Re: [Talk-hr] Označavanje cesta u HR....Ponovo po x-ti put.

2009-12-06 Thread Dražen Odobašić
On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 05:29:28PM +0100, nixa wrote: Marko Dimjasevic wrote: Čim netko mora znati tu informaciju, karta mi se ne čini jednostavnom za korištenje. Zašto netko uopće mora znati da se radi o rasponima? Ovo je po meni prilicno jak argument. Po meni je boja puno jači

Re: [Talk-hr] 1. mapping party - aftermath

2009-12-06 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 06:47:20PM +0100, Dražen Odobašić wrote: Problem je sljedeći, nisam našao jednostavan način kako integrirati openstreetview i JOSM. OSV omogućava preuzimanje KML datoteke s linkovima i koordinatama za slike nekog područja. No nakon toga treba složiti skriptu koja bi

Re: [Talk-hr] 1. mapping party - aftermath

2009-12-06 Thread Matija Nalis
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 02:13:28PM +0100, Marko Dimjasevic wrote: On Četvrtak, 03. Prosinac 2009. 11:58:16 Željko Filipin wrote: Ne znam prati li Marko ovu listu, ali očito je pisao o mapiranju u nedjelju, a nije ovdje javio. :)

[OSM-legal-talk] multiple editor touches to objects, transition plan concern

2009-12-06 Thread TimSC
Hi all, Here is a personal concern I have with the ODbL implementation plan. I was going to post it on the wiki, but I thought I want to have comments from interested parties before I post it. Extra marks for linking to pre-existing material, because we don't want to rehash the same stuff. :)

[OSM-legal-talk] Are closed issues really closed post ODbL data removal plan

2009-12-06 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
Apologies in advance if this is fanning the flames on the currently ongoing license flamewar but I have a (hopefully) innocent query on the matter. Last year I asked what was the plan exactly for removing any CC-BY-SA content left in the database after the now-scheduled changeover:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Simon Ward
On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 12:43:09AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: but while we’re trying to prevent all sides equally Preventing all sides equally is indeed something we're aiming at, with all our hearts ;-) Yes, thanks for that. I noticed not long after I sent the mail, but didn’t think

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Erik Johansson
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote: alternative term is “reciprocal license”. Share Alike license seems like he correct term since that is in our current license. Viral is a weasel word, bellow the belt. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:53 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Well, you may think Creative Commons is stupid, but I hope others will give them a chance and listen to what they have to say. I think they will, considering that Creative Commons is well known and respected, compared to Open

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread 80n
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: Matt Amos schreef: we're talking about moving to another license with very similar requirements, but a different implementation, and that's not

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Patrick Kilian
Hi all, I live in the United States. I can do whatever the heck I want with the OSM database. Now you want me to agree to a contract limiting those rights. So I'll ask again: What's in it for me? My data. The streets I mapped. The trails I mapped. The POIs I mapped. The Indonesian islands

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Anthony, Anthony wrote: I looked at the license and I said Why are they bothering with this crap? It's not like this stuff is copyrightable in the first place. Well, I guess that this stuff is protected by some laws in some jurisdictions, so CC-BY-SA is useful for waiving those rights in

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-06 Thread 80n
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:02 AM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:25 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:41 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Dec 5, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Ulf Lamping wrote: Remember: Steve is the head of the OSMF, so

Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you, LWG

2009-12-06 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 09:13:14PM -0700, SteveC wrote: Richard Weait schrieb: I think the LWG has done a good job on a difficult task. A task that we, as a community, asked them to do for us because we couldn't implement a license change as a group of 20,000 (at the time) individual

[OSM-talk] Full Database dump request - forking possible Was: [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 11:44:40PM +0100, Ulf Lamping wrote: Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started Tom Hughes schrieb: Polling the OSMF members is just the first stage - there will another vote later when all contributors will be asked whether they want

Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you, LWG

2009-12-06 Thread Jonas Krückel
Am 06.12.2009 um 10:47 schrieb Florian Lohoff: On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 09:13:14PM -0700, SteveC wrote: Richard Weait schrieb: I think the LWG has done a good job on a difficult task. A task that we, as a community, asked them to do for us because we couldn't implement a license change as a

