Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking (redux)

2011-03-18 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/18 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: since i wasn't the only one wondering on how to map individual parking spaces, i took the chance to write my first proposal. it's ready for comments and can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking While I agree that

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalks vs Footways

2011-03-18 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/18 j...@jfeldredge.com: What I was visualizing was not so much real-time traffic mapping, but rather that certain roads are almost guaranteed to be uncrossable on foot at certain times of day, such as at rush hour.  If you are trying to cross them at times when the traffic is light,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking (redux)

2011-03-18 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/18 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: i think you misread the proposal. you don't tag any capacity tags on a single parking space. and all common properties can also be defined in the relation, IMHO no need for a relation, as the amenity=parking around it already gives you this information. You

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking (redux)

2011-03-18 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/18 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 13:27, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/18 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: i don't agree with that, because only the physical areas where, for example a car, can park is a parking space/area, but not for example

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking (redux)

2011-03-18 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/18 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: ok, i see what you mean now. use amenity=parking for the whole facility, and the new tags for defining the elements inside. +1 that only works without a relation as long as you only have one logical parking lot that's not split up in different areas. but

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking (redux)

2011-03-19 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/18 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: just relying on a surrounding amenity=parking area without a relation also has another flaw: underground parking. basically nobody maps underground parking facilities as areas with layer=-1. all of those i have seen so far in OSM are mapped as nodes at the

Re: [Tagging] border mapping

2011-03-19 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/19 geowas geo...@gmx.de: What is the best/recommended/suitable way to map border watch towers (used by border police/soldiers) you could use man_made=tower and look for a suitable tower:type. There is observation http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tower:type=observation but the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalk

2011-03-21 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/21 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: As per the discussion last week about Sidewalks, I'm re-opening the sidewalk proposal as per: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sidewalk basically your are suggesting cycleway=track for sidewalks. This works up to some extend,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalk

2011-03-21 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/21 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de: He said, they prefer the sidewalk:left|right:*-tagging scheme at the street's ways. When I asked how they would like to model crossings - like I asked here, too - he did not have an answer. yes, and even if you mapped them perfectly jsut

Re: [Tagging] propose/help to rename a key -

2011-03-21 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
sorry for joining late into this discussion. By looking again at the proposal I think that besides the re-naming of protect_id to protect_class we could also think about other issues. If you look at 97 and 98: protected by continental agreements. They often cover sites already protected by

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalk

2011-03-21 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/21 David Paleino da...@debian.org: I agree with Serge: you would change the meaning of highway=footway (because to interpret it right after your amendment, you would have to look at the footway-key as well). Why? Sidewalks are just a particular case of highway=footway. A router that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalk

2011-03-22 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/21 David Paleino da...@debian.org: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:12:55 +0100, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/3/21 David Paleino da...@debian.org: I agree with Serge: you would change the meaning of highway=footway (because to interpret it right after your amendment, you would have

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalk

2011-03-22 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/22 Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com: I would not support this proposal to the *exclusion* of mapping separate ways.  Rather, I would support this proposal as the simplest way to add sidewalk data with the understanding that if a mapper wishes to add further detail to the sidewalks that they

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalk

2011-03-22 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/21 David Paleino da...@debian.org: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:04:38 -0400, Serge Wroclawski wrote: [..] and I feel David wants something else entirely and is suffering from a bit of NIH syndrome, [..] While I thought at the proposal entirely (almost, credits also go to #osm-it folks) on my

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalk

2011-03-22 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/22 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com: Martin, On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:32 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/21 David Paleino da...@debian.org: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:12:55 +0100, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/3/21 David Paleino da...@debian.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalks as separate ways

2011-03-25 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/25 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: David Paleino wrote: Potlatch 2 _already_ has excellent relation support. However: My proposal doesn't use anything special to be implemented in editors. That's not the point. Well, somehow it is. He has suggested to use the associatedStreet

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalks as separate ways

2011-03-25 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/25 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com: I agree, it is confusing. I've used the separate way method quite extensively in a suburban (subdivision) area. Perhaps I could create some illustrations, though since I'm not much of an artist it will probably be just screenshots. In the meantime you can

