Re: [Tagging] Use of oneway=yes on waterways

2016-09-18 Thread Dave F
On 17/09/2016 16:05, Colin Smale wrote: So saying you can only map these short restrictions by creating a route relation for the whole length sounds a bit excessive to me. I never said any such thing. Router relations are preferable so many reasons. Disappointing you're unaware of that. Da

Re: [Tagging] Use of oneway=yes on waterways

2016-09-18 Thread Colin Smale
Sorry if I misinterpreted you. I understand all about route relations, but the fact remains they are not in place everywhere. They are not essential for navigation, but oneway restrictions are. If you are so disappointed that I am unaware of the so many reasons why route relations are preferable

Re: [Tagging] Use of oneway=yes on waterways

2016-09-18 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 17/09/2016 23:08, Colin Smale wrote: Martin, are you suggesting to drop the convention for the way direction that it goes with the flow? Or are you OK with oneway=reverse? Values such as "yes", "forward", "reverse", "-1", etc are all meaningless to those who actually navigate the waterways.

Re: [Tagging] Use of oneway=yes on waterways

2016-09-18 Thread Colin Smale
Malcom, the values for "oneway" and all the "forward" and "backward" subkey business are geometric directions related to the order of the nodes in the OSM way, and not (always) linked to geographical concepts. Nobody navigates based on raw OSM data, on the roads or on the water. The values have to

Re: [Tagging] Abusing name tags on type=route

2016-09-18 Thread Mike N
On 9/18/2016 1:11 AM, Michael Tsang wrote: the use of name=* key on a public transport route is considered an abuse (unless the route has a real name). However, without abusing the name tag, the life is difficult for both the mapper and the user. I proceed with the 'abuse'. It's one thing t

Re: [Tagging] Use of oneway=yes on waterways

2016-09-18 Thread Aun Johnsen
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 09:00, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: > > How could the concept of upstream and downstream be applied to canals > and lakes? Open, and non-flowing waterways have a direction of buoyage, that can be interpreted as direction of flow. This system is defined per cou

Re: [Tagging] Use of oneway=yes on waterways

2016-09-18 Thread Aun Johnsen
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 10:50, Aun Johnsen wrote: > > >> On Sep 18, 2016, at 09:00, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: >> >> How could the concept of upstream and downstream be applied to canals >> and lakes? > > Open, and non-flowing waterways have a direction of buoyage, that can be >

Re: [Tagging] Use of oneway=yes on waterways

2016-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 18 set 2016, alle ore 12:00, Malcolm Herring > ha scritto: > > Values such as "yes", "forward", "reverse", "-1", etc are all meaningless to > those who actually navigate the waterways. As Aun said, the commonly > understood terms are "upstream" & "downstream".

Re: [Tagging] Use of oneway=yes on waterways

2016-09-18 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 18/09/2016 11:14, Colin Smale wrote: the values for "oneway" and all the "forward" and "backward" subkey business are geometric directions related to the order of the nodes in the OSM way, This is a dangerous dependency - if the way is reversed by another mapper, the all "oneway" tags becom

Re: [Tagging] Use of oneway=yes on waterways

2016-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 18 set 2016, alle ore 16:35, Malcolm Herring > ha scritto: > > This is a dangerous dependency - if the way is reversed by another mapper, > the all "oneway" tags become invalid. common osm editing software is caring for these dependencies and suggesting to r

Re: [Tagging] Use of oneway=yes on waterways

2016-09-18 Thread Colin Smale
Maybe, but it's a dependency that has existed for years. It is understood by "most mappers" (I know this is a generalisation) and is supported to some extent by many editing and other tools. //colin On 18 September 2016 16:35:44 CEST, Malcolm Herring wrote: >On 18/09/2016 11:14, Colin Smale w

Re: [Tagging] Use of oneway=yes on waterways

2016-09-18 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 18/09/2016 15:35, Malcolm Herring wrote: On 18/09/2016 11:14, Colin Smale wrote: the values for "oneway" and all the "forward" and "backward" subkey business are geometric directions related to the order of the nodes in the OSM way, This is a dangerous dependency - if the way is reversed by

Re: [Tagging] Abusing name tags on type=route

2016-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 18 set 2016, alle ore 07:11, Michael Tsang ha > scritto: > > How should we cope with the situation like this use the "note" key cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstr

Re: [Tagging] Use of oneway=yes on waterways

2016-09-18 Thread Dave F
On 18/09/2016 15:35, Malcolm Herring wrote: This is a dangerous dependency - if the way is reversed by another mapper, the all "oneway" tags become invalid. All tags depend on other tags. If any tag is changed from being correct, data will become "invalid" Dave F. ___

Re: [Tagging] Abusing name tags on type=route

2016-09-18 Thread Craig Wallace
On 2016-09-18 16:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Il giorno 18 set 2016, alle ore 07:11, Michael Tsang mailto:mikl...@gmail.com>> ha scritto: How should we cope with the situation like this use the "note" key Or the "description" key, if it is something that may be usefu

Re: [Tagging] Typo fix for tunnel=building_passage and how to proceed in the future

2016-09-18 Thread LeTopographeFou
Thank you Dave and sorry if I've been so strict :-). FYI: I've made the fix, plus some others to clean a little bit the tunnel values. Everything is explained here: * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/LeTopographeFou#.23002_-_Typos_with_tunnel.3Dbuilding_passage * http://w

Re: [Tagging] Abusing name tags on type=route

2016-09-18 Thread Mike N
On 9/18/2016 11:28 AM, Craig Wallace wrote: use the "note" key Or the "description" key, if it is something that may be useful for the end user, ie displaying in an app. Neither note nor description display when browsing an OSM changeset. ___ Tag

Re: [Tagging] Abusing name tags on type=route

2016-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 18 set 2016, alle ore 19:44, Mike N ha scritto: > > Neither note nor description display when browsing an OSM changeset. maybe this can be fixed, at least note is displayed in josm in case name is void cheers, Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] Abusing name tags on type=route

2016-09-18 Thread Éric Gillet
2016-09-18 19:44 GMT+02:00 Mike N : > On 9/18/2016 11:28 AM, Craig Wallace wrote: > >> use the "note" key >>> >> >> Or the "description" key, if it is something that may be useful for the >> end user, ie displaying in an app. >> > > Neither note nor description display when browsing an OSM change

Re: [Tagging] tunnel=building_passage or covered=yes

2016-09-18 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 11.09.2016 12:46, Dave F wrote: But it's *not a tunnel* Before there was any dedicated tag for it, many people mapped it as tunnel=yes, so people definitely appear to intuitively consider it tunnel-like. (Perhaps that's also a language issue, not sure.) That's why the new value was also

Re: [Tagging] lit=yes, but with luminous discs built into the path

2016-09-18 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 17.09.2016 23:07, Warin wrote: lit=yes lit:intensity=dim/ambient/day_light lit:type=led/halogon lit:layer=0/1/2 Before you invent a detailed tagging schema from scratch, consider basing this on the light_source schema instead: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:light