Re: [Tagging] How to tag house numbers based on decametres?

2009-10-12 Thread Simone Saviolo
If it's only a problem of routing, wouldn't it be better to let the router do the job? The way would have to be tagged with something like numbering=distance, with the correct orientation (from start to end), and then it would be easy for a program to find out where #23 is. 2009/10/11 John Smith

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-11-30 Thread Simone Saviolo
I'm not sure I understood the WIki correctly - either that, or Osmarender doesn't do what the wiki says. In this place [1], the railway runs on a raised finger of land, as described in the wiki. So I put two parallel ways on both sides of the railway and tagged them as embankments; but the

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread Simone Saviolo
:48 AM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Monday 30 November 2009 23:36:27 Simone Saviolo wrote: I'm not sure I understood the WIki correctly - either that, or Osmarender doesn't do what the wiki says. In this place [1], the railway runs on a raised finger of land, as described

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread Simone Saviolo
2009/12/1 Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: If one wants to show the width of the embankment, I think the more correct thing to do would be to have the embaknkment be one closed curve, perhaps also with area=yes attached.

Re: [Tagging] Non-parking car lots

2009-12-03 Thread Simone Saviolo
2009/12/3 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't those be simply commercial or industrial areas? I think there's no need to record what kind of product is stocked there, and cars (in that case) are just

Re: [Tagging] More about parking

2009-12-03 Thread Simone Saviolo
Hi, both kinds of street-side parking are also present all through Italy, and probably in Europe and in the rest of the world. There has been discussion about this in the wiki [1]. Personally, I haven't tagged any yet. I think it's safe to assume (at least in Italy) that the default is that you

Re: [Tagging] Offices/non-shop businesses

2010-01-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
Why not use business=* instead? Simone 2010/1/27 Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com writes: 2010/1/27 Liz ed...@billiau.net I've started office= tags and have put in something simple for what I have found office=accountant

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-30 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/4/30 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: [...] consider bicycle=yes. [...] I sense a long and unproductive discussion approaching. ;-) Simone ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature : World wide place=* standardisation only based on population

2010-05-28 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/5/27 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Consider the highway=* tag, which has come to refer to the importance of the highway for the road grid. Compare this to Simone's suggestion that the place=* tag should refer to an idea about the urban texture of the country. Very similar ideas. If

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature : World wide place=* standardisation only based on population

2010-05-31 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/5/28 sylvain letuffe li...@letuffe.org: So every città in Italy is tagged place=city ? So you can have a 1 to 1 cittàcity ? So all this are tagged place=city : http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citt%C3%A0_dell%27Italia ? and this is just fud :

Re: [Tagging] religion

2010-05-31 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/5/31 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 31 May 2010 19:15, Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: that's the stonehenge ones, I meant that the (modern) olympics one aren't religious AFAIK That's the thing about religions, you can't prove things either way usually. Well,

Re: [Tagging] religion

2010-05-31 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/5/31 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 31 May 2010 19:42, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: Modern olympics start with a ceremony, but no god or declaration of faith is involved. It's clear that it is not a religious event. I don't know about declarations of faith

Re: [Tagging] highway=motorway and motorroad (implies)

2010-06-10 Thread Simone Saviolo
In Italy, access to motorways is forbidden to any vehicle not able to reach 80 km/h on a level floor, and motorbikes and motorcycles under 250cc are excluded too. The motorway must be a dual carriageway (which implies oneway=yes) with at least two lanes per carriageway. There may be sections with

Re: [Tagging] What classification for a connecting link?

2010-06-17 Thread Simone Saviolo
Nathan Edgars II (nerou...@gmail.com) wrote: So a trunk road crosses a primary road, but you're not allowed to turn at the crossing. Instead you have to turn before or after and loop around to get from one to the other. If this connecting status is the sole reason through traffic would have

Re: [Tagging] What classification for a connecting link?

