bank.
cheers,
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2010/9/29 Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org:
Bussiness that sell bride dresses only
They sell, so it's shop.
I think shop=bride_dresses
ok for shop, not to bride_dresses: it's too specific IMHO. You could
invent a subtag to express it, the main tag could be clothes or
2010/9/29 Simon Biber simonbi...@yahoo.com.au:
Bussiness that sell decorative wedding stuff (decorations, bouquets, chair
covers) but no dresses
shop=boutique
boutique=wedding
what about shop=wedding_supplies?
I feel that boutique is misleading for foreigners, as it intents in
many
2010/9/29 Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net:
At 2010-09-28 11:43, Sean Horgan wrote:
Hotels are similar to petrol stations in that many are independently owned
and operated but rely heavily on the brand for marketing. Â Coffee shops, Â
fastfood restaurants and any other
2010/9/29 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:13 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
There is also no wikipage yet for Key:brand (if I didn't overlook it).
Can we try to make up a text and put it?
How is it now?
Thanks for starting
2010/9/30 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com:
Here it's unusual to see the name of a gas station. On the receipt,
you would see the legal name of the owner, such as Aico Uno s.r.l.
(s.r.l. is the Italian equivalente of LLC, more or less). On gas
stations, though, you would only see the
2010/9/29 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
Your text says: The brand is a larger entity that a place advertises
itself as part of.
This is IMHO not correct. Take automotive. A car seller doesn't
advertise himself to be part of say Ford. He simply sells Ford cars
(in accordance with
2010/10/3 Ralf Kleineisel r...@kleineisel.de:
would be much, much better than nothing. Right now when I make a
routable map for a Garmin GPS I can set the road_class and road_speed
only by looking at the Highway=* tag. This can lead to strange speed
estimates. I think a simple typical speed
2010/10/4 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
According to the wiki, landuse=greenfield Describes land scheduled
for new development where there have been no buildings before. Does
this mean that any undeveloped land owned by a developer or zoned as
planned development is a greenfield?
I
2010/10/4 Woll Newall w...@2-islands.com:
'time to destination' totally incorrect, the route chosen is often wrong as
well, because choosing a slightly different route would make journey times
much quicker.
but only if not all of the drivers are using OSM i.E. the same shortcuts...
cheers,
2010/10/5 Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com:
Hi,
Nearly a year that the the page
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/heritage has been
started.
I'm not shure that it has been announced on this list.
They are allready some uses on the excellent tool :
2010/10/5 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com:
I want to say that header files and lists of field names are not
covered by copyright in general.
we could fight over textual descriptions, but the list of tages and
basic information is not seen as a copyright-able
2010/10/5 Jason Cunningham jamicu...@googlemail.com:
Planning Permission is often not acted upon,
and we should be mapping 'whats on the ground' or a status that affecting
the land (eg Nature Reserve). Planning Permission is doesn't impact the land
unless acted upon, in which case the land
2010/10/6 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
2010/10/5 Jason Cunningham jamicu...@googlemail.com:
Planning Permission is often not acted upon,
and we should be mapping 'whats on the ground' or a status that affecting
the land (eg Nature Reserve). Planning Permission is doesn't impact
I know we already talked about this, but actually no actions followed ;-)
What is the current feeling for a new key landcover? Could resolve
many issues, as often landuse is a mixture of actual use and
coverage.
Seems like there is already landcover=tree in the database:
2010/10/7 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com
wrote:
Not everything in a national forest is covered by trees, yet the
standard way of tagging one is landuse=forest on an area.
Actually forest should IMHO be used for
2010/10/7 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de:
I'd forgotten about that--good point. Although surface as currently
used seems to be mainly in the context of roads.
There's nothing to limit it to roads - it describes the surface of a
feature. For example, the natural=beach wiki page recommends
2010/10/8 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
still it isn't at all a forest.
It is a forest - a clearing within a forest.
There is no point in tagging it as a forest. I know that you can
generalize it like this. It's the same point as with a lake inside a
forest. Is the lake part of the
2010/10/8 André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com:
I like the values from last email discussion:don't
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/038774.html
some are fine, some are not (cave_entrance, beach, cave, coastline, basin, ...)
let's not mix functions with landcover. How
2010/10/10 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com:
Hello everyone!
The original deadline for voting on the social facility proposal has just
passed. The page can be found here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/social_facility
We received 4 approvals (2 of those from the
I found that leisure=swimming_pool is used almost 8000 times in the
planet (according to taginfo).
