Re: [Tagging] decide on a meaning for what is not documented [way: Expressway=yes/no versus new tags "dual_carriageway=yes/no", "limited_access=", "grade_separated"=?]

2020-02-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 20. Feb. 2020 um 13:47 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > Often it looks similar to the current highway=trunk rendering at in > the German map style used at openstreetmap.de - and I believe > "highway=trunk" is always for dual-carriageway "expressways" there. > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 20. Feb. 2020 um 13:21 Uhr schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar < sea...@gmail.com>: > The only difference is one is human-powered while the other is > engine-powered. > IMHO, if we distinguish automobile taxis from motorcycle taxis, we should also distinguish both from human powered vehicles. Th

Re: [Tagging] decide on a meaning for what is not documented [way: Expressway=yes/no versus new tags "dual_carriageway=yes/no", "limited_access=", "grade_separated"=?]

2020-02-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 20. Feb. 2020 um 13:07 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > > If people are interested in using it, I might make a proposal. But > perhaps we will decided that database users should interpret the > geometry and name=/ref= tags of parallel highway ways to add this >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 20. Feb. 2020 um 12:47 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > This is a very common feature in Southeast Asia, Africa and parts of > central and south America: there are hundreds of thousands of them. > > Can't we have an easy to use top-level feature tag, instead of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 19. Feb. 2020 um 23:50 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > My concern is still that it might be hard to translate "donation in > kind" from English into some languages, and that people with limited > English vocabulary might not understand the phrase. > > Automate

Re: [Tagging] Landfills timespan

2020-02-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 20. Feb. 2020 um 11:34 Uhr schrieb Jez Nicholson < jez.nichol...@gmail.com>: > in the UK at least, people just didn't keep records because "out of sight, > out of mind". > that's what they tell you... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstree

Re: [Tagging] Landfills timespan

2020-02-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 20. Feb. 2020 um 10:54 Uhr schrieb Cascafico Giovanni < cascaf...@gmail.com>: > Hello, > > I've an OSM compatible dataset that helps me to spot landfills. Older > ones are already covered by grass and/or trees. > > IMHO could be useful to save landfill locations for a future possible use.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 20. Feb. 2020 um 10:23 Uhr schrieb Volker Schmidt : > Do we have any idea how many amenity=taxi already in OSM are in fact > toctocs or similar? > I suspect that this number is huge, and introducing a new tag for them > will only create confusion, as we have no way of migrating the toktoks

Re: [Tagging] Expressway=yes/no versus new tags "dual_carriageway=yes/no", "limited_access=", "grade_separated"=?

2020-02-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Feb 2020, at 07:42, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > I've created a page for Key:dual_carriageway based on existing usage > in the database: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:dual_carriageway you wrote this was also a key for divided carriageways in general (

Re: [Tagging] Expressway=yes/no versus new tags "dual_carriageway=yes/no", "limited_access=", "grade_separated"=?

2020-02-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Feb 2020, at 01:41, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > While all expressways are major roads designed for high-speed motor > vehicle traffic, they are not often "motorroad=yes", because most > States allow motorcycles and pedestrians on all roads that are not > motorways

Re: [Tagging] Tagging the presence or absence of signs for surveillance cameras

2020-02-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 19 feb 2020, alle ore 04:31, Victor/tuxayo ha > scritto: > > > In countries where the public must be notified of surveillance cameras, the > > following tags could be used on the node: > > > > tourism=information > > information=board > > board_type=

Re: [Tagging] (Un)removable Bollards

2020-02-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 18 feb 2020, alle ore 03:05, Jonathon Rossi ha > scritto: > > I can't think of a bollard here where the general public can remove/fold it, > otherwise what does it achieve? I have seen many removable bollards, both in Germany and Italy, which weren’t locked a

Re: [Tagging] Unremovable bollards

2020-02-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am So., 16. Feb. 2020 um 21:54 Uhr schrieb ET Commands : > > My spelling check does not like "unremovable" but instead suggests > "irremovable." However, if I want to be nit-picky, all bollards are > ultimately removable, so maybe more appropriate values would be > "retractable" and "non-retracta

