Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-07 Thread Warin 

On 07-Mar-17 10:56 PM, Thilo Haug wrote:


Hi all,

thanks to Martin for the clarification.

In the discussion of the (former voted) wiki entry :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:motorcycle_friendly

I referred to the definition of the German automobile club :

8X---
The German automobile club has the following criteria :

  * (Theft) safe and secure motorcycle parking areas.
  * Facilities for wet clothes.
  * Tools for minor repairs
  * Extensive information material (including tour suggestions,
excursion tips, road maps, useful addresses for motorcyclists)

https://www.adac.de/reise_freizeit/motorrad/motorradfreundliche-gastgeber/qualitaetssiegel/default.aspx
8X---

Those four points should be given if an item is categorized as "yes".


You will get few that meet all of these criteria on a worldwide basis.
The proposal looks like it is a requirement to meet all 4 of these 
criteria.


In some climates wet weather is a lesser concern, so wet clothing 
facilities are less frequently used and as such stored out of the way - 
thus less obvious.

'Extensive' is a subjective term.
The word 'including' means that all these things are required to meet 
the criteria.
The words 'for example' could replace 'including' to allow a few of 
these things or other things to be used to meet the criteria.




"No" means they don't accept motorcyclists (seldom, but exists).


I would take a broader view. I would take 'no' to mean 'discourages' as 
well as the meaning 'rejects'.


As there are certainly accommodations
which just don't care about your means of transport,
there is also a third option, which I called "customary",
as this categorization is already in use (for nudism)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:nudism#Tagging


The meaning of 'customary' is 'usual practice' ... what your proposal 
takes as 'customary' is a lesser friendliness that the 'yes' case. This 
is not the meaning of the word 'customary'! And it is confusing to a 
native English speaker.

Do not use this word this way.

A better word might be 'partial', meaning 'not total, but a bit'.



So I think the criteria is quite clear and not "opinionated".
In case the description could be improved, please let me know in the 
"discussion" :

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly#Proposal


Discussion can also take place here, and you should observe these too.



Cheers,
Thilo

Am 07.03.2017 um 11:20 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:


2017-03-07 10:58 GMT+01:00 Thilo Haug >:


"own data, as an overlay" doesn't make sense to me in this case,
as it's data the community should collect, not the transformation
of existing data collections
("motorcycle friendly" web pages, as they are often randomly
listing hotels).
This is the motivation of this tag.


one of the basic fundamental rules in OSM is that data should be 
objective and not opinionated. We do not want restaurant reviews (or 
any other personal review) or a generalized way of saying "suitable 
for cyclists" (you can of course map the factors that say why it is 
suitable or not), and a "friendly:*" tag could be misleading in this 
regard. I agree that there are facts that can indicate a friendlyness 
or hostility towards a certain group of people (e.g. motorcyclists, 
hikers, hunters, cyclists, ...), like the signs, so I am not 
absolutely against a tag like this, but the definition should make it 
clear that it is about objective, observable criteria.


Didn't understand what you mean with "digest approach" ?



You can subscribe to the mailing list getting all the messages as 
soon as they are sent, or in a digest way (many messages together in 
one email) after n messages (I think it's 10 or 15) have been sent to 
the list.


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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-07 Thread David Bannon 


On 07/03/17 20:58, Thilo Haug wrote:

...

I'm not really sure about which issue you talk in the 2nd part of your 
message "not actual rules",
do you refer to my entry in the proposal about a "code of conduct" ? 
...


Thilo, what I was suggesting is that you need to receive the list 
messages, read them, understand the ideas behind them. That cannot 
happen if you try to block all messages other than your own topic (or 
unsubscribe). Or think of them as spam.




"own data, as an overlay" doesn't make sense to me in this case,


OK, then thats not a suitable solution for you.


Didn't understand what you mean with "digest approach" ?

I thought you mentioned getting the list communications via digest 
instead of directly receiving what you call spam. If not, sorry for the 
distraction.


