Re: [Talk-hr] POI na karti grada

2009-10-06 Thread nixa
jhabijan wrote: Koje bi sve POI (Point Of Interest) interesantne za turiste trebalo stavit na gradsku kartu? hvala, joža benzinske bolnice (doktor, zubar u manjim mjestima) policija muzeji... u biti sve sto ide s amenity im je interesantno :)

Re: [OSM-talk-be] EGNOS works, mail to the EU??

2009-10-06 Thread Lennard
Marc Coevoet wrote: Hi, Since 1 oct, Egbos is available (is the EU variant of the GPS system). It is not (the EU variant of the GPS system). It is an augmentation system for the existing GPS system. Would it be an idea to mail Mr Antonio Tajani, European Commission Vice-President for

[OSM-legal-talk] OSM IDs as foreign keys (was: ODbL virality questions)

2009-10-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, (for those on dev; this started out as a discussion on whether or not we want to put any legal/license restrictions on external users linking to OSM objects for identification, e.g. a restaurant guide saying this pub is OSM node #12345) Matt Amos wrote: i would hope so too, as it makes

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL virality questions

2009-10-06 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Andrew Turner ajtur...@highearthorbit.com wrote: On 2 Oct 2009, at 18:06, Matt Amos wrote: hi legals, i've come across a couple of interesting questions / use-cases for the ODbL and wider discussion. it basically reduces to whether we want the ODbL to have

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL virality questions

2009-10-06 Thread Richard Shank
Matt Amos wrote: as a concrete example, let's pretend i have a site, beerintheOSM, which rates pubs and allows commenting and photo uploads. if i'm storing the reviews linked against pubs linked against OSM (name/location/ID), i definitely have to release the (name/location/ID) records -

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL virality questions

2009-10-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, no-one is suggesting that the extraction of names, locations and IDs would be somehow outside of the ODbL. any site using these as lookup keys would have to release that data under the ODbL. [...] as a concrete example, let's pretend i have a site, beerintheOSM, which rates pubs and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL virality questions

2009-10-06 Thread Dan Karran
2009/10/6 Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com: as a concrete example, let's pretend i have a site, beerintheOSM, which rates pubs and allows commenting and photo uploads. if i'm storing the reviews linked against pubs linked against OSM (name/location/ID), i definitely have to release the

[OSM-legal-talk] reciprocal data agreements

2009-10-06 Thread Richard Weait
Dear legal-talk, I wonder if either cc-by-sa, or ODbL anticipate a reciprocal data agreement between OSM and another project with a different license? Imagine a data provider using perhaps cc-by, or a BSD style permissive license contributes their data to OSM. Imagine then that they would like

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] reciprocal data agreements

2009-10-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Richard, Richard Weait wrote: Imagine a data provider using perhaps cc-by, or a BSD style permissive license contributes their data to OSM. Imagine then that they would like to monitor changes in OSM to data that originated from their source. Imagine then that they would like to incorporate

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:17:37 +1000, John Smith wrote: I thought this was anything goes, why are you dictating something can't be done? I'm also puzzled why it can't be done by a comitee elected BY OSM mappers?!? Why not? -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:29:30 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: That's okay, too. What I want, what I REALLY want, is for SteveC to be able to exercise leadership without being told that he's evil for doing so. Why only him? Let's choose a few people we all trust and let them come to a agreement.