2010-06-17 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/6/17 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: Simone Saviolo wrote: The wiki seems pretty clear to me: the definition for trunk_link says The link roads (sliproads/ramps) leading to/from a trunk road from/to a trunk road or lower class highway. So if this connection leads from a trunk

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-29 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/6/29 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com: In Great Britain it's soccer 950, football 600, association_football nil By all means add association_football as an additional option (as a synonym for soccer for those that prefer it), but there's no need to try to deprecate

Re: [Tagging] tagging religious features (abbey, monastery, shrine), probably subtags of place of worship

2010-07-08 Thread Simone Saviolo
Also, what about - cloisters* - parvises* - bell towers (I don't think man_made=tower or building=tower are enough) * Here's an example of why I think these are interesting to map: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.329106lon=8.419258zoom=18layers=B000FTF GMaps:

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-19 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/8/19 Anthony o...@inbox.org: And what happens if the name is not exactly the same ? Then there's an error that needs to be fixed. That's why some contributors prefer the relation. Right problem, wrong solution. So, if the name of a street is changed for whatever reason, I have to go

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-19 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/8/19 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: On 19.08.2010 16:27, Simone Saviolo wrote: So, if the name of a street is changed for whatever reason, I have to go through the, maybe, several hundreds of house numbers on that way, change the addr:street on every single one of them, and then hope

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-20 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/8/19 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: On 19.08.2010 18:28, Tom Chance wrote: On 19 August 2010 16:54, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de mailto:o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote:     Basic address editing, however, requires more knowledge if implemented     using relations - which is bad,

Re: [Tagging] Ways rendered on wrong layer (counter to the layer tag values)

2010-08-20 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/8/20 Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com: I'm not sure when to use the bridge tag. In this part of the map http://c.tile.openstreetmap.org/17/120570/78686.png there is a footway which is at ground level at both ends, but significantly above the water below in the middle, held up by

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/8/24 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: Typical. NFI about database use so you resort to slinging mud. I have a significant idea about how osm works as I have to integrate it into programs I write or contribute to. If the database was normalised then I'd have a reduction of

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/8/24 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Am 24.08.2010 13:38, schrieb Elena of Valhalla: On 8/24/10, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de  wrote: Am 24.08.2010 12:17, schrieb Liz: the butcher and baker are working with raw materials, producing something temporary and not required to

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks

2010-08-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/8/26 David ``Smith'' vidthe...@gmail.com: * If a street has its sidewalks mapped separately, the street itself should probably be tagged with foot=no. -1. no is too strong: pedestrians are never forbidden to go on a road (except for motorways, at least in Italy). Maybe something like not

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks

2010-08-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/8/27 Alberto Nogaro bartosom...@yahoo.it: -Original Message- From: tagging-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:tagging- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Simone Saviolo Sent: venerdì 27 agosto 2010 9.41 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks

2010-08-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/8/27 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2010/8/27 Alberto Nogaro bartosom...@yahoo.it: Not really. In Italy pedestrians are forbidden to walk on any road, when paths (such as sidewalks) designated for pedestrians are available. btw.: there is also strange cases where it seems

Re: [Tagging] pool/billiards hall?

2010-08-28 Thread Simone Saviolo
I agree with using amenity=pub/bar/whatever, sports=pool. But doing a strict classification would be often hard. In my town ([ot] thanks, population-based classification of urban centres, for not calling it a city! [/ot]) there's a bowling hall, with arcade-style video games, pool and

Re: [Tagging] radio and/or tv studio?

2010-08-28 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/8/27 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net: i just found amenity=studio which will do, although i still thing office=broadcasting might be helpful to identify the business office side. Why not amenity=studio, studio=broadcasting, broadcasting=TV? richard Ciao, Simone

Re: [Tagging] Reasons for associatedStreet?

2010-09-01 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/1 David Paleino da...@debian.org: Hello list, while wondering about street-related things with other folks on #osm...@oftc, we came to the question: why is Relation:associatedStreet needed at all? (Karlsruhe schema) I've always used it to associate housenumbers to the given street (I

Re: [Tagging] Reasons for associatedStreet?