Re: [Tagging] Nuclear Key

2011-03-27 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/27 Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com: Following recent international events, i start study nuclear site on OSM. Nuclear power plant seems presents and use       power=generator        power_source=nuclear        power_rating=2000 MW but according to wiki, this was obsolete and

Re: [Tagging] Nuclear Key

2011-03-27 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/27 Gleb Smirnoff gleb...@glebius.int.ru: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 12:01:28PM +0100, Andrew Ainsworth wrote: A Listing the type of reactor (PWR for example) seems like a reasonable idea A but we shouldn't get into tagging safety features such as core catcher. A There is a virtually

Re: [Tagging] Nuclear Key

2011-03-27 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/28 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:04 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/27 Gleb Smirnoff gleb...@glebius.int.ru: We are making map, not encyclopedia. no, we are creating a geo database. Someone needs to update the site's name and its

Re: [Tagging] Nuclear Key

2011-03-27 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/28 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Someone needs to update the site's name and its introductory material (e.g. OpenStreetMap is a free editable map of the whole world) maybe someone already did, I read in the front page, first sentence: Welcome to OpenStreetMap OpenStreetMap creates and

Re: [Tagging] landuse:illegal and illegal:yes/no

2011-03-29 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/29 Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com: shouldn't care about specific parts of it, unless they're separate objects (which I guess never being the case, at least I've never observed a crop created by a dozen polygons describing corn, wheat and marijuana separately :-)). In fact they should.

[Tagging] new Draft on detailed bike shops

2011-03-29 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
Federico Cozzi has made a draft for detailed bicycle shop mapping. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/shop:bicycle Please comment in the propopal's talk page. I am announcing here because he is not signed up to tagging. cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] landuse:illegal and illegal:yes/no

2011-03-29 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/29 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net: On 3/29/11 8:09 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2 In fact they should. I mean not necessarily for different plants, but for different adjacent crops. Mapping single crops is enhancing the map with detail about the topological layout of an area

Re: [Tagging] landuse:illegal and illegal:yes/no

2011-03-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/30 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 3/30/2011 9:20 AM, Pieren wrote: Perhaps on this particular proposal, we have some cultural misunderstanding . In many countries, you have illegal buildings, illegal garbage dumps, illegal access restrictions, etc. Even when they are convicted

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/31 Lennard l...@xs4all.nl If the direction of the way is drawn in the same flow of the water, it should always be drawn with an arrow. What if it's drawn the other way? mapping error. What if a coastline is drawn the other way? Rendering the flow of waterways in mapnik would help

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/1 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com On 4/1/2011 9:53 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: flow of waterways in mapnik would help to fix those errors, because more people would become aware. mapping error. What if a coastline is drawn the other way? Rendering the Still doesn't deal

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/1 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com On 4/1/2011 10:38 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Yes of course. I set FIXME=please check flow direction if I am unsure (usually you can deduct the flow direction but there is rare cases where it is not possible). With manmade channels it's far

Re: [Tagging] Any support for a flow tag?

2011-04-01 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/1 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com On 4/1/2011 11:24 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: like an overfall). if I get this right (sounds No, it's the same canal, with water flowing the other direction. This is the S-58 structure: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?node=944499871

Re: [Tagging] New proposal: water=*

2011-04-01 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/1 Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:35:37 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: what natural=water on an area means. Is this area a lake, a pond? We have no means to determine that now. could you expand what a pond is? I get several

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Directional Flow

2011-04-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/2 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com There are lots of tags that are direction dependant: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Way_Direction_Dependent It does seem like josm handles many of those in a good way, not all by far though. there is also highway=steps which I

Re: [Tagging] landuse: illegal and illegal:yes/no

2011-04-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/2 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com Tracktype is verifiable against a visual scale: http://wiki.openstreetmcan't givap.org/wiki/Tracktypehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tracktype but as it depends much on the climate and surface material / vegatation / ground it still has to be

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Directional Flow

2011-04-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/3 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com There you can use incline=* to be explicit. Yes, I know, but when I started mapping back in 2/2008 there was no incline proposal, and later I found it sufficient to keep the implicit information. Nobody used to draw plans would draw steps

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Announcement: Add-tags a tool to connect OpenStreetMap Wikipedia

2011-04-09 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/9 Kolossos tim.al...@s2002.tu-chemnitz.de: Hello, there is a new tool to bring more Wikipedia-Tags inside OSM-database and connect so both projects more and more. It can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/RemoteControl/Add-tags Tim, this is great news!

