[Tagging] proposal - camp_site= Voting ends soon

2015-05-10 Thread David Bannon
Approaching close of vote on this proposed feature. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Camp_Site We currently have - 8 approvals 1 reject 2 abstains The 'reject' notes some use of camp_site=pitch already and suggests a conflict. If we accept that, it has implication for how

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site= Voting on the 28th

2015-04-29 Thread Warin
On 26/04/2015 10:45 AM, David Bannon wrote: OK, I think we have talked this topic just about to death. I propose to turn on voting on Tuesday, 28th April. So please, if you have some further improvements, get in now ! Thanks folks for all your help with this. Its been a great example of

[Tagging] proposal - camp_site= Voting is now open.

2015-04-28 Thread David Bannon
OK folks, everyone has had every chance to tell us what is wrong with this proposal, its now open for voting. We have talked and talked ! Lets vote now please ! https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Camp_Site David ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site= Voting on the 28th

2015-04-25 Thread David Bannon
OK, I think we have talked this topic just about to death. I propose to turn on voting on Tuesday, 28th April. So please, if you have some further improvements, get in now ! Thanks folks for all your help with this. Its been a great example of worrying away at a problem until its as good as it

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-23 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:40 PM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Thu, 2015-04-23 at 15:16 +0900, johnw wrote: That’s why I thought informal yet legal spots would be good wording to cover this, and maybe link over to the camp_type proposal here - because

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-23 Thread David Bannon
Jan, are you going to have another try at camp_type= ? I think the term non-designated was a contributor to it struggling. Trouble is, the idea you have here is an important one but one its quite hard to get your head around. David On Thu, 2015-04-23 at 05:05 +, Jan van Bekkum wrote: My

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-23 Thread David Bannon
On Fri, 2015-04-24 at 06:47 +0900, John Willis wrote: I don't want people to map known illegal camp sites or places they just happened to spend the night and think are nice but are on a farmers private property just to complete the map, as map the ground truth means mapping

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-23 Thread johnw
On Apr 23, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com wrote: that have not been defined as campground, but that are used as such for different reasons. That’s why I thought informal yet legal spots would be good wording to cover this, and maybe link over to the camp_type

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-23 Thread David Bannon
On Thu, 2015-04-23 at 15:16 +0900, johnw wrote: That’s why I thought informal yet legal spots would be good wording to cover this, and maybe link over to the camp_type proposal here - because with the wording for basic, the first thing I thought about was the legality or designation of the

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-23 Thread Dave Swarthout
Good point David. Alaska has that same situation. One can camp pretty much anywhere on public lands. With the exception of parks and native holdings, Alaska is primarily public land. On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 7:40 AM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Thu, 2015-04-23 at 15:16 +0900,

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-23 Thread John Willis
Seems great ! Javbw On Apr 24, 2015, at 9:52 AM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Fri, 2015-04-24 at 06:47 +0900, John Willis wrote: I don't want people to map known illegal camp sites or places they just happened to spend the night and think are nice but are on a

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-23 Thread Jan van Bekkum
Dave, I wasn't intending to have another try at camp_type=*. We'll leave on our next trip in less than two weeks from now, so I don't have the time. I also will be not able to complete another voting cycle until I'll be without decent internet again. Furthermore I haven't seen better proposals

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-22 Thread David Bannon
OK, I think the discussion on camp_site= has settled down and now concentrates on things that are just outside the current proposal and probably need to stay there for now. Thoughts, yes, no ? I have mentioned on the proposal page tagging of individual pitches and declared that out of scope for

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-22 Thread Jan van Bekkum
My understanding is that this proposal is about sites that have been defined as campground. The purpose of the proposal that triggered this discussion ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/camp_type%3D*) was to cover places that have not been defined as campground, but that are

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-22 Thread John Willis
I had a question about basic - I understand it's amenity level (flat spot + access) but the legality bit being the only qualifier: Would it just be for places that are somehow signed as for camping(designated), places where camping is legal and common (informal [yet legally allowed] existing

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-22 Thread Marc Gemis
People can fudge the common to mean what they want, but without it, in some places that could mean every single roadside turnout could be marked as a campground - which would not be so helpful. which could become a problem in Sweden :-) since it is Legal to put up your tent almost

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-21 Thread Dave Swarthout
Would it not be ok to say (eg) - tourism=camp_site camp_site=basic backcountry=yes That's exactly what I was proposing. It isn't a tag describing the amenities of the camp so much as to indicate that it is a certain type of camp, one not accessible by vehcles. In New Zealand I believe these

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 21.04.2015 um 00:27 schrieb David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net: Dave, do you think that the characteristics of 'backcountry' overlap with the more generic 'basic' ? isn't this something describing the general context rather than a particular attribute to a distinct feature? Do

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-20 Thread Dave Swarthout
I was doing some mapping in Michigan and noticed that the National Park Service uses the tag backcountry=yes to indicate remote or primitive camping areas. I think it needs to be added it to the list of related tags in this proposal. There are 1300 of these tags existing presently. It might also

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-19 Thread David Bannon
On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 09:02 +1000, Warin wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Camp_Site My comment. Any reason for the colours? Honestly, no, I prefer the (eg) map makers determined what suits them best. Quite happy to swap as you suggest but wonder if the proposal

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-19 Thread Warin
On 18/04/2015 3:52 PM, David Bannon wrote: Folks, to revisit a topic that had lots of discussion last month ! I have updated the proposal page for camp_site=[basic; standard; serviced; delux]. I now avoid the question of how to tag multiple instances of (eg) amenity on the one node, area.

[Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

2015-04-17 Thread David Bannon
Folks, to revisit a topic that had lots of discussion last month ! I have updated the proposal page for camp_site=[basic; standard; serviced; delux]. I now avoid the question of how to tag multiple instances of (eg) amenity on the one node, area. People seem to have strong but conflicting views