[Talk-de] Hello from England

2009-06-29 Thread SteveC
Hello So, first I apologise for writing in English. My German is very poor. Several people have volunteered to translate back and forth. Recently I had the luck and privilege to travel to some places in Germany, Italy and other countries and meet OSMers. This was very educational and I

[OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-06-24 Thread SteveC
Dear all One of the things that's resulted from getting help with the license process is that it's been noticed we don't have a lot of the legal furniture, and thus protection and clarity, found frequently elsewhere. We've been offered some fairly standard privacy and terms of use

Re: [OSM-talk] full history of a way?

2009-06-17 Thread SteveC
On 14 Jun 2009, at 01:49, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, There are no full history dumps currently - having such dump would enable this type of query quite easily. I am sure we will have them at some point in time. Well, there could be slight problem with pre-0.6 data (no order in relations)

[OSM-talk] SOTM 08 videos

2009-06-17 Thread SteveC
Hi Linked off of stateofthemap.org are the SOTM '08 videos: http://blog.signal2noise.ie/~eason/sotm08/ But they're incomplete and super, super, super slow to load. So does anyone know if the rest will be put up? And, can anyone mirror them somewhere useful? Best Steve

Re: [Talk-ca] Cleaning up after the GeoBase import

2009-06-17 Thread SteveC
On 12 Jun 2009, at 18:54, Richard Degelder wrote: William Lachance wrote: Look at this from another angle: Should we split up all the existing OSM road data that people have put in to add in GeoBase UUID information? The simple answer is that at some point we are going to have to. If

Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

2009-06-16 Thread SteveC
On 16 Jun 2009, at 05:55, Simone Cortesi wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org wrote: http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/three.jpg I don't find that too bad actually. But it has no map on the first page. I vehemently stated that we're about data,

Re: [OSM-talk] minor stats

2009-06-16 Thread SteveC
Isn't that skewed by what the import process to 0.6 defined as a changeset? On 16 Jun 2009, at 07:24, Simone Cortesi wrote: hi, just a minor stats: it took us 4 years: from april 2005 to go from changeset 1 to 1.000.000 in april 2009. We are now, after only 2 months, already at

Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

2009-06-16 Thread SteveC
On 16 Jun 2009, at 11:38, Tim Waters (chippy) wrote: One of the main annoyances that people tell me that they have with OSM is that whenever they visit the site, the map shows them just the UK. I thought that the IP 2 geo stuff was in there to make it default to the country it thinks you're

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org

2009-06-16 Thread SteveC
On 16 Jun 2009, at 14:15, Stefan de Konink wrote: SteveC wrote: On 16 Jun 2009, at 09:51, Stefan de Konink wrote: Eric Pritchett wrote: I'm sure there are more advantages, There is; there is no trade mark on the name :) There isn't on openstreetmap either. Ok, the first time they refused

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org

2009-06-16 Thread SteveC
On 16 Jun 2009, at 14:27, Stefan de Konink wrote: SteveC wrote: Wrong again. The ™ was applied for the logo and the name So 'mark' means to me 'name' so OpenStreetMap was protected if it was granted, yes? If, yes. in the UK and Europe and the Foundation owns the whole problem

[OSM-talk] Traffic lights

2009-06-12 Thread SteveC
So there are bits and pieces on traffic lights on the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Traffic_Lights http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtraffic_signals

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OGC Geospatial Rights Management Summit

2009-06-10 Thread SteveC
On 9 Jun 2009, at 06:27, John Wilbanks wrote: Puneet Kishor, who is a Science Commons Fellow looking at geospatial data and climate change, will be attending and hoisting the facts can't be copyrighted flag. Er, sounds like a red herring to me since they can have database rights and be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OGC Geospatial Rights Management Summit

2009-06-08 Thread SteveC
I could in theory make it, and I even considered it for about 10 seconds... but I couldn't think what I'd get out of it other than frustration. DRM for maps, sorry GeoDRM... what can you say but FAIL ? Best Steve On 5 Jun 2009, at 08:10, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: Hi all, Maybe this is

