have alternating flow when water is taken out on either side depending
on weather or something like that.
But it's definitly not a lake just because there's no flow direction.
regards
Peter
Am 22.06.2014 12:58, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
Am 22/giu/2014 um 11:35 schrieb bulwersator bulwersa
Am 05.07.2014 20:25, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
Am 05/lug/2014 um 14:50 schrieb Peter Wendorff
wendo...@uni-paderborn.de:
so you would call the Mittellandkanal, connecting Elbe and Weser
in Germany a lake?
no, and I can't imagine how you read this from my posting
. tram and highway, communication cables and water tubes, ...)
The relation makes using the data more difficult, but doesn't improve
editing IMHO. If at all it circumvents misbehaviour of editor software
(more or less automatic merging of nodes).
regards
Peter
Am 10.07.2014 11:10, schrieb Martin
by it (e.g. searching for ice cream
is very different from searching for salty stuff).
The argument that there is no application (yet) that uses the value at
all would be valid, then don't tag it (yourself), but don't restrict
others just because you don't see the use case.
regards
Peter
Am
as crossing IMHO would be wrong.
regards
Peter
Am 22.07.2014 11:43, schrieb André Pirard:
On 2014-07-22 11:01, Jo wrote :
FYI it doesn't seem likely that the event of dropping highway=bus_stop
or highway=speed_camera will be dropped in a foreseeable future,
meaning you'll have to keep double tagging
with a age or type tag.
I would use opening_hours for that. As with a gym open does not have to
refer to being open for the overall public, but it might be open for
members only, the same fits for these establishments like
kindergarten/daycare...,
regards
Peter
that easier as a fallback
to tunnel=yes creates useful results. This fallback does not
differentiate between cages and other tunnels, but it differentiates
cage tunnels from ways above ground.
regards
Peter
Am 14.08.2014 um 16:03 schrieb Tobias Knerr:
On 14.08.2014 12:47, Dan S wrote:
Well
.
Put the effort to add rendering for missing objects. This is harder to
achieve, yes; but it is the straightforward way, not a hack around, with
major drawbacks and side effects.
regards
Peter
Am 20.08.2014 um 14:46 schrieb André Pirard:
On 2014-08-15 16:31, Peter Wendorff wrote :
not a good
miss any) are IMHO
countered by the explanations and assumptions above, feel free to
correct me if I'm wrong and add real benefits of RENDER.
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Am 28.08.2014 um 01:41 schrieb André Pirard:
Hi,
Thanks for your time, Peter, and for a message which I feel like the first to
want to cooperate.
However, I don't feel well how your variants fit with the scenario I am
dealing
with, namely:
* a mapper has a feature to tag
I'm aware of is that
streets is oneway=no, this is usually not necessary.
If in some areas, where most highways are oneways, this leads to the
default being less used than the non-default, this isn't bad either as
the oneway tag is necessary to get complete information.
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to use oneway=no.
Well, yes - but only while adding oneway=yes where it needs to be set,
so even here oneway=no is more like a way checked., adding oneway=no
does not help very much, as long as oneway=yes is that incomplete.
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On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Peter Wendorff
wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote:
No, it isn't.
The interpretation of the database, and the meaning, restricted to the
fact of the streets oneway-ness is the same, but no value at all does
not say
Am 29.08.2014 um 09:58 schrieb Xavier Noria:
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Peter Wendorff
wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote:
+0.5, as UIs are decoupled from the data in OSM. You may write your own
editor with a completely different UI, even one that doesn't know about
oneway at all, so
you linked
to have much less work and confusion.
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[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API/Permanent_ID
Specifically, how would you setup a system to receive notification that the
object was changed?
Have you done it? Do you have some scripts to share? (Can I please
Hi,
starting after the SOTM-EU we've worked hard on a new proposal for
indoor tagging: Simple Indoor Tagging. The Proposal can be found here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Simple_Indoor_Tagging
We think that this proposal is simple and holistic at once and ready to
be used. Anyhow, we'd
to allow the
routing of high vehicles.
Personally I think the same applies to maxweight, maxwidth and a number of
other rare but important tags. I do however agree that it would not be
sensible to required every oneway tag etc etc to being tagged.
Regards,
Peter
On 27 October 2014 00:55
I have seen many users doing the mistake of tagging an island inside an
lake as natural=coastline.
