Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread Philip Barnes
On Friday, 24 May 2019, SK53 wrote: > As a walker I appreciate walking through a real hay meadow full of > attractive flowers rather than a sterile green desert of rye grass. And as a walker a real meadow is a very nice place to sit down and enjoy a relaxing lunch or coffee break. Phil

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread Philip Barnes
I have used farmland=pasture and farmland=arable to cover these cases. Other cases could be farmland=vineyard. Sadly too many mappers use meadow to describe pasture which is a shame as it would be good to be able to find real meadows. Obviously these cannot easily be armchaired. I don't

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 13 May 2019, Dave F via Talk-transit wrote: > > > On 13/05/2019 16:14, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > > I can see that when its raining I may want the router to direct me to a > > stop with a shelter rather than stand in the rain. > Surely you need

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 13 May 2019, Dave F via Talk-transit wrote: > > > On 12/05/2019 23:14, Jo wrote: > > About the stop_area relations, they're not needed everywhere, but they > > could be used to show what belongs together. Of course, that would mean all > > the objects related to the stop at one side

Re: [Talk-GB] How to tag this?

2019-05-08 Thread Philip Barnes
Also building=phonebox which I use. The most common usage is defibrillators and bookshares. Phil (trigpoint) On Wednesday, 8 May 2019, Martin Wynne wrote: > On 08/05/2019 12:46, Andy Townsend wrote: > > > It's a bit of a stretch, but perhaps some kind of tourist information > > feature? > >

Re: [Talk-GB] London venues

2019-04-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2019-03-13 at 23:14 +, Rob Nickerson wrote: > Hi all, > > For the next OSM UK annual general meeting we thought we would try > London as a possible location. Does anyone know of good (and cheap) > venues that we can use? We have 100 members but would expect the > number to actually

Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?

2019-04-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2019-04-27 at 18:10 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote: > barrier=stile seems unhelpful to me if rendered as a normal stile > symbol, for walkers needing to know if they will have to climb any. > > barrier=chicane would perhaps be more descriptive? barrier=chicane will already be in use,

Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?

2019-04-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2019-04-27 at 17:18 +0100, Michael Collinson wrote: > ced close to each other (usually in a drystone wall) to > leave a gap wide enough for humans and sheep dogs to squeeze through That is a squeeze stile, stile=squeezer.

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Collaboration with shire transport authorities

2019-04-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2019-04-23 at 11:45 +0100, Brian Prangle wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone > Mainly for west mids mappers but cross-posted to talkgb for a wider > audience. > For some time I've collaborated with TfWM who make extensive > use of OpenStreetMap. Together

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping a combined stile and gate?

2019-04-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2019-04-22 at 15:34 +0100, Roger Calvert wrote: > The Lake District National Park instructions to footpath > surveyors > recommends: > > > > "Where there are two items of furniture for the same crossing > (for > example, a gate and a stile alongside each other), then

Re: [Talk-GB] Removal of redundant NaPTAN data

2019-04-04 Thread Philip Barnes
I believe they were the zones covered by plusbus tickets. Although the Telford one is certainly unlikely as it has not been maintained since the import and Telford has expanded beyond it. Phil (trigpoint) On Thursday, 4 April 2019, Stuart Reynolds wrote: > What do you mean by “pay scale”? Are

Re: [Talk-GB] Removal of redundant NaPTAN data

2019-04-04 Thread Philip Barnes
The Telford one certainly looks highly dubious cutting residential areas and bus routes. I agree these and public transport routes are best left to organisations such as traveline. After all a bus route without timetable information is pretty useless. Phil (trigpoint) On Thursday, 4 April

Re: [Talk-GB] State of the Map 2019, Heidelberg 21-23 Sept

2019-04-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2019-03-30 at 14:13 +, Jez Nicholson wrote: > That's interestingI'd wanted to go by train before as its more > eco-friendly and more interesting, but struggled with the cost > compared to flights. Do you use Loco2.com to plan? I have used loco2, but since they have stopped selling