2010-09-01 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/1 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: Why is a route relation needed to group the segments of a street? Not much to group the segments of a street, but to associate the house numbers to their street. Grouping the segments is a welcome side-effect. Ciao, Simone

Re: [Tagging] Non proposed features

2010-09-08 Thread Simone Saviolo
But how do we deal with the map features list, should they be managed? Managed by who? Managed by which guidelines? If map features were really to be mantained as an official list of OSM features, then they should be somehow enforced in applications. A sort of OSM certification for consumers

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/20 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: If you miss something, please report here so that we can extend the proposal. I've never found an appropriate tag for those bollards that can retract down into the road. They're usually controlled by a remote, and they're often used to

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/21 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 21 September 2010 17:32, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: I've never found an appropriate tag for those bollards that can barrier=bollard bollard=retractable|removeable|collapsible|flexible manual=yes/no Manual

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/21 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 21 September 2010 18:28, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: Manual? Is this to differentiate between a) on-demand rectratable Manual as in they usually have a padlock or a built in key slot to manually retract or remove them

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features%2FIce_creamaction=historysubmitdiff=532984oldid=531944 This doesn't seem quite right. Care to expand a bit? Regards, Simone ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Give Way and Stop in two-way street

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org: Hello all: There are some streets which, being two-way, one way has a Stop or Give Way and the other has not. How to tag them? If we consider the verse of the way, then probably a :forward vs. :backward specification would work. For

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
I've used landuse in a slightly different way from what you say. After discussion on the talk-it ML, we agreed that single shops in a mainly residential block would be added as POIs, but not mapped as landuse=retail. However, if the shop was a separate building, then the landuse there would be

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 j...@jfeldredge.com: One issue with tagging a commercial parking lot as landuse=road is that it is generally legal to use a road as a through route, whereas you can be issued a traffic ticket for simply cutting across a parking lot without stopping.   Admittedly, this isn't always

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Luca Brivio luca.bri...@gmail.com wrote: In data lunedì 27 settembre 2010 10:14:19, Nathan Edgars II ha scritto: And now we have a tag that replaces all ice cream places, thus providing less information than the

Re: [Tagging] musings on landuse

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 j...@jfeldredge.com: So, in Italy, the owner of a private parking lot is not allowed to say that his parking lot can't be used as a public street?  It is common in the USA to see signs at parking-lot entrances saying no through traffic. I wouldn't say he's not allowed. AFAIK (and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/27 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl:  I am making a simple proposal of roundabout=priority_to_right to indicate a specific non-standard priority arrangement on some roundabouts occurring in some parts of mainland Europe. Please see:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-28 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/28 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:51:27 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: So, regular roundabouts (i.e., those that are common, with priority to the left) are tagged junction=roundabout, and non-standard right-hand-priority ones are

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-28 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/28 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: intersections [1]. It is just a road that happens to be circular in shape, with semaphores or stops along it. who get's the right of way, when the traffic lights turn off (say due

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-28 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/28 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: 2010/9/28 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: intersections [1]. It is just a road that happens to be circular in shape

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-28 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/28 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: If you leave it at that, a navigation program might not recognise it as a {roundabout|traffic_circle} so instead of saying at the next roundabout take the second exit it would produce confusing instructions. Another non-problem. As you enter the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-28 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: a satnav tells me third exit of the roundabout It's unrelated, but Navit (the supposedly best available navigator that uses OSM maps) fails utterly at counting the exits of a roundabout. It will include also oneway ways entering the roundabout

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Roundabout Priority

2010-09-29 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/28 ael law_ence@ntlworld.com: On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 03:41:49PM +0200, Simone Saviolo wrote: 2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: a satnav tells me third exit of the roundabout It's unrelated, but Navit (the supposedly best available navigator that uses OSM maps

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-10-01 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/30 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 6:45 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: If they don't have a name, don't tag one. Simple as this. Aico Uno s.r.l. is the operator IMHO. -1 This proposal for brand and operator shouldn't replace the main tag

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-10-01 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/10/1 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: -1. He is not. When I say you, it's not one specific person but the (small) group pushing for the adoption of brand and operator to replace the tag name when the specific

Re: [Tagging] How do I amend the wiki Was[add leisure=swimming_pool to the core-features]

2010-10-12 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/10/12 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:  On 11/10/2010 21:30, ed...@billiau.net wrote: wiki editing is not easy. if the instructions also come in a language which isn't your own it gets even harder I agree For instance, in the discussion pages how do you add your username along with a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging several old_name's

2010-10-25 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/10/25 Dmitry Granovsky dima.granov...@gmail.com: name:- is not bad. However, we have to somehow combine it with name:LANG tags: name:en:1945-1954 or name:1945-1954:en. Have you ever seen it implemented? One could use name:old:-, or name:old:N to give a chronological order

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Draft - winter ice roads

2010-12-12 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/12/12 Gleb Smirnoff gleb...@glebius.int.ru: S This also has the advantage that any renderer/software that doesn't S know about winter roads will err on the side of caution by not showing S anything at all in some cases. Don't map for renderer! :) Renderer/software should know about this

Re: [Tagging] Bus depot?