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:33:40 +0100, Jonathan Bennett wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_bureaucracy for what Another Plaice thinks of that idea. Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy, but you can't start writing nonsense or material that is not

Re: [OSM-talk] osm funny poster

2009-10-06 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:22:08 -0500, ouɐɯnH wrote: This is any multi language funny poster for OSM. enjoy http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Poster_osm.jpg salu2 Humano Great and funny poster, I love it. Could we get also sources for the poster in Inkscape format so we can

Re: [OSM-talk] osm funny poster

2009-10-06 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:52:40 +, Valent Turkovic wrote: Great and funny poster, I love it. Also it would be great to setup a Promote OSM wiki page with different posters, flyers and similar accessories that other OSM mappers could use for mapping parties or for promoting OSM in their

Re: [OSM-talk] osm funny poster

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com: On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:52:40 +, Valent Turkovic wrote: Great and funny poster, I love it. Also it would be great to setup a Promote OSM wiki page with different posters, flyers and similar accessories that other OSM mappers could use

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread Nigel Magnay
Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy, but you can't start writing nonsense or material that is not encyclopedia type texts. For example you can't start writing manuals there, you will be kicked out right away. That's *exactly the same* problem though. Who decides what is encyclopedic or nonsense?

Re: [OSM-talk] osm funny poster

2009-10-06 Thread Ken Guest
the one that I tend to use is at http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/recruitment_poster/poster.pdfhttp://short.ie/osmposter k. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:52:40 +, Valent Turkovic wrote: Great and

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: On 05/10/09 11:04, Dave Stubbs wrote: As the person whose first came up with a no-names map for London (well, actually it was a named map of London, turned into a nonames map on SteveC's suggestion), I have an *official

[OSM-talk] GPX Manager

2009-10-06 Thread Ingo Lantschner
Hi, I have written a small command-line-tool mainly for extracting specific tracks together wit its way-points out of a large gpx-file. I use it to get the tracks from one day out of my always growing Current.gpx (Garmin nüvi 550). Download and Documentation:

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread Mike Harris
Thanks to those who responded to this thread. Advice gratefully received. There seems to be a clear majority preference for option (b) - the more detailed approach that avoids superimposing boundaries of areas (and their nodes) on an adjacent way (and its nodes). I fully understand the two

Re: [OSM-talk] osm funny poster

2009-10-06 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Ken Guest k...@linux.ie wrote: the one that I tend to use is at http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/recruitment_poster/poster.pdf k. Same question; is the source file available for editing and translation? Or at least clipart objects so I can

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-06 Thread Peter Körner
Mike N. schrieb: The delay in rendering is irritating but understandable. A sandbox with a limit of a view ways/areas to allow immediate render would be extremely useful. I read somewhere today that someone is working on this - a web site where you'll be able to designate a bounding

Re: [OSM-talk] osm funny poster

2009-10-06 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:02:30 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: Same question; is the source file available for editing and translation? Found the sources in: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/ recruitment_poster/ Thanks! -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-06 Thread James Livingston
On 05/10/2009, at 7:54 PM, David Earl wrote: * Three new primitives, tagkey for describing the k part of tags, tagvalue for the v part of tags and tagdescription separated off to allow for multiple descriptions in multiple languages without having to download all the data for languages

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL virality questions

2009-10-06 Thread Andrew Turner
On 2 Oct 2009, at 18:06, Matt Amos wrote: hi legals, i've come across a couple of interesting questions / use-cases for the ODbL and wider discussion. it basically reduces to whether we want the ODbL to have viral (GPL-like) behaviour, or whether it should be less viral (LGPL-like). we've

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread James Livingston
On 05/10/2009, at 8:18 PM, Marc Schütz wrote: IMO (a) is the correct way to do this. ... For a road, we can either choose to map it as a linear object (this is the common case), or we can map its geometry more exactly by using an area. In both cases, however, the object in our database

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-06 Thread David Earl
On 06/10/2009 13:35, James Livingston wrote: I can see things getting ickier than they are now if you can just go around adding new shop= values, without having some prior discussion to what it means. If I saw a suggested option in an editor, I would generally assume that there is some

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-06 Thread James Livingston
On 06/10/2009, at 10:58 PM, David Earl wrote: On 06/10/2009 13:35, James Livingston wrote: I can see things getting ickier than they are now if you can just go around adding new shop= values, without having some prior discussion to what it means. If I saw a suggested option in an