I suspect that the root cause in many cases might be the wiki page for
place=island. The page encourages the use of natural=coastline without
warnings and restrictions.
Would is be possible to make
on.
regards
Peter
Am 01.12.2014 um 23:55 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny:
is there one name or different names?
Each part has its name, but it is name for this part of the library -
for example Main lending library (Wypożyczalnia Główna),
Children's Section (Wypożyczalnia dla dzieci).
I believe
In Sweden it also generally not allowed to cycle on the road if a cycleway
are present. There are some exeptions to this rule, but one cyclist
actually got judged recently for violating this law.
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
what is the
wavelengths to measure at?, as the visibility of some colors are quite
different when looked at on yellow versus white street lamps (not to
mention the more subtile differences within those broad color categories).
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it's mail with reply-to headers or forum posts with some kind of a
parent-post link.
regards
Peter
Am 19.03.2015 um 16:36 schrieb Jan van Bekkum:
Correct, but the forums are easier to scan through and search,
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 4:26 PM Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org
tag.
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Peter
Am 02.03.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt:
For developing world demographers, data on home toilets is important.
This data periodically gets recorded in Open Street Map.
Unfortunately this brings up a number of conflicts, among them the use
of a map by a member
- ...
Therefore a general assumption IMHO is more often wrong than right.
regards
Peter
Am 30.04.2015 um 15:18 schrieb Robin `ypid` Schneider:
Hi everyone
As noted by Ein Mapper on [the current weekly task in Germany][1] it would be
convenient to have an implicit PH off added to most opening_hours values
Hi Christian,
"Christian Müller" schrieb:
> I'm sure there is a lot of stuff in OSM where you could
> trade code against a relation. But most of the time it
> introduces dependencies: on caching [...]
you're probably more than 10 years late with that and there had
been many to suggest great new
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g a loosely or densely spaced row of objects,
exemplified by a tree_row. Other examples: a row of bollards, a row of
stepping stones to cross a waterway, a row of street lights.
- areas representing a surface loosely or densely covered with objects,
exemp
rn. Smaller than a shed and it's
> a kennel.
>
> And if it's on a farm, whatever size it is, it's completely filled with
> all sorts of random junk.
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on waymarkedtrails.
What is a type=superroute needed for then?
Mvg Peter Elderson
> Op 7 mei 2018 om 23:48 heeft Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> het volgende
> geschreven:
>
> Even local hiking routes can have variations in starting and stopping places
> as well as route vari
Road level sounds to me like how high it is. Or on which level in a complex
crossing with fly-overs and stuff.
Beside that, would it be a problem to add a key for generic road
classification while still keeping the old values? Users could use the
generic classification by preference, and default
n Kenny <kevin.b.kenny+...@gmail.com>
> a écrit :
>>
>> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:22 PM, Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I map everything as long as it’s waymarked. If a variant is waymarked
>>> and named, it belongs to the rout
points (e.g. at a border), that's not correct is it?
2018-05-08 8:04 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com>:
> We have trails with their own names, serving as part of a larger
> (branched) trail with another name. The parts may have different operators.
> Alternative sec
tagged as
information point, that's ok I think.
If so, it probably would not hurt to remove the tags, correct the dutch
documentation and maybe suggest using a role instead?
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that doesn't know the role start.
2018-05-11 11:33 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com>:
> 2018-05-11 11:22 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com>:
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>> Well, in a roundtrip there are often multiple designated starting points
>> with a parkin
can I
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> So my question is, is this type of tagging actually supported by data
> consumers, or are these 9000 tagging errors?
>
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>
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> Thorsten
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2018-05-25 13:43 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>:
> On 25 May 2018 at 06:48, Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What is the use of the key:roundtrip?
> > Explanations just say
> >> roundtrip=yes/no(optional) Use roundtrip=
ould
> also be used to indicate that there is a single roundtrip ticket such as a
> park-and-ride bus or river cruise that returns you to your original
> destination in one journey.
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rpret roundtrip as “you can get from a stop to another stop that’s *
>> *before** it in the list of stops by simply remaining in the vehicle”.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can have routes where the start and stop are the same location, but
>> this is not true (as the v
differs from the
location-based definition.
I see a consistency problem here... which explains why the actual use of
this tag is also inconsistent.
2018-05-25 11:58 GMT+02:00 Paul Allen <pla16...@gmail.com>:
> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 6:48 AM, Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.