David





Cheers,
Thilo


Am 07.03.2017 um 04:15 schrieb David Bannon:

On 07/03/17 04:55, Thilo Haug wrote:

..

I (accidentally) unsubscribed because of the "spam" coming in,
means I didn't get just messages regarding the topic.

Thilo, perhaps thats the underlying problem here ?  You read the 
rules on the wiki, complied with what you understood and now, I guess 
feel as if you are being treated a bit unfairly ? However, I doubt 
that any proposal has succeeded where the proposer has not been a 
member of this list, been actively reading the messages at least and 
probably been contributing as well.


The truth is that not all the "rules" are on the wiki, there is a 
huge quantity of community knowledge, not actual rules, and much of 
it is accessible via this list. We have a large number of very 
experienced  database, rendering, mapping, cultural experts who live 
here (no, I'm not one!). They comment on a proposal and help a 
proposal comply with the OSM culture. Their "rules" are not written 
down as the document would run to 100's pages and we'd never agree on 
the content. Written rules have to cover every possible situation. 
Too hard.


This list is very welcoming, always open to new ideas and not, in any 
way, locked into particular policies. Within the list you will find 
widely differing views but always respect for others.


To solve your problem Thilo, you could do a number of things. 
Firstly, tags in OSM do not need be approved. I, personally don't 
recommend unapproved tags but lots will disagree with me. 
Alternatively, its relatively easy to put your own data, as an 
overlay, onto an OSM map. Keep you data privately or put it into one 
of the public POI databases. But really, I strongly recommend you 
keep trying as you are, refine and improve your proposal with the 
help of the mailing list, understand why OSM "rules" are what they 
are. You can then make a good tag, one that can be used around the 
world and rendered on lots of maps.


By the way, I would not recommend the digest approach, I found it 
harder to assign time to. Digest users, when replying, often seem to 
forget to change the message title and are not always taken seriously :-)


David




Am 06.03.2017 um 18:09 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:


2017-03-06 17:46 GMT+01:00 Michael Reichert >:


Hi Martin and others,

Am 2017-03-06 um 17:37 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> yes, that wording is unfortunate, because in most/many OSM
mailing lists
> messages never get approved. I am myself admin of a very
small regional ML
> and from time to time there are periods where a lot of spam
arrives, I can
> imagine checking held back messages in the big lists would be
a lot of work
> (and mostly consist in rejecting spam). You would also have
to do it daily,
> because after some time many messages will seem out of context.

I have changed the wording of the wiki page Proposal_Process
today to
stress the necessity to subscribe the Tagging mailing list.
Feel free to
modify/revert it if you don't like it.



As you name me in person: I was not referring to the wording in the 
wiki but the wording of the mailing list autoresponder message in 
case someone not subscribed sends a message (and from the reply 
might get to the impression that it will pass, which it in fact 
almost never does for any of the OSM lists).


Cheers,
Martin


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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-07 Thread Thilo Haug 
Hi all,

thanks to Martin for the clarification.

In the discussion of the (former voted) wiki entry :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:motorcycle_friendly

I referred to the definition of the German automobile club :

8X---
The German automobile club has the following criteria :

  * (Theft) safe and secure motorcycle parking areas.
  * Facilities for wet clothes.
  * Tools for minor repairs
  * Extensive information material (including tour suggestions,
excursion tips, road maps, useful addresses for motorcyclists)

https://www.adac.de/reise_freizeit/motorrad/motorradfreundliche-gastgeber/qualitaetssiegel/default.aspx
8X---

Those four points should be given if an item is categorized as "yes".

"No" means they don't accept motorcyclists (seldom, but exists).

