Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

2018-03-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-03-09 19:24 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson : > Big box refers to the building form factor. > +1, big box is a building typology (literally a big box, usually freestanding and surrounded by huge parking lots, with some mega-retail inside). Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

2018-03-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mar 9, 2018 00:17, "Johnparis" wrote: Typically they will, for example, sell detergent in boxes of 5 kg instead of 1 kg. Or a liter of ketchup. Hence the (USA) term "big box". So they are "wholesale-sized" but not wholesale in the sense of their sales mechanism. (The wholesale=* tag is for who

Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

2018-03-08 Thread Johnparis
wholesale=* (not wholesaler=*) is in the never-approved shop=wholesale proposal and has 677 usages. https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/wholesale#values Perhaps a wiki entry for wholesale=* is needed, with cross-references between that and shop=wholesale On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 6:55 PM, Paul A

Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

2018-03-08 Thread Johnparis
Regarding Althio's comment: This is exactly the sort of confusion caused by using the word "wholesale" in shop=wholesale. These are not wholesalers. They are retailers who use the word "wholesale" as a marketing tool. (Even if the parent company has wholesale activities, these particular premises

Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

2018-03-07 Thread Thilo Haug OSM
I agree with those statements : What they sell (e.g. clothes, groceries, only in bulk packaging) or if access is restricted (specific times, only certain group of people) are separate concerns *and should be tagged separately*. Am 06.03.2018 um 18:55 schrieb Paul Allen: We already make a distinct

Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

2018-03-06 Thread althio
I am happy with shop=wholesale and would prefer to change slightly the definitions and descriptions ["A place selling products or services", no mention of retail] on pages https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shops https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shop

Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

2018-03-06 Thread osm.tagging
dy exist. Cheers, Thorsten From: Johnparis [mailto:ok...@johnfreed.com] Sent: Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:10 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

2018-03-06 Thread osm.tagging
...@johnfreed.com] Sent: Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:10 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value Must agree with Thorsten and Stefano. The proposal referenced by Martin is just that: a proposal. From 2011

Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

2018-03-06 Thread Johnparis
e US, membership open to > anyone without restrictions. Same for Sam’s Club and others I think). > > > > Cheers, > > Thorsten > > > > *From:* Martin Koppenhoefer [mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, 7 March 2018 03:40 > *To:* Tag discussion, strat

Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

2018-03-06 Thread osm.tagging
] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value 2018-02-28 15:49 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes mailto:p...@trigpoint.me.uk> >: Wholesale primarily sells to trade customers, rather than retail. Many will refuse to sell to normal retail customers. indeed. Now, this

Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

2018-03-06 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:39 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Any more opinions how to handle it? Would we better "kick out" wholesale > from shop or change the definition for shop? > My feeling, as an English speaker, is that a wholesaler is not a retailer, and that shop=wholesale is a contradict

Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

2018-03-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-02-28 15:49 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes : > Wholesale primarily sells to trade customers, rather than retail. > > Many will refuse to sell to normal retail customers. > indeed. Now, this conflict doesn't seem to interest many people, besides you there was only one commenter here. Any more opin

Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

2018-02-28 Thread Philip Barnes
Wholesale primarily sells to trade customers, rather than retail. Many will refuse to sell to normal retail customers. Phil (trigpoint) On 28 February 2018 12:30:38 GMT+00:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >2018-02-28 10:48 GMT+01:00 Stefano : > >> Where did you read that?? >> >> https://wiki.o

Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

2018-02-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-02-28 10:48 GMT+01:00 Stefano : > Where did you read that?? > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/wholesale > the proposal is even clearer: "A wholesale dealer sells large stock of items, usually to other shop owners and resellers." Cheers, Martin _

Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

2018-02-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-02-28 10:48 GMT+01:00 Stefano : > > > 2018-02-28 10:39 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > >> The wiki states that a shop is a place selling retail goods or services. >> The value shop=wholesale, almost 1000 uses, is not fitting into this >> definition. What shall we do? >> > > Where did you re

Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

2018-02-28 Thread Stefano
2018-02-28 10:39 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > The wiki states that a shop is a place selling retail goods or services. > The value shop=wholesale, almost 1000 uses, is not fitting into this > definition. What shall we do? > Where did you read that?? I see on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wi