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: On 05/10/2009, at 8:18 PM, Marc Schütz wrote: IMO (a) is the correct way to do this.  ... For a road, we can either choose to map it as a linear object (this is the common case), or we can map its geometry more exactly by using an area. In both

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread Russ Nelson
Valent Turkovic writes: On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:17:37 +1000, John Smith wrote: I thought this was anything goes, why are you dictating something can't be done? I'm also puzzled why it can't be done by a comitee elected BY OSM mappers?!? Why not? It could ... but that committee

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread Russ Nelson
Dave Stubbs writes: I was convinced otherwise by some very persuasive arguments and now think it's completely not worth doing and not at all important. I'm not convinced. Could you share them? -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread David Earl
On 06/10/2009 14:09, John Smith wrote: Some people are marking the landuse hard up against roads, but this isn't correct since the property boundary never touches any roads, at least none that I'm aware of, and foot paths etc use the same land use area as roads. I keep adjacent areas

Re: [OSM-talk] osm funny poster

2009-10-06 Thread ouɐɯnH
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:22:08 -0500, ouɐɯnH wrote: This is any multi language funny poster for  OSM. enjoy http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Poster_osm.jpg salu2 Humano Great and funny poster, I love

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread Dave F.
Marc Schütz wrote: IMO (a) is the correct way to do this. We are trying to represent reality in our database. I'm not sure that's true. A map is a representation of reality, not reality itself. With the tools available to us at the moment attaining reality is a lot of work For instance the

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: On 06/10/2009 14:09, John Smith wrote: Some people are marking the landuse hard up against roads, but this isn't correct since the property boundary never touches any roads, at least none that I'm aware of, and foot paths etc use the same land

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL virality questions

2009-10-06 Thread James Livingston
On 06/10/2009, at 11:30 PM, Matt Amos wrote: so far, all the responses seem to indicate that everyone thinks linking to OSM data by ID is OK. what about Andy's idea, though? is it OK to take a location, name and possibly an ID as well to perform fuzzy linking? my view is that all the

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Marc Schütz wrote: IMO (a) is the correct way to do this. We are trying to represent reality in our database. I'm not sure that's true. A map is a representation of reality, not reality itself. True, but the

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: With the tools available to us at the moment attaining reality is a lot of work For instance the majority of mappers don't draw an area for, lets say, an

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Dave Stubbs writes:   I was convinced otherwise by some very persuasive arguments and now   think it's completely not worth doing and not at all important. I'm not convinced.  Could you share them? a) what are you actually

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Most sidewalks pretty much meet that criterion, and roads sort of meet it (not at intersections, though). There is a landuse area around roads that isn't part of surrounding property boundaries. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:21 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/10/7 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Most sidewalks pretty much meet that criterion, and roads sort of meet it (not at intersections, though). There is a landuse area around roads that isn't part of surrounding

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL virality questions

2009-10-06 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:55 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: On 06/10/2009, at 11:30 PM, Matt Amos wrote: so far, all the responses seem to indicate that everyone thinks linking to OSM data by ID is OK. what about Andy's idea, though? is it OK to take a location, name and possibly an

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread Chris Morley
Mike Harris wrote: Thanks to those who responded to this thread. Advice gratefully received. There seems to be a clear majority preference for option (b) - the more detailed approach that avoids superimposing boundaries of areas (and their nodes) on an adjacent way (and its nodes). I fully

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread Dave F.
Anthony wrote: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Marc Schütz wrote: IMO (a) is the correct way to do this. We are trying to represent reality in our database. I'm not sure that's true. A map is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread Dave F.
Anthony wrote: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org mailto:o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote: With the tools available to us at the moment attaining reality is

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:21 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/7 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Most sidewalks pretty much meet that criterion, and roads sort of meet it (not at intersections, though). There is a landuse area around

Re: [OSM-talk] GPX Manager

2009-10-06 Thread Yann Coupin
While we're talking about GPX I recently published a script to load GPX files in a postgis database. It's convenient to show a long trace on top of a map for instance. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Pov/gpx2postgis Yann Le 6 oct. 2009 à 12:32, Ingo Lantschner a écrit : Hi, I

Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS

2009-10-06 Thread Ed Avis
I have a Garmin unit and from the factory WAAS/EGNOS support was set to 'off'. I turned it on recently. I see little 'D' symbols sometimes appear in satellite status but I haven't seen the promised 1 metre precision so far. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [OSM-talk] England, Wales, Scotland borders

2009-10-06 Thread Ed Avis
Igor Brejc igor.brejc at gmail.com writes: For days now I've been trying to figure out how I could render borders between England, Wales and Scotland using OSM data, 1. Borders between these countries are tagged with the same admin_level=4 as that of subdivisions inside England

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Gervase Markham wrote: So why did you make the noname map in the first place, if it's not important? Have you changed your mind about its usefulness? It's useful *as a guide*, or a tool. What some people seem to be unable to grasp is that *it's OK for a road to appear in red on NoNames*. You

[OSM-talk] New mailing list - annou...@openstreetmap.org

2009-10-06 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Another new mailing list has been created: annou...@openstreetmap.org You can subscribe here: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/announce Announce is a moderated list limited to announcements about OSM services, new software versions and any other really, really important news that affects

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:56 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/10/7 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:21 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/7 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Most sidewalks pretty much meet that criterion, and roads sort

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: The only way I can see doing that is when the landuse area is *also* a highway area. And then, only if you're sure that's what you want to do. If you have two pedestrian areas separated by a highway, and you use the highway as a

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread Gervase Markham
On 06/10/09 15:18, Dave Stubbs wrote: a) what are you actually marking? - no name in OSM -- we know that already - the mapper didn't find a name -- so we shouldn't check again? Probably not, no. Just as when a mapper adds a postbox, someone else doesn't think he's added a postbox. I

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread Gervase Markham
On 06/10/09 05:37, John Smith wrote: It sounds like he made it to see which roads needed surveying to acquire their name, however I'm still confused why people use noname=yes when the street does have a name but not a street sign, as I posted before there is actually a few streets near here on

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread Mike Harris
Chris Despite the well-argued views of a minority, I am persuaded by the equally well-argued views of the (considerable) majority who favour option (b). That is not to say that there isn't room for using a bit of common sense! I wouldn't divide up Delamere Forest into individual areas bounded

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread Gervase Markham
On 06/10/09 16:49, Jonathan Bennett wrote: It's useful *as a guide*, or a tool. What some people seem to be unable to grasp is that *it's OK for a road to appear in red on NoNames*. You don't have to eliminate them completely. It's just a guide, not a gospel. A road appearing in red means that

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread Mike Harris
Yes - I think Anthony makes the case very well and gives a clearer response to Chris than I did! I think the distinction between landuse=forest (where the tracks - and even roads - are normally regarded as part of the forest) and some of the other landuse= is sensible. I also agree that there is

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: On 06/10/09 15:18, Dave Stubbs wrote: a) what are you actually marking?   - no name in OSM -- we know that already   - the mapper didn't find a name -- so we shouldn't check again? Probably not, no. Just as when a

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net: On 06/10/09 16:49, Jonathan Bennett wrote: It's useful *as a guide*, or a tool. What some people seem to be unable to grasp is that *it's OK for a road to appear in red on NoNames*. You don't have to eliminate them completely. It's just a guide,

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net: On 06/10/09 05:37, John Smith wrote: It sounds like he made it to see which roads needed surveying to acquire their name, however I'm still confused why people use noname=yes when the street does have a name but not a street sign, as I posted

Re: [OSM-talk] England, Wales, Scotland borders

2009-10-06 Thread Richard Mann
The regional development agencies have quite big budgets, actually. But I'd agree that England needs to have it's own level. Richard On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Igor Brejc igor.brejc at gmail.com writes: For days now I've been trying to figure out how I