There is an old proposal:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Swimming_pool
but nobody ever cared to put it on the main feature list. I'd say we
can do it. (Btw.: it used to be a
2010/10/11 David Paleino da...@debian.org:
Can't you edit this page?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features:leisure
Yes, I proceeeded. Thank you. Still: editing the wiki doesn't get easier...
cheers,
Martin
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Am 12. Oktober 2010 13:20 schrieb Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de:
I guess it is just an mistake and the situation is a little bit heated up by
some undocumented adds during the past months.
+1
There is no further doc needed beside a backlink to the vote (my suggestion)
usually a feature
Am 12. Oktober 2010 17:31 schrieb Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de:
We identified the problem on the german mailinglist:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=9586
What about closing the forum and redirecting them to the mailing-list
archive? There is always complaints in the forum,
2010/10/12 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote:
layer is just saying what is on the top when two objects/lines are
crossing each other. If you have only one element, the layer tag is really
optionnal (this until someone is
what about removing highway=byway from the mapfeatures? It is used
less then 2000 times (which is very little for highway), and it is
UK-only, so IMHO no reason at all to be listed on the main features
page, could be moved to mapfeatures UK.
cheers,
Martin
2010/10/17 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
I wonder if it's worth the trouble and effort to maintain US-HISTORIC
routes, since their use is primarily recreational and are frequently
inconsistent in their continued
2010/10/17 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com:
be shortened. But it seems that the question about hyphen vs.
underscore is not resolved?
IMHO it should be drive-through and not drive_through, as the
latter is the OSM-form of drive through and AFAIK here it is one
term in English and not two.
shops should be tagged with shop=shop category, which refers to the
kind of stuff sold, also in cases like supermarket or convenience,
which are less obvious then e.g. shop=electronics.
shop=kiosk breaks this rule, as it doesn't refer to the sold products
but to the building typology.
Therefore
2010/10/18 Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org:
On Lunes 18 Octubre 2010 04:08:13 Richard Welty escribió:
On 10/17/10 11:00 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
So, are you saying that a shop that was located in a kiosk building, but
sold merchandise other than cigarettes, newspapers,
2010/10/18 SURLY_ru p...@isnet.ru:
I agree too to the actual shop=kiosk system, since it refers to what is
actually sold at certain places
a little shop selling cigarettes, newspapers, sweets, snacks and beverages
I strongly disagree.
shop=kiosk is a very strange kind of tag. It says all
2010/10/17 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com:
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:37 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/10/17 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com:
This
http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22drive+through%22%2C+%22drive-through%22
suggests the popular form
2010/10/17 Frank Weber fr...@atlantisgoose.com:
I came across a zoo where within the area of tourism=zoo the individual
vivariums are tagged as leisure=park,name=[species] (e.g. elephants,
penguins). Looking at other zoos I saw them tagged as zoo=compound,name=
[species].
If no, I
neither
2010/10/18 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com:
Am 18.10.2010 15:04, schrieb j...@jfeldredge.com:
However, a shop, located in a kiosk, that is selling cigarettes,
newspapers, sweets, snacks and beverages is not selling kiosks, so labeling
it with shop=kiosk breaks the label according to
2010/10/19 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com:
Use building=kiosk for a kiosk like building.
+1
Use shop=kiosk for a shop that sells kiosk like stuff.
my point was that there is no kiosk like stuff
If something else is sold, use shop=florist, shop=xy ...
something else then what?
2010/10/18 Rodolphe Quiedeville rodol...@quiedeville.org:
Le 18/10/2010 09:31, Rodolphe Quiedeville a écrit :
I started rename amenity=fire_hydrant to emergency=fire_hydrant as it is
describe in the wiki. I checked there's no rendering in mapnik styles
and t...@h.
[...]
I forgot to say that
2010/10/19 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com:
Am 19.10.2010 01:23, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer:
my point was that there is no kiosk like stuff
There's a list of stuff potentially sold in a kiosk (at least here in
germany).
I know, and from a German perspective it's easier to follow you
2010/10/19 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
Some of these qualify for highway=proposed. But if there are no
current plans to build them, would it be a good idea to map them as
(for example) highway=paper name=*?
usually they are mapped
highway=proposed
proposed=primary/motorway/etc,
2010/10/19 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Andrew S. J. Sawyer
It doesn't feel right to call something a highway=* if it isn't usable
for travel. If it is usable for travel, then it should be tagged
highway=track/path/etc as appropriate.
is this referring to
2010/10/19 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
Neither of those is quite correct. A paper street is an unoccupied
right-of-way that is recognized by the local government in the same
way as it recognizes the right-of-way of a public street.
that's why I would map them. But I still don't see
2010/10/20 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com:
Aren't admin_level and place getting at slightly different things?
admin_level is to mark official political/legal boundaries. place is to
mark a...well...place that has a name, and the
place=city|town|village|hamlet does not necessarily
2010/10/20 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com:
place=locality if it's not got a single small standalone area
locality is to be used for uninhabited places according to the wiki.