Re: [Talk-ca] 092g07 imported and uploaded

2009-06-02 Thread SteveC
On 1 Jun 2009, at 22:36, Sam Vekemans wrote: I decided not to add these tag to the 'TR_1760009_1roads_segment_GeoBase', because the Geobase roads are more uptodate, and dont want people to be updating the area will the most complete data. The house numbering system, of having it

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Isle of Wight 2

2009-06-01 Thread SteveC
. Parts of Devon/Cornwall spring to mind. Cheers STEVEs -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of SteveC Sent: 30 May 2009 15:54 To: Talk GB; Talk Openstreetmap Subject: [Talk-GB] Isle of Wight 2 Remember how

Re: [Talk-ca] 092g07 imported and uploaded

2009-06-01 Thread SteveC
Stupid question, you guys importing addressing too? On 31 May 2009, at 21:38, Michael Barabanov wrote: It is nice to see more people importing the GeoBase data. Are you going to be doing more areas in BC? Yes, starting with adjacent areas to south and east. Michael. On Sun, May 31,

Re: [Talk-ca] 092g07 imported and uploaded

2009-06-01 Thread SteveC
I think that'd be super cool. On 1 Jun 2009, at 13:27, Richard Weait wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 11:08 +0100, SteveC wrote: Stupid question, you guys importing addressing too? The Canadian government data does not include addressing information for all jurisdictions. This area (British

Re: [Talk-us] Addresses and Tiger

2009-06-01 Thread SteveC
On 1 Jun 2009, at 01:57, Alan Millar wrote: Has anyone actually done ANY implementation of a relation-based addressing system in OSM yet? I've yet to see any actual examples of either data collection or use; I've only seen wiki proposals so far. Matt loves Karlsruhe relations In any case

[OSM-talk] Isle of Wight 2

2009-05-30 Thread SteveC
Remember how awesome the wales mapping weekend was last year? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Welsh_Mapping_Party_Weekend Remember the Isle of Wight mapping weekend 3 years ago? It was super awesome, we had 30 odd people, local TV, press and stuff

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-ie] open street map - what's in it for you?

2009-05-13 Thread SteveC
On 2 May 2009, at 14:10, Johnny Rose Carlsen wrote: Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: drove into a new housing estate ... yes but, what's in it for you? Why does a painter paint? Why play football? Why give

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] SOTM legal talks

2009-05-12 Thread SteveC
at 01:24, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Hi We, the legal working group have been asked as a result of a chat in the SOTM working group call (which mike and I were also on) to propose talk(s) about the license at SOTM. Today in our call we brainstormed a little around a few ideas and we

Re: [OSM-talk] Local list contacts

2009-05-12 Thread SteveC
this process. Please ping me if you can help. On 11 May 2009, at 10:54, SteveC wrote: Dear all The various mailing lists have grown well organically and there are great contributions, debate and discussion on them. In order to more efficiently and clearly trickle down announcements like server

[OSM-talk] Data Import Support Working Group

2009-05-12 Thread SteveC
All The foundation today discussed the perceived need for a working group to help people import data. We know there are highly talented individuals out there who are able to find data to import, have the social skills and time to get data holders to release it to OSM, have the legal

[OSM-talk] Local list contacts

2009-05-11 Thread SteveC
Dear all The various mailing lists have grown well organically and there are great contributions, debate and discussion on them. In order to more efficiently and clearly trickle down announcements like server downtime to the local lists, we've created a 'list of lists' for people to help

Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [ppgis] Invitation for expressions of interest for Ordnance Survey Think Tank Session on Crowd source data capture, geospatial mashups and its impact on NMAs - 13th July 2009 (Tue

2009-05-11 Thread SteveC
On 7 May 2009, at 08:42, Mikel Maron wrote: Selection of invited experts will be made by the Ordnance Survey. Guess they won't be having people from OSM then :-) Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-legal-talk] SOTM legal talks

2009-05-08 Thread SteveC
Hi We, the legal working group have been asked as a result of a chat in the SOTM working group call (which mike and I were also on) to propose talk(s) about the license at SOTM. Today in our call we brainstormed a little around a few ideas and we thought it would be good to flesh them out

