On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote:
From this and several earlier discussions I get the impression that the
group
of Australians currently so active on the mailing list isn't lazy but they
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
But now with the advent of high quality aerial photography that we can
trace from (I'm thinking of nearmap, in australia), you don't have to visit
the street to get the shape.
But...where do you get the street name
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote:
Quick answer as requested:
1. Your jurisdiction may give databases of facts protection over and above
the facts themselves. Simplifying hugely, the EU does, the US doesn't.
http://www.iusmentis.com/databases/ for
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote:
Anthony wrote:
I'd say a key provision there is the one about repeated and systematic
extraction of insubstantial parts. If you're just using a map site
occasionally, when you hit a snag, that's one thing
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote:
There is no point endangering the
genuinely collected data for the sake of some lazy copying.
So, when the license change occurs, OSM is going to delete everything and
start all over from scratch?
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote:
well, I myself consider rendering all polygon-names a feature (nice to see
which features are maybe missing in the stylesheet), but for a clean map
for the consumer I'd agree with you (though I don't consider
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
But if I was going to be doing ground surveys, there are lots of places
I'd rather visit than these new outer suburban housing developments.
Why
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote:
But OSM does not require copyright assignment, so it is not *directly*
relevant.
What OSMF requires in the current draft is for you to effectively give up
your copyright altogether. OSMF then copyrights the database as a
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote:
On 01/01/10 17:40, Anthony wrote:
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote:
But OSM does not require copyright assignment, so it is not *directly*
relevant.
What OSMF requires
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote:
I believe that GMM can be a serious competition to OSM if it is simpler
to use, easier to learn and thus more inviting to the casual newcomer.
I'm still not convinced that competition is the proper term for it.
With GMM you have
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote:
But you note later, when your edit has been changed into something that you
don't understand or someone sends you a notice to do it some other way. :-(
1) I really don't think someone who wants simple is going to check back
later to
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote:
On 01/01/2010 14:14, Steve Bennett wrote:
Well...ok. But in this case I have the aerial photography, so I can just
trace it, once I know more or less where the path goes.
Though yes, this is not really necessary
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 6:49 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2010/1/2 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org:
Even if you have access to good arial photography, remember that it might
be
out of alignment, it can be a good advise to gather some good fixes to
check
the alignment
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
ava...@gmail.com wrote:
And that's just fine, GMM getting more users doesn't make
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
There are many sources of error in SRTM and GPS and barometric height
measures.
First of all
Height compared to what?
WGS84 adjusted by the deviation between WGS84 and EGM96 at the lat/lon of
the measurement? Would that work?
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 3:08 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
That said, I personally find the highway tagging guidelines difficult to
apply anyway. In states without formal legal road classifications we might
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 1:34 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/29 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
What's so important about traffic_calming tags? True, they will affect
accurate trip time planning, but is that it?
He's assuming it's a objective way to map
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009, Anthony wrote:
I suppose all
the bicyclists in OSM would disagree with that, but they don't have much
use for primary/secondary/tertiary designations either, do they?
Of course we do, we want to avoid
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
We want to avoid roads with too much traffic.
None of these maps are going to check for hills
It doesn't matter whose definition of primary/secondary/tertiary
because the object is ride on the lower grade roads having
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Gervase Markham wrote:
The new Contributor Terms contain the equivalent of a joint copyright
assignment to the OSMF.
You have said that multiple times already, but I - and, it seems, others
- don't view it that way.
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
I gather the convention is to mark any unsurveyed road which one has some
information as simply highway=road, on the basis that you know nothing
else about it.
Looking at the highway tagging guidelines for Australia (
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:56 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
It isn't the most objective way to do things, but then it's going to
be subjective somewhere, the only difference is if you make the
decision or someone in council does.
I'm perfectly fine with letting the people in
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/27 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
In Australia there is this legacy speed limit sign for people with
racing licenses that they can drive any speed they wish, everyone else
is limited to 100, how
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
John Smith wrote:
2009/12/23 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com:
i had an idea recently, that it might be possible to map a stream or
small river (in an area with poor aerial photo coverage) by using a
gps in a
How about a dog tracker?:
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=209pID=8576
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=209pID=8576
$599 (USD)?
Err... that's for the whole lot. As I clearly stated only the collar
transmitter might need replacing.
