Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-02-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 31 gen 2020, alle ore 17:58, Jmapb ha scritto: > > In neither case would I say that adding an old_ref or old_name tag is > wrong per se, but I doubt that it would ever be particularly helpful. I am using the old_ref tag occasionally, it doesn’t harm and could

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-31 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 2:57 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > There's an 'Old Route 28' in New Hampshire, too - same thing, regular > old street signs, no shields. Bing's picture is a bit better on that > one https://binged.it/2vETto1 Pan around to look south and you can > see the regular old NH 28

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-31 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:58 AM Jmapb wrote: > Other sections are further removed and have their own road signs (long > green street signs, not highway shields) that say "OLD ROUTE 28". House > and business addresses use Old Route 28 as the street name. These ways > should definitely keep the

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-31 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 15:23:59 -0600 Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:15 PM Kevin Kenny > wrote: > > > Oh, and a further corner case: Are we agreed that something like > > "Old Route 7" has become a name? It's no longer a ref, because > > Route 7 is now elsewhere. It appears on

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-31 Thread Jmapb
On 1/31/2020 11:56 AM, Jmapb wrote: They don't have their own street signs, and addresses along them will be 12345 Route 28 (or 12345 State Route 28, or 12345 State Highway 28, or 12345 NY 28... poorly standardized.) There might be a case for removing the name= from these, maybe even tagging

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-31 Thread marc marc
Le 30.01.20 à 23:51, Warin a écrit : > comment=local name is used verbally, not on signs as yet.' unsigned=name or unsigned=yes ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-31 Thread Jmapb
On 1/30/2020 6:22 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: Uhm. It looks pretty much like any other `highway=unclassified`. The signs say 'Old Route 7' in the style the township uses for rural roads. There are no shields or chaining markers to indicate that it's a state highway. And it's been called, 'Old Route

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 5:42 PM Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > "Old Route 7" or "Old Highway 7" etc might be used as the actual name of > the remaining street after the highway is realigned to run elsewhere. > I've seen this happen in Texas a lot. Yup. It happens near me, too, and it's the situation

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Warin
old_name=Old Route 7 ... perhaps this should more correctly be old_name=Route 7 If it does not appear on signs but locals refer to it as such then local_name=Old Route 7 And then add 'comment=local name is used verbally, not on signs as yet.' ??? On 31/1/20 9:22 am, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 1/30/20 15:14, Kevin Kenny wrote: > Oh, and a further corner case: Are we agreed that something like "Old > Route 7" has become a name? It's no longer a ref, because Route 7 is > now elsewhere. It appears on street signs like any other name, not on > a reference banner, and it's the

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
>> Are we agreed that something like "Old Route 7" has become a name? > I'd generally suggest tagging that as noname=yes old_ref=US 7 I find that strange. It's no longer a ref. It won't have a "US 7" sign anywhere on it, because it is not part of "US 7". How would a map renderer label this

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:15 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:50 PM Richard Fairhurst > wrote: > > Honestly, there is, and it's as Paul and I have described - you put the > ref > > in the ref tag and leave the name tag blank. This is how it has been in > OSM > > since pretty

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:50 PM Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Honestly, there is, and it's as Paul and I have described - you put the ref > in the ref tag and leave the name tag blank. This is how it has been in OSM > since pretty much day one. If a newbie in Europe puts a ref in the name tag, > it

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 11:20 AM Paul Johnson wrote: >> (1) The `name=*` field gets the road's actual name. If the road's only >> name is 'County Route 12' (New York consistently uses 'Route' rather >> than 'Road' for these), to the extent that `addr:street=*` will show >> that for the name, then

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Kevin Kenny wrote: > I think we can both agree that in practice there is no clear > consensus on what to do in the specific case where a road > has a reference but no other name. Honestly, there is, and it's as Paul and I have described - you put the ref in the ref tag and leave the name tag

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:38 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:58 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > > No, no. I'm not proposing addr:street on ways at all, only on things > that actually have an address. What I am saying is that noname=yes should > be a trigger to validators that

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:58 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > No, no. I'm not proposing addr:street on ways at all, only on things that > actually have an address. What I am saying is that noname=yes should be a > trigger to validators that they can't depend on the way to handle address >

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 11:46 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:09 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > > addr:street= should be tagged anyway, and that's where you can put your > "County Route 34". Attempting to infer this based off the nearest street > should be a last resort because,