[OSM-legal-talk] OSMF lawyer call

2009-05-06 Thread SteveC
Dear all Today the license working group had a 2 hour phone call with OSMFs council to run through a large number of open issues, use cases and so on which had been generated on the wiki and this list.. We found it super useful and we're planning another soon. Grant is collating the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of Produced Works

2009-05-06 Thread SteveC
On 6 May 2009, at 16:04, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Mike Collinson wrote: The new text is available at http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ and includes diff versions so that you can see clearly what changes are made. With 0.9, we identified the problem of produced works not being

[OSM-legal-talk] Produced Work

2009-05-06 Thread SteveC
Hi We've put together a practical definition for the OSMFs point of view on what a substantial extract is, or isn't http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Substantial_Defined And we'd like help similarly with building a practical definition of Produced Work. Here's how

[OSM-talk] Denmark contact

2009-05-06 Thread SteveC
Is there anyone here from the CPH area that can be a contact for organising an OSM event? We've been offered some space to do something near a conference, reboot 11. Please drop me a line. PS the Denmark wiki page needs love, doesn't even link to the DK mailing list. Well, now it does.

[Talk-GB] Fwd: climate bubbles environment 2.0

2009-05-06 Thread SteveC
Begin forwarded message: From: Drew Hemment d...@futureeverything.org Date: 1 May 2009 12:55:14 PDT To: Steve Coast st...@asklater.com Subject: climate bubbles environment 2.0 Hi Steve Please can you send details of these projects to your networks, announcement attached and link here

[OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread SteveC
I don't see a clear explanation as to why there is ambiguity if you don't do turn restrictions at the end of ways on the wiki. There is some stuff in the talk page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Relation:restriction Anyone care to provide an explanation? The reason I ask is

[OSM-legal-talk] Substantial meaning

2009-04-23 Thread SteveC
Has there been any discussion on what people here feel 'substantial' means in the context of the definitions of the ODbL? I've banged around the wiki looking but might might have missed it. Here's the first important bit relevant to this in the ODbL: Extraction – Means the permanent or temporary

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread SteveC
On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:34:05 +0300, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I don't see a clear explanation as to why there is ambiguity if you don't do turn restrictions at the end of ways on the wiki. There is some stuff in the talk page

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread SteveC
On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:32, Teemu Koskinen wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:25:36 +0300, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:34:05 +0300, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I don't see a clear explanation as to why

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread SteveC
On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:34, Tobias Knerr wrote: SteveC wrote: On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: If both from and to ways continue after the via point and neither is one-way, there's two possible ways to interpret it: the restriction could apply when coming from either

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL at SOTM

2009-03-27 Thread SteveC
Frederik It was something I was going to do. We haven't discussed it, yet, at the LWG calls and will at the next meeting. I strongly agree with you. Best Steve On 27 Mar 2009, at 08:39, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I am of the opinion that there absolutely needs to be a presentation

[OSM-talk] SOTM Logo Competition

2009-03-25 Thread SteveC
http://www.stateofthemap.org/2009/03/25/help-us-make-a-logo/ The SOTM working group is pleased to announce a call for logo designs. Our existing logos have served us well and the time is right to look further afield to make sure we have the best design possible. We’ve put together a Design

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL comments from Creative Commons

2009-03-25 Thread SteveC
On 21 Mar 2009, at 14:35, Simon Ward wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 07:02:09PM +0100, Ulf Möller wrote: Thinh Nguyen of Creative Commons has posted detailed comments on the ODbL on the co-ment website. I think I’ve seen many of those arguments from the Science Commons project before, and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL comments from Creative Commons

2009-03-25 Thread SteveC
On 22 Mar 2009, at 06:08, 80n wrote: Thinh Nguyen of Creative Commons writes: While some complexities are introduced by differences in background legal doctrines, others are introduced by the ODbL scheme itself. These two points about the complexity of the ODbL are important ones that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL comments from Creative Commons

2009-03-25 Thread SteveC
On 23 Mar 2009, at 05:47, John Wilbanks wrote: From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net Though I have a lot of time for CC in general, and agree with their general stance that PD is the ideal way to go, I don't really find that a very useful response. I count 20 occurrences of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL comments from Creative Commons