Re: [Tagging] Unremovable bollards

2020-02-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am So., 16. Feb. 2020 um 22:52 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > Umm... > > Bollards are there to protect people. > they might be there to protect people, but not in all instances, their purpose is to either physically prevent or at least signal to vehicles wider than x to pass, whil

Re: [Tagging] Horse yards / corrals

2020-02-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 17 feb 2020, alle ore 08:03, Graeme Fitzpatrick > ha scritto: > > > The other spot that this would apply to is yards at meatworks, sale yards & > similar. > > Any thoughts? I agree we could need a tag for a generic animal enclosure, which could be used in s

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 16 feb 2020, alle ore 19:07, Jmapb via Tagging > ha scritto: > > It's similar to recycling but implies that the goods are reused rather than > used as raw materials. Personally I feel this is a bit of a continuum and I > don't see a problem with tagging in-kind

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 16 feb 2020, alle ore 14:23, Steve Doerr > ha scritto: > > My immediate reaction is that this sounds like a very similar concept to > 'give box', which was the subject of a recent RFC. Do we need two ways of > tagging such similar things? likely yes, because

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Approved - Tax free shopping

2020-02-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 16 feb 2020, alle ore 13:42, Hauke Stieler > ha scritto: > > Hi all, > > thanks for all the feedback and voting. The proposal for tax free > shopping and the "duty_free" tag has been approved: 13 votes, 2 against, > 1 abstain. > > Currently there's a discussio

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 15 feb 2020, alle ore 18:46, Hauke Stieler > ha scritto: > > 2.) > According to [0] the convention for separation word in a key is the > underscore. So I would change the key to "in_place_donations". right, the underscore replaces spaces between words in formal

Re: [Tagging] Clarify explicit abstention when voting on a proposal

2020-02-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 14. Feb. 2020 um 10:43 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: > Hi Martin, > > According to wikipedia > > "Abstentions do not *count* in tallying the *vote* negatively or > positively; when members *abstain*, they are in effect attending only to > contribute

Re: [Tagging] Clarify explicit abstention when voting on a proposal

2020-02-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 13. Feb. 2020 um 08:37 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: > An opinion from an OSM neophyte > > Abstain should mean just that .. either no vote .. or a blank vote.. > which is a great difference according to how we count. We used to count it as "blank v

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 13. Feb. 2020 um 12:02 Uhr schrieb ael : > > Well, yes, I thought that someone might say that. But such cases are > very much the minority (except perhaps for motorways), which is why > asphalt is still a reasonable default. I would expect an explicit > tag for anything which is not asphal

Re: [Tagging] What is a saltbox?

2020-02-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 12 feb 2020, alle ore 20:41, Julien Lepiller ha > scritto: > > Also for some reason, this tag is different from what wikipedia describes a > saltbox to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltbox_house the shape of OpenStreetMap-4D fits with the wikipedia articl

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 11 feb 2020, alle ore 16:54, Volker Schmidt ha > scritto: > > I thought there was no such agreement. > (I hope to be wrong) there isn’t such agreement, if there isn’t any data you have to guess. In some areas you can suppose that 99,9% of all residential roads

Re: [Tagging] [Tagging} no stopping, no parking

2020-02-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 10 feb 2020, alle ore 21:57, Volker Schmidt ha > scritto: > > This is a pity as the no-parking and in particular the no-stopping > information is important to understand the traffic flow in a street. yes, 60% of all parking_lane:both values are either no_parki

Re: [Tagging] [Tagging} no stopping, no parking

2020-02-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 10 feb 2020, alle ore 20:43, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > ha scritto: > > Note also that "stopping=yes|no" is unclear and > "parking:lane:both=no_stopping" is > clear. yes, clear madness ;-) Why would we describe a place beneath or on the road where you ca

Re: [Tagging] Tagging small areas of bushes, flowers, non-woody perennials, succulents, etc