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com wrote: This suggests that the area tag might even be landuse=highway! Hey, I could go for that. I've already clearly separated the meaning of the term highway when dealing with OSM from the meaning of the term highway that I'd

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread DavidD
2009/10/6 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Yes and keep it to yourself, don't bother telling anyone else since they really want to waste their time finding out there is no name,a after the 10th person does this I'm sure someone has a right to be upset. If you have 10 people in the same

Re: [OSM-talk] England, Wales, Scotland borders

2009-10-06 Thread Peter Childs
2009/10/6 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com: The regional development agencies have quite big budgets, actually. But I'd agree that England needs to have it's own level. I think admin_level=5 and an update to the wiki might be the best move. Peter.

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 DavidD thewi...@gmail.com: 2009/10/6 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Yes and keep it to yourself, don't bother telling anyone else since they really want to waste their time finding out there is no name,a after the 10th person does this I'm sure someone has a right to be

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread Mike Harris
Why not - it seems as good as any other idea - of course someone is going to object (;) but ... Mike Harris -Original Message- From: dipie...@gmail.com [mailto:dipie...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Sent: 06 October 2009 19:03 To: Mike Harris Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] New mailing list - annou...@openstreetmap.org

2009-10-06 Thread Dave F.
Jonathan Bennett wrote: Another new mailing list has been created: annou...@openstreetmap.org You can subscribe here: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/announce Announce is a moderated list limited to announcements about OSM services, new software versions and any other really,

Re: [OSM-talk] New mailing list - annou...@openstreetmap.org

2009-10-06 Thread Liz
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, Dave F. wrote: I welcome this addition. To keep this low volume and to facilitate discussion on the subjects of the posts in the correct place, would it be conducive if the senders recommend an appropriate forum, maybe even starting a discussion thread in said forum? It's

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread Dave F.
Gervase Markham wrote: On 06/10/09 15:18, Dave Stubbs wrote: a) what are you actually marking? - no name in OSM -- we know that already - the mapper didn't find a name -- so we shouldn't check again? Probably not, no. Just as when a mapper adds a postbox, someone else doesn't

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=highway

2009-10-06 Thread Anthony
Tagging: landuse=highway Applies-to: area Definition: an area of land set aside for public use in transportation Land which is set aside for public use as a roadway, footway, cycleway, etc. The actual road or path may or may not have already been built. This tag should not be used for areas of

[OSM-talk] Fwd: [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=highway

2009-10-06 Thread Sam Vekemans
Im forwarding this to the tagg...@openstreetmap.org list for discussions. Cheers, Sam -- Forwarded message -- From: Anthony o...@inbox.org Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:58:03 -0400 Subject: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=highway To: openstreetmap

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Fwd: [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=highway

2009-10-06 Thread Anthony
Sorry, I forgot the URL: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/highway On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Im forwarding this to the tagg...@openstreetmap.org list  for discussions. Cheers, Sam -- Forwarded message

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: The more uploaded GPX traces/checks of a route the better. Surely? It would be more useful to know what created the traces also, some units are bound to be better than others and knowing this you would be able to weight the tracks rather than treat them

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] huisnummers controle

2009-10-06 Thread Lennard
Philip Homburg wrote: Ik zou in moeilijke gevallen gewoon alle huisnummers individueel taggen. Dat is ook het uiteindelijke doel. De interpolatielijnen zijn bedacht als tijdelijke oplossing, totdat elk huis individueel is gemapt. Dat laatste is echter stukken makkelijker en sneller te doen in

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] huisnummers controle

2009-10-06 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:03:44 +0200 (CEST) you wrote: individueel taggen gaat niet lukken want het probleem is dat sommige huizen in die straten dus 2 nummers hebben. ze staan ook echt beide op de deuren. Je kan dan toch twee nodes vlak naast elkaar maken voor die twee nummers?