Re: [Talk-GB] State of the Map 2019, Heidelberg 21-23 Sept

2019-03-29 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2019-03-13 at 17:03 +, Jez Nicholson wrote: > Have you considered going to State of the Map 2019 in Heidelberg? > https://2019.stateofthemap.org/ > Assuming that we are still allowed to travel to Europe, you could > currently get a return flight from Gatwick to Stuttgart for £75 and a

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of Argos stores

2019-03-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2019-03-10 at 15:15 +, David Woolley wrote: > On 10/03/2019 14:58, Donald Noble wrote: > > > I suspect shop=catalogue is probably the best option for a normal > > Argos > > store, but just wondering: > > a) if anything special is needed when it is just a counter in > > another > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of Argos stores

2019-03-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2019-03-10 at 14:58 +, Donald Noble wrote: > I noticed recently that an Argos[1] counter has opened inside the > large Sainsbury's supermarket at Murrayfield, but I am not sure how > best to tag this. > I had a quick look, and Argos stores in the UK seem to be tagged in > multiple

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2019-03-05 at 19:37 +, Andy Townsend wrote: > > but it's a rare bridleway that is only wide enough for a horse, > > As DaveF has already suggested, I suspect that's hugely > geographically variable - I can think of a few examples in > Derbyshire, Notts and Yorkshire where "public

Re: [Talk-GB] How to map new housing?

2019-03-08 Thread Philip Barnes
Field boundaries are often retained (development usually takes a field at a time), look out for these. They are a useful guide to aligning stuff with old aerial imagery. Phil (trigpoint) On Fri, 2019-03-08 at 14:38 +, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: > Hi > > Welcome to OSM. > > > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Problem Saving edit to Wiki: United Kingdom Tagging Guideline

2019-02-07 Thread Philip Barnes
Just wondering why the UK retail chains link has been removed? Phil (trigpoint) On 7 February 2019 16:18:35 GMT, Jez Nicholson wrote: >I think it must be you. I just edited the 'See Also..'. Perhaps it >secretly >wants you to create a "Driving Centres in the United Kingdom" page >instead >;) >

Re: [Talk-GB] Cotswolds AONB

2018-12-06 Thread Philip Barnes
Sorry that should be way 645960418, I typed the changeset number in error. Phil (trigpoint) On 6 December 2018 13:12:23 GMT, Philip Barnes wrote: >Not in a position to fix it now, but look at way 64621112. > >Phil (trigpoint) > >On 6 December 2018 12:57:47 GMT, Brian Prangle

Re: [Talk-GB] Cotswolds AONB

2018-12-06 Thread Philip Barnes
Not in a position to fix it now, but look at way 64621112. Phil (trigpoint) On 6 December 2018 12:57:47 GMT, Brian Prangle wrote: > Hi All > >I think this relation must be broken -it's disappeared from the main >rendered map.There's over a 1000 members - anyone like to have a go at >repairing

Re: [Talk-GB] Using data from OS maps

2018-11-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On 30 November 2018 11:49:08 GMT, Dave F wrote: > > >On 30/11/2018 11:09, Philip Barnes wrote: >> It is worth remembering that the PROWs shown on OS maps is an overlay >provided by the highway authority. > >They're surveyed by local authorities (paid for by us),

Re: [Talk-GB] Using data from OS maps

2018-11-30 Thread Philip Barnes
Hi The changeset comment is absolutely correct, we must not copy from OS maps, any such changes should be reverted. It is worth remembering that the PROWs shown on OS maps is an overlay provided by the highway authority. These lines often differ from the on the ground reality which is what

Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

2018-11-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2018-11-19 at 21:51 +, Gareth L wrote: > When you’re on the tube and it’s stopping at a mainline station, it > tends to say “change here for National rail services”. Elsewhere I > often hear it referred to as the national rail network and conversely > London Underground network for

