Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

Just a bit of information about what other countries have similar to a trunk : in France there is a road category just below motorways, that people commonly call a "fastway" (voie rapide) and which legal denomination is "motorcar way" (route pour automobiles). Speed is limited to 110 KMh ( 130 on m

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

2008/9/8 Nic Roets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Next mappers will omit units of measurement > because they feel it it's implied for their country. I omit units because I feel they are implied for the _world_. Map features, unless it has been changed since, takes the view that, for instance, width and m

[OSM-talk] OSMHQ GIS Data Model

I've started working on a GIS Data Model for OSMHQ. As part of this work I have defined a list of thematic layers, a set of standard tags for each OSMHQ feature, and a list of feature types in the first thematic layer, the Vehicle Road Network. If you are interested in OSMHQ, or improving the quali

[OSM-talk] OSMHQ News: Ideas for OSMHQ Tools

During my recent lunch breaks I started working on some OSMHQ mapping near my office. When I got the data downloaded and started to work with it I realized a couple of things: [1] I need to write some simple tools to help process the data. [2] I really need to define a GIS data model for OSM that

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

Lambertus wrote: > Your suggestions are great, it would be nice to be able to classify ways > with properties like e.g. nice scenery, low traffic, smooth surface, > etc. Yes, something like that. The user interface could probably have some kind of switch or slider: [---

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-alike license for gps coordinates derived from OSM

Yes, that was what I was going to do. However, I realised that the license for OSM will change soon. So, if I start using the CC-BY-SA license for coordinates on my web site, I would have to change soon to the new OSM license (ODBL). Which raises an interesting question: if my web site had 1 C

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Ben Laenen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It is far more common for newbies to >> misclassify a road and then we at least still have correct tags. An >> example so fresh that mapnik still renders the mistake : >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-25.751366&lon=28.198

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=vending_machine AND amenity=post_box: what about?

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Norbert Wenzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Karl Newman wrote: > >> Just make two different nodes, each located closest to the amenity >> concerned. There's nothing that makes it non-routable. It's just a >> point--the routers will get you as close to the point on

Re: [OSM-talk] Flooded Thames

Hopefully now fixed. David - Original Message - From: Oliver Lewis To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Flooded Thames Eel Pie Island has disappeared in both Mapnik and Osmarender (it's here: http://www.openstreetmap.

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=vending_machine AND amenity=post_box: what about?

Karl Newman wrote: Just make two different nodes, each located closest to the amenity concerned. There's nothing that makes it non-routable. It's just a point--the routers will get you as close to the point on the road as possible. The addr: property definitely isn't going to help in making it

Re: [OSM-talk] Access restrictions: hazardous material & other details

Sebastian Hohmann wrote: Norbert Wenzel schrieb: Hi, I just mapped a street and did not find a proper access tag. The sign can be found in Wikimedia Commons [0]. It says it is forbidden to drive with hazardous material. I don't think I'm the first one to map such streets, since those signs a

Re: [OSM-talk] Flooded Thames

Eel Pie Island has disappeared in both Mapnik and Osmarender (it's here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.44511&lon=-0.32277&zoom=16&layers=B00FTF). I'm very hesistant to try to fix it, given the recent trouble we've had with the Thames (which seems to be back this week) and my lack of knowledg

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

On Monday 08 September 2008, Nic Roets wrote: > If the community is capable of agreeing on one worldwide list of > defaults, then yes. I suggest our defaults be constructed so that we > need to retag a minimum of roads, e.g. by looking at TIGER > classifications. Mappers will learn this short list

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

Ben wrote: > (a) if for some reason the traffic rules change so that the > sign marking > that kind of road allows pedestrians, we don't have to edit all > trunks > in a country, and Which reminds me. I think the discussion was here recently about mph in the UK (as in maxspeed=20mph or whatever)

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

If the community is capable of agreeing on one worldwide list of defaults, then yes. I suggest our defaults be constructed so that we need to retag a minimum of roads, e.g. by looking at TIGER classifications. Mappers will learn this short list and will be able to map parts of foreign countries. B

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

Oh please, I wasn't talking about language. Lars Aronsson wrote: > Lambertus wrote: > >> Here the dogma 'Don't change the tagging just to get it >> rendered' applies :-) > > That is an absurd proposition. It could lead us to label them as > "vägklassning=riksväg ; vägbredd=9 meter ; hastighet

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

Lambertus wrote: > Here the dogma 'Don't change the tagging just to get it > rendered' applies :-) That is an absurd proposition. It could lead us to label them as "vägklassning=riksväg ; vägbredd=9 meter ; hastighet=90 km/h" and we should just ignore the fact that the map of Sweden doesn't g

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

On Monday 08 September 2008, Nic Roets wrote: > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Lars Aronsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here you assume that "trunk" is a well defined concept. But it > > isn't. > > Spot on. > > And defining things per country leads to all sorts of problem. For > example mapp

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

Your suggestions are great, it would be nice to be able to classify ways with properties like e.g. nice scenery, low traffic, smooth surface, etc. Also allowing to choose if you want to take ferry's into account when calculating a route as well as public transport would be awsome. But all of th

[OSM-talk] Quality Assurance / Improve Routing

Hi all, the last two weeks I spent developing software to improve the quality of OSM data. The result of this work can be seen in a general QA page as well as on a special page for my waychecker: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Quality_Assurance http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

So you suggest the community negotiates one list with defaults for each type of road that applies worldwide? Mappers have to apply appropriate tags on roads (countries) that don't fit this default? That does not solve the problem where mappers visit a foreign country. They still need to do a lo

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=vending_machine AND amenity=post_box: what about?