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:09 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > addr:street= should be tagged anyway, and that's where you can put your > "County Route 34". Attempting to infer this based off the nearest street > should be a last resort because, at least in the US, it's not uncommon for > what the

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:49 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:09 AM Kevin Kenny > wrote: > >> (1) The `name=*` field gets the road's actual name. If the road's only > >> name is 'County Route 12' (New York consistently uses 'Route' rather > >> than 'Road' for these), to the

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:09 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: >> (1) The `name=*` field gets the road's actual name. If the road's only >> name is 'County Route 12' (New York consistently uses 'Route' rather >> than 'Road' for these), to the extent that `addr:street=*` will show >> that for the name, then

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:09 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:51 AM Jarek Piórkowski > wrote: > > > > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 09:38, Rob Savoye wrote: > > > On 1/30/20 2:08 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > > > "County Road 12" is a ref. It is not a name. People often refer to

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:51 AM Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 09:38, Rob Savoye wrote: > > On 1/30/20 2:08 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > > "County Road 12" is a ref. It is not a name. People often refer to roads > > > by > > > their ref. That's fine. I will say "I'm

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 8:38 AM Rob Savoye wrote: > On 1/30/20 2:08 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > > You asked this back in August and the answers still apply: > > That was as slightly different question about multiple names, and yes, > still applies. > > > "County Road 12" is a ref. It is

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 09:38, Rob Savoye wrote: > On 1/30/20 2:08 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > "County Road 12" is a ref. It is not a name. People often refer to roads by > > their ref. That's fine. I will say "I'm taking the A3400 to Stratford" > > I'm wondering if "CR 12" or "County Road

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Rob Savoye
On 1/30/20 2:08 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > You asked this back in August and the answers still apply: That was as slightly different question about multiple names, and yes, still applies. > "County Road 12" is a ref. It is not a name. People often refer to roads by > their ref. That's

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Rob Savoye wrote: > I was wondering about tagging roads properly. Previously it > was mentioned to use 'ref' for county roads, ie... "ref='CR 12'", > but as the road sign says "County Road 12", I was wondering > about the proper way to tag this. Should 'CR' be expanded in > the 'ref' to

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 30. Jan 2020, at 00:22, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Most taxi and pedicab drivers recoginise one or both of these names, > so I have used "name=Jalan Kimbim - Piramid", "alt_name=Jalan Kimbim", > "loc_name=Jalan Piramid". +1, adding all the variants/alternatives is

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-29 Thread Rob Savoye
On 1/29/20 3:07 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > In my hometown, the main road was California highway 96, so “ref=CA 96” > but we called it “Highway 96” so “name=Highway 96”. That's what I was thinking. Here we have a "name=highway 550", which is "ref=US 550", and another one is "name='Camp Bird

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-29 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 1/29/20 17:21, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > The road heads from here to Kimbim, then to Piramid. "Jalan" means way > (or path / road / street, and the verb means "to walk", "to travel"). > It's common for roads in Indonesia to be named by the places which > they connect, usually focusing on the

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Here in Indonesia there are very few official street signs, so I go by what is written on the signs of shops next to the street. For example, one of the main streets nearby has shops which say: * Jalan Kimbim No. ## * Jalan Piramid No. ## * Jalan Kimbim - Piramid No. ## I believe I've seen maps

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 5:02 PM Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On 1/29/20 16:17, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 4:07 PM Joseph Eisenberg > > mailto:joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > In my hometown, the main road was California highway 96, so “ref=CA > > 96” but we called

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-29 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 1/29/20 16:17, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 4:07 PM Joseph Eisenberg > mailto:joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>> wrote: > In my hometown, the main road was California highway 96, so “ref=CA > 96” but we called it “Highway 96” so “name=Highway 96”. > > > I think you're

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 4:07 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > should 'ref' be 'CR 12', and then "name='County Road 12'" > > Sure, if local addresses say “123 County Road 12” and local people say “I > live on County Road 12”. > > If the name is “Old County Road 12”, that would clearly be a name,

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> should 'ref' be 'CR 12', and then "name='County Road 12'" Sure, if local addresses say “123 County Road 12” and local people say “I live on County Road 12”. If the name is “Old County Road 12”, that would clearly be a name, not a ref. In my hometown, the main road was California highway 96,

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:29 PM Rob Savoye wrote: > I was wondering about tagging roads properly. Previously it was > mentioned to use 'ref' for county roads, ie... "ref='CR 12'", but as the > road sign says "County Road 12", I was wondering about the proper way to > tag this. Should 'CR' be