My bad. You're
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 7:57 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
I have found a nice source of ZipCode boundries,
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/h4ck3rm1k3/diary/8994
do you want to import them?
mike
No. Zip codes do not represent geographic
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Jeff Barlow j...@wb6csv.net wrote:
Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
No. Zip codes do not represent geographic regions. They should not be in
a
the map data, but in a separate database.
Please explain your reasoning. This claim seems quite
counterintuitive
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Jeremy Adams mile...@king-nerd.comwrote:
One can easily figure out what town someone is from based on their ZIP
Code. Is this not the case everywhere?
Certainly not. There are lots of zip codes which represent multiple towns,
and lots of towns which
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Jeremy Adams mile...@king-nerd.comwrote:
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Jeremy Adams mile...@king-nerd.comwrote:
One can easily figure out what town someone is from based on their ZIP
Code
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
*OpenStreetMap does not have deprecated features, as anybody is allowed
and encouraged to use any tag they think is useful.*
Geez, with rules like that maybe it would be better to start tagging for the
renderers.
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
This is particularly annoying to me as one of my major motivations in
contributing to OSM is to work towards producing really good bike maps of
Melbourne and surrounds. I'm shocked that I can't contribute to, or tweak,
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:54 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/20 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com
wrote:
OpenStreetMap does not have deprecated features, as anybody is
allowed
and encouraged to use any tag
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote:
The quality of OpenStreetMap's work speaks for itself, but it seems that
we need to speak about it too - especially now that Google is attempting
to to appear as holding the moral high ground by using terms such as
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.orgwrote:
If you have a certain fallback hierarchy that says dear renderers of the
world, if you encounter something tagged landuse=reserve and you don't
Then just start using your fallback tag. There's no need to tell the list
about it.
IMVHO, that approach is harmful in general (have you *seen* how many
different tags are out there?), and ironic in this instance.
Honestly, I don't see the harm in having lots of tags that everyone else can
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:41 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.orgwrote:
The quality of OpenStreetMap's work speaks for itself, but it seems that
we need to speak
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:38 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
I have updated the map with the building that I think it might be, but
also added a FIXME,
FWIW, I fixed it according to
http://www.sembler.com/pdfs/Shoppes%20Of%20Citrus%20Park.pdf
I
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
No, there's no junction node as the bridge goes over it, so
barrier=entrance is not right here.
Thanks everyone, especially Mike Harris and Martin Koppenhoefer. I'm
convinced that barrier=entrance is wrong in
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
barrier=drainpipe (as an access node), access=yes?
I guess barrier=culvert would be the more general and international term?
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
barrier=drainpipe (as an access node), access=yes?
I guess barrier=culvert would
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, I've finally understood..oops. You want to map this as a node, not
a way.
Well, my only other alternatives are to screw up the geometry (there's no
gap between the edge of the road and the edge of the tunnel) or to
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote:
Steve Bennett wrote:
Alight, I've had enough of this.
You've had enough of it!!! After nearly fifty emails about how to tag a
ditch with a bridge over it in a few hours I think everyone in OSM has
had enough of it.
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote:
Shalabh wrote:
1. A group of really useless people with nothing better to discuss or
2. A group of really diligent people making the world's map better
and being assinine about it.
3. A group of no doubt
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:06 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
What urls dont work?
Every one I've tried so far. Here's one:
http://iaspub.epa.gov/enviro/national_kml.registry_html?p_registry_id=110038277664
See
assuming this is your comment Anthony? (I'm starting to lose track of
the thread).
Yes, it's mine.
OdbL is meant to be copyleft for source data, as far as I can now tell.
I have no idea what it's meant to be.
But what's the problem with people incorporating it into data under more
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:17 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
Perhaps my previous hints were too subtle, but you've stated that
cc-by-sa isn't enforceable in your jurisdiction so how will you use
something unenforceable to prevent it from being relicensed as ODBL?
Again, I
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:57 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
In any case, if OSM decides to take the position that my contributions
are
not copyrightable, and therefore they are free to incorporate them into
an
ODBL project, that means I
CC-BY-SA says this: You may not offer or impose any terms on the Work that
alter or restrict the terms of this License or the recipients' exercise of
the rights granted hereunder.
The ODbL attempts to do exactly that.
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In a park is a ditch. There is a very small bridge going over the ditch.
I've tagged the ditch with barrier=ditch. Should the ditch be layer=-1?