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] huisnummers controle

2009-10-06 Thread Rejo Zenger
++ 06/10/09 15:03 +0200 - Floris Looijesteijn: ik blijf voor de normale straten voorlopig geloven in de interpolatielijnen. het kan mij echt niet boeien waar een huis precies is, 100 meter is goed genoeg. je kunt in de steden toch bijna nooit voor de deur parkeren. [...] Hoe wel ik denk ik iets

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] huisnummers controle

2009-10-06 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
de 100 meter nauwkeurigheid was een wilde gok aan de hand van de langste straten die ik tot nu toe heb ingevoerd en de ranges van huisnummers. ik probeer ook zo nauwkeurig mogelijk te werken bij het invoeren maar als ik met de auto aan kom rijden is binnen 100 meter van het huisnummer beland voor

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] huisnummers controle

2009-10-06 Thread steggink
Quoting Philip Homburg pch-osm-tal...@u-1.phicoh.com: In your letter dated Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:03:44 +0200 (CEST) you wrote: individueel taggen gaat niet lukken want het probleem is dat sommige huizen in die straten dus 2 nummers hebben. ze staan ook echt beide op de deuren. Je kan dan toch

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] huisnummers controle

2009-10-06 Thread steggink
Quoting Rejo Zenger osm-talk...@subs.krikkit.nl: De Map features page vermeldt het volgende voor huisnummers: The house number (may contain non-digits). If a single entry has multiple house numbers, separate them by ,. e.g. 12b,12c. Only required key for an address (except when addr:housename

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] wandelnetwerk twente

2009-10-06 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Rik de Landloper schreef: Ik vind het zelf het leukste / zinvolste om puur de fysieke eigenschappen van wegen en paden in OSM te mappen. Om alle bordjes en paaltjes met ingewikkelde coderingen te gaan noteren, zie ik de lol niet echt van in.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] wandelnetwerk twente

2009-10-06 Thread Cartinus
On Tuesday 06 October 2009 23:40:25 Rik de Landloper wrote: een dienst genaamd routeyou http://www.routeyou.com die die dit als ik het goed zie onder een CC-licentie doet: http://www.routeyou.com/page/view/23/terms-of-use.nl Bovenaan die pagina: RouteYou grants you permission to display,

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] wandelnetwerk twente

2009-10-06 Thread Rik de Landloper
On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:12 +0200, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Rik de Landloper schreef: Ik vind het zelf het leukste / zinvolste om puur de fysieke eigenschappen van wegen en paden in OSM te mappen. Om alle bordjes en

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] wandelnetwerk twente

2009-10-06 Thread Frank Steggink
Rik de Landloper wrote: Hallo, Ik ga komend weekend in Twente wandelen en ben mijn route aan het voorbereiden. Ik kwam op de wiki de wandelroutes-pagina tegen: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Nederland_Wandelroutes Hierdoor kwam ik op het spoor van het wandelroutenetwerk in

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] wandelnetwerk twente

2009-10-06 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Rik de Landloper schreef: Pas op wat je zegt. Als ik die helm opzet, dan zet ik zo een hele batterij OSM-ers aan het editen, terwijl ik lekker buiten loop te struinen. Wat zullen we vandaag eens gaan taggen, hmm ... grassprietjes ? En je helpt

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] wandelnetwerk twente

2009-10-06 Thread Andre Engels
2009/10/7 Frank Steggink stegg...@steggink.org: Helaas kunnen wij niet zomaar die informatie overnemen. Ze gebruiken wel CC, maar niet onder de share-alike versie. Dit is minimaal vereist om in OSM te hergebruiken. Verder melden ze bovenin al dat het alleen voor niet-comercieel gebruik is, en

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] wandelnetwerk twente

2009-10-06 Thread Rik de Landloper
Frank en Cortinus bedankt voor de attentie op het ontbreken van SA. Wat je wel zou kunnen doen is hen aanschrijven met de vraag of ze hun data wel aan OpenStreetMap ter beschikking willen stellen. Ik kan niet inschatten of ze hiervoor open zouden staan, maar niet geschoten is altijd mis.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] wandelnetwerk twente