As there are certainly accommodations
which just don't care about your means of transport,
there is also a third option, which I called "customary",
as this categorization is already in use (for nudism)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:nudism#Tagging

So I think the criteria is quite clear and not "opinionated".
In case the description could be improved, please let me know in the
"discussion" :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly#Proposal

Cheers,
Thilo

Am 07.03.2017 um 11:20 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
>
> 2017-03-07 10:58 GMT+01:00 Thilo Haug  >:
>
> "own data, as an overlay" doesn't make sense to me in this case,
> as it's data the community should collect, not the transformation
> of existing data collections
> ("motorcycle friendly" web pages, as they are often randomly
> listing hotels).
> This is the motivation of this tag.
>
>
> one of the basic fundamental rules in OSM is that data should be
> objective and not opinionated. We do not want restaurant reviews (or
> any other personal review) or a generalized way of saying "suitable
> for cyclists" (you can of course map the factors that say why it is
> suitable or not), and a "friendly:*" tag could be misleading in this
> regard. I agree that there are facts that can indicate a friendlyness
> or hostility towards a certain group of people (e.g. motorcyclists,
> hikers, hunters, cyclists, ...), like the signs, so I am not
> absolutely against a tag like this, but the definition should make it
> clear that it is about objective, observable criteria.
>
>  
>
> Didn't understand what you mean with "digest approach" ?
>
>
>
> You can subscribe to the mailing list getting all the messages as soon
> as they are sent, or in a digest way (many messages together in one
> email) after n messages (I think it's 10 or 15) have been sent to the
> list.
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
>
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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 
2017-03-07 10:58 GMT+01:00 Thilo Haug :

> "own data, as an overlay" doesn't make sense to me in this case,
> as it's data the community should collect, not the transformation of
> existing data collections
> ("motorcycle friendly" web pages, as they are often randomly listing
> hotels).
> This is the motivation of this tag.
>

one of the basic fundamental rules in OSM is that data should be objective
and not opinionated. We do not want restaurant reviews (or any other
personal review) or a generalized way of saying "suitable for cyclists"
(you can of course map the factors that say why it is suitable or not), and
a "friendly:*" tag could be misleading in this regard. I agree that there
are facts that can indicate a friendlyness or hostility towards a certain
group of people (e.g. motorcyclists, hikers, hunters, cyclists, ...), like
the signs, so I am not absolutely against a tag like this, but the
definition should make it clear that it is about objective, observable
criteria.



> Didn't understand what you mean with "digest approach" ?
>


You can subscribe to the mailing list getting all the messages as soon as
they are sent, or in a digest way (many messages together in one email)
after n messages (I think it's 10 or 15) have been sent to the list.

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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-06 Thread David Bannon 

On 07/03/17 04:55, Thilo Haug wrote:

..

I (accidentally) unsubscribed because of the "spam" coming in,
means I didn't get just messages regarding the topic.

Thilo, perhaps thats the underlying problem here ?  You read the rules 
on the wiki, complied with what you understood and now, I guess feel as 
if you are being treated a bit unfairly ?   However, I doubt that any 
proposal has succeeded where the proposer has not been a member of this 
list, been actively reading the messages at least and probably been 
contributing as well.


The truth is that not all the "rules" are on the wiki, there is a huge 
quantity of community knowledge, not actual rules, and much of it is 
accessible via this list. We have a large number of very experienced  
database, rendering, mapping, cultural experts who live here (no, I'm 
not one!). They comment on a proposal and help a proposal comply with 
the OSM culture. Their "rules" are not written down as the document 
would run to 100's pages and we'd never agree on the content. Written 
rules have to cover every possible situation. Too hard.


This list is very welcoming, always open to new ideas and not, in any 
way, locked into particular policies. Within the list you will find 
widely differing views but always respect for others.


To solve your problem Thilo, you could do a number of things. Firstly, 
tags in OSM do not need be approved. I, personally don't recommend 
unapproved tags but lots will disagree with me. Alternatively, its 
relatively easy to put your own data, as an overlay, onto an OSM map. 
Keep you data privately or put it into one of the public POI databases. 
But really, I strongly recommend you keep trying as you are, refine and 
improve your proposal with the help of the mailing list, understand why 
OSM "rules" are what they are. You can then make a good tag, one that 
can be used around the world and rendered on lots of maps.