Re: [OSM-talk] Full Database dump request - forking possible Was: [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Tom Hughes
On 06/12/09 09:59, Florian Lohoff wrote: I hereby request that the OSMF publishes a full (including history) Database Dump just prior deleting non ODbL relicensed data to allow a forking of OpenStreetmap under the old licensing terms. Which has exactly what to so with me? Of course they've

Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you, LWG

2009-12-06 Thread 80n
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Jonas Krückel o...@jonas-krueckel.dewrote: Am 06.12.2009 um 10:47 schrieb Florian Lohoff: On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 09:13:14PM -0700, SteveC wrote: Richard Weait schrieb: I think the LWG has done a good job on a difficult task. A task that we, as a

[OSM-talk] License - simple example

2009-12-06 Thread bernhard
hi all If somebody creates a printed map, is it allowed to make copies of this map and distribute the copies? With CC-BY-SA I think it is allowed to copy the map. Is it also allowed with ODBL? Bernhard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Lester Caine
SteveC wrote: Oh we have those people though, matt is calm, rational and diligently replying to the concerns. Note its mostly misunderstood or ignored by people like 80n. That frees me to lose my temper with the passive aggressive lot who just want to screw everything up and can't work

Re: [OSM-talk] Divided roads proposal

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: 1, 2. Dual carriageway 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Dual carriageway Alright, but let's be practical. It's a lot of effort to create and maintain pairs of roads (let's not call them dual carriageways - that's really a specific type of

[OSM-talk] OSM/GoogleMap mashup

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
Wondering if there is a site that overlays OSM data over GoogleMaps (or any other site, for that matter)? Not for tracing, but for checking completeness. It would be very interesting. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM/GoogleMap mashup

2009-12-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: Wondering if there is a site that overlays OSM data over GoogleMaps (or any other site, for that matter)? Several, for example http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc with a side-by side comparison and http://sautter.com/map/ with a transparent overlay. Bye Frederik --

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM/GoogleMap mashup

2009-12-06 Thread Sam Vekemans
I use the google earth KML overlay for that, it also has yahoo imagery also. There are GoogleMap hacks available, but thats too complicated. Its (google earth link) not on the wiki because its a sensative issue. Google search 'openstreetmap kml overlay google earth' AFAIK there are 2 versions

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM/GoogleMap mashup

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: http://sautter.com/map/ with a transparent overlay. That's really cool, thanks! Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM/GoogleMap mashup

2009-12-06 Thread Ciprian Talaba
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: Wondering if there is a site that overlays OSM data over GoogleMaps (or any other site, for that matter)? Several, for example http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc with a side-by side comparison

Re: [OSM-talk] License - simple example

2009-12-06 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Domingo, 6 de Diciembre de 2009, bernhard escribió: hi all If somebody creates a printed map, is it allowed to make copies of this map and distribute the copies? Yes. With CC-BY-SA I think it is allowed to copy the map. Is it also allowed with ODBL? Yes. The main difference between

Re: [OSM-talk] Divided roads proposal

2009-12-06 Thread Lester Caine
Steve Bennett wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org mailto:o...@inbox.org wrote: 1, 2. Dual carriageway 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Dual carriageway Alright, but let's be practical. It's a lot of effort to create and maintain pairs of roads (let's not call them

Re: [OSM-talk] Full Database dump request - forking possible Was: [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:59, Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org wrote: I hereby request that the OSMF publishes a full (including history) Database Dump just prior deleting non ODbL relicensed data to allow a forking of OpenStreetmap under the old licensing terms. There already is a plan for a

Re: [OSM-talk] License - simple example

2009-12-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: If somebody creates a printed map, is it allowed to make copies of this map and distribute the copies? Yes. With CC-BY-SA I think it is allowed to copy the map. Is it also allowed with ODBL? Yes. Well... that's only half the answer. With CC-BY-SA, it