Re: [OSM-talk] 3rd party API integration

2018-11-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2018-11-18 at 19:04 +, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 18/11/2018 18:23, Sebastian Kürten wrote: > > Interesting point. Do you have an example for something misspelled > > that > > returns interesting result on search engines? > > > > No, because normally if I see something mispelt in OSM

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcodes

2018-11-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2018-11-09 at 13:26 +, David Woolley wrote: > If centroid has the plain (mathematical) meaning of the word, it > will > only fall exactly on the building centre if there is only one > building > in the postcode area. > > In practice the building nearest the centroid might have its

Re: [OSM-talk] Proximity

2018-09-30 Thread Philip Barnes
As a rule, if somewhere large like a hospital is built then bus companies will change their routes to serve it. More local health centres are built to serve their local area, if you live in a settlement of a reasonable size you will expect the local health centre to be walkable without using

Re: [Talk-GB] Access restrictions for lorries above a certain GVM

2018-09-26 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2018-09-26 at 17:18 +0100, Tony Shield wrote: > Hi > > What are we going to tag? The length of road/way with the > restriction  > and which lanes, or the placement of the sign as a node and with > some  > directionality. > >  From the examples given it seems that passing the facing sign

Re: [Talk-GB] Access restrictions for lorries above a certain GVM

2018-09-26 Thread Philip Barnes
On 26 September 2018 15:21:41 BST, David Woolley wrote: >In practice you are not going to get an HGV restriction below 7.5T MAM >as that would rule out appliance delivery vehicles and house movers. That is why most are qualified with except for loading or except for access. I guess

Re: [Talk-GB] Access restrictions for lorries above a certain GVM

2018-09-26 Thread Philip Barnes
On 26 September 2018 13:13:51 BST, Mark Goodge wrote: > > >On 26/09/2018 13:00, Colin Smale wrote: >> On 2018-09-26 13:48, David Woolley wrote: >> >>> In that specific case (7.5T), which is the most common, it would be >>> hgv=no, as that is the defining maximum authorised mass for an HGV.

Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

2018-09-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On 7 September 2018 15:58:58 CEST, Martin Wynne wrote: > >> But that's my point. We can just look it up, if we start from the >> assumption that the Local Government Act distinction between a town >and >> a village (technically, between a town and a parish, but that's just >> terminology) is

Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

2018-09-07 Thread Philip Barnes
I think the presence of streetlights is a regional thing, certainly in Leicestershire only the smaller rural villages will lack street lights. Phil (trigpoint) On 7 September 2018 11:47:16 CEST, Martin Wynne wrote: > >> There are, indeed, multiple definitions of the difference between a >town

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Shropshire's rights of way

2018-09-04 Thread Philip Barnes
One of the big issues is with importing rights of way data there can be significant difference between the legal line shown in the data and what exists on the ground. Most rights of way have never been accurately surveyed, the lines were draw onto OS maps by parish councilors who were not

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2018-08-27 at 15:52 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote: > > Certainly as clear as mud, a router will should only look on the > > left > > side. How is that any different to landuse=railway? > > > > Phil (trigpoint) > > Hi Phil, > > For railways you can have landuse=railway_corridor for sidings

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2018-08-27 at 15:29 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote: > > > What you can't do is have landuse=highway, which would otherwise > > > be > > > the most logical way to deal with such areas. > > > > > > > Why not? I agree it is the most logical way of treating these > > areas. > > > > Phil

Re: [Talk-GB] When is a hedge a wood?

2018-08-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2018-08-27 at 13:48 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote: > What you can't do is have landuse=highway, which would otherwise be > the  > most logical way to deal with such areas. > Why not? I agree it is the most logical way of treating these areas. Phil (trigpoint)

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-08-26 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2018-08-26 at 12:59 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote: > > They add no quality to the database. > > They do for someone wanting to know where the historic boundaries > lie. In that case they would be more appropriate in OHM. Phil (trigpoint) ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Barrier=block areas

2018-08-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2018-08-17 at 07:51 +1000, Warin wrote: > If the thought is to map a group of >   blocks as an area .. then my vote is no at least without more >   information.  > >   It raises the question as to what the level of obstruction is - >   are motorcycles bared by this