2020-02-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 9 feb 2020, alle ore 09:29, Joseph Eisenberg > ha scritto: > > However, we still may need a way to tag ornamental plants that do not > produce significant flowers, for example, succulents and plants with > ornamental leaves but no flowers. I would not call a deco

Re: [Tagging] Tagging small areas of bushes, flowers, non-woody perennials, succulents, etc

2020-02-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 9 feb 2020, alle ore 04:53, Graeme Fitzpatrick > ha scritto: > > On that page, though, I just noticed a fairly recent amendment to include > reference to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dflowerbed - > used ~4000 times so possibly worth paying a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging small areas of bushes, flowers, non-woody perennials, succulents, etc

2020-02-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 9 feb 2020, alle ore 03:35, Joseph Eisenberg > ha scritto: > > In the discussion about `barrier=hedge` areas, it is clear that > mappers want a way to tag small areas of bushes and shrubs, and not > everyone is happy about using natural=scrub for this case. you

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 7. Feb. 2020 um 11:26 Uhr schrieb Christoph Hormann : > I currently tend towards a broader solution of dropping rendering of all > barrier tags on polygons. great, this would make it very clear that there is indeed some problem with the tagging. Although I guess carto would get a lot of

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 7. Feb. 2020 um 11:03 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > 1) The tag `area=yes` is only supposed to mean "this closed way is an > area, not a line", and is only used when this is not already obvious > from other tags. > > It is not necessary to add `area=yes` when

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 7. Feb. 2020 um 10:00 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: > > But either way > > Please add pictures to Wikimedia commons as possible and link back to each > node. I would be happy to help. > do you intend, add a link from wikimedia to osm, or from

Re: [Tagging] amenity=faculty?

2020-02-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 7 feb 2020, alle ore 10:19, Lionel Giard > ha scritto: > > But creating a new relation type which would be with the same specification > than a site relation would be a bit weird to me. we’ve done this for boundary relations too, which are essentially multipol

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 7 feb 2020, alle ore 07:01, European Water Project > ha scritto: > > This old drinking fountain is harder to classify: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fountain_Snow_Hill_Samuel_Gurney..jpg > Technically just a drinking fountain but it is rather decorative.

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 6 feb 2020, alle ore 20:03, Paul Allen ha > scritto: > > It's better that tags mean the same thing everywhere. Otherwise you > have to check what each country means by each tag. countries are different and so the expectations you have for certain kind of thin

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 6 feb 2020, alle ore 17:48, António Madeira > ha scritto: > > A fountain is a fountain, if in England it doesn't implies > drinking_water=yes, that's fine. In the majority of European countries, it > does imply, so it's just fair and logical that the wiki refle

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 6 feb 2020, alle ore 16:50, European Water Project > ha scritto: > > drinking_water = as a sub-tag seems more logical. > > Assuming we open the pandora's box of removing amenity=drinking_water which > is used on 207,000 nodes and ways. > https://taginfo.opens

Re: [Tagging] amenity=faculty?

2020-02-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 6 feb 2020, alle ore 11:37, Volker Schmidt ha > scritto: > > Sorry, Martin, but what do you do, if you have a big multi-storey building > and all you have is the door bell on the street level? Not map it? that’s indeed a problem with multipolygons ;) But you w

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 6. Feb. 2020 um 01:11 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > Ok, so we should consider it approved in this case. > > (For context, both Mateusz Konieczny and myself have abstained, along > with 3 others, but had comments expressing concern about using > "give_box" in

Re: [Tagging] amenity=faculty?

2020-02-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 6. Feb. 2020 um 11:01 Uhr schrieb Volker Schmidt : > Padua, Italy, where I live, has a big university spread all over the > place. This includes smaller sections being in apartments in buildings that > are mainly used residentially. > yes, I am also well familiar with universities spread

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 6. Feb. 2020 um 10:55 Uhr schrieb Cascafico Giovanni < cascaf...@gmail.com>: > > Since fountain is intended as "sculptural and/or decorational", IMHO > amenity=fountain is not consistent. AFAIK object belonging to > "amenity" are in someway necessities. So one day, I hope to see > fountain

Re: [Tagging] amenity=faculty?

