Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

> It would be interesting to see how anyone here who has only started buying > computers in the last 15 years or so regards this reverence for Lenovo. > > - Evan Off-topic due to my buying history, but ... My old principal computer, an HP/Compaq laptop, is mostly out of action due to a failing

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 10:09 AM Lennart Sorensen < lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote: > > Recall that in the 90s and 00s, HP, IBM and Dell (well DEC which was > > eventually consumed by Dell via Compaq) > > No, DEC went to Compaq went to HP where the itanium love finally killed > the Alpha.

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

On Tue, 2023/09/19 11:49:09AM -0400, James Knott via talk wrote: | > Possibly the biggest booster of Linux in DEC was Jon Hall | > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Hall_(programmer) | | IIRC, the DEC Alpha was the first 64 bit CPU Linux was ported to. There was | an article about that (written

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

On 2023-09-19 11:45, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: DEC actually provided lots of support to Linux. Very early on there were ports of a 64 bit version of Linux to the Alpha processors. There was also a tiny variant that was the boot bios. Possibly the biggest booster of Linux in DEC was Jon Hall

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

On 2023-09-19 10:09, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 10:16:05PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: [snip] No, DEC went to Compaq went to HP where the itanium love finally killed the Alpha. Not Dell. DEC actually provided lots of support to Linux. Very early on there were

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 10:16:05PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > The "Thinkpad love" I see here IMO appears to reflect the age and > experiences of the discussion participants. Early in the days of PCs there > was way more diversity in hardware that could be explicitly Linux friendly > or

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

| From: Nicholas Krause via talk | I thought NVIDIA have open sourced the drivers outside of userspace for 2000 | series and up. The git repo is here: | https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules. Not sure if which distro | your using has the packages for it, | but I would be surprised

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

| From: Jim Ruxton via talk | Thanks but I wish it was that easy. There is a lot going on in the Linux | world to get this fixed. | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Ubuntu/Ubuntu-and-legion-pro-7-16IRX8H-audio-issues/m-p/5210709 | Hoping in the 6.6 kernel the fix will appear. In my experience,

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

| From: Evan Leibovitch via talk | On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 1:12 PM Peter King via talk wrote: | > I didn't even consider ThinkCentres, which word-of-mouth had rated as | > overpriced and underpowered, | > | You had me at overpriced. There's a robust resale market. That's where I've bought all

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

On 9/19/23 01:44, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: | From: Jim Ruxton via talk | | I'm not so impressed with Lenovo's support of it's Legion laptops. My model | as well as other Legion models have no speaker output in Linux. The | headphone jacks work but no sound out of the speakers. I

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 1:44 AM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > | From: Jim Ruxton via talk > | > | I'm not so impressed with Lenovo's support of it's Legion laptops. My > model > | as well as other Legion models have no speaker output in Linux. The > | headphone jacks work but no sound

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

| From: Evan Leibovitch via talk | If that matters, it's still possible to buy an original IBM-PC type keyboard | regardless of where you get your PC. | They've taken the original design and made faithful duplicates, as well as | Mac-friendly key layouts.

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

| From: Jim Ruxton via talk | | I'm not so impressed with Lenovo's support of it's Legion laptops. My model | as well as other Legion models have no speaker output in Linux. The | headphone jacks work but no sound out of the speakers. I would have thought | that having sound working was a bare

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

I'm not so impressed with Lenovo's support of it's Legion laptops. My model as well as other Legion models have no speaker output in Linux. The headphone jacks work but no sound out of the speakers. I would have thought that having sound working was a bare minimum in terms of Linux support. I dual

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 7:16 PM Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: > The more this thread continues the more I am reminded about the role of > inertia in branding and marketing. > > Gaining a new customer (ie, getting them to switch brands) is a lot harder > than keeping existing ones, especially

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

The more this thread continues the more I am reminded about the role of inertia in branding and marketing. Gaining a new customer (ie, getting them to switch brands) is a lot harder than keeping existing ones, especially in mature markets. It's why many big scummy companies treat you like dirt

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 1:12 PM Peter King via talk wrote: > A few years ago one of my desktop units failed. I replaced it with a > miniPC, a minisform model I put more RAM and two 2TB SSDs into, and it runs > just fine. Maybe that is the way to go. > For many uses this works just fine. The

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 03:13:58AM -0400, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: > I forgot to mention. > > One area where branding can come in handy is in identifying a niche in > which the brand establishes a reputation for expertise. > > If running Linux and having it explicitly supported by your

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

On 2023-09-17 17:02, David Mason via talk wrote: As one of those academics (in Computer Science, no less), I use a Macbook Pro One of my cousins is a nuclear physicist (studying neutrino oscillations, no less).  He uses Linux, both on his notebook and on the "big iron" supercomputer he uses.

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

wrote: > | From: Peter King via talk > > A wonderfully clear and evocative elegy! > All rational. > > | To: D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk > | Cc: Peter King > | Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 13:11:24 -0400 > | Subject: Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands > | > |

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

| From: Peter King via talk A wonderfully clear and evocative elegy! All rational. | To: D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk | Cc: Peter King | Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 13:11:24 -0400 | Subject: Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands | | All points about brands/branding noted and appreciated.  I

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

On 2023-09-16 13:11, Peter King via talk wrote: ... I have thought about building a NAS system, to reduce my need for local high-capacity storage, but every time I look into it, the plethora of software choices and the difficulty of configuring a server to do what is normally done locally

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

On 2023-09-16 02:51, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: I have an MBA in marketing. That's OK.  We all have our faults.   --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

All points about brands/branding noted and appreciated.  I got the Lenovo Legion T5 because I wanted a desktop, and it seemed to me that the niche for high-quality and well-built desktops -- what used to be called "enterprise" or "business" models -- had largely collapsed, being supplanted by

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

| From: Evan Leibovitch via talk | Disclaimer: I have an MBA in marketing. I studied this stuff at length. (I think that's actually a claimer.) Thanks for adding a lot to this topic. For those interested in marketing, there is a great CBC Radio series, Terry O'Reilly's "Under the influence".

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

I think both Hugh and I have associated Lenovo's name with the T series: I have a T440p that replaced a previous T-series thinkpad and did superior service. I'll either replace it with a Framework, or another T. --dave On 9/16/23 02:51, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: Disclaimer: I have an

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

I forgot to mention. One area where branding can come in handy is in identifying a niche in which the brand establishes a reputation for expertise. If running Linux and having it explicitly supported by your hardware is critical to you, then you are part of the market that brands such as Tuxedo

Re: [GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

Disclaimer: I have an MBA in marketing. I studied this stuff at length. On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 12:01 PM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk < talk@gtalug.org> wrote: > Brands matter. More to the point: SOME brands matter. And they matter to varying degrees. Search for anything on Aliexpress and

[GTALUG] brands matter; Lenovo's brands

(This was part of a reply to Peter, but I decided to make it a separate message. I hope you don't find it too didactic.) Brands matter. They are meant to telegraph certain things to the customer. Of course the brand's meaning can be changed: it isn't a contract. The perception of a brand