Re: [Tagging] etymology of street names

2011-04-09 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/8 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: Good idea, but not with etymology as the name. This is not the etymology; that would be the philological origins of the word. +1 Here we are talking about a description of the person the place is named after, and especially the reason why

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking (redux)

2011-04-10 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/10 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: since there haven't been any new comments over the last couple of days i would like to start the voting for the proposal next weekend. here's the link again in case you haven't read it yet: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking I am

Re: [Tagging] types of surveillance cameras

2011-04-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/11 Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org: Maybe it could also be interesting to describe where the camera is mounted (pole / wall / etc.). Recently I found this strange camera in Heidelberg on top of the roof of the church mounted _up_wards (I guess it could be a webcam / weathercam for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking (redux)

2011-04-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/11 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 01:15, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure if it is a good idea to put all these new tags into the amenity namespace. Amenities are general features (e.g. mapnik tries to render all of them

[Tagging] access forbidden for tourist busses

2011-04-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
Recently I found this sign which I interpret as access forbidden to touristic busses: http://www.23hq.com/dieterdreist/photo/6610385 It is at a driveway to the local cemetery, near a very popular monument (unesco world heritage). Do we have to invent another access tag, or is there already

Re: [Tagging] access forbidden for tourist busses

2011-04-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/12 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: My first idea was tourist_bus=no Why not use access:*=* ? Usually we tag foot=no instead of access:foot=no, and I don't see why I should change this standard here. My question was: which key is used for tourist busses. I couldn't find them on

Re: [Tagging] access forbidden for tourist busses

2011-04-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/12 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Why not use access:*=* ? Usually we tag foot=no instead of access:foot=no, and I don't see why I should change this standard here. There is a lot of access:*=* for vehicles, so you would be going against things. Where? I can't find them:

Re: [Tagging] access forbidden for tourist busses

2011-04-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/12 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 12 April 2011 20:36, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Where? I can't find them: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dbdouble Wikipage modified 13 times, in the database 0 (zero) occurrences ;-) http

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

2011-04-14 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/14 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: neighbourhood sounds pretty similar to locality - a couple of examples on the place=locality page could count (e.g. Seacroft in Leeds, if it's considered too small to be a suburb). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Locality Whoever wrote

Re: [Tagging] Traffic Lights, but only for one direction on a highway that isn't divided

2011-04-14 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/14 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: lanes=2, oneway=yes it's the same as for cars. Otherwise it would be lanes=2, oneway=no Is lanes=* overall number of lanes (in which the example where there's two bicycle lanes would be a total of four lanes) or is it lanes open to all traffic

[Tagging] steel worker and smaller concrete structures on site

2011-04-15 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
Hi, some questions from a non-native (to the British, US, AU and other natives): 1. What is a steel worker? Is it someone who works in a steel mill http://growthexpertblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/SteelWorkerGentex_l1.jpg or is it someone who builds structural steel work (aka the men

Re: [Tagging] steel worker and smaller concrete structures on site

2011-04-15 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/15 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com: I feel so confused... of course you aren't talking about mapping people ?? Let's say I am tagging people offering services. I am less interested in the man working in the steel mill, I am interested in the word for constructing supporting/structural

Re: [Tagging] steel worker and smaller concrete structures on site

2011-04-15 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/15 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: I think Josh's joke does get to a serious answer to your question: I don't think you should use the word that describes the worker, but the word that describes the work.  However, I see that in the craft=* space (is this where you're heading