2010-12-15 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/12/15 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Hi How are bus depots being tagged? These are places where bus are stored, say overnight, when not in use. I've looked on taginfo there was only one use of bus_depot, so I assume it's being tagged differently, but not sure how. There was a short

Re: [Tagging] Bus depot?

2010-12-16 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/12/16 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net: On 12/15/10 5:59 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com  wrote: Personally I'd go for landuse=bus_depot. but I'm open to suggestions. So landuse=* is going to be the new dumping ground? :) I

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Draft - Depot

2010-12-16 Thread Simone Saviolo
Hi everyone, here [1] is the proposal for a landuse=depot tag. Due to the fact that this is the first proposal I ever made, I'm leaving the draft open for a while, so that more experienced users can review it and point faults with the proposal itself. Also, because I'm not familiar with the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Draft - Depot

2010-12-16 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/12/16 Gleb Smirnoff gleb...@glebius.int.ru: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 02:33:25PM +0100, Simone Saviolo wrote: S here [1] is the proposal for a landuse=depot tag. S S Due to the fact that this is the first proposal I ever made, I'm S leaving the draft open for a while, so that more

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Draft - Depot

2010-12-16 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/12/16 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: Why landuse=depot ? I don't like to use amenity for everything but it's very closed to the already existing amenity=parking which is not landuse=parking It is not only about

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-06 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/1/6 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com Putting in place a serious process for tag migration will be difficult. I suggest that a first step will be definition of an actual schema, with version number. For example, define an actual list of several hundred tags, with semantics, that

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-06 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/1/6 Ralf Kleineisel r...@kleineisel.de On 01/06/2011 06:00 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote: What beside of this - I fear, stupid - certification is the benefit for a hiking map in supporting e.g. maxspeed of motorways as part of the OSM core being the decision basis to get the

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-06 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/1/6 Ralf Kleineisel r...@kleineisel.de Remember, the goal of OSM is a FREE map, not one with a lot of rules and restrictions. There are enough restricted maps out there. Let me express another comment on this. OSM's map is FREE in the sense that it is FREELY USABLE and DISTRIBUTABLE. You

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-06 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/1/6 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de Hi Simone. I agree that some definition of core features would be useful. I think I wrote that in my last mail here, too. I simply don't see the benefit of a certificate on application side. It's not an advantage on the application side in

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-06 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/1/6 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com Am 06.01.2011 23:06, schrieb Simone Saviolo: ... but in fact the map is not reliably usable. Fine, if you think OSM is working unreliably - just go on and start your own reliable project :-) If you set up something like an OSM core profile

Re: [Tagging] tagging capitals

2011-01-21 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/1/21 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com By looking at the wiki and taginfo, as well as some data as Cardiff / Wales, it doesn't seem clear which way capitals should be tagged / are currently tagged. There is proposals to use capital=yes together with admin_level on a node, there

Re: [Tagging] tagging capitals

2011-01-21 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/1/21 j...@jfeldredge.com I was a little surprised by this, until I looked up the definition of capital given in Wikipedia (primary city, as opposed to seat of government). In American usage, the capital of a nation or sub-national region is its seat of government, whether or not that

Re: [Tagging] Tagging long roads

2011-02-16 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/2/16 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com On 2/15/2011 10:22 PM, Andrew Errington wrote: Hi, I have noticed inconsistencies and discrepancies in motorway names here in Korea. I can fix this because I have photographed the roadsigns which give the correct names, however, the motorway

Re: [Tagging] Tagging long roads

2011-02-17 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/2/17 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com A slight OT: is there some agreed decision on how to solve conflicts in tags between a relation and its elements? Yes, correct the wrong one with local knowledge ;-). Ja, denn die Welt ist perfekt ;-) I mean, if the relation says