2020-02-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 6. Feb. 2020 um 10:16 Uhr schrieb Lionel Giard < lionel.gi...@gmail.com>: > One problem with multipolygon relation is that by definition you can't put > *node > *it those and you can't put *contiguous buildings* either. How do you > group "node + polygons + multipolygon" (some buildings a

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 5 feb 2020, alle ore 16:11, Paul Allen ha > scritto: > > 4) Where the only tags are barrier=hedge + area=yes then render > as before, +1, any object with area=yes should be considered an area. > a hedge that has area. This would exclude the cases like > lei

Re: [Tagging] amenity=faculty?

2020-02-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 5 feb 2020, alle ore 11:53, Volker Schmidt ha > scritto: > > I have not looked into this in detail, but this seems to me a strong case for > site relations. I don’t see how site relations would solve the different levels of structure in different countries/un

Re: [Tagging] amenity=faculty?

2020-02-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 4. Feb. 2020 um 17:45 Uhr schrieb Greg Troxel : > Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging writes: > > > Universities may have faculties, that often deserved to be mapped > separately. > +1, I agree with this. Also institutes, departments, and whatever subdivision there may be which can be associa

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 4. Feb. 2020 um 09:15 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: > Dear All, > > I agree with Antonio that the wiki is too ambiguous and needs a bit of > clean up, including more image examples of drinking fountains which merit > to be tagged as > > amenity=fount

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 3. Feb. 2020 um 09:59 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > The request is for a fountain of utilitarian purpose, not historic, > artistic or cultural. > How could we deny there is cultural or historic background for this fountain? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Loriga_-_

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

2020-02-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 3 feb 2020, alle ore 04:32, John Willis via Tagging > ha scritto: > > All of the other bicycle_parking values *imply an ability to lock your bike > to some object*, but =ground_slots and =floor (and =surface) imply *do not*, > because it is assumed that cyclist

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 2 feb 2020, alle ore 23:33, António Madeira > ha scritto: > > Saying that "A fountain for cultural / decorational / recreational purposes. > (...) This might range from the usual fountain that you'll find in lots of > city centers, up to large fountains like th

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 2 feb 2020, alle ore 23:24, António Madeira > ha scritto: > > An official mention on the fountain or just knowing that people drink the > water? I’d say knowing that people drink it, plus the absence of a “no drinking water” sign. But it could depend on the a

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 2 feb 2020, alle ore 23:24, António Madeira > ha scritto: > > It's difficult to tag a village central fountain, with it's structure, > colours, design etc. and just tag them with drinking_water. the tagging for this would be amenity=fountain drinking_water=ye

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 2 feb 2020, alle ore 22:58, Joseph Eisenberg > ha scritto: > > The first is designed like a Roman or Medieval drinking fountain, so > amenity=drinking_water is appropriate. The second example does not > have water running in the picture, but if it can be used (pe

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-02-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 31 gen 2020, alle ore 17:58, Jmapb ha scritto: > > In neither case would I say that adding an old_ref or old_name tag is > wrong per se, but I doubt that it would ever be particularly helpful. I am using the old_ref tag occasionally, it doesn’t harm and could so

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 30. Jan 2020, at 00:22, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Most taxi and pedicab drivers recoginise one or both of these names, > so I have used "name=Jalan Kimbim - Piramid", "alt_name=Jalan Kimbim", > "loc_name=Jalan Piramid". +1, adding all the variants/alternatives is

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy and healthcare=hospital

2020-01-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Jan 2020, at 14:49, Paul Allen wrote: > > Like it or not, iD has more influence on tagging than this list or carto > does. If > iD decides a certain tag should be used in preference to an alternative, or > that > dual-tagging should happen, then that's what happen

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy and healthcare=hospital

2020-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
There could be different kinds of pharmacy, e.g. with dispensing=yes and no. Is the dispensing tag also suggested for the healthcare pharmacies? Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/ta