By the way, I would not recommend the digest approach, I found it harder 
to assign time to. Digest users, when replying, often seem to forget to 
change the message title and are not always taken seriously :-)


David




Am 06.03.2017 um 18:09 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:


2017-03-06 17:46 GMT+01:00 Michael Reichert >:


Hi Martin and others,

Am 2017-03-06 um 17:37 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> yes, that wording is unfortunate, because in most/many OSM
mailing lists
> messages never get approved. I am myself admin of a very small
regional ML
> and from time to time there are periods where a lot of spam
arrives, I can
> imagine checking held back messages in the big lists would be a
lot of work
> (and mostly consist in rejecting spam). You would also have to
do it daily,
> because after some time many messages will seem out of context.

I have changed the wording of the wiki page Proposal_Process today to
stress the necessity to subscribe the Tagging mailing list. Feel
free to
modify/revert it if you don't like it.



As you name me in person: I was not referring to the wording in the 
wiki but the wording of the mailing list autoresponder message in 
case someone not subscribed sends a message (and from the reply might 
get to the impression that it will pass, which it in fact almost 
never does for any of the OSM lists).


Cheers,
Martin


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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-06 Thread Thilo Haug 
I agree with Martin,
thanks anyway for your work in the wiki.

Is there someone we could contact to change the mail text ?
(To avoid this happens again to the next)

I (accidentally) unsubscribed because of the "spam" coming in,
means I didn't get just messages regarding the topic.
I assume others will possibly act similar.


Am 06.03.2017 um 18:09 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
>
> 2017-03-06 17:46 GMT+01:00 Michael Reichert  >:
>
> Hi Martin and others,
>
> Am 2017-03-06 um 17:37 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> > yes, that wording is unfortunate, because in most/many OSM
> mailing lists
> > messages never get approved. I am myself admin of a very small
> regional ML
> > and from time to time there are periods where a lot of spam
> arrives, I can
> > imagine checking held back messages in the big lists would be a
> lot of work
> > (and mostly consist in rejecting spam). You would also have to
> do it daily,
> > because after some time many messages will seem out of context.
>
> I have changed the wording of the wiki page Proposal_Process today to
> stress the necessity to subscribe the Tagging mailing list. Feel
> free to
> modify/revert it if you don't like it.
>
>
>
> As you name me in person: I was not referring to the wording in the
> wiki but the wording of the mailing list autoresponder message in case
> someone not subscribed sends a message (and from the reply might get
> to the impression that it will pass, which it in fact almost never
> does for any of the OSM lists).
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 
2017-03-06 17:46 GMT+01:00 Michael Reichert :

> Hi Martin and others,
>
> Am 2017-03-06 um 17:37 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> > yes, that wording is unfortunate, because in most/many OSM mailing lists
> > messages never get approved. I am myself admin of a very small regional
> ML
> > and from time to time there are periods where a lot of spam arrives, I
> can
> > imagine checking held back messages in the big lists would be a lot of
> work
> > (and mostly consist in rejecting spam). You would also have to do it
> daily,
> > because after some time many messages will seem out of context.
>
> I have changed the wording of the wiki page Proposal_Process today to
> stress the necessity to subscribe the Tagging mailing list. Feel free to
> modify/revert it if you don't like it.
>


As you name me in person: I was not referring to the wording in the wiki
but the wording of the mailing list autoresponder message in case someone
not subscribed sends a message (and from the reply might get to the
impression that it will pass, which it in fact almost never does for any of
the OSM lists).

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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-06 Thread Michael Reichert 
Hi Martin and others,

Am 2017-03-06 um 17:37 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> yes, that wording is unfortunate, because in most/many OSM mailing lists
> messages never get approved. I am myself admin of a very small regional ML
> and from time to time there are periods where a lot of spam arrives, I can
> imagine checking held back messages in the big lists would be a lot of work
> (and mostly consist in rejecting spam). You would also have to do it daily,
> because after some time many messages will seem out of context.