Even though the park is layer=0? Should I use barrier=entrance on the node
where the ways overlap, bridge=yes on the bridge (which means splitting the
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:28 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
Yeah, well, a contract can't be enforced against people who agree to it.
I think you meant disagree, but only if you have a suitable
license/legal method that can enforce that term
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:21 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
CC-BY-SA says this: You may not offer or impose any terms on the Work
that
alter or restrict the terms of this License or the recipients' exercise
of
the rights granted
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:50 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
CC-BY-SA isn't enforcible on anything. It grants rights, it doesn't
take
them away.
It's a license, if you break licenses on software you can be taken to
court to make sure you
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:31 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
No, if you break copyright law you can be taken to court to make sure you
don't break copyright law in the future. If break licenses, then,
well,
it depends on the license
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:36 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
In a park is a ditch. There is a very small bridge going over the
ditch.
I've tagged the ditch
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:47 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:36 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
wrote:
I tend to mark bridges as layer=1 and anything at ground level I don't
set a layer tag,
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
So I've used barrier=entrance for the node where the way and the ditch
cross.
More specifically, barrier=entrance and bridge=yes.
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On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:40 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:27 PM, David Fawcett david.fawc...@gmail.com
wrote:
I also don't think that man_made=envionmental_hazard is an appropriate
tag.
That is easy to fix.
Not
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:37 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
The example I described above clearly demonstrates that you can't
differentiate between company A who doesn't use a derived database and
company B who does.
What if company C makes a derived database and gives it to company D?
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
Okay, so if company C makes derived database and gives it to company D,
then
company D creates tiles with that database, company D has to offer
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 1:02 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/13 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
If geodata is not copyrightable, then Share Alike is meaningless. The
original work is public domain, and the modified work is also public
domain.
Assuming public domains
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:08 AM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
We could, however, introduce a arc tag... To represent an arc, you
only need
three points (start, end, and any third point on the arc uniquely defines
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:15 AM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote:
The location, size, shape of each building is a fact. No inaccuracy
was intended. So does this image have copyright protection?
http://www.limitemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/steph02.jpg
I don't think you can
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
Just like if I use the OSM database to determine a route, or to determine
which streets are missing from my own map, or to determine the locations of
all the fire stations in Tampa.
Or if I took a rendered Mapnik map
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 7:20 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/14 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
For the areas where geodata is not copyrightable, CC-BY-SA isn't needed.
You mean cc-by-sa doesn't apply, which is the whole point, some want
SA to apply regardless if cc-by-sa
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:14 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/14 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
No, I mean it isn't needed.
If everyone believed it wasn't needed we wouldn't be having this
discussion...
Quite true!
I believe you added something to my comments.
What did
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
I think we have now established that whenever you do something with OSM
data that involves a derivative database, but just to make things
simpler for you and not as an absolutely necessary component, then
nobody can
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
Where does one draw the line between a Derivative Database, a Collective
Database, and a Produced Work anyway? Can a Produced Work also be a
Derivative Database? If not, which definition overrides the other? An
image qualifies
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 12:48 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote:
It is a big deal to me, it's some kind of dream of a better world
where practically all geospatial data (also software if you're a FOSS
programmer) has to be free if you want to tap into the huge knowledge
base all
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 8:17 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
The problem I have with that is my labour is used to commercially
benefit others and in turn nothing they do would have to be returned
to the community.
So you want to be given something in return for your labor?
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:56 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
That's the issue I have, I have no problem giving back to the
community, but I don't want commercial companies just sucking up all
the data and not giving hardly anything back in return if they extend
the map, it's
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:12 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/13 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:56 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
wrote:
That's the issue I have, I have no problem giving back to the
community, but I don't want
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:32 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/13 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
If CC-BY-SA can enforce what? Attribution? If geodata isn't
copyrightable,
then it doesn't matter if the derivative works are released under
CC-BY-SA.
CC-BY is attribution
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:03 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote:
2) One or more contributors suing for copyright infringement - one of the
things that ODbL supposedly fixes is being sued for this by individual
contributors, so lets discount it for now.
The ODbL doesn't cover the
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:54 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/11 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
Plus I think OSM is going to lose a huge chunk of the database over this.
This would be a disaster, but some have already mentioned having a
read only database with non-ODBL data
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:54 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/11 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
Plus I think OSM is going to lose a huge chunk of the database over this.