Re: [Tagging] Area country borders

2020-01-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 19:10 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen : Thanks for that, both of you. Umm, are my eyes playing up or is it mapped as county boundary? the German border (here a part) https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/389808670 is mapped as country border, and is used by Germany and Rhineland-Pala

Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 19:07 Uhr schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > Mateusz, offlist deliberately. > this went wrong ;-) Anyway, from my point of view, the Q&A for the last elections have shown that most people now active in the board also see a

Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 19:02 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > (yes, I am aware about Crimea mess - > we should follow on the ground > situation also in that case) > > Mateusz, offlist deliberately. Would you be willing to write to the new board and ask

Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 19:02 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > Tagging it as its own separate country > is certainly not ok and absurd. > > For how it should be solved in my > opinion: > we should follow on the ground rule > for tagging this. > reason th

Re: [Tagging] Area country borders

2020-01-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 18:43 Uhr schrieb Snusmumriken < snusmumriken.map...@runbox.com>: > On Mon, 2020-01-27 at 17:35 +, Paul Allen wrote: > > Do we have a way of mapping this? Should we have a way of mapping > > this? > > From what I can tell, it was already been done. indeed, it is al

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-01-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 16:58 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: > I think they do need a sign or it is impossible to objectively map whether > a bar will refill a bottle of water for free for anyone (ie paying or > non-paying customer). > I think if they prov

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-01-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 14:59 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: > Hello Martin, > > A refill scheme is a cafe, bar, restaurant, club, hotel participating in > one of the many refill schemes where they agree to fill up anybody's water > bottle for free without a

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?

2020-01-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 16:37 Uhr schrieb Jmapb : > And also editing the > highway=path page, which currently says it's not for use in urban > situations. this seems very strange and is likely the result of fiddling. In the areas I am aware of, path is the standard way to map mixed mode ways

Re: [Tagging] admin_level on ways

2020-01-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 13:11 Uhr schrieb Colin Smale < colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: > OSM clearly associates coastline with high water: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Coastline > > If the admin boundaries are very close, or even coincident with high > water, I would expect two ways in OSM, pos

Re: [Tagging] admin_level on ways

2020-01-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 11:21 Uhr schrieb Colin Smale < colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: However, practically this leeds to ambiguous situations, where for example admin_level=4 is added to islands and might be misinterpreted as administrative "standalone" level 4 entities (with the island name etc.). Whi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-01-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 11:41 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: > Dear Warin, > > Thank you for your email, I have added a voting section and put my vote in > :) I appreciate your advice. > > We debated for a week before I wrote the RFC proposal and I have rec

[Tagging] admin_level on ways

2020-01-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I wonder what is the current state of admin_level on ways, in particular with respect to osm-carto. Historically, the recommendation was to add the lowest admin_level additionally to the ways that are part of admin relations (to help applications that render boundaries based on ways, for examples e

Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

2020-01-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25. Jan 2020, at 15:19, Peter Elderson wrote: > > Well, any crossing involves different ways crossing each other, and should be > considered from all angles involved. A way can't cross another way without > being crossed itself. the question is which way is interrup

Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

2020-01-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
In Germany, this is how the beginning / end of living streets work: http://www.gablenberger-klaus.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/K-Spielstra%C3%9Fe-1.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Drosselweg.JPG Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21. Jan 2020, at 10:22, European Water Project > wrote: > > If a cafe is tagged "drinking_water:fee=yes", it could lead people > erroneously to believe that the tagged cafe sells water ? I’ve yet to see a cafe that doesn’t sell water. Btw, I guess you are less int

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Jan 2020, at 16:34, marc marc wrote: > > but to switch to disused: if there's no water on the day of the survey, > I think that's excessive. for the drinking fountains in my area seeing there is no water does indeed justify to put it on disused, while it’s in theo

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 20. Jan. 2020 um 16:01 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: > Wouldn't it make more sense for mappers to tag status=broken or status=out > _of_order instead of deleting ? > personally I have changed them to "disused:amenity=drinking_water" (and back then)