2009-03-25 Thread SteveC
On 23 Mar 2009, at 06:44, John Wilbanks wrote: But open data is much more than just science and education. It's more than OSM; it's more than maps. The assiduous how-late-is-my-sodding-train-today people on our town website, for example, are creating a database that could potentially be

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM Logo Competition

2009-03-25 Thread SteveC
I rather stupidly forgot the bit about the winning entry would entitle the creator to a free weekend ticket to SOTM: The winning entry will be rewarded with a full weekend ticket to SOTM! Best Steve On 25 Mar 2009, at 09:51, SteveC wrote: http://www.stateofthemap.org/2009/03/25/help-us

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL comments from Creative Commons

2009-03-25 Thread SteveC
On 25 Mar 2009, at 11:34, Andy Allan wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:36 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On 22 Mar 2009, at 06:08, 80n wrote: The complexity arguments are largely superfluous. [...] I get in my car every day and drive to work without knowing how the engine management

[OSM-legal-talk] License Working Group meeting today

2009-03-18 Thread SteveC
Dear all Due to some phone problems for one of our number being unable to dial in to the call, we decided that we should postpone by a day to sort those issues out. We covered a little ground - essentially that we've not had back feedback from OSMFs lawyer yet and some slight changes to

Re: [OSM-talk] Statistics and TIGER import question: What happened in August 2007?

2009-03-16 Thread SteveC
On 16 Mar 2009, at 17:55, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I'm looking at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Osmdbstats2.png and I wonder why there is a sudden drop in the node count immediately before commencing the TIGER import. - It looks as if half our database was deleted immediately

Re: [OSM-talk] Statistics and TIGER import question: What happened in August 2007?

2009-03-16 Thread SteveC
On 16 Mar 2009, at 18:55, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: the old tiger import, which was very broken, was deleted Thanks all. - I thought that the old import had been deleted long before that but I think now I remember that it had been deleted from current and was still alive

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-10 Thread SteveC
another fantastic 1. Someone makes a mistake 2. ??? 3. It's Steves fault Bet you were itching to make todays Guardian mistake my fault too, eh? I can tell you Frederik that I and the rest of us at CloudMade take great pains to explain the differences between CM and OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-05 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 23:51, Nop wrote: 2. Provide translations of this in the major languages. Most people speak English to some degree, but some don't and something of this importance and with so much legalese involved does need to be in your native language to be sure you understood it.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-05 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 23:42, Nop wrote: Hi! SteveC schrieb: To me this is similar to ignorance of the law is no defence. The data, people and facts are out there and it's not our job to serve them up to you in the specific best way you want. We will help all we can when you ask

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-05 Thread SteveC
On 5 Mar 2009, at 00:14, Nop wrote: Hi! SteveC schrieb: We've not always done a great job of communicating for a variety of reasons but it was never with malice. But you have actually succeeded in making quite a number of people suspect malice - and warn others about that. I do

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] License to kill

2009-03-05 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 23:24, 80n wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:48 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On 4 Mar 2009, at 08:12, Gervase Markham wrote: So lets concentrate on that. Lets build a better process. Lets build a consensus. Absolutely! As long as you allow us the time

Re: [OSM-talk] License to kill

2009-03-05 Thread SteveC
On 5 Mar 2009, at 01:11, Peter Miller wrote: On 5 Mar 2009, at 00:29, SteveC wrote: For your interest my company's lawyer (acting for ITO World Ltd) is hoping to have her response together in relation to the license by the end of tomorrow. My company will review her comments

Re: [OSM-talk] licence plan - Question about supplying own data

2009-03-05 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 18:03, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: One of the things I didn't mention in my long post an that most of you clearly don't understand is that a court takes *intent* in to account as guidence in any license dispute. So like case law you can spend all

Re: [OSM-talk] Post tastsic questions of my own

2009-03-05 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 22:27, Nic Roets wrote: My second question goes to those who live in the various countries that aren't bankrupt... oh I mean those that aren't in the UK. How is the community there? Is it bad? Is it good? How can we help. What are Just to give you an idea of how crazy