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Mike Collinson
At 10:26 PM 5/12/2009, Ian Dees wrote: On Dec 5, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: If you are an OSMF member then you should have received an email about this vote, which contains a URL with which you can access this site. If you have not received an email, first please

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Mike Collinson
At 01:58 AM 6/12/2009, John Smith wrote: 2009/12/6 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: The License Working Group has spent months, well probably nearer years, on the license change. They know one heck of a lot more about legal systems than myself. They are people that I trust. Therefore

Re: [OSM-talk] Divided roads proposal

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Many of the example pictures have end cases that need to be handled by separated roads, so why not just draw the reality on the ground? Because, as someone else pointed out, drawing the reality on the ground isn't the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Richard Fairhurst
80n wrote: You've spent many many hours studying the licensing issues and claim to have a deep understanding of the issues. If CC BY-SA is as broken as you claim it is then Google, Navteq, Teleatlas and many others would all have helped themselves to our data by now. You can't continue

Re: [OSM-talk] Divided roads proposal

2009-12-06 Thread Lester Caine
Steve Bennett wrote: Honestly though, the primary function of OSM is not the micro view. We're not primarily interested in centimetre perfect placement of lumps of concrete. Are you really suggesting that we don't use a feature because it might interfere with the micro view, even though it

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-06 Thread Dave Stubbs
as far as i can see the contributor terms definition says the same thing, except ... ...except the context is different.  With CC BY-SA you are giving everyone the same rights.  With the Contributor Terms the only one to have those rights is the OSMF. But only with the condition that

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread 80n
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: 80n wrote: You've spent many many hours studying the licensing issues and claim to have a deep understanding of the issues. If CC BY-SA is as broken as you claim it is then Google, Navteq, Teleatlas and many

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] my views on the ODbL

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 1:48 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: What I'm curious about is if a document is written in XML can be considered copyrighted, why can't geo-data be copyrighted as well since it's not a database of facts, but a document of information created, in this

Re: [OSM-talk] Divided roads proposal

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: I think my only problem with 'divided' is At what point do you apply it? The samples being shown are quite clearly - on the whole - dual carriageway structures. (Just on terminology, I'm used to dual carriageway only

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-06 Thread 80n
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.ukwrote: as far as i can see the contributor terms definition says the same thing, except ... ...except the context is different. With CC BY-SA you are giving everyone the same rights. With the Contributor Terms the

Re: [OSM-talk] Full Database dump request - forking possible Was: [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Ulf Lamping
Simone Cortesi schrieb: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:59, Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org wrote: I hereby request that the OSMF publishes a full (including history) Database Dump just prior deleting non ODbL relicensed data to allow a forking of OpenStreetmap under the old licensing terms. There

Re: [OSM-talk] Divided roads proposal

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: 1, 2. Dual carriageway 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Dual carriageway Alright, but let's be practical. It's a lot of effort to create and maintain pairs of roads

[OSM-talk] Logo status?

2009-12-06 Thread Robert Martinez
After some research coincidence I found out about the logo contest for the foundation. Is there a contest for the actual logo, too? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:18 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: However, one thing you should perhaps consider is this argument of project sanity: We're all in this together. It's no good having a license that has different effects in different countries. And that is one of the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-06 Thread Niklas Cholmkvist
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:55 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: great-snip There's no safeguard, for example, that prevents the OSMF from changing the Contributor Terms.  They can do that at any point in the future without any kind of vote or other formality.  That's a pretty big hole in itself

Re: [OSM-talk] Divided roads proposal

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Is the benefit just so you can get more precise with area micromapping? Let's assume, because it's true, that volunteer mapping time is limited, and the use of areas to micromap roads is rare, and certainly not expected by end

Re: [OSM-talk] Full Database dump request - forking possible Was: [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Klaus-Guenter Leiss
Am 6 Dec 2009 um 12:53 hat Simone Cortesi geschrieben: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:59, Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org wrote: I hereby request that the OSMF publishes a full (including history) Database Dump just prior deleting non ODbL relicensed data to allow a forking of OpenStreetmap under

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM/GoogleMap mashup

2009-12-06 Thread Dave F.
Steve Bennett wrote: Wondering if there is a site that overlays OSM data over GoogleMaps (or any other site, for that matter)? Not for tracing, but for checking completeness. It would be very interesting. Within GM There's the My Maps tab. Then click the 'Browse the Directory' search for

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-06 Thread Matt Amos
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: If the value of OSM data ever gets very near the value of map data owned by companies like Navteq and Teleatlas then OSMF becomes a very tempting target.  The safeguards that have been put in place (a vote of the OSMF membership and

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSMdata ...