Re: [Tagging] How to tag Landscaping tarpaper / weedblocking paper

2020-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 20. Jan. 2020 um 15:09 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen : > If they're sub-surface, a mapper won't see them on a survey or aerial > imagery. The > OP appeared to be talking specifically of surface features for preventing > weeds > and/or erosion control, not reinforcement. Visible, therefore mappa

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 16. Jan. 2020 um 03:16 Uhr schrieb Jarek Piórkowski < ja...@piorkowski.ca>: > Ah, good point! So I guess for a drinking fountain seasonal=yes is the > most reasonable when I don't know the months when it's active (I'm in > a climate that freezes, so they get shut down sometime before that)

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 16. Jan. 2020 um 02:53 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > > seasonal=summer > > Well, this is the problem with the tag "seasonal" - it's not 100% > clear if "seasonal=summer" means "this feature is only available in > the summer" or "this feature is NOT available

Re: [Tagging] How to tag Landscaping tarpaper / weedblocking paper

2020-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
even more related wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geotextile Cheers Martin PS: just another example of the plurality of articles (and connected wikidata objects) for (partially) "the same things" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.o

Re: [Tagging] How to tag Landscaping tarpaper / weedblocking paper

2020-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 16. Jan. 2020 um 23:11 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny < matkoni...@tutanota.com>: > maybe surface=landscaping_fabric or =landscape_fabric ? > > Wikipedia has stub under the second title > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landscape_fabric > not sure which name is better > here's an article a

Re: [Tagging] How to tag Landscaping tarpaper / weedblocking paper

2020-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 16. Jan. 2020 um 23:11 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny < matkoni...@tutanota.com>: > maybe surface=landscaping_fabric or =landscape_fabric ? > I don't find the surface tag compelling for this, because around here, most of them are below the surface (although not very deep). I would either

Re: [Tagging] EV charging stations questions and proposals

2020-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Sa., 18. Jan. 2020 um 17:26 Uhr schrieb Lionel Giard < lionel.gi...@gmail.com>: > For motorcar vs car, it seems logical to update it to motorcar as it is > the recommended way of tagging car access, as it is probably just an old > wiki information on the amenity=charging_station. > I am not c

Re: [Tagging] Cooker or Stove in the kitchen?

2020-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 16. Jan. 2020 um 01:38 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen : > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 00:26, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > >> British English speakers: >> >> If you are mapping a device which burns fuel or uses electricity to >> cook food in a pot or pan, is this a "cooker" or a "stove" or >> something

Re: [Tagging] Question about capacity:*=* on parking_space

2020-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Sa., 18. Jan. 2020 um 17:36 Uhr schrieb Lionel Giard < lionel.gi...@gmail.com>: > I wasn't speaking about disabled only here, even if it must exist > countries where disabled are marked but not enforced by law, but i don't > know any example. But for other dedicated parking space like "parent"

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Jan 2020, at 18:08, Florimond Berthoux > wrote: > > Hi, I added my proposal: > > drinking_water:fee=yes/no > drinking_water:fee:conditional="no @ customers" alternavite: > drinking_water:fee:customers=no > drinking_water:bottle=yes/no > > I think that the key bot

Re: [Tagging] Question about capacity:*=* on parking_space

2020-01-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Jan 2020, at 19:57, Alessandro Sarretta > wrote: > > If the parking_space with specific symbology is regulated by law and only > accessible by disabled persons (like in Italy) btw, in Italy disabled parking spaces are accessible by everyone, but only disabled pe

Re: [Tagging] Question about capacity:*=* on parking_space

2020-01-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Jan 2020, at 10:40, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > If you use capacity:disabled on both features, this might lead to > double-counting yes, on the other hand I would see parking_space as parallel to parking, so if one is inside the other it would seem logical that

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Jan 2020, at 20:27, Alessandro Sarretta > wrote: > > And water is probably too general... I try suggesting to use tap_water, that > should clearly state that is not bottle water :-) > > So it could be: > > tap_water=yes/no/customers > tap_water:free=yes/no/custom

Re: [Tagging] building=disused

2020-01-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 16. Jan 2020, at 01:49, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > But disabled=yes should never have been described > as deprecated - it was always being used. I guess „disabled“ was discouraged for political reasons (diversity) as it isn’t an acceptable term (AFAIK, I am not kn

Re: [Tagging] How to tag oneway restriction applying to pedestrians?

