Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-26 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
If a building is all one address, I see no reason not to tag the building outline. If there are multiple addresses, then nodes are a good way to go. Both schemes are in use. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Pet Relief Areas

2015-05-26 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/05/2015 3:23 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: While the names are confusing, the concepts seem to

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-26 Thread Ross
Your still missing the point. Depending on the country, state, area the address does not necessarily refer to the building. In Australia the address refers to the property ie the plot of ground that is defined by the cadastral plan. So those plots of ground may be 600 sq m or 1,000,000

Re: [Tagging] Pet Relief Areas

2015-05-26 Thread Dave Swarthout
I have not followed this discussion so must ask, is this dog relief area a place where dogs and other pets can leave excrement? On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/05/2015 3:23

Re: [Tagging] Pet Relief Areas

2015-05-26 Thread Warin
On 27/05/2015 9:16 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: And more parking: trolley_parking (near supermarkets) pram_parking Umbrella coat And anything else we might need to park. Wheelchairs, mobility scooter, motorbikes... You do not park a horse! Nor a dog.

Re: [Tagging] Pet Relief Areas

2015-05-26 Thread Marc Gemis
The function is akin to car parking and bicycle parking. Sticking with that theme, we'd get dog parking and horse parking. A sign labelled 'dog park' tagged as dog parking has obvious links but the to tag a dog park sign with 'hitching rail' breaks the similarity - a similarity that would

Re: [Tagging] Pet Relief Areas

2015-05-26 Thread Marc Gemis
No, it's about (e.g.) a metal bar outside a shop where a dog chained while the owner is inside. Mike posted some pictures earlier on. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:27 AM, Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com wrote: I have not followed this discussion so must ask, is this dog relief area a place

Re: [Tagging] Pet Relief Areas

2015-05-26 Thread Warin
On 26/05/2015 3:23 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com mailto:bry...@obviously.com wrote: While the names are confusing, the concepts seem to be: 1) Hitching racks for

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

2015-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 25.05.2015 um 20:58 schrieb Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: Creating a wikidata object out of a wikipedia article is a non issue. You just get an object with no attributes, only a link to the article. Even articles like Wikipedia disambiguation pages have wikidata objects:

Re: [Tagging] Airport power and USB stations

2015-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 25.05.2015 um 17:18 schrieb Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com: amenity=charging_station fee=no access=public socket:USB=yes socket:typeb=yes motor_vehicle=no There are currently only 7 socket:typeb=* in the world including the 6 I just added and a similar number of

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

2015-05-26 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 26 May 2015 at 00:35, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: On 25/05/2015, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 25 May 2015 at 22:18, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: How do you link to a wikidata label in an OSM tag ? One that never suffers from renaming ? As

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

2015-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 26.05.2015 um 11:11 schrieb Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: a hotel that includes a restaurant. OSM uses two objects from the begining, both linked to the single wikidata article that talks about the hotel as a whole. OSM should only link the hotel item to the Wikipedia

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

2015-05-26 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 26 May 2015 at 10:25, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: how can you edit wikidata? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Introduction -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

2015-05-26 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 26/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: My main concern with wikidata for the moment: it's mostly as fuzzy as Wikipedia is - because the objects are not created by humans but conversions of articles. Using only wikidata would mean we are sure that wikidata will be a

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

2015-05-26 Thread Jo
I wouldn't deprecate the wikipedia tags either. They give a human readable form of what is hopefully the same item on WD. I only hope that we won't stop at adding only the WP tags. Also I don't think anybody is adding name:etymology:wikipedia tags, but we do have name:etymology:wikidata So a

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-26 Thread Warin
On 26/05/2015 6:11 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 25.05.2015 um 17:53 schrieb pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: CONGRATULATIONS ! You win the award for the best puzzle of the year! It appears to be a loose numbering system for identifying entrances rather than properties. that's

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

2015-05-26 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 26 May 2015 at 10:36, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 26.05.2015 um 11:11 schrieb Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: a hotel that includes a restaurant. OSM uses two objects from the begining, both linked to the single wikidata article that talks about the hotel

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

2015-05-26 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 26/05/2015, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: You don't link to a Wikidata label, you link to a Wikidata item. QED, you can only use wikidata IDs such as Q936 in OSM tags, which is much less userfriendly than the wikipedia equivalent. You brought wikidata labels to the discussion;

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

2015-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 25.05.2015 um 21:18 schrieb Thorsten Alge li...@thorsten-alge.de: Since wikipedia migrated the interwikilinks (the link which are connecting the article in language a of something to all other articles in a different language about that same topic) it is where you get links to

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

2015-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 26.05.2015 um 12:08 schrieb Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Introduction Thank you for this pointer, it's appreciated. Are there definitions for the properties? I have had a look at the examples and landed here:

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

2015-05-26 Thread Janko Mihelić
uto, 26. svi 2015. 11:20 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com je napisao: yes, basically at the moment wikidata entities have almost the same issues as wp articles have (because they have been created from the articles) with the advantage of the capability of better handling of name