Re: [Talk-GB] Churchyard gate/shelter

2018-08-22 Thread Philip Barnes
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Bi7 Looks like will_p is the man. Phil (trigpoint) On 22 August 2018 17:22:40 BST, Philip Barnes wrote: >There is some usage of building=lychgate. > >Am thinking a gate where the building intersects the path and a short >section of tunnel=buil

Re: [Talk-GB] Churchyard gate/shelter

2018-08-22 Thread Philip Barnes
There is some usage of building=lychgate. Am thinking a gate where the building intersects the path and a short section of tunnel=building_passage. Phil (trigpoint) On 22 August 2018 16:55:21 BST, Martin Wynne wrote: >Thanks all. > >> In the absence of a an official barrier=lych_gate tag why

Re: [OSM-talk] Barrier=block areas

2018-08-16 Thread Philip Barnes
Hedges can certainly be areas, some can be a few metres thick. A common mapping scenario is a thick hedge and a stile at each side. The only way to represent this is to map as an area and map the stiles as nodes connected to the outline. Phil (trigpoint) On 16 August 2018 01:14:49 BST, David

Re: [Talk-GB] Royal Mail trialling 'parcel' post boxes

2018-08-13 Thread Philip Barnes
Locations listted in this article https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/royal-mail-postboxes-take-parcels-1892430 Will get to survey the Elland Road one in the next couple of weeks. Phil (trigpoint) On 13/08/2018 13:48, SK53 wrote: Press release:

Re: [Talk-GB] Royal Mail trialling 'parcel' post boxes

2018-08-13 Thread Philip Barnes
Interesting, but cannot see any locations to use as survey hints. Although I can guess at one or two in Leicester. Phil (trigpoint) On 13 August 2018 13:48:51 BST, SK53 wrote: >Press release: https://www.royalmail.com/parcel-postboxes > >Trial locations are in Leicester & Northampton. >

Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature

2018-08-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On 7 August 2018 10:53:10 BST, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > >Midcounties are also adopting the "new" cloverleaf Co-op logo in many >places I have spotted this logo on the Mid-counties co-op on the Welshpool road, from memory it is green. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Android device

Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature

2018-08-07 Thread Philip Barnes
I have recently been thinking we should be tagging co-op shops with the operator tag. Until recently I had seen it as a geographical thing, ie. It is in Shropshire so it must be a mid-counties. Mid-counties use the same green branding that Central England use in Leicestershire. Recently new

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2018-08-05 at 16:21 +0100, Brian Prangle wrote: > There is at least one C road that is signed on the ground because I > remember being surprised at seeing it. It's somewhere in > Cumbria/Yorkshire but I mapped it so long ago I can't remember where > the hell it is > Although it could

Re: [Talk-GB] 'D' class roads references.

2018-08-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2018-08-05 at 15:23 +0100, Lester Caine wrote: > So we end up with data that should not be displayed ... but is still  > valid data in terms of the database! Which comes back to they should not be in the ref tag in osm, but in something else such as admin_ref so that those who are

Re: [Talk-GB] 'D' class roads references.

2018-08-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2018-08-05 at 08:44 -0500, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Rob Nickerson wrote: > > Dave can you do the D class roads too. Someone has added these -  > > e.g: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.21554/-1.87663 > > That reminds me - there's some weird ones in Hillingdon too: >    

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On 04/08/2018 09:55, David Woolley wrote: On 04/08/18 00:47, Dave F wrote: After many discussions over the years about the referencing of 'C' class roads there appeared to be a general consensus to keep them in the database but provide a unique tag to allow them not to be rendered. I

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On 4 August 2018 04:03:13 CEST, "webmas...@killyfole.org.uk" wrote: >I don't understand the logic of doing this? > >Surely we map for what is there on the ground, not how it renders? If >a road >has a reference number or a name, surely it is up to the render if it >should >show that