The is also place=isolated_dwelling for singular settlements (just one
house/maximum 2 households)
2010/10/20 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com:
Townships are units of govt that are subdivisions of County, typically
square, population and urban form varies (to save you the trouble of
reading the wiki article he suggested you read if you don't know what
they are).
Then it
2010/10/20 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com:
Functional (subjective) tagging versus tagging to a set standard (objective)
is one underlying reason why US highway tagging is so inconsistent--
I can't follow you here. Functional classification of inhabited places
(settlements) doesn't
2010/10/20 Peter Budny pet...@gatech.edu:
2. Defining how important a city is (and thus, how big its label on
the map should be) is a tricky thing to do. Population is certainly a
large factor, but how do you define this? The City of Atlanta is the
#33 most populous city in the US, with
2010/10/20 Peter Budny pet...@gatech.edu:
1) whether this matrix influences what place level the city
gets (or maybe these are all large enough cities, so this point
doesn't matter)
I think that if this dominance scheme (or something like it) were used,
place= would become irrelevant except
2010/10/20 Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net:
Is there some reason it would need to be repeated over and over for every
country?
I recognize the idea of American exceptionalism, but come on!
actually this never worked well, and in Germany and Italy people are
not following these definitions
2010/10/20 Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net:
The definitions are well-established.
but they are not reflected in the (international/main part of) the
wiki for key=place.
I don't know if the British do tag strictly according to the place
description, but I know that Italians and Germans don't.
2010/10/20 Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net:
IMO that just means that rendering needs to be based purely and directly on
population numbers, or we need some higher numbers (1 000 000 =
metropolis[1] 10 000 000 = megacity[2]? ) It might be useful to use a
relation to group separate legal-cities
2010/10/20 Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net:
On 10/20/2010 01:24 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
The definitions are well-established.
but they are not reflected in the (international/main part of) the
wiki for key=place.
Oh? Every language version of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki
2010/10/20 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com:
Dieter Driest may have heard a garbled description of urban renewal, a
now-largely-discredited urban-planning technique where large areas of
substandard housing were torn down and replaced by government-built public
housing, what the British
2010/10/20 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com:
Detroit has had some notable riots, particularly during the civil-rights
struggle of the 1960s, but the economic collapse began a generation later.
and now look when the demolishions were planned and executed.
cheers,
Martin
2010/10/21 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com:
The definition of such a tag/key that is so common the database (3+%
according to taginfo: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/amenity), needs
more than a single line definition.
Why? The shorter the definition, the better. The definitions should
It's now almost 3 years that I'm mapping and when I entered small
informal (not planned or built) footpaths I was using cryptic tag
combinations like highway=footway, informal=yes, width=0.3 (or
highway=path), surface=ground. While that is not impossible, it is
still somehow strange. Why shouldn't
The wiki states the name is a suitable tag for atm. I disagree
because I don't know named atms. Do you? I am also proposing the use
of the network-tag (or maybe brand?) e.g. cash_group Sparkasse,
Volks- und Raiffeisenbank (all german networks for atms). I this is
undisputed, I'd change the wiki.
2010/10/22 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
that should be added, perhaps scenic=yes or tourism=scenic_route?
I'd either create a route-tag or use tourism=scenic_route. scenic=yes
doesn't feel good IMHO.
cheers,
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2010/10/22 Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm:
Yes, trail is an even more ambiguous word than path. It can refer to
just about anything that isn't a paved road. So it might be a forest track,
or a hiking path, or a mountain bike trail etc. And it might be an official,
signposted route or it
2010/10/22 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com:
please no new highway, path/footway is already a very controversial tag.
Yes, and it could become a little clearer when there is different tags
for a 3 m wide and paved path and a 0.3 m wide and unpaved and
unmaintained path. We have x road
2010/10/22 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
On 23 October 2010 02:34, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, thank you for this comment. So I'd propose highway=informal or
highway=informal_path
If you are so determined to make a new type, at least do it as a sub-type
2010/10/22 SURLY_ru p...@isnet.ru:
highway=path is indeed what would currently be used for informal
footpaths. But it can also be used to describe intentionally built, well
maintained and paved ways.