2009-10-06 Thread Frank Steggink
Andre Engels wrote: 2009/10/7 Frank Steggink stegg...@steggink.org: Helaas kunnen wij niet zomaar die informatie overnemen. Ze gebruiken wel CC, maar niet onder de share-alike versie. Dit is minimaal vereist om in OSM te hergebruiken. Verder melden ze bovenin al dat het alleen voor

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] wandelnetwerk twente

2009-10-06 Thread Frank Steggink
Frank Steggink wrote: Andre Engels wrote: 2009/10/7 Frank Steggink stegg...@steggink.org: Helaas kunnen wij niet zomaar die informatie overnemen. Ze gebruiken wel CC, maar niet onder de share-alike versie. Dit is minimaal vereist om in OSM te hergebruiken. Verder melden ze

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:32:49 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Lake Gairdner and Lake Torrens are natural=coastline Well there both now natural=water as they are both single ways less than 1000 nodes and there's no need for them to

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
I just updated all the world boundaries and shore lines etc on maps.bigtincan.com and this is the dates of files: -rw-r--r-- 1 1001 1001 3461233 Mar 10 2007 builtup_area.dbf -rw-r--r-- 1 1001 1001279020 Mar 10 2007 builtup_area.index -rw-r--r-- 1 1001 1001 513 Mar 10 2007

[talk-au] Twitter like emails

2009-10-06 Thread Jeff Price
G'day all, Any chance folks could take some conversations offline, or batch up their 15 emails into a single email? I presume I'm not the only one who has pretty well stopped paying any real attention to the talk-au list because its carrying on like a Twitter feed.

Re: [talk-au] Twitter like emails

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Jeff Price wrote: G'day all, Any chance folks could take some conversations offline, or batch up their 15 emails into a single email?  I presume I'm not the only one who has pretty well stopped paying any real attention to the talk-au list

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-06 Thread James Livingston
On 06/10/2009, at 2:12 PM, John Smith wrote: Lake Eyre etc is so big they used natural=coastline... Although this comes back to the question the other day, where does the coastline start/end, legally speaking it cuts across bays, it doesn't go round them or up rivers... I looked into this a

Re: [talk-au] Why not to change coastlines automatically to ABS data.

2009-10-06 Thread James Livingston
On 05/10/2009, at 3:59 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote: So PLEASE look at the sat photos and already entered data before you go removing the coastline and using the ABS data automatically as the coastline. As a +1 comment, I'd also like to note that in many places the ABS follow the

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: On 06/10/2009, at 2:12 PM, John Smith wrote: Lake Eyre etc is so big they used natural=coastline... Although this comes back to the question the other day, where does the coastline start/end, legally speaking it cuts across bays, it doesn't go round

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-06 Thread Jim Croft
For OSM purposes (as opposed to general mapping) the answer should not be complicated. If at high tide you drive into the water, you have driven over a functional coast into the sea... :) Of course, this won't work for mariners and lawyers... :) My favourite estuary is the Fly River in PNG. It

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-06 Thread James Livingston
On 06/10/2009, at 11:37 PM, Jim Croft wrote: Of course, this won't work for mariners and lawyers... :) No, but there are (proposed) tags to indicate the low-tide mark, and the OpenSeaMap guys might have something for other various maritime boundaries. My favourite estuary is the Fly River

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
I forget who mentioned about some 15m error that was fixed in the property boundary data, but I actually found another error, is there some where we should report these errors? It looks like the road was realigned, the previous road was turned into a car park and the property boundary for the

[talk-au] Mapping railway lines

2009-10-06 Thread John Henderson
Has anyone had success using a GPS unit inside a metal railway carriage to map a railway line? I notice that parts of the main line between Sydney and Melbourne are missing, eg: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.7446lon=147.886zoom=14layers=B000FTF I'd consider doing the trip on the XPT

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