I've looked up the Circle Line in London. It is not circular in any way!
2018-05-25 14:00 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com>:
> I think circular is used to indicate that the vehicle in the end returns
> at the same point. I don't think the actual shape of the route
> this is not true (as the vehicle always goes on to serve another route
> after arriving at the last stop).
>
>
>
> *From:* Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, 25 May 2018 15:48
> *To:* Tagging list OSM <tagging@openstreetmap.org>
woud the roundtrip tag help you with that?
2018-05-25 12:51 GMT+02:00 Paul Allen <pla16...@gmail.com>:
>
>
> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In that case it is a service-thing rather than a route-th
not marked roundtrip=yes but
> probably should be:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8140184
>
> I agree that this tag seems to be of very limited usefulness, though I
> confess to having used it on occasion.
>
>
> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Warin <61sun
8-05-25 13:43 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>:
> On 25 May 2018 at 06:48, Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What is the use of the key:roundtrip?
> > Explanations just say
> >> roundtrip=yes/no(optional) Use roundtrip=no to i
usefulness, though I
>> confess to having used it on occasion.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/05/18 15:48, Peter Elderson wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the use of the key:roundtr
It's an example. But we are not alone...
2018-05-25 12:33 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com>:
> 2018-05-25 12:29 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com>:
>
>> How would that be applicable in Nederland, where PT uses one type of
>> chipca
, or a geographical non-roundtrip tagged as roundtrip=yes, for
whatever reason. It would be nice to know the reason, of course. For my
part, "everybody/nobody here calls this a circular line" is reason enough.
Could we agree on that too?
If so, all that remains is add this to the wiki.
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t; "route:circular=yes". (There are "only" 25000 in the OSM data, so it might
> be manageable.) I don't like "circular=yes" because it's so vague.
> (example: building=silo circular=yes ?)
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 1:23 PM, Peter Elderso
GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
> On 25/05/18 21:31, Peter Elderson wrote:
>
> It's an example. But we are not alone...
>
>
> Same in Sydney Australia - billed on entry and exit points .. not on how
> long you have been inside the transport system sy
e?
>
> Polyglot
>
> 2018-05-26 12:10 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com>:
>
>> I would like to wrap this up, without a formal proposal process, if there
>> is no fundamental objection.
>> Afterwards, I will announce it in the Dutch community an
T+02:00 marc marc <marc_marc_...@hotmail.com>:
> Le 26. 05. 18 à 12:10, Peter Elderson a écrit :
> > the correct meaning
>
> considering the great diversity of interpretation of this tag,
> what is in your opinion the correct meaning?
> when should roundtrip changed
s
ways which are included in the route relation. But even then, what is the
purpose?
Allowing apps to select only "official" roundtrips? Is that a valid reason
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> On 06/06/2018 11:48, Peter Elderson wrote:
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> This issue has a long history... seems to me tagging awaits rendering, and
> rendering awaits tagging. In such cases, you need a commitment from both
> sides, with enough support to fuel trust.
ystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/2548
>
> * not rendered elsewhere
> * not enough instances
> * what's the difference with landuse
>
> are some of the arguments I've seen.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 12:48 PM, Peter Elderson
> wrote:
> > This issue has a long histo
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but wouldn't it be better to engage earlier and get a commitment and lay
out a road map?
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>
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> On 5. Jun 2018, at 10:02, Peter Elderson wrote:
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> E.g. replace landuse=village_green with landuse=decorative (defaut
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> forestry .. just with the trees harvested and gone, they'll be back.
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2018-06-08 16:35 GMT+02:00 Christoph Hormann :
> On Friday 08 June 2018, Peter Elderson wrote:
> > > Historically absolute use numbers have not been a significant
> > > criterion for decisions in the standard style if to render a
> > > certain tag. Tags have bee
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> Main problem is that many do not consider current usage of landuse=forest
> to be a misuse.
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> On Friday 08 June 2018, Peter Elderson wrote:
> > > ... those who desire a strong hand and an authorative top
> >
> > down tagging system - by derailing the community processes
> >
&
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> On Friday 08 June 2018, Peter Elderson wrote:
> > Agreed, but on this list discussion is in order, right? And here I
> > didn't see anyone "desiring an authorative top down tagging system -
> > derailing the community pr
things.
>
> One of the main problems is inertia.