Re: [Talk-GB] Brewshop Tagging

2018-07-29 Thread Philip Barnes
Always knew them as Real Ale Off Licence, I remember one in Leicester and another in Loughborough back in the day. Why not shop=alcohol (I would prefer shop=off_licence, shop=alcohol is more for shops in puritan countries such as Canada where they are goverment run and sell nothing else),

Re: [OSM-talk] building=grandstand vs leisure=bleachers

2018-07-16 Thread Philip Barnes
Bleachers, at least based on watching American movies, are a simple open frame structure that you can walk underneath and see through the gaps. A grandstand, even with no roof, is a building. The seating area is on a solid floor. Underneath you will often find changing rooms, toilets, food

Re: [Talk-GB] Bing maps

2018-06-20 Thread Philip Barnes
Near me an areas mapped in osm with streets and buildings are still green fields on bing imagery. Another, mapped in OSM, just shows a few foundations on bing imagery and is green fields on gm. Mapbox has the newest imagery in my experience. Phil (trigpoint) On 20 June 2018 16:40:39 BST,

Re: [Talk-GB] Has someone just given us (the start of) access to the crown jewels?

2018-06-14 Thread Philip Barnes
On 14 June 2018 14:09:57 BST, Tim Waters wrote: >I think master map buildings could be really good for use for imagery >offsets and to effectively ground truth surrounding traced features. I am certainly using OS 24 inch maps in that way to work out where one building ends and another begins.

Re: [OSM-talk] finding drinking water with an Android app

2018-06-04 Thread Philip Barnes
OSMand starts for me in less than a second, however the nearest drinking water is 150 miles away. Not many mapped and actually struggling to think where I would find one. Phil (trigpoint) On 3 June 2018 19:29:24 BST, Maarten Deen wrote: >On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Mateusz Konieczny >

Re: [Talk-GB] Bing StreetSide

2018-05-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2018-05-20 at 12:23 +0100, Rob Nickerson wrote: > Hi all, > > Not seen this posted here yet. According to this German link, bing > now allow use of their street level imagery for use in editing OSM: > > https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=698568#p698568 > > I'm on mobile

Re: [OSM-talk] highway="corridor" tag

2018-05-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2018-05-05 at 14:38 -0500, Richard Marsden wrote: > Thank Andy & Mateusz, > > Yes I think you might be right. I was assuming a level of > completeness > with that wiki page that simply isn't there. > Most are vehicle routable (and in English "highway" implies that!), That is American

Re: [Talk-GB] Toys R Us

2018-05-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On 4 May 2018 21:04:29 BST, Paul Berry wrote: >Perhaps appropriate when the signage is taken down from any of their >former >stores en masse. In the meantime nothing stopping you mechanically >adding >disused :shop

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Quarterly Project: Post Offices

2018-05-03 Thread Philip Barnes
I would avoid using amenity=post_office for anything other than a proper post office. The term post office is much more than a place to send parcels or letters. In the UK a post office offers Banking services I can tax my car I can apply for a passport I can collect my pension Exchange currency

Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

2018-05-02 Thread Philip Barnes
Single or dual carriageway has nothing to do with restricted access. It is whether or not each direction is a different physically separate carriageway. The division can be a strip of grass. Phil (trigpoint) On 2 May 2018 12:34:56 BST, Tobias Zwick wrote: >Also, > >6.

Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

2018-05-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On 2 May 2018 11:53:20 BST, Jez Nicholson wrote: >Oh, this is fun. So, correct me if i'm wrong: a "20 mph zone" doesn't >have/need repeaters because it is not actually the legal speed limit. >It is >advisory to travel at that speed because traffic calming makes it hard

Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

2018-05-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On 2 May 2018 11:46:35 BST, John Aldridge <j...@cantab.net> wrote: >On 01-May-18 16:29, Philip Barnes wrote: >>> And yes, you may have to go back several roads before you see the >>> speed limit sign. No all local authorities put up the repeater signs >>>

Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

2018-05-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2018-05-01 at 19:15 +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > In most European countries there are rules/conventions that the sign > only applies until the next junction, at which point the sign must be > repeated if required.  That is something I found really confusing the first time I drove in

Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

2018-05-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2018-05-01 at 18:42 +0200, Tobias Zwick wrote: > Does the "there are no repeater signs" rule only apply for the > default > 30 mph limit (and the 20 mph zones)? Or in other words, if there is > an > explicit different limit posted, let's say 40 mph, does it have to be > repeated at each

Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

2018-05-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2018-05-01 at 17:34 +0100, Jonathan wrote: > Am I missing something? The 20 mph signs are the same as all speed > restrictions signs are they not? >   They have the word Zone on the sign https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/keuNX2tehPliEtm3Xt6CSg

Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

2018-05-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2018-05-01 at 16:09 +, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > > > > > > > EDIT: sorry, silly question. For some reason I overlooked that JOSM > works with OSM OAuth, so the answer to the general question "can a > non-web app authenticate with OSM" would appear to be yes. > > > StreetComplete

Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

2018-05-01 Thread Philip Barnes
That should include Leicester. Phil (trigpoint) On 1 May 2018 16:29:15 BST, Philip Barnes <p...@trigpoint.me.uk> wrote: > > >On 1 May 2018 16:17:40 BST, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com> >wrote: >>>When the user answers *"Yes, no sign&q

Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

2018-05-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On 1 May 2018 16:17:40 BST, Rob Nickerson wrote: >>When the user answers *"Yes, no sign"* > >At that point the easiest option is for the app to simply stop. Add no >data to OSM. > >And yes, you may have to go back several roads before you see the >speed limit sign. No

Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

2018-05-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On 1 May 2018 10:41:28 BST, Tobias Zwick wrote: >This is where I need your help. How should the dialog be changed (in >GB) >to not create any misunderstandings here? > Difficult without having seen the speed limit signs as you have entered the zone. My usual approach is

Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

2018-05-01 Thread Philip Barnes
g/wiki/30_km/h_zone), analogous to other >countries where they exist, they would be tagged as >maxspeed:type=GB:zone20. > >On 30/04/2018 20:57, Philip Barnes wrote: >> Whilst in theory there is an implicit 30mph when street lights are >> present and there are no repe

Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

2018-04-30 Thread Philip Barnes
repeater signs are required >to >remind drivers of the speed limit and (as Phil says) in these days >zonal >20mph limits can sometimes be implemented without repeater signs. > >Adam > >On 30 April 2018 at 20:05, Philip Barnes <p...@trigpoint.me.uk> wrote: > >>

Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

2018-04-30 Thread Philip Barnes
For practical purposes the only non-implicitly signed speed limits are national speed limits, (start indicated by black diagonal on white) and motorways indicated by the international chop sticks sign. Phil (trigpoint) On 30 April 2018 19:54:37 BST, Tobias Zwick wrote:

Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

2018-04-30 Thread Philip Barnes
Whilst in theory there is an implicit 30mph when street lights are present and there are no repeater signs indicating a higher limit then the speed limit is 30 mph. It has nothing to do with urban, the same rule will apply on lit rural roads. These days it is complicated by 20mph limits which

Re: [Talk-GB] Dentist with name of person

2018-04-29 Thread Philip Barnes
If its the name on the sign then it's effectively the name of the business so map it. The same would apply to lots of small businesses for example I mapped this butcher today, https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5586538494 Phil (trigpoint) On 29 April 2018 19:35:54 BST, Andrew Hain

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

2018-04-26 Thread Philip Barnes
Placenames are often corruptions of old languages or are in a different language to that spoken and not everywhere has an official language. If a place in England should we assume its name is in English? Name:en=Llanymynech would be a very odd assumption. As would Hengoed or Rhydycroesau.