2009-12-06 Thread John F. Eldredge
It is my (possibly mistaken) impression that, once the new contract goes into effect, any old data that had been entered, previous to the new contract, by someone who does not agree to the new contract, will be removed from the database. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM/GoogleMap mashup

2009-12-06 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Sunday 06 Dec 2009 4:32:08 pm Steve Bennett wrote: Wondering if there is a site that overlays OSM data over GoogleMaps (or any other site, for that matter)? Not for tracing, but for checking completeness. It would be very interesting. should that not be overlaying GoogleMaps over OSM data

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:12 AM, Patrick Kilian o...@petschge.de wrote: Hi all, I live in the United States. I can do whatever the heck I want with the OSM database. Now you want me to agree to a contract limiting those rights. So I'll ask again: What's in it for me? My data. The

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Matt Amos
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:03 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: You can't continue to claim that CC BY-SA is broken without some evidence of our data being abused.  Put up or shut up, please. Show us the evidence of license abuse please.

[OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-06 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
I've been following the CC-ODbL license discussions for quite long time and I have persistent question that I've been meaning to ask. The recent lively debates on osmf-talk that have spilled over here prompted me to ask now. Why do people believe that there no creative copyright in OSM data

Re: [OSM-talk] Logo status?

2009-12-06 Thread Henk Hoff
No, at the moment there is only a contest for the logo of the OSM Foundation. Cheers, Henk 2009/12/6 Robert Martinez m...@mray.de After some research coincidence I found out about the logo contest for the foundation. Is there a contest for the actual logo, too?

[OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread Pieren
Because the foundation is deciding now if the current Odbl 1.0 licence proposal will be the next OSM licence you will have to accept or refuse in February 2010, I would like to know what the community itself thinks about this Odbl 1.0. As Ulf Lamping said, it will be a gun on your head in Feb.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-06 Thread 80n
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: If the value of OSM data ever gets very near the value of map data owned by companies like Navteq and Teleatlas then OSMF becomes a very tempting target. The

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: Why do people believe that there no creative copyright in OSM data (i.e., why is CC-BY-SA supposedly indefensible for OSM data)? I'm talking about the US-type of copyright that is based on sufficient creativity, and not

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Dave F.
Shalabh wrote: Steve, I have to agree with John. Fence sitter or not, Ulf has raised a point which has not been answered till now. More importantly, mappers like me who contribute everyday and are not part of OSMF have no clue about what this is. Now that this discussion is so openly in

Re: [OSM-talk] Divided roads proposal

2009-12-06 Thread Lester Caine
Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: I think my only problem with 'divided' is At what point do you apply it? The samples being shown are quite clearly - on the whole - dual carriageway

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Patrick Kilian
I live in the United States. I can do whatever the heck I want with the OSM database. Now you want me to agree to a contract limiting those rights. So I'll ask again: What's in it for me? My data. The streets I mapped. The trails I mapped. The POIs I mapped. The Indonesian islands I

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
It is clear that we all have different opinions about this license change. However, I would like to hear down-to-earth explaining what and how will happen when license change kicks in? How OSMF will work with contributors to get their data converted? How they will try to convince them? etc. If it

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Anthony wrote: Actually, I was planning on doing exactly this with a map of my office on the back of my business card. I'm not about to start handing out CDs along with my business cards. I think you are only required to hand out the database on which your rendering is based. And it

