Re: [Tagging] highway=service major type sub-classification - mini vote

2016-05-06 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 18, 2016, at 2:39 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > in Italy there are many alleys in historical village and urban centers, > sometimes they are footways (legally) but often they are just narrow streets, > so narrow that a car often won't pass, but a

Re: [Tagging] highway=service major type sub-classification - mini vote

2016-04-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Il giorno 21 apr 2016, alle ore 08:23, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> ha scritto: >> as we are talking about a highway=service, vehicle access is clearly implied. > > But not necessarily for all vehicles. then you'll have to add access tags cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] highway=service major type sub-classification - mini vote

2016-04-21 Thread Warin
On 21/04/2016 3:56 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Il giorno 21 apr 2016, alle ore 00:00, ael ha scritto: Maybe we can agree that it means vehicle access possible, even if that is not always the local understanding. But it needs to be stated on

Re: [Tagging] highway=service major type sub-classification - mini vote

2016-04-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 21 apr 2016, alle ore 07:01, Jaakko Helleranta > ha scritto: > > places means a way that is inaccessible with a car -- such alleys that one > can't drive a car (or other four wheel vehicle, perhaps ATVs excluded?) > should simply be

Re: [Tagging] highway=service major type sub-classification - mini vote

2016-04-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 21 apr 2016, alle ore 00:00, ael ha > scritto: > > Maybe we can agree that it means vehicle > access possible, even if that is not always the local understanding. > But it needs to be stated on the wiki page if that is agreed. as we

Re: [Tagging] highway=service major type sub-classification - mini vote

2016-04-20 Thread ael
On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 05:35:21PM +0100, Chris Hill wrote: > >>In en_US, alley is generally a road where you can drive, but which is so > >Here British usage is different. You can seldom drive on a alley. It > I don't entirely agree with your idea about alleys in the UK. We often have > a

Re: [Tagging] highway=service major type sub-classification - mini vote

2016-04-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Il giorno 17 apr 2016, alle ore 17:33, ael ha scritto: >> In en_US, alley is generally a road where you can drive, but which is so > > Here British usage is different. You can seldom drive on a alley. It > may be the historical root is the same:

Re: [Tagging] highway=service major type sub-classification - mini vote

2016-04-17 Thread Chris Hill
On 17/04/16 16:33, ael wrote: In en_US, alley is generally a road where you can drive, but which is so Here British usage is different. You can seldom drive on a alley. It may be the historical root is the same: in the days of narrow horse-drawn vehicles, maybe an alley would allow passage and

Re: [Tagging] highway=service major type sub-classification - mini vote

2016-04-17 Thread ael
On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 09:31:05AM -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: > > > I seldom use a service subtag except parking_aisle because I don't > > quite know what "driveway" or "alley" means. I am a GB native English > > speaker. > > These are not defined on the Key:service page. In GB English, an alley

Re: [Tagging] highway=service major type sub-classification - mini vote

2016-04-17 Thread Greg Troxel
ael writes: > On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:32:14PM +0200, Tom Pfeifer wrote: >> Michał Brzozowski wrote on 2016/04/16 20:03: >> >I think you miss the point. When there's no service key, you have no >> >idea whether it doesn't fit in the current set of (parking_aisle, >>

Re: [Tagging] highway=service major type sub-classification - mini vote

2016-04-17 Thread ael
On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:32:14PM +0200, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > Michał Brzozowski wrote on 2016/04/16 20:03: > >I think you miss the point. When there's no service key, you have no > >idea whether it doesn't fit in the current set of (parking_aisle, > >driveway...), or it is indeed but hasn't been

Re: [Tagging] highway=service major type sub-classification - mini vote

2016-04-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 16 apr 2016, alle ore 20:03, Michał Brzozowski > ha scritto: > > I think you miss the point. When there's no service key, you have no > idea whether it doesn't fit in the current set of (parking_aisle, > driveway...), or it is indeed but

Re: [Tagging] highway=service major type sub-classification - mini vote

2016-04-16 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Michał Brzozowski wrote on 2016/04/16 20:03: I think you miss the point. When there's no service key, you have no idea whether it doesn't fit in the current set of (parking_aisle, driveway...), or it is indeed but hasn't been tagged because the mapper didn't provide this information. It's an

Re: [Tagging] highway=service major type sub-classification - mini vote

2016-04-16 Thread Michał Brzozowski
I think you miss the point. When there's no service key, you have no idea whether it doesn't fit in the current set of (parking_aisle, driveway...), or it is indeed but hasn't been tagged because the mapper didn't provide this information. It's an informational consistency problem, peculiarity of

Re: [Tagging] highway=service major type sub-classification - mini vote

2016-04-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 15 apr 2016, alle ore 13:40, Tom Pfeifer > ha scritto: > > Values for mini-vote: > > service=main > service=access > service=major main and major seem a bit odd (after all, service roads are minor roads, so that would be a "major

[Tagging] highway=service major type sub-classification - mini vote

2016-04-15 Thread Tom Pfeifer
We had a discussion here in March about introducing a new value for the service=* sub-tag of a highway=service, classifying it as a generic major service way category, in contrast to minor values such as service=parking_aisle or service=driveway or service=drive-through. Data consumers already