Intentionally built way, too narrow for 4-wheel vehicles, is
highway=footway. Unintentional,
2010/10/22 Mike N. nice...@att.net:
I would still say that the current highway=path handles this very well.
I've never felt constrained by this tag with the common attributes. You
can provide direction to renderers by adding surface=, width=, sac_scale,
mtb:scale . If current renderers do
2010/10/22 Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org:
On Viernes 22 Octubre 2010 17:58:04 Peter Budny escribió:
What is wrong with the operator=* or brand=* tags?
+1 to both
name=* to me would equate to the name that appears on my bank statement,
like Student Center Post Office ATM or
2010/10/22 Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net:
On 10/22/2010 12:09 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Well, beside this little detail, that some paths are formal (they are
intended, sign posted, maintained, have maybe names, etc.) and others
are informal, usually shortcuts, usually not very long
2010/10/22 Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net:
On 10/22/2010 02:18 PM, Ralf Kleineisel wrote:
On 10/22/2010 06:42 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Yes, and it could become a little clearer when there is different tags
for a 3 m wide and paved path and a 0.3 m wide and unpaved and
unmaintained
2010/10/22 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:
On 22/10/2010 17:27, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Primary tags shouldbe used to describe what it is, not whom it *might* be
used by.
For example: art galleries museums are used by many other people than
those on a holiday.
Yes, I agree, tourism
2010/10/22 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
Perhaps tourism should be folded into leisure? (That's not always
correct for hotels anyway, but is better.)
-1, hotel and the other accomodations --- if we change at all --- fit
well there, or might merit a new main tag accomodation.
cheers,
2010/10/22 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au:
On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 19:06 +0200, Claudius wrote:
Am 22.10.2010 18:28, David Murn:
One way I heard it described, is an amenity is something youre likely to
want to navigate to. While that description is a bit vague, it seems to
fit most
2010/10/22 j...@jfeldredge.com:
In the USA, an A(M is usually a member of multiple networks, sometimes ten or
more, and will usually have decals on the front of the machine identifying
which networks it is a member of. You can use the machine if your bank is a
member of any of those
2010/10/23 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:
On 23/10/2010 11:52, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
It does suit well for the accomodations
though (as tourism is not only defined for leisure but also for
business and other travellers).
Not sure if something got lost in translation, but tourism
2010/10/23 Pieren pier...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Ralf Kleineisel r...@kleineisel.de wrote:
And we don't need a new tag for trails.
+1. At least one point where almost everybody agrees ;-)
OK, I aknowledge this, IMHO sad, because it puts the granularity in
all other
2010/10/25 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de:
You already get very different tagging advice depending on whether you
ask on, say, tagging, talk-de, the forum, or the wiki. So I question
whether it's wise to create another mostly isolated group of people who
will start to breed their own,
2010/10/25 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com:
For example, what would you tag this?
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8hq=hnear=Vercelli,+Piedmont,+Italyll=45.314604,8.414012spn=0.001633,0.004128t=hz=19layer=ccbll=45.314594,8.413845panoid=VAMbvxwaZiigA_JUOfHBkwcbp=12,348.5,,0,31.53
I guess
2010/10/25 Felix Hartmann extremecar...@gmail.com:
There is no such thing as informal.
maybe you should rename your username from extremecarver to
extremeopinionist ;-)
Of course there are informal ways/paths. Not every informal looking
path is indeed informal, but that doesn't imply that there
2010/10/25 Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net:
I would consider those to be informal=yes, were I to use this tag.
you _are_ to use this tag, go ahead ;-)
cheers,
Martin
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2010/10/26 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
On 26 October 2010 07:53, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote:
I would consider those to be informal=yes, were I to use this tag.
As Felix pointed out, that doesn't add anything useful to describe the
current state of the path, only how it
What about putting stop signs beside the way at their actual position?
This would indicate the direction automatically (dependent if the
traffic is right or left-sided) and is error prone to direction
changes of the way. Any potential router could evaluate those in
preprocessing while building the
analysis.
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:20 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
What about putting stop signs beside the way at their actual position?
This would indicate the direction automatically (dependent if the
traffic is right or left-sided) and is error prone to direction
2010/10/26 sylvain letuffe li...@letuffe.org:
Some people advocate this should be a tagged as
highway=path+via_ferrata_scale=something, I don't.
I agree, that would harm more then help.
But the informal path this thread is about, unless I haven't been able to
understand what it really
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