Re: [Tagging] Counterflow Lanes

2011-02-21 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/2/21 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net On 2/21/11 9:10 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 02/20/2011 08:57 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 2/20/11 8:51 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 02/19/2011 08:08 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Don't we want to break existing consumers if they might route people

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalks vs Footways

2011-03-17 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/3/17 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de Hi. I'm from Germany, and therefore not argumenting with the English language, but footway is a more general term as distinct ways for people moving by foot are footways, too. Ways along or part of a street with main purpose of often

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalks as separate ways

2011-03-25 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/3/25 David Paleino da...@debian.org No, it's up to YOU, as a developer, to support basic OSM things. Relations are an OSM primitive, and to be considered the official editor, since you're being hosted on osm.org, you MUST implement them. That's IMHO, obviously. I remember the mob

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalks as separate ways

2011-03-25 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/3/25 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net David Paleino wrote: No, it's up to YOU, as a developer, to support basic OSM things. Relations are an OSM primitive, and to be considered the official editor, since you're being hosted on osm.org, you MUST implement them. That's IMHO,

Re: [Tagging] etymology of street names

2011-04-08 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/4/8 Jo winfi...@gmail.com In Ghent (Belgium) I find the following in the name tags: Henri Farmanstraat ((Luchthavenpionier, 1874-1958)) Vincent Evrardlaan ((Oud burgemeester van Gentbrugge, 1896-1995)) Guido Gezelle straat ((Dichter, 1830-1899)) Interesting information, but

Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...

2011-04-28 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/4/28 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net On 4/27/11 8:47 PM, John Smith wrote: If people can tag trees, surely things of historical significants deserve to be allowed in OSM as well. identifiable, physical objects that exist today, sure. the phase maps i want to do for the battle

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/5/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com On 6 May 2011 01:09, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: Unless you are in New Zealand, you're unlikely to tag the same thing: It's being used for a Maori fortress, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81_%28M%C4%81ori%29 That seems

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com On 5/11/2011 10:47 AM, Flaimo wrote: you misread that. because if its imprecise definition, there are still heated discussions on how detailed landuses should be mapped. some leave out the areas of the streets, some don't. all i wanted to state

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com On 5/11/2011 11:15 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: 2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com On 5/11/2011 10:47 AM, Flaimo wrote: you misread that. because if its imprecise definition

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/5/11 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: If you follow the convention that each way should be drawn along the center of the real-world feature, then the width of e.g. a sidewalk can still be determined at any point along the road from just the single outline

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/5/12 Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de Am 12.05.2011 um 10:50 schrieb Tobias Knerr: Sorry for my previous unfinished mail, I didn't want to send it. To summarize what I intended to say: * I assume that most road shapes are adequately described with just a single outline area for

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/7/27 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com I wonder if this definition which was formerly part of the description for highway=unclassified is still valid: Unclassified roads typically form the lowest form of the interconnecting grid network. It was removed here (Tidying up the

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/7/27 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2011/7/27 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: IMHO, it's a sentence that is both unclear and wrong. Interconnecting grid network has no significance: if it wasn't interconnecting it wouldn't be a network, and a grid network

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/7/27 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2011/7/27 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: Of course, the roads are interconnecting, otherwise it wouldn't be a network. I thought this was a common term in English, but as I am not a native speaker I might be wrong Neither

Re: [Tagging] Entrance and exit roads for parking lots: `service=?`

2011-08-07 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/7 Mike N nice...@att.net On 8/7/2011 4:17 PM, Gioele Barabucci wrote: I found some instances of driveway leading to a parking lot and similar sentences. Is is OK, from a linguistic point of view, to identify these roads as driveways? I agree that having the parking lot entrance

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-09 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/9 Pieren pier...@gmail.com On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.comwrote: A big +1. I'm afraid that people promoting relations (once they understand the concept, they want to use it everywhere) are not the one editing often the map data ... -1. I use them

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-09 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/9 Mike N nice...@att.net On 8/9/2011 10:44 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Relations make the map hard to work with. Agree - one of the barriers to entry by new mappers is the complexity. We need to do everything possible to keep it simple and usable. And not just by creating

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-10 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/10 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: if we make a system that any newcomer can use completely without even having to dwelve into the details, then we're basically dumbing it down and limiting its