I have changed the wording of the wiki page Proposal_Process today to
stress the necessity to subscribe the Tagging mailing list. Feel free to
modify/revert it if you don't like it.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposal_process=history

Best regards

Michael


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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 
2017-03-06 0:14 GMT+01:00 Thilo Haug :

> That's how it looks like,
> but the email should also inform about this possibility.
>
> There should be either a text that it's necessary to resend it when
> subscribed to the list
> or a possibility (link) to check whether it meanwhile arrived.
>

yes, that wording is unfortunate, because in most/many OSM mailing lists
messages never get approved. I am myself admin of a very small regional ML
and from time to time there are periods where a lot of spam arrives, I can
imagine checking held back messages in the big lists would be a lot of work
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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-05 Thread Warin 
When I get that message (and I hope I have overcome the issue.. at least 
for now) it is because I sent the message from a non OSM registered 
email address.
I simply go to the web address and cancel that email .. and then repost 
from the my correct OSM email address ...
that should mean less work for the moderator (hi) and my message gets 
through quicker than waiting for review/approval.


Of more important (in my view) I have made extensive entries on the 
topic of friendly:motorcycle discussion page.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly


On 06-Mar-17 10:23 AM, Thilo Haug wrote:


"Process problems are a pain in the ass. You never, ever want to have 
process problems ...

That's when people start getting really angry at each other."
Linus Torvalds


Am 06.03.2017 um 00:08 schrieb John F. Eldredge:


It is possible that the moderator has a backlog of messages, and 
hasn't reviewed it yet.


On March 5, 2017 5:02:26 PM Thilo Haug  wrote:


There was an automatic reply, saying :

"Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
[...]
Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision."

But that doesn't mean to me the whole mail was "invalid" or won't 
reach the list at all

(didn't "receive notification of the moderator's decision")
I think the message text should be clarified or the process of 
checking those mails.


Betreff:Your message to Tagging awaits moderator approval
Datum:  Mon, 16 Jan 2017 23:46:37 +
Von:tagging-ow...@openstreetmap.org
An: th...@gmx.de



Your mail to 'Tagging' with the subject

 Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for
accomodations

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

 Post by non-member to a members-only list

Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
this posting, please visit the following URL:

 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/confirm/tagging/05723fa27000534321abf9935369c04e2a26adc1


Am 05.03.2017 um 23:46 schrieb David Bannon:


Maybe its time someone put a note on the proposal page saying that 
the author is posting to the list but does not appear to be 
receiving messages from it ?


In case its a language issue, could that message be in German and 
English perhaps ?


David


On 06/03/17 05:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:



sent from a phone

On 4 Mar 2017, at 16:50, Thilo Haug > wrote:



Please check where this mail has been gone, reason :
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-March/031403.html



maybe you haven't been subscribed with the email address from 
which it was sent by the time it was sent? You should have gotten 
an automatic reply in this case.



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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-05 Thread Thilo Haug 
"Process problems are a pain in the ass. You never, ever want to have
process problems ...
That's when people start getting really angry at each other."
Linus Torvalds


Am 06.03.2017 um 00:08 schrieb John F. Eldredge:
>
> It is possible that the moderator has a backlog of messages, and
> hasn't reviewed it yet.
>
> On March 5, 2017 5:02:26 PM Thilo Haug  wrote:
>
>> There was an automatic reply, saying :
>>
>> "Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>> [...]
>> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
>> notification of the moderator's decision."
>>
>> But that doesn't mean to me the whole mail was "invalid" or won't
>> reach the list at all
>> (didn't "receive notification of the moderator's decision")
>> I think the message text should be clarified or the process of
>> checking those mails.
>>
>> Betreff: Your message to Tagging awaits moderator approval
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>> An:  th...@gmx.de
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>>
>>
>> Your mail to 'Tagging' with the subject
>>
>> Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for
>> accomodations
>>
>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>>
>> The reason it is being held:
>>
>> Post by non-member to a members-only list
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>>
>> Am 05.03.2017 um 23:46 schrieb David Bannon:
>>>
>>> Maybe its time someone put a note on the proposal page saying that
>>> the author is posting to the list but does not appear to be
>>> receiving messages from it ?
>>>
>>> In case its a language issue, could that message be in German and
>>> English perhaps ?
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/03/17 05:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:


 sent from a phone

 On 4 Mar 2017, at 16:50, Thilo Haug > wrote:

> Please check where this mail has been gone, reason :
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 maybe you haven't been subscribed with the email address from which
 it was sent by the time it was sent? You should have gotten an
 automatic reply in this case.


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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-05 Thread Thilo Haug 
That's how it looks like,
but the email should also inform about this possibility.

There should be either a text that it's necessary to resend it when
subscribed to the list
or a possibility (link) to check whether it meanwhile arrived.


Am 06.03.2017 um 00:08 schrieb John F. Eldredge:
>
> It is possible that the moderator has a backlog of messages, and
> hasn't reviewed it yet.
>
> On March 5, 2017 5:02:26 PM Thilo Haug  wrote:
>
>> There was an automatic reply, saying :
>>
>> "Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>> [...]
>> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
>> notification of the moderator's decision."
>>
>> But that doesn't mean to me the whole mail was "invalid" or won't
>> reach the list at all
>> (didn't "receive notification of the moderator's decision")
>> I think the message text should be clarified or the process of
>> checking those mails.
>>
>> Betreff: Your message to Tagging awaits moderator approval
>> Datum:   Mon, 16 Jan 2017 23:46:37 +
>> Von: tagging-ow...@openstreetmap.org
>> An:  th...@gmx.de
>>
>>
>>
>> Your mail to 'Tagging' with the subject
>>
>> Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for
>> accomodations
>>
>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>>
>> The reason it is being held:
>>
>> Post by non-member to a members-only list
>>
>> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
>> notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
>> this posting, please visit the following URL:
>>
>> 
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/confirm/tagging/05723fa27000534321abf9935369c04e2a26adc1
>>
>>
>> Am 05.03.2017 um 23:46 schrieb David Bannon:
>>>
>>> Maybe its time someone put a note on the proposal page saying that
>>> the author is posting to the list but does not appear to be
>>> receiving messages from it ?
>>>
>>> In case its a language issue, could that message be in German and
>>> English perhaps ?
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/03/17 05:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:


 sent from a phone

 On 4 Mar 2017, at 16:50, Thilo Haug > wrote:

> Please check where this mail has been gone, reason :
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-March/031403.html


 maybe you haven't been subscribed with the email address from which
 it was sent by the time it was sent? You should have gotten an
 automatic reply in this case.


 cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-05 Thread John F. Eldredge 
It is possible that the moderator has a backlog of messages, and hasn't 
reviewed it yet.



On March 5, 2017 5:02:26 PM Thilo Haug  wrote:


There was an automatic reply, saying :

"Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
[...]
Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision."

But that doesn't mean to me the whole mail was "invalid" or won't reach
the list at all
(didn't "receive notification of the moderator's decision")
I think the message text should be clarified or the process of checking
those mails.

Betreff:Your message to Tagging awaits moderator approval
Datum:  Mon, 16 Jan 2017 23:46:37 +
Von:tagging-ow...@openstreetmap.org
An: th...@gmx.de



Your mail to 'Tagging' with the subject

Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for
accomodations

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

Post by non-member to a members-only list

Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
this posting, please visit the following URL:


https://lists.openstreetmap.org/confirm/tagging/05723fa27000534321abf9935369c04e2a26adc1


Am 05.03.2017 um 23:46 schrieb David Bannon:


Maybe its time someone put a note on the proposal page saying that the
author is posting to the list but does not appear to be receiving
messages from it ?