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread Sebastian Hohmann
Pieren schrieb: Because the foundation is deciding now if the current Odbl 1.0 licence proposal will be the next OSM licence you will have to accept or refuse in February 2010, I would like to know what the community itself thinks about this Odbl 1.0. As Ulf Lamping said, it will be a gun on

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Sebastian Hohmann wrote: I kind of miss the choise of No, but I consider all my data PD. Because even though any PD data could be also made ODbL, there is no sense in declaring it PD if it's not collected and published as PD. Unless there is a mechanisim in OSM to e.g. Download only PD

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-06 Thread Matt Amos
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:05 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: If the value of OSM data ever gets very near the value of map data owned by companies like Navteq

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Anthony wrote: Actually, I was planning on doing exactly this with a map of my office on the back of my business card. I'm not about to start handing out CDs along with my business cards. I think you are only

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Sebastian Hohmann m...@s-hohmann.de wrote: I kind of miss the choise of No, but I consider all my data PD. Because even though any PD data could be also made ODbL, there is no sense in declaring it PD if it's not collected and published as PD. Unless there is a

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: In other words: If you want to use OSM data without attribution or share-alike, you may do so by distributing the program that makes the derivative, rather than the derivative itself. This is perfectly permissible

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Dave F.
SteveC wrote: No there's an entire other list for it... But the LWG has tried hard to keep the other lists up to date. The evidence with the number of posts here suggests that it didn't work. This situation reminds me of the location of the planning application in the opening chapters of The

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I haven't decided, but I'll probably even grant y'all the permission to use my previous contributions without any restrictions whatsoever. I don't have a problem with that. What I have a problem with is agreeing to the ODbL.

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/12/6 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: Because the foundation is deciding now if the current Odbl 1.0 licence proposal will be the next OSM licence you will have to accept or refuse in February 2010, I would like to know what the community itself thinks about this Odbl 1.0. I missed an option

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread Pieren
And I would like that people reading this thread forwards and translates this call to other local lists for the widest polling as possible. Unfortunately, the licence itself is not (yet) translated. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:25 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: I missed an option saying I'm in favour of ODbL but may not be in position to agree to relicense all data I uploaded (because part of it is CC-BY-SA owned by other authors). Cheers As far as I understood (but some

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-06 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: But I would argue that a selection of a finite set from an infinite possible nodes that can represent the centerline of a road is a sufficiently creative

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: If we find that 80% of OSMers actually are pro PD then this will not change the license one bit, but it might perhaps help reduce some share-alike zealotry and we might interpret some things in a more relaxed way (and

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread Sebastian Hohmann
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Hi, Sebastian Hohmann wrote: I kind of miss the choise of No, but I consider all my data PD. Because even though any PD data could be also made ODbL, there is no sense in declaring it PD if it's not collected and published as PD. Unless there is a mechanisim in

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread Matt Amos
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:25 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: I missed an option saying I'm in favour of ODbL but may not be in position to agree to relicense all data I uploaded (because part of it is CC-BY-SA owned

Re: [OSM-talk] Full Database dump request - forking possible Was: [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Since some people feel about the vote like being held hostage with a gun to their head somebody should solve their dilemma. Fork now and everybody that might compelled to vote yes for fear to lose their data can vote no and know they have a new project that has all the data but does not

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: Now whether one set of 20 nodes or a different set of 20 nodes better represent the shape of a road is a matter of creative subjectivity. Neither set is more mistaken nor more inaccurate than the other. What set of

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread Ulf Lamping
Pieren schrieb: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:25 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: I missed an option saying I'm in favour of ODbL but may not be in position to agree to relicense all data I uploaded (because part of it is CC-BY-SA owned by other authors). Cheers As far as I

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/12/6 Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: So if your uploads are based on other authors who will reject the new licence, the data will remain anyway if you, the last contributor in the history of this element accepts the new

Re: [OSM-talk] Divided roads proposal

2009-12-06 Thread Richard Bullock
3) Extra precision requires more time, which we don't necessarily have. Let's say that we agree that all divided roads should be mapped as two ways. Let's also say it takes on average 1 minute to trace out a single way. There's a volunteer with 60 divided roads to map in front of him, and