Re: [Tagging] Wiki: Key:level: proposed rewrite

2015-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Level should be the layers relative to the (lowest) ground, regardless of how that's defined in the building, for consistency sake. As often as not here, 1 is either the second floor off the ground or the ground floor, with G being Ground. Granted, this gets a little tricker, with complex

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

2015-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 26.05.2015 um 12:46 schrieb Jo winfi...@gmail.com: Also I don't think anybody is adding name:etymology:wikipedia tags, but we do have name:etymology:wikidata there are a few tags like that: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=%3Awikipedia I agree that wikidata is better for

Re: [Tagging] Wiki: Key:level: proposed rewrite

2015-05-26 Thread wp4587
-- Original message --From: ba...@ursamundi.orgSent: 26/05/2015 12:07To: tagging@openstreetmap.orgSubject: Re: [Tagging] Wiki: Key:level: proposed rewriteLevel should be the layers relative to the (lowest) ground, regardless of how thats defined in the building, for consistency sake.  As often

[Tagging] Future of categories (was: Re: Deprecating wikipedia Tag)

2015-05-26 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 26.05.2015 12:46, Jo napisał(a): So a usecase: Say you want to locate all the streets and other objects named after 17th century Dutch painters, worldwide. You could start by finding the painters from wikidata, then use the Overpass API to do a regular expression search with all the

Re: [Tagging] Wiki: Key:level: proposed rewrite

2015-05-26 Thread John Eldredge
Did you forget to add any comments? On May 26, 2015 6:58:49 AM wp4...@gmail.com wrote: ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Future of categories (was: Re: Deprecating wikipedia Tag)

2015-05-26 Thread Janko Mihelić
I think we need a separate instalation of wikibase on our wiki. No need to fork wikibase. Then we can organize our tags in categories, subcategories, relations to outside data like wikidata and so on. Not only that, but make that wikibase a sort of an API to our tags. For example, if a data

Re: [Tagging] Future of categories

2015-05-26 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 26.05.2015 20:06, Janko Mihelić wrote: I think we need a separate instalation of wikibase on our wiki. A wikibase installation on wiki.osm.org would be really useful, in many different ways. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Future of categories (was: Re: Deprecating wikipedia Tag)

2015-05-26 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 26 May 2015 at 13:01, Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl wrote: So a usecase: Say you want to locate all the streets and other objects named after 17th century Dutch painters, worldwide. You could start by finding the painters from wikidata, then use the Overpass API to do a regular expression

[Tagging] Future of categories

2015-05-26 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 26.05.2015 16:54, Andy Mabbett napisał(a): On 26 May 2015 at 13:01, Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl wrote: Wikidata alone may be problematic, because it's independent project, Why would that be a problem? If you start rely on something, it's good if you have some control of it and if it

Re: [Tagging] Pet Relief Areas

2015-05-26 Thread pmailkeey .
On 26 May 2015 at 07:33, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/05/2015 3:23 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: While the names are confusing, the concepts seem to be:

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-26 Thread Colin Smale
Mike, you are missing the point... A building and an address are two different things. A building may have 0 to N addresses. An address may or may not refer to a building. The business rules to link the two concepts vary by country. An address is not usually a unique identifier of a building -

Re: [Tagging] Future of categories (was: Re: Deprecating wikipedia Tag)

2015-05-26 Thread David Bannon
On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 18:06 +, Janko Mihelić wrote: I think we need a separate instalation of wikibase on our wiki. No need to fork wikibase. Then we can organize our tags in categories, subcategories, relations to outside data like wikidata and so on. Yep, great concept, could be OSM

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-26 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/26/15 6:56 PM, pmailkeey . wrote: Building addresses shouldn't be on nodes. Named entrances can be - on ent/exit nodes. if building addresses shouldn't be on nodes, what are we to make of the address interpolation feature? richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking -

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-26 Thread pmailkeey .
On 26 May 2015 at 09:11, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 25.05.2015 um 17:53 schrieb pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: CONGRATULATIONS ! You win the award for the best puzzle of the year! It appears to be a loose numbering system for identifying entrances

Re: [Tagging] Pet Relief Areas

2015-05-26 Thread pmailkeey .
And more parking: trolley_parking (near supermarkets) pram_parking Umbrella coat And anything else we might need to park. Wheelchairs, mobility scooter, motorbikes... -- Mike. @millomweb https://sites.google.com/site/millomweb/index/introduction - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland

Re: [Tagging] Airport power and USB stations

2015-05-26 Thread pmailkeey .
On 26 May 2015 at 18:32, Andrew Guertin andrew.guer...@uvm.edu wrote: On 05/23/2015 12:47 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: In the meantime I have tagged those areas with amenity=charging_station until we resolve this question. By going against the documentation, you are breaking the data for

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-26 Thread pmailkeey .
On 27 May 2015 at 00:06, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Mike, you are missing the point... A building and an address are two different things. A building may have 0 to N addresses. An address may or may not refer to a building. The business rules to link the two concepts vary by

Re: [Tagging] Airport power and USB stations

2015-05-26 Thread Andrew Guertin
On 05/23/2015 12:47 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: In the meantime I have tagged those areas with amenity=charging_station until we resolve this question. By going against the documentation, you are breaking the data for consumers that follow the documentation. At the very least Osmand 2.0.4