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposal for simplification of mapping public transport

2018-04-16 Thread Philip Barnes
On 16 April 2018 07:46:13 BST, Jo wrote: > >What I hear quite often in railway stations is: don't use the last >three >'cars' if you want to get off in minor station such and so. I almost >never >hear them say, get on the train in zone A-E, but I think it is written >on

Re: [Talk-GB] Post offices that have closed

2018-04-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2018-04-06 at 16:15 +, Andrew Hain wrote: > What is a suitable way to identify post offices no longer in use such > as http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postoffice/branch/19408 to the > maintenance tools? Like we use with pubs and assuming it still looks like one,

Re: [OSM-talk] Maps not working in garmin2557

2018-04-03 Thread Philip Barnes
You need to go into the map settings, select the map and enable it. Phil (trigpoint) On 3 April 2018 21:42:50 BST, Ashok r wrote: >Hi I recently downloaded the maps onto an sd card but it does not show >up on the gps >What am I doing wrong > > > >Sent from my Verizon,

Re: [Diversity-talk] Idea: Quarterly Projects for a traditionally underrepresented topic(s)/groups?

2018-03-28 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2018-03-26 at 22:24 +0200, Rory McCann wrote: > Hi guys, gals and non-binary pals, Some interesting ideas, it is difficult to find a single object that will exist on a worldwide scale. Some OSM groups have "quarterly projects" where they improve the state > of something in OSM in their

Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps The World

2018-03-19 Thread Philip Barnes
The health care functions you mentioned there are things that would not be mapped as standalone functions in my experience. They are functions that exist as part of the general healthcare, most will exist within the local hospital although some will be provided locally in the local surgery

Re: [Talk-GB] 360 degree camera rental

2018-03-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2018-03-09 at 20:42 +, Dave F wrote: > Do you have a link to the upload, so we can see what it's like? > It would be good if you could bring it along to the AGM in Manchester so that we can see what it is like and what it does. Phil (trigpoint)

Re: [Talk-GB] Petrol stations again

2018-03-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2018-03-09 at 20:38 +, Lester Caine wrote: > On 09/03/18 20:19, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Leicester Forest East looks a bit confused, it is down to both > > modify a > > Shell node and to add a BP node. It can't be both. > > > > I will try to check w

Re: [Talk-GB] Petrol stations again

2018-03-09 Thread Philip Barnes
Leicester Forest East looks a bit confused, it is down to both modify a Shell node and to add a BP node. It can't be both. I will try to check what brand it really is. Phil (trigpoint) On Thu, 2018-03-08 at 21:28 +, SK53 wrote: > Dear All, > > You may not be aware of a new planned import

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS info when pub has been taken over.

2018-01-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2018-01-21 at 00:39 +, Dave F wrote: > Bearing in mind OSM isn't a historical database, how far back > should > we go with old:? These things are worth keeping, trendy names dreamed up by marketing types are rarely accepted by the locals, they will go on referring to a pub by

Re: [Talk-GB] AGM planning task force

2018-01-12 Thread Philip Barnes
Manchester certainly sounds a good choice. As for venues I would suggest The Manchester Escalator (open working space) on Deansgate, walkable from the stations. I attended a Manchester Open Data Group meeting there, on behalf of OSM, a couple of years ago and think it is a suitable venue with

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project: Petrol stations

2018-01-10 Thread Philip Barnes
It is something that will need looking at, can someone look at the Derby or London sites. The press releases mention 30 minutes and wifi which is certainly not compatible with a forecourt. Shell may see the site as a single object but in OSM terms it is several. Fuel, shop, parking etc. The

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project: Petrol stations

2018-01-10 Thread Philip Barnes
Also in the car park at motorway service areas. Phil (trigpoint) On 10 January 2018 10:04:51 GMT+00:00, Ed Loach wrote: >It looks like amenity=charging_station is documented in the wiki as >only for nodes. As they don’t let you use your mobile phones or jump >start cars on

Re: [Talk-GB] Asda petrol station data

2017-12-26 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2017-12-26 at 11:04 +, Rob Nickerson wrote: > Thanks for the feedback. This is now ready for you to validate: > > http://audit.osmz.ru/project/Asda-petrol-stations > > And noted it is a very small dataset as it's primarily a learning > exercise for me. > One thing with ASDA petrol

