Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-09 Thread Marc Gemis
The German page for track [1] clearly states that the difference between a track and a unclassified road is in the usage. When it is used for forestry of by farmers (has to be signed as such if I understand it correctly), it's a track, no matter the surface. They do not mention highway=service

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 09.07.2015 um 01:57 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: In summary - it costs us nothing to treat these as a service road - and it gets us more detail at high zooms and more accurately reflects the road system as it exists - where the tracks are and aren't, and they

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-09 Thread johnw
On Jul 9, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I may be wrong, but I've always seen (rural) service roads as (typically relatively short) access ways I normally do too. But Alleys are sometimes a kilometer long, paralleling the major road. This idea is

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread Andrew Errington
Oh, and it's not really an alley, so I wouldn't tag it as such. A On 08/07/2015, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com wrote: We have something similar in Korea. I have been using (and recommending) highway=service. They're not really tracks, as they are proper roads, with a concrete or

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 08/07/2015, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.431238,139.246753,3a,78y,233.04h,65.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqk2OIIDRfkCjb8uqWNbkhw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1 To me this (along with the description) is highway=track tracktype=grade1. You can add surface, lanes, maxspeed,

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/8/2015 2:44 AM, Andrew Errington wrote: They're not really tracks, as they are proper roads, with a concrete or tarmac surface, But, they don't really go anywhere. Tracks can be paved - tracktype=grade1 normally is paved, or is built to equivalent quality.

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread Andrew Errington
I agree, but I based my choice on the description in the wiki. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservice On 08/07/2015, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: On 7/8/2015 2:44 AM, Andrew Errington wrote: They're not really tracks, as they are proper roads, with a concrete or tarmac

[Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread johnw
I live in Japan, where most of the flat land is covered in extremely mixed use cities and farm fields. Being an old asian country, there are tons and tons of old windy local roads that go everywhere, and being a first wold country, also a modern roadway system meant for cars. The modern roadway

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread Andrew Errington
We have something similar in Korea. I have been using (and recommending) highway=service. They're not really tracks, as they are proper roads, with a concrete or tarmac surface, But, they don't really go anywhere. I change the tags when the road actually becomes a track (two lines of worn dirt

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/8/2015 1:25 AM, johnw wrote: [trimmed] The issue is that these “small windy roads that go everywhere” go nowhere. the land they access is for farming the subdivided sections ... lead you on a tour of the local rice plots and hills. it is basically access for the farmers, which then have

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread johnw
We have something similar in Korea. I have been using (and recommending) highway=service. I can get behind that. On Jul 8, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: Tracks can be paved - tracktype=grade1 normally is paved, or is built to equivalent quality. This is vey

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread John Willis
Then why did they keep track+level1+paved at all? It's like calling it a motorway level 9. Its shoehorned into somewhere it doesn't belong. These roads may have a similar purpose - local access - but the grade of the road is completely out of the category I would ever call a track. There are

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread John Eldredge
I have seen some people insist that highway=track only be used if the landuse Is farmland, but not if the land is covered by bushes or trees because no cultivation is taking place. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: very rough construction Most of these are in very good condition, comparable to the residential or unclassified roads. They are well made and well maintained, besides the summer overgrowth that grows too

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2015, at 6:03 AM, John Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I have seen some people insist that highway=track only be used if the landuse Is farmland, but not if the land is covered by bushes or trees because no cultivation is taking place. That is weird as

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread Andrew Errington
I looked at that street view. To me, the way ahead (slightly to the left) is highway=track. The roads to the left, right and behind are highway=service. A On 8 July 2015 at 19:27, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: We have something similar in Korea. I have been using (and recommending)

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com wrote: highway=track Yes, it is where a grade 3(?) track meets the service roads. ^_^ Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread Warin
On 9/07/2015 7:03 AM, John Willis wrote: Then why did they keep track+level1+paved at all? It's like calling it a motorway level 9. Its shoehorned into somewhere it doesn't belong. These roads may have a similar purpose - local access - but the grade of the road is completely out of the