Re: [OSM-talk] Post tastsic questions of my own

2009-03-05 Thread SteveC
On 5 Mar 2009, at 00:55, Frederik Ramm wrote: Steve, (Has someone told you that you're overly concerned about your Fake self? He seems to make an appearance in every second post you write.) I love him. I want to *be* him. SteveC wrote: Over IM and email I've had some really positive

Re: [OSM-talk] Post tastsic questions of my own

2009-03-05 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 19:46, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Thursday 05 March 2009 07:37:28 SteveC wrote: My second question goes to those who live in the various countries that aren't bankrupt... oh I mean those that aren't in the UK. How is the community there? Is it bad? Is it good? How can we

Re: [OSM-talk] Post tastsic questions of my own

2009-03-05 Thread SteveC
On 5 Mar 2009, at 04:50, Gustav Foseid wrote: Are you stirring dissent? Are you trying to build a consensus? I have provided my view, that the idea behind the license is better than the current CC-BY-SA, but that some legal aspects needs to be sorted out. We have one person from a major

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-05 Thread SteveC
You too Andy, great post. On 5 Mar 2009, at 02:57, Andy Allan wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:40 AM, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. At least when you expect 10 people to go along and the issue has the potential to break OSM apart, it would not be a bad idea to send monthly

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-05 Thread SteveC
Great post Dair! On 5 Mar 2009, at 02:04, Dair Grant wrote: Nop wrote: I want to correct something here, there is this view of 100,000 users needing consent. The number is in fact far smaller for people who ever made an edit (about 30% of the users). It's vastly smaller still for

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-05 Thread SteveC
On 5 Mar 2009, at 03:35, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Andy Allan wrote: 1) Make the plan and the draft public. Ask for feedback. 2) Wait for feedback to be taken into account and expect/hope for a final version of the ODbL 3) See if the OSMF board approves 4) See if OSMF members like what

Re: [OSM-talk] licence plan - Question about supplying own data

2009-03-05 Thread SteveC
On 5 Mar 2009, at 08:36, David Earl wrote: (lost track of who said this, but...) Very unlikely, derived individual coordinates are facts. I've asked multiple lawyers about this personally. Are you saying that facts that are derived from a Produced Work are not covered by the reverse

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License working group meeting minutes - 2/2/2009

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
I disagree Grant I think the first agenda item should be how to pull in more people, how to open up the process and have people contribute and connect better now that the license is finally out. Best Steve On 4 Mar 2009, at 15:09, Grant Slater wrote: License working group meeting minutes

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License working group meeting minutes - 2/2/2009

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
Oh my fault, sorry On 4 Mar 2009, at 17:04, Grant Slater wrote: SteveC wrote: I disagree Grant I think the first agenda item should be how to pull in more people, how to open up the process and have people contribute and connect better now that the license is finally out. Confusion

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] License to kill

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 11:27, Frederik Ramm wrote: Steve reluctant to publish publicly as it would invite another round of changes. Blimey, if you talk to people, they might have ideas and suggestions or even want to CHANGE something. Better keep things to yourself and complain later.

Re: [OSM-talk] License to kill

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 04:01, Peter Miller wrote: My main criticism in relation to license Steve is not that you are 'evil' but that you have been absent. Your last post in relation to the license on legal-talk was over three months go (25th Nov). Given that you are the only person who has

Re: [OSM-talk] License to kill

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
with volunteers... there are pros and cons. Then just keep pointing to the web page that outlines the structures, processes and notes/minutes/FAQs etc. Best of luck to you, Jordan and everyone else. Regards, Tom On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:28:32 -0800, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Where

Re: [OSM-talk] License to kill

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 08:12, Gervase Markham wrote: So lets concentrate on that. Lets build a better process. Lets build a consensus. Absolutely! As long as you allow us the time to (i.e. slow down and stop trying to get it done by the end of March!), then I'm all for that :-) Maybe I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 16:08, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: Basically, you get enough people (and pay for their memberships) in order to buy their votes, in order to eject the current chairman, yadda yadda yadda. If you're unhappy with the current chairman you don't