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenRailwayMap

2017-12-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 17:55 +, Paul Berry wrote: > A nice little social media boost courtesy of Tim Dunn:https://twitter > .com/MrTimDunn/status/942751174922555393 > There's an Open Railway Map of the world and the level of detail is > incredible > http://www.openrailwaymap.org/ > According

Re: [Talk-GB] Christmas / New Year Footpath Mapping meet

2017-12-07 Thread Philip Barnes
I will be travelling along the A50 through Stoke so can always pick you up from Stoke station. Which part of Cheshire will you be in? Phil (trigpoint) On 7 December 2017 12:41:31 GMT+00:00, SK53 wrote: >Derby is probably doable by several folk; but probably best to talk

Re: [OSM-talk] How to show school icons ?

2017-11-24 Thread Philip Barnes
David Is there any reason you are mapping schools as nodes? I do not see an issue when mapped as areas. Phil (trigpoint) On 24 November 2017 09:19:20 GMT+00:00, David SAUVAGE wrote: >On 11/24/2017 12:24 PM, Rory McCann wrote: >> To suggest a change/report a

Re: [OSM-talk] How to show school icons ?

2017-11-24 Thread Philip Barnes
Normally we map schools as areas, in which case they show quite prominently as yellow areas. The tag is put on the area of the grounds. Mapping something so large as a node seems quite odd to me. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.8570/-2.7287 Phil (trigpoint) On 24 November 2017

Re: [Talk-GB] Prow_ref format

2017-11-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2017-11-06 at 13:57 +, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > the RoW within that area.) > > FYI: AFAIK, the value in rowmaps isn't supposed to be a ref for use > in > OSM, and has been deliberately standardised to suit the author's aims > and database structure. The initial two

Re: [Talk-GB] Prow_ref format

2017-11-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On 6 November 2017 13:45:15 GMT+00:00, Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote: >On 06/11/2017 13:34, Philip Barnes wrote: >> I don't believe that the type is needed as it can be derived from the > >> designation tag. > >... provided that someone hasn't caused tha

Re: [Talk-GB] Prow_ref format

2017-11-06 Thread Philip Barnes
I don't believe that the type is needed as it can be derived from the designation tag. As a regular user of rights of way references to report problems to my local highway authority I can vouch that the parish code based GIS reference is far easier to use than the colloquial reference

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

2017-11-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2017-11-03 at 20:42 +, Rob Nickerson wrote: > Hi all, > > My thanks to Andy for finding that this data is not perfect. My > thanks also to Phil for finding that the existing OSM data for Shell > Porthmadog is, to use Phil's words from a later email, broken. It was more the opening

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

2017-11-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2017-11-03 at 11:09 -0700, Paul Norman wrote: > On 11/3/2017 10:51 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote: > > Philip, the shell.co.uk website gives the same opening hours for > > the Branting Hill station as the source dataset. Basically, > > everything in the dataset is the same, except for locations,

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

2017-11-03 Thread Philip Barnes
Looking at some of the Shell stations locally I would dispute that the operator is most locations is Shell and that the brand should be Shell, but they are independent businesses who have a franchise to sell Shell fuel, but Shell do not employ the cashier, the mechanics or supply what is sold in

Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map: abandoned railways may still have bridges.

2017-11-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On 2 November 2017 13:23:53 GMT+00:00, ael wrote: >On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 01:02:13PM +, Dave F wrote: >> > >> > o Another is railways - I'm guessing you'd want to remove the >rendering >> > of dismantled railways, and also possibly abandoned ones, > >But please

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Standard Layer

2017-10-26 Thread Philip Barnes
I see it too, also this strange large building http://osm.org/5322 Missing maps rubbish... Phil (trigpoint) On 26 October 2017 13:12:02 BST, Paul Berry wrote: >Has there been a change to the colours on the Standard Layer or has >someone >inadvertently turned

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