Re: [Tagging] steel worker and smaller concrete structures on site

2011-04-15 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/15 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de: On the other hand we in Germany - probably in the German speaking countries in general (but I'm not sure) do not consequently distinguish between making cuffins and making furniture - although there are words for either historic meaning -

[Tagging] RFC key shop:bicycle

2011-04-17 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
I am announcing an RFC on behalf of Federico Cozzi for the key shop:bicycle: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/shop:bicycle cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Nuclear Key

2011-04-18 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/17 Andreas Hubel a...@saerdnaer.de: the plant site is a way with        • barrier: fence        • name: Kernkraftwerk Gundremmingen        • power: generator        • power_source: nuclear Additional there would be a ton of additional options by using relations ;-) I suggest not to

Re: [Tagging] difference between cycletrack and cycleway

2011-04-18 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/18 Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com: On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with this tagging method is that the tag highway=cycleway is now used for two completely different features. A cycle track next to a road is something

Re: [Tagging] difference between cycletrack and cycleway

2011-04-18 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/18 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: to complete the picture: you can also use highway=path bicycle=designated (some are even using official) instead of highway=cycleway. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] difference between cycletrack and cycleway

2011-04-18 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/18 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 4/18/2011 10:25 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: It has different implications in some jurisdictions. E.g. in Germany or Italy you have to use a cycleway if it goes along a road, you can't use the road by bike any more, unless the cycleway

Re: [Tagging] difference between cycletrack and cycleway

2011-04-18 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/18 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 4/18/2011 1:22 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/4/18 Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: In that case, where one legally has to use the sidepath, the main roadway should be tagged bicycle=no or bicycle=local. no. It is an implication

Re: [Tagging] difference between cycletrack and cycleway

2011-04-18 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/18 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com: A router should detect the highway=cycleway parallel to the road and make use of it (probably easier said than done). Yes, I guess this is impossible. You might be able to get a good guess, but you would need a 3D highly detailed map to be sure in all

Re: [Tagging] difference between cycletrack and cycleway

2011-04-20 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/19 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: It has different implications in some jurisdictions. E.g. in Germany or Italy you have to use a cycleway if it goes along a road, you can't use the road by bike any more, unless the cycleway is blocked, or for other reasons in unusable conditions or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - daycare

2011-04-21 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/21 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: created a proposal for amenity=daycare: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/daycare I agree that this is a feature we want to have, but I don't think there should be rendering suggestions in the feature description, and I can't agree that

Re: [Tagging] Transportation center that serves both buses and trains?

2011-04-22 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/22 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: Using both railway=station and amenity=bus_station gives two labels in Mapnik. I reported this as a bug but apparently it's not fixable: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3478 What should be done? are the busses using the rails and the trains

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - automated tasks

2011-04-24 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/24 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: i have started a proposal for simple automated tasks. i will leave it in the RFC state until someone, who knows how to create a bot, can provide a prototype for a small imited bbox, so we can see if this one is actually doable (performance and security wise).

Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values

2011-04-25 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/25 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au:  The signs I saw applied to trucks and buses though, more than just hgv/goods.  As Tobias said, your suggestion is suitable, Id add the suggestion of maxspeed:bus also. bus in OSM is defined as a bus performing public transport service [1]. I

Re: [Tagging] branch=* tag to specify the particular branch of a chain of stores/amenities

2011-04-27 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/27 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 4/27/2011 1:27 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Hi all, What do guys think of using branch=* to specify the particular branch or outlet of a chain of stores/amenities? I think the standard is brand=*. yes, this is also used for gas

Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...

2011-04-28 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/28 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: That doesnt detract from the original question, of what to map a site of historic significance. historic=event and event=event-class? or historic:event=yes/event-class ? the ever useful, never descriptive tourism=attraction could also be used.

Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...