2020-01-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Jan 2020, at 12:05, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Pedestrian walking on the carriageway or shoulder is obligated to walk on the > left side of the road. right. Now show me a oneway street that hasn’t a left side ;-) Cheers Martin _

Re: [Tagging] How to revive a tag proposal?

2020-01-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> On 14. Jan 2020, at 19:50, António Madeira wrote: > Sorry, I didn't get your point, Andy. > The tag was used 32 times, that doesn't seem a "relatively popular" use > of the tag. if there aren’t proper alternatives I agree it is relatively popular. > Someone using iD (

Re: [Tagging] How to tag oneway restriction applying to pedestrians?

2020-01-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 14. Jan. 2020 um 15:55 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen : > On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 14:35, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > Mine goes like this: leading the list is the completely meaningless (and I >> guess most will agree with this judgement) oneway:foot=no >> > > It

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 15. Jan. 2020 um 07:20 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > Since drinking fountains are man-made rather than natural features, > they usually have a date when they are turned on or off. > > This can be specified with the key "opening_hours=*" - this is the > commo

Re: [Tagging] building=disused

2020-01-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 15. Jan. 2020 um 08:03 Uhr schrieb Marc Gemis : > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > And that raises another point, how would you render disused physical > objects??? > > I would say that depends on the purpose of the map. A map that wants > to show bu

Re: [Tagging] How to tag oneway restriction applying to pedestrians?

2020-01-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 14. Jan. 2020 um 15:16 Uhr schrieb Jarek Piórkowski < ja...@piorkowski.ca>: > On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 03:48, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > Lets see tags more like a programming language and less like natural > language. > > Here's how the mappers have

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant

2020-01-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Jan 2020, at 10:13, European Water Project > wrote: > > free_water = I think allowing yes is ambiguous and can lead to confusion, but > if that is what is most acceptable fine. Someone could use yes to describe > customers. > > I would suggest > > free_water =

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant

2020-01-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 13. Jan. 2020 um 22:51 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > free_water_table= or free_water:table= will be confusing for places > that sell take-out food and don't have tables, for examples small > fast-food restaurants, convenience shops, etc. > > The word "custom

Re: [Tagging] How to tag oneway restriction applying to pedestrians?

2020-01-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 14. Jan. 2020 um 01:30 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > > following this logics, "oneway:foot" means the oneway restriction > applied to pedestrians, and the result would be no restriction, because > "oneway" already has no implication for pedestrian > > That "

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars,

2020-01-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 13. Jan. 2020 um 17:29 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: > While I understand your point of view, many are trying hard to change > legislation and might see it as more than a marketing gimmick but rather a > right to be able to drink without generating s

Re: [Tagging] How to tag oneway restriction applying to pedestrians?

2020-01-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 13. Jan. 2020 um 17:08 Uhr schrieb Jmapb : > IMO they're both ugly. Don't love -1, and don't love introducing a new > backward/forward scheme with basically the same meaning and possibly > ambiguous interactions with the older oneway scheme. the idea that oneway is about "driving" and n

Re: [Tagging] How to tag oneway restriction applying to pedestrians?

2020-01-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 13. Jan. 2020 um 13:21 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > That argument isn't convincing > > In Openstreetmap the keys are arbitrary strings; "oneway:foot" is no > more relate to oneway than "not_oneway" or "phoneway". > Technically you are correct, but there a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant

2020-01-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. Jan 2020, at 14:07, European Water Project > wrote: > > How about free_water_refill=yes free_water_table=yes ? free_water_refill at a restaurant or cafe to me sounds as if you must buy water and get refills for free Maybe we would want to distinguish getting wate

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