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-06 Thread Klaus-Guenter Leiss
Am 6 Dec 2009 um 16:12 hat Matt Amos geschrieben: ok, let's try and be constructive about this... what would you suggest? given that this tactic would work with any service - the only thing i can think of is to have an organisation governed by its members; OSMF. this introduces other problems,

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Ouch! So I can write a small script that touches every element in the OSM database to own the copyright of the whole database?!? Well, that's certainly not my understanding of copyright! Regards, ULFL No, Matt

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread Nop
Hi! Pieren schrieb: Therefore, I would like to know what you, the contributor, thinks today about the transition to Odbl 1.0 licence in this opinion poll: http://doodle.com/feqszqirqqxi4r7w It is good that there is a general poll of opinion. This is something the OSMF should have

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-06 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: Now whether one set of 20 nodes or a different set of 20 nodes better represent the shape of a road is a matter of creative subjectivity. Neither set is

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org mailto:o...@inbox.org wrote: I haven't decided, but I'll probably even grant y'all the permission to use my previous contributions without any restrictions whatsoever. I don't have a problem with that.

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread Tobias Knerr
Pieren wrote: Could someone deliver a script that could make this automatically for me :take all elements where I am the last contributor but not the only one then delete and recreate them identically under my user account then all my efforts are saved at the licence transition ? In my

Re: [OSM-talk] Halcyon/MapCSS question

2009-12-06 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/2 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net You shouldn't need to add :area for it to render. :area just means only use this rule if the way is closed (i.e. start and end points are the same). So you

Re: [OSM-talk] Full Database dump request - forking possible Was: [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Klaus-Guenter Leiss
Am 6 Dec 2009 um 8:59 hat Apollinaris Schoell geschrieben: Since some people feel about the vote like being held hostage with a gun to their head somebody should solve their dilemma. Fork now and everybody that might compelled to vote yes for fear to lose their data can vote no and

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread 80n
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Pieren wrote: Could someone deliver a script that could make this automatically for me :take all elements where I am the last contributor but not the only one then delete and recreate them identically under my user

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: Well, unless you specify an accuracy tolerance level AND the number of nodes for each geographical feature. But then, the selection of both metrics for each geographical feature can still be considered a creative

Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you, LWG

2009-12-06 Thread Ulf Lamping
Apollinaris Schoell schrieb: On 5 Dec 2009, at 20:03 , Ulf Lamping wrote: I'm sorry, but for the last two years I can't remember asking for a license change at all. Sorry but this topic was many times on many lists, it's on the wiki. If you didn't care then why do you care now? You may

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/12/6 80n 80n...@gmail.com: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Pieren wrote: Could someone deliver a script that could make this automatically for me  :take all elements where I am the last contributor but not the only one then delete and recreate

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 1:06 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Using the object history is just an approximation based on the assumption that mappers will usually keep an object if they are improving existing data, and

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org mailto: o...@inbox.org wrote: I haven't decided, but I'll probably even grant y'all the permission to use my previous contributions

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: So if it is really your intention to not use OSM data any more but still let us use your past contributions, you can safely check one of the Agree options? By the way, I should clarify, I certainly don't plan to stop

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: My understanding is that by using this site you agree to the ODbL will be part of the terms of service of the OSM website, so I can't even *reject* the contributor terms without agreeing to the ODbL. Hmm, thinking about this more,

Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you, LWG

2009-12-06 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 6 Dec 2009, at 10:25 , Ulf Lamping wrote: Apollinaris Schoell schrieb: On 5 Dec 2009, at 20:03 , Ulf Lamping wrote: I'm sorry, but for the last two years I can't remember asking for a license change at all. Sorry but this topic was many times on many lists, it's on the wiki. If you

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-06 Thread John F. Eldredge
If the person who originally mapped the noses does not agree, does this mean that all of the information on the way must be deleted? If a particular contributor has died since making their contributions, they cannot either agree nor disagree. Does this mean that all work derived from their

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