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-10 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/10 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de Simone Saviolo wrote: Ok, but there are use cases where simple things don't suffice. In the case at hand, for example, using something like direction=forward doesn't work in all the use cases. And using direction=angle in degrees is in no way

Re: [Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-18 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/18 Pieren pier...@gmail.com On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: +1. It's not a Latin name, but the scientific name itself. Okay for latin ... but OSM shouldn't be reserved for experts imo. I'm afraid that this sub-tag will need

Re: [Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-18 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/18 Pieren pier...@gmail.com On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: surface=paved is just as precise as species=Juglans regia. It's up to the consumers to adapt it to their audience. Also, I'd expect that a Frenchmen understands

Re: [Tagging] landuse=residential and named residential areas which belong together (neighbourhoods/subdivisions?)

2011-08-29 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/29 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com We have been recently discussing on the German ML about landuse=residential. In Germany many mappers were mapping subdivisions / neighbourhoods [1] with landuse=residential. This led to very rough landuse information, because in order to

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Roundabouts and routing

2011-09-09 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/9/9 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2011/9/9 Graham Stewart (GrahamS) gra...@dalmuti.net: David Earl wrote: The reason I needed such a tag was to avoid one way arrows cluttering up the map on those little Y-shaped approaches to roundabouts This seems like a bad approach

Re: [Tagging] Wide steps

2011-10-07 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/10/7 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com Any suggestions as to how to represent some steps... These steps aren't that unusual I guess, but they aren't a staircase. They form the edges of a piazza-like platform, running most of the way around it. There are only 4 steps, but they are

Re: [Tagging] Wide steps

2011-10-08 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/10/7 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com On 07/10/2011 18:13, Peter Wendorff wrote: I'm not sure, but perhaps the area:highway-proposal [1] is useful here. There are already numerous highway areas for things like market places and piazzas, but it's done as highway=x;area=yes, not

Re: [Tagging] Amenity parking

2012-01-11 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/1/11 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2012/1/11 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com: I will gladly change my amenity=parking to what ever you decide. Does access=private work? The parking lots aren't private it's just that you can't park there. access=private doesn't say that

Re: [Tagging] Amenity swimming_pool (was Amenity parking)

2012-01-11 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/1/11 Ben Johnson tangarar...@gmail.com: For a public access pool (eg run by a local government authority, or even a private operator who's main business is the swimming pool) usually charge an entry fee and have opening hours, so i'd use [access=permissive] - likewise for tennis clubs

Re: [Tagging] Amenity swimming_pool (was Amenity parking)

2012-01-13 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/1/13 Ben Johnson tangarar...@gmail.com: Okay that explains it very well. I have a friend with a farm who explained a little to me and the obligation makes perfect sense. But would you tag such ways as private or just leave them as default access?  Farms aside, I struggle to think of

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/1/17 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 1/17/2012 6:28 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/1/17 Maarten Deenmd...@xs4all.nl: On 2012-01-16 23:27, Robin Paulson wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-36.878407lon=174.741523zoom=19 the landuse polygon has an orange

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/1/17 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 1/17/2012 8:10 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: I find it useless to map such wide areas as landuses. There's no point in tagging a whole village's area as landuse=residential, and there's no point in making a sixty-km-wide polygon to indicate

Re: [Tagging] psv (was Re: access=no (was Amenity swimming_pool (was Amenity parking)))

2012-01-17 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/1/17 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 1/17/2012 8:32 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: psv=yes (or bus=yes) This has been bugging me for a while - why do we group buses and taxis? Is this a common grouping in the UK? I don't know about other places, but at least in Italy it's

Re: [Tagging] psv (was Re: access=no (was Amenity swimming_pool (was Amenity parking)))

2012-01-17 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/1/17 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 08:34:48AM -0500, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 1/17/2012 8:32 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: psv=yes (or bus=yes) This has been bugging me for a while - why do we group buses and taxis? Is this a common grouping in the UK?

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/1/17 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: For what it's worth. When I start rendering/printing maps based on OSM, I think it's extremely ugly if the landuse is not 'connected' to the roads, i.e. that the landuse uses separate parallel ways with a small space in between for its definition. I also

Re: [Tagging] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-18 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/1/17 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 1/17/2012 11:18 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com  wrote: On 1/17/2012 10:32 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com  wrote: A

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