This would be a disaster, but some have
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 5:26 AM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote:
The downside of not requiring copyright assignment is that OSMF can't sue
for copyright infringement of the data.
I believe some other projects get around that by assigning the project as an
agent for the purposes of
2009/12/11 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net
Anthony schrieb:
2009/12/10 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net mailto:
osm-l...@deelkar.net
Anthony schrieb:
That does it, I'm making a way with name=Northern Hemisphere. Or
would
that be name=equator. Doesn't work
2009/12/11 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net
(JFTR: -180 and +180 degrees are valid longitudes.)
So a way from -180 to +180 would be the equator, but the software wouldn't
realize it's closed since -180=+180.
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On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:05 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
And the original contributors can't sue for breach of contract or
infringement of the database rights, correct? In that sense, this is a lot
*like* a copyright
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote:
For the 340+ who replied, we have:
30% yes, I will accept the new license Odbl
45% yes and consider all my data Public domain (no restrictions)
3%
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Shalabh shalab...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Shalabh wrote:
While I am not advocating a fork (I am anyway voting a yes to ODBL), I
dont
think a single community is always the answer.
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote:
Brendan Morley wrote:
All for addressing, as far as I can tell, a theoretical problem, with no
real-world exploits.
I understand that actual exploits would make the problem more obvious,
but I find the underlying
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:03 AM, paul youlten paul.youl...@gmail.comwrote:
Where does this Business Bad:OSM good binary come from? (I suspect
the Germans ;-))
No idea. Like I said, as a self-employed person, I find the distinction
incredibly confusing :). Business is great. It's what
2009/12/10 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net
Anthony schrieb:
That does it, I'm making a way with name=Northern Hemisphere. Or would
that be name=equator. Doesn't work, does it?
No, you can't put in the equator as a *closed* way, since the API
doesn't allow the way to wrap around
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
ava...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 14:55, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
Good analogy, actually. ODbL is the fancy million dollar lock (which is
brand new and has been tested much less than your previous $50 one
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:14 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/12/11 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
It's not. However, if we could convince businesses to give back to the
community, it'd be better.
If you feel that way, the ODBL would in principal be the better option
those nine people will
*never* tell us the answer, because it just isn't something important enough
to take that far.
As such, there's really no sense in debating it. Or to pointing out legal
opinions, consensus, or anyone else's guess.
Anthony
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
If Steve were to say let's go PD, everone would howl: You're only doing
this so that CloudMade can rip us off!
If Steve says let's go ODbL, he is accused of only doing this because it
keeps CloudMade in business by
That does it, I'm making a way with name=Northern Hemisphere. Or would that
be name=equator. Doesn't work, does it?
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
... the excellent Philippines mapping team who managed to create one
single closed way enclosing an
at 11:10 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
That does it, I'm making a way with name=Northern Hemisphere. Or would
that be name=equator. Doesn't work, does it?
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On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM, mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote:
A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to
be forked?
Technically, it does. But remember that the OSMF is granted a special
license in addition to the ODbL. Any fork would be at a major
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM, mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote:
A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to
be forked?
Technically, it does. But remember that the OSMF is granted a special
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:14 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com
wrote:
2009/12/8 Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2009, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM, mapp
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
The Contributor Terms actually still aren't clear about what exactly *is*
happening. The ODbL only applies to the database as a whole, not the
individual data. The individual data is supposed to be licensed under a
different
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:21 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote:
it's in that spirit, but it's also worth pointing out that we aren't
asking for
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
John Smith deltafoxtrot256 at gmail.com writes:
If GPLv3 was inspired by Tivo, I think this license is somewhat
inspired by Google and other commercial mapping companies, who have a
habbit of sucking in all the data they can
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:22 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Sebastian Hohmann wrote:
I don't know about that legal stuff in detail, but I agree that CC0
would probably be the best licence. If OSM won't go and really try to
sue people, why protect the
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:43 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:22 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Sebastian Hohmann wrote:
I don't know about that legal stuff in detail, but I agree
it.
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:54 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Anthony wrote:
Same reason that CC-BY-SA doesn't apply to geodata. It mostly isn't
protected by copyright law.
What do you think TeleAtlas and NavTeq think about that? Have they been
wasting
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:04 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Anthony wrote:
There's no reason to license data if it's factual.
You're jumping from your pseudo-legal argument to your moral argument. It
would help you if you separated them.
It'd help if you
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