On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 06:40:59AM -0700, Karl Newman wrote: > > > > So personally I think duplicate keys would be the easiest and best way to > > tag such double-uses. > > > > Norbert > > > > Just make two different nodes, each located closest to the amenity > concerned. There's nothing that make

Re: [OSM-talk] download osm format large area, high zoom level

> I've just done some optimisation work on xapi which improves its capacity > to > download large bboxes. > > In a test I was successfully able to download the whole of the Netherlands > (some 630Mb) in a couple of hours. > > You should be able to get at least a z10 sized tile from xapi for even th

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Lars Aronsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here you assume that "trunk" is a well defined concept. But it > isn't. > Spot on. And defining things per country leads to all sorts of problem. For example mappers applying domestic rules when visiting foreign countrie

Re: [OSM-talk] download osm format large area, high zoom level

I've just done some optimisation work on xapi which improves its capacity to download large bboxes. In a test I was successfully able to download the whole of the Netherlands (some 630Mb) in a couple of hours. You should be able to get at least a z10 sized tile from xapi for even the most densely

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

Lars Aronsson wrote: > Lambertus wrote: > >> Perhaps an inventory of the countries that allow cyclists on trunks and >> motorways has to be created. > > Here you assume that "trunk" is a well defined concept. But it > isn't. Maybe I should have written 'allow or deny access...', that's what I

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

Lambertus wrote: > Perhaps an inventory of the countries that allow cyclists on trunks and > motorways has to be created. Here you assume that "trunk" is a well defined concept. But it isn't. There are no roads in Scandinavia that are called "trunk" roads. So we have to invent our own under

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=vending_machine AND amenity=post_box: what about?

On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Norbert Wenzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shaun McDonald wrote: > >> The problem with this is that none of the editors support having >> duplicate key values, even so the 0.5 API supports it. The 0.6 API will >> not support duplicate key values. >> > > I think

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Re: [OSM-talk] download osm format large area, high zoom level

Hi, > Now I can only download very small patches via the Web interface. And, at > this moment I even cannot get any OSM (FireFox,IEExplorer or Kosmos) from > the site. Export just opens an empty page. You can do some filtering with OsmXAPI, which allows you to download large sizes and also filte

Re: [OSM-talk] download osm format large area, high zoom level

Hi, I tried the Perl script. Seems OK, but the data chunk seems not be valid. So, now I am back to the question of being able to download large chunks (at least larger than the OSM site now permits), possibly with not all detail in it. Now I can only download very small patches via the Web interfac

Re: [OSM-talk] Access restrictions: hazardous material & other details

Norbert Wenzel schrieb: > Hi, > > I just mapped a street and did not find a proper access tag. The sign > can be found in Wikimedia Commons [0]. It says it is forbidden to drive > with hazardous material. I don't think I'm the first one to map such > streets, since those signs are relatively co

[OSM-talk] Baby hatch now open for voting - Abstim mung über Babyklappe

The voting for http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/baby_hatch Baby Hatch (de:Babyklappe) is now open. Please vote. Thanks Lulu-Ann -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer __

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

Andy wrote: > Around the west midlands I can't actually think or a trunk road > that you > can't cycle on. I was surprised when driving the recently upgraded A130 from the A12 towards Southend that the road had signs specifying no bicycles, pedestrians or horses (I think they were) at the A12 en

[OSM-talk] openlayers kml layer

i'm playing with a kml layer in openlayers my icon is a 16x16 png, when openlayers draws the layer it's blownup to something 32x32 (i gues, could also be 48x48) is this normal behaviour ? or is my kml file missing some tags ? http://earth.google.com/kml/2.2";> osm_users.kmz

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=vending_machine AND amenity=post_box: what about?

> Currently, I have never seen a stamp vending machine without its > post > box. That is why I intended to mark these with something like: > > amenity=post_box > vending_machine=yes Hi, if you have not seen a stamp vending machine without a post box nearby, that m

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

Shaun McDonald wrote: > To confuse you even further depending on where you are on the A1, > depends on whether you can cycle there. For example between where it > meets the A720, and Dunbar you are not allowed to cycle on it, however > you are allowed to cycle on the rest of it between Edinbu

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

Please read carefully, I said *mainland* Europe. I know GB/Ireland and also Australia are different then mainland Europe(or the other way around, whatever suits you). Also, I'm Dutch and aparently (from what you describe) the Dutch interpretation of 'trunk' is quite similar to the German. But,

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:47:00 +0100, Lester Caine <> wrote: >> Interesting choice of routes when going north up the M6 but I'm sure at >> times >> that taking the back roads would be quicker ;) >> > Do you have an example (using the Permalink) that gives a 'faulty' route?

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

Yes, there is an API, it is described in: I can not promise that the url and other parts of the API won't change though... elvin ibbotson wrote: > Another excellent routing service! > > A question: > Is there an API? Is it possible to que

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

Richard Fairhurst wrote: >Sent: 08 September 2008 6:30 AM >To: Shaun McDonald >Cc: Talk Openstreetmap >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service > >Shaun McDonald wrote: > >> To confuse you even further depending on where you are on the A1, >> depends on whether you can cycle there. For

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

Another excellent routing service! A question: Is there an API? Is it possible to query the routing engine programmatically? (I would like to be able to send a query from my mom application running in Java ME on a mobile phone.) elvin From: "Lambertus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 6 Septembe

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

That is certainly the case in Australia. Parts of our 'National Highway 1' are motorway standard, other parts are labeled trunk, but are one lane each way, not divided road, and anything is allowed on them. And the only alternate route may well be several hundred km longer. 2008/9/8 Dermot McNal