2011-04-28 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/28 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: phase maps. For example, I've mapped memorial sites related to battles of the Italian Risorgimento, but not the place where the battles themselves took place. Also, I've mapped many plates dedicated to kings, soldiers and patriots, because

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/29 Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de: It appears that people have been using car as a key for this purpose.   Should I use that, and add an appropriate entry below motorcar=*? -1 IMHO motorcar should be defined as automobile/car, and not be used as a generic term including busses, hgv,

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/30 Sebastian Hohmann m...@s-hohmann.de: Am 30.04.2011 12:10, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: motorcar is supposed to represent the class of Zeichen 251 (shows a car from the front), which forbids all double-tracked motor vehicles (which includes hgv and buses etc). this is how I see

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/30 Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de: And if you feel you need more classifications, here's a Wikipedia article on the EU classification: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/EG-Fahrzeugklasse (seems there's no English version) There is no English version of this, and it seems to deal only with

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-05-01 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/1 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: On Sun, 2011-05-01 at 02:10 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: If I was towing a caravan, I wouldnt set my navigation device to think Im in a car or a motorbike, Id most probably use hgv. this thread is not about hacking your system so that it does

Re: [Tagging] Formerly proposed highways

2011-05-02 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/1 Andrew Cleveland evil.salt...@gmail.com: Can the highway=proposed tag apply to highways which were proposed but are no longer? no, IMHO highway=proposed doesn't apply. This would not be a proposed (planned) highway but a formerly proposed highway. If you want to put them into OSM

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-02 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/2 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: To stop a beginning of edit war (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Map_Features:historicaction=history), I would like try something new and ask your feedback about the tag history=event wiki page. This tag is the result of a former

[Tagging] [VOTING] service:bicycle

2011-05-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
I announce on behalf of Federico Cozzi that voting is open for service:bicycle http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/service:bicycle cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails

2011-05-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/4 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Am 04.05.2011 10:31, schrieb Richard Mann: We just had a discussion on talk-de and the german community about this issue. The problem with footway/cycleway is that they mix access and highway. Well, this is valid for lots of highway types (implicit

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Even if historic=event is removed from the wiki, and even if historic=battlefield is removed I doubt it will stop people mapping these locations, they are important to people, and people have already shown that there are physical places that can

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com: Unless you are in New Zealand, you're unlikely to tag the same thing: It's being used for a Maori fortress, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81_%28M%C4%81ori%29 IMHO the tag is not very well chosen. Besides that I agree with John Smith

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: 2011/5/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Aren't we nitpicking? I've tagged remains of Roman cities whose physical presence is arguable, but nonetheless those are places of historical interest in that a Roman building or forum was there.

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:26 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Note that the OP is about historic=event, not battlefield. The edit war started because  JohnSmith documented what you, Martin, suggested in a previous thread although

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Car access tag

2011-05-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de: I've completed the draft and would like to solicit your comments: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Car_access_tag The proposal introduces a new tag car=* that applies to just cars, and clarifies the meaning of the motorcar=* tag,

[Tagging] RFC advertising

2011-05-07 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
There is a new draft how to tag advertising objects. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/advertising Are there any comments on this? What should be added/changed? According to tagwatch, some of the proposed values are already in use:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - childcare

2011-05-09 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/8 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: no further comments over the last 1 1/2 weeks, so i'll start the voting phase: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/childcare sorry for writing late, I think there are some problems. E.g. age. if you tagged a feature with amenity=childcare

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - childcare

2011-05-09 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/9 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: I  notice the suggested rendering is similar to schools.  Don't know about other areas, but in the US, many childcare centers are run out of private homes, so that rendering might seem a little strange.  Maybe in that case a node is a better

Re: [Tagging] Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - childcare

2011-05-10 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/10 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: Further, i too consider the social facility tags to negative. Besides that, i couldn't see a social_facility=* value that would fit. the or=child part references to an target audience, which would correspond more to the age tag of my proposal and not the

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com: It's been about a month now, and I've gotten some feedback from the talk page. My thoughts are that we either: * reuse the existing place=suburb (as the wiki definition seems like it might work) * use the new place=neighbourhood yes, you can use suburb

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: Of course there can also be parallel hierarchies, like police force areas and their districts and subdistricts, or postal systems with major towns, distribution points and individual postcodes (in the UK these frequently span national borders!).