In case its a language issue, could that message be in German and
English perhaps ?

David


On 06/03/17 05:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:



sent from a phone

On 4 Mar 2017, at 16:50, Thilo Haug > wrote:


Please check where this mail has been gone, reason :
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-March/031403.html



maybe you haven't been subscribed with the email address from which
it was sent by the time it was sent? You should have gotten an
automatic reply in this case.


cheers,
Martin


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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-05 Thread Thilo Haug 
There was an automatic reply, saying :

"Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
[...]
Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision."

But that doesn't mean to me the whole mail was "invalid" or won't reach
the list at all
(didn't "receive notification of the moderator's decision")
I think the message text should be clarified or the process of checking
those mails.

Betreff:Your message to Tagging awaits moderator approval
Datum:  Mon, 16 Jan 2017 23:46:37 +
Von:tagging-ow...@openstreetmap.org
An: th...@gmx.de



Your mail to 'Tagging' with the subject

Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for
accomodations

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

Post by non-member to a members-only list

Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
this posting, please visit the following URL:


https://lists.openstreetmap.org/confirm/tagging/05723fa27000534321abf9935369c04e2a26adc1


Am 05.03.2017 um 23:46 schrieb David Bannon:
>
> Maybe its time someone put a note on the proposal page saying that the
> author is posting to the list but does not appear to be receiving
> messages from it ?
>
> In case its a language issue, could that message be in German and
> English perhaps ?
>
> David
>
>
> On 06/03/17 05:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>
>>
>> sent from a phone
>>
>> On 4 Mar 2017, at 16:50, Thilo Haug > > wrote:
>>
>>> Please check where this mail has been gone, reason :
>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-March/031403.html
>>
>>
>> maybe you haven't been subscribed with the email address from which
>> it was sent by the time it was sent? You should have gotten an
>> automatic reply in this case.
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>> Martin 
>>
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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-05 Thread Michael Reichert 
Hi David,

Am 05.03.2017 um 23:46 schrieb David Bannon:
> Maybe its time someone put a note on the proposal page saying that the
> author is posting to the list but does not appear to be receiving
> messages from it ?
> 
> In case its a language issue, could that message be in German and
> English perhaps ?

I got an answer from Thilo in English although I wrote him in German.
[1]The English did not look like Google Translator translating German to
English. ;-)

Best regards

Michael



[1] He uses the German locale on his computer and a gmx.de email
address, so German seems to be his preferred language.


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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-05 Thread David Bannon 
Maybe its time someone put a note on the proposal page saying that the 
author is posting to the list but does not appear to be receiving 
messages from it ?


In case its a language issue, could that message be in German and 
English perhaps ?


David


On 06/03/17 05:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:



sent from a phone

On 4 Mar 2017, at 16:50, Thilo Haug > wrote:



Please check where this mail has been gone, reason :
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-March/031403.html



maybe you haven't been subscribed with the email address from which it 
was sent by the time it was sent? You should have gotten an automatic 
reply in this case.



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Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 


sent from a phone

> On 4 Mar 2017, at 16:50, Thilo Haug  wrote:
> 
> Please check where this mail has been gone, reason :
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-March/031403.html


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[Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-04 Thread Thilo Haug 
Please check where this mail has been gone, reason :
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-March/031403.html

 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Betreff:Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for
accomodations
Datum:  Tue, 17 Jan 2017 00:46:19 +0100
Von:Thilo 
An: tagging@openstreetmap.org



Hello all,

please vote for this proposal :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly#Voting

In the discussion, there was just one proposal to use
motorcycle=designated instead, but I think most are not "designated".

To keep it simple, I'd just use yes/no

Thanks in advance for your support.

Cheers,
Thilo

 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Betreff:Feature Proposal - RFC - tag "motorcycle friendly" for
accomodations
Datum:  Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:08:10 +0100
Von:Thilo 
An: tagging@openstreetmap.org



Hello all,

please check this proposal :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly

Cheers,
Thilo

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