>
> Some tags have so much 'use' (I prefer the term 'misuse' in some cases..
> well all the ones I'd change if I were dictator)
> that convincing most that they need to change gets very hard.
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>>
>> In this case, rendering is crucial so any documentation would need to
>> address that.
>>
>
> To echo what other people have suggested, you are entirely free to set up
> a rendering* of wh
istent is not one of this cases.
>>
>>
>> Improvements are possible but not when it starts from "deprecate
>> landuse=forest because it is not used to tag land use".
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is natural or not.
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> Now, for tree covered areas I use:
>
> natural=wood
> landcover=trees
>
> I feel that the natural=wood is tagging for the renderer but I do it
> anyway. And I feel that landcover=trees is a more accurate description of
> what is
used land has landuse. E.g. on antarctica (or in deserts) you will not
> have any use for most of the land.
>
>
>
>
>> And landuse=grass doesn't make any sense at all. I'm not aware of any
>> place where "grass" would be an appropiate land*use*.
>>
>
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> >
> > No, you cant. As there are conflicting tagging methods
>
> If everything was "properly" mapped with those 3 tags I could come up
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> This may qualify, though it is debatable.
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> Overall, I think that this situatio
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> On 2018-06-15 08:28, Peter Elderson wrote:
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> Speed is limited to 15 Kmph (living_street rules).
>
>
> Peter, have you got a source for this 15kph maxspeed (wegenverkeerswet)
> for an uitrit that is not a living street? It may be sensible, gi
n_roU1i10R-RCah1eA!
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>
> Also in Spain we have this traffic sign http://www.autoescuela.
> tv/ver_senyal-180-S-dosocho-Calle_residencial and you can see it at the
> start of every street of this kind.
>
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totally backwards compatible with all the
existing millions of uses. No worries there.
2018-06-08 0:11 GMT+02:00 Andy Townsend :
> On 07/06/18 23:00, Peter Elderson wrote:
>
>> I think landuse=forest should remain intact, for cases where forestry is
>> actually how the land is u
fic
regulation rules.
This also copies the situation with driveway-exits. Total chaos, if you
look closely, but hey, it works.
2018-06-15 9:55 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
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>
> sent from a phone
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> > On 15. Jun 2018, at 08:32, Peter Elderson wrote:
> >
> > D
Driveway is to and from a private property, I think? The difference is that
this exit is from a public street with normal traffic. Routable.
2018-06-15 8:17 GMT+02:00 Graeme Fitzpatrick :
> Sorry if I've misunderstood Peter, but is there any difference between
> this & a norma
of the joining road (where traffic
crosses the sidewalk) with an exiting or new highway tag, defining it as a
section which can be crossed (and routed) but has to give way to all, and
limits speed.
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2018-06-15 8:16 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
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> > "If it looks like a driveway exit, treat it like a driveway exit" is the
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nd give way! b. It's coming from
the right but it's an exit so move on!
We're looking for a simple way to indicate what's there without tagging all
the details and implications separately.
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to) you began, no matter where on the route you started.
2018-05-26 14:53 GMT+02:00 Paul Allen <pla16...@gmail.com>:
> On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com>
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> When applied to a route, I would leave out that it is the same vehicle,
e actually fits the
definition.
2018-05-26 15:58 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com>:
> If I understand you correctly, in British English round trip is not about
> the route at all, it is about the journey, the service and practical
> arrangements. While American Engl
ne decides to do the same touring car route in her own car,
wouldn't you still call it a round trip?
2018-05-26 17:16 GMT+02:00 Paul Allen <pla16...@gmail.com>:
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>> Still thinking...
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> On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 5:16 PM, Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com>
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>> I do a lot of one-day walking trips with groups... they actually fit
>> quite nicely with your descriptions. The route usually ends where it
>> starts. You h
eems like deliberately falsifying the data.
> If the bus has to back up, why would we want to hide it in the data?
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Electrification will change that, mmw.
2018-05-29 9:52 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
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> > On 29. May 2018, at 09:49, Peter Elderson wrote:
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> > Why would we want to document which side of the bus comes first? Just
> think of it a
ng the route
>> continuous it's indeed enough to repeat the ways. So maybe I better drop it.
>>
>> But if we're going to a add a role for hail_and_ride and editors need to
>> be adapted to accomodate this, we could include this role as well, while
>> we're at it.
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