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: There's a problem if this is treated like landuse. it is not landuse, so there is no problem. There is still space for landuse=highway. The highway landuse goes up to the edge of the right-of-way, and includes sidewalks and and clear zones,

Re: [Tagging] Requirements for proposals and voting to be valid

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru: I've reverted his edits of the proposal page, but is he right? Is any proposal with incorrect subject line in tagging@ post (let along those which weren't mentioned here) automatically invalid? Well, it is an established convention to send an email to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: The proposal makes reference to landuse, in particular stating that one might cut off adjacent landuses at its border. But the two positions on landuse are that it shouldn't be cut or that it should be cut at the right-of-way line, not at the edge

Re: [Tagging] Requirements for proposals and voting to be valid

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
Actually there is a problem here: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/water#values water is already in wide use, but most of the values in use are not part of the proposal. Maybe some amendmend or changing of the key name (e.g. water:type seems to be what the proposal wants to achieve:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Flaimo wrote: In the example image, lanes (in this case: sidewalks) of the road that are mapped as separate ways also have their own areas. Currently, I tend to instead support one area for the entire road, containing the central highway ways and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - voting - childcare

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/childcare#Voting I don't see why there should be service_hours:childcare. Can't we reuse service_times? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:service_times cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 j...@jfeldredge.com: Part of the problem is that neighborhoods, unlike official administrative units, or even Home Owner Associations, don't necessarily have agreed-upon boundaries.  Different people may consider the same location to be in different neighborhoods. then it's a

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com: Can we begin discussion of this? A place_level that allows for unincorporated areas, neighborhoods, and the like. I am not sure that we need a place_level. Such a key would only make sense if there was a clear hierarchy. Place structures can be different

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - voting - childcare

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: i changed the main key to service_times, but i kept the subkey. otherwise it would be problematic in case someone want to tag the office hours separately. IMHO the key service_times refers to the feature, which is children daycare in this case. There is no

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 j...@jfeldredge.com: Also, sidewalks are not always directly next to the driving lanes.  There are sometimes grassy borders between the driving lanes and the sidewalk.   Typically, this is a meter or so, but can be wider.  On one street here in Nashville, Tennessee, USA, the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - childcare

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com: I personally like when OSM definitions are linked to other references, especially a well-known source like wikipedia. at least then link to a specific version of an article. From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/social+service: social service n.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: What do we do with dual-carriage ways ? Sometimes there exist paved connections between both directions. Maybe blocked by a barrier but that is no need. if they are constantly connected (no change of the paving, no physical barrier) it's actually not

Re: [Tagging] website=*url* vs. contact:website=*url*

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: when was the topic of webcams ever mentioned? they are part of the contact-proposal. I mentioned them to point out, that even if everyone followed this proposal and added contact: to some of the tags, this wouldn't improve overall consistency. contact

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-13 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/13 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: OK, but there's still the issue of a so-called flush median. I think in a rural area with few intersections this would be called a dual carriageway. I can't find an image, but Interstate 90 used to have one over Lookout Pass in Idaho. You can

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-13 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/13 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 5/13/2011 6:47 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: An emergency vehicle could also cross a grass median if there's no raised barrier. yes, and a person can jump over a 2ft wall and climb a 8ft wall. A series of bollards is no barrier to bicycles

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addr keys (2011-04)

2011-05-16 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/14 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: any other comments on that proposal? otherwise i'll start the voting phase: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/addr_keys_%282011-04%29 Yes. You are currently concentrating on the micro level, but there could be a suggestion for the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging split exit ramps

2011-05-16 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
isn't this information a router could gain from the data simply by looking where the ramp leads to? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistences fishmonger vs. seafood

2011-05-16 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/16 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: I agree.  I think seafood is a more generic proposal than 'fishmonger' which may not be understood as widely. I recall this vivid discussion where in the end it was agreed on shop=seafood (with myself not beeing extremely happy about it, because

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