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
I think others have responded well to most of your rant, if not the please point it out and I'll respond. On 3 Mar 2009, at 23:33, Ulf Lamping wrote: Hi! I'm not sure you're aware, but you're currently on the best way to make the license to kill phrase come true! First of all: If

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 06:49, LeedsTracker wrote: 2009/3/4 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es: On the other hand, I'm absolutely sure that the ODbL will fail and be exploited. The same way that the GPL2 was exploited by TiVo. I'm absolutely sure the ODbL will not address problems in

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 12:02, Nop wrote: Hi! Iván Sánchez Ortega schrieb: El Miércoles, 4 de Marzo de 2009, Ulf Lamping escribió: Hopefully you know and trust the lawyers, foundation, whoever, ... involved. WE PROBABLY DON'T KNOW THEM SO WHY SHOULD WE MAGICALLY TRUST THEM?!? Because they

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 12:28, Nop wrote: Hi! Russ Nelson schrieb: Hopefully you know and trust the lawyers, foundation, whoever, ... involved. WE PROBABLY DON'T KNOW THEM SO WHY SHOULD WE MAGICALLY TRUST THEM?!? You can't. There is no magic wand to create trust. Only through time

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 14:53, Russ Nelson wrote: On Mar 4, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Nop wrote: And I never heard of it until now. And wasn't in OSM when it was posted. Fair enough, but any time you join a group there will be efforts underway which you haven't contributed to, not know about, nor

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 16:57, Matt Amos wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:49 AM, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: 3. Define a way for feedback from the community. Maybe some unoffical votes would have given an impression on how well a particular idea would have worked. Maybe put up a poll

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 16:20, Nop wrote: Hi! Martijn van Oosterhout schrieb: Out of curiosity, what would have been better? The licence has been recognised to be a problem for years, it was known well before I joined. It's been discussed at almost every OSM meeting I've been at. But you're

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 16:40, MP wrote: I personally had no idea about the license change before it got posted on this list few days ago and I am contributing to OSM for more than year and half... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RpSv3HjpEw Best Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] licence plan - Question about supplying own data

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 07:00, Jason Cunningham wrote: Hi All I've read through a bundle of licence emails, and there is one aspect that worries me, which hopefully someone can clarify. From my understanding (and I dont speak legalese), under the CCBYSA license you can take OSM data, create

Re: [OSM-talk] licence plan - Question about supplying own data

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 10:26, Dave Stubbs wrote: 2009/3/4 Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:38 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: They used the map to pin the locations - the points did not come from some other map. Therefore it is derived (this is

Re: [OSM-talk] licence plan - Question about supplying own data

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
by the way OSMF asked for. I can't remember if it was Richard 'fake stevec' F, andy or me. But I remember the discussion vividly when we met Jordan I think the first time. So if they're just pinning the locations on the paper map, that's fine. But if they are reading off the lat/lon from

Re: [OSM-talk] licence plan - Question about supplying own data

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 15:56, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Matt Amos wrote: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote: Your 8 year old kids would be obliged to license their butterfly data under the ODbL [1] and attribute OSM. [1] Ignoring potential bug in 0.9

Re: [OSM-talk] licence plan - Question about supplying own data

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
On 4 Mar 2009, at 17:39, SteveC wrote: You can come to my house and I will make you dinner and you can inspect under my bed there is no satanic portal to the 3rd circle of Hell. In fact you are all welcome. I will cook you my awesome (awsum) organic, 100% Free Of Everything cracked pepper

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
On 27 Feb 2009, at 05:04, Ben Laenen wrote: It looks like we finally got some kind of License plan for the step towards the new license, so everyone check http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan Let me start with the obvious questions first: * why don't

[OSM-talk] Post tastsic questions of my own

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
Where to begin? Well FakeSteveC hasn't blogged so far so it's all going fine if that's your metric. I've replied to a ton of messages, no doubt in an evil conspiratorial way to own your souls in the netherworld. I hope it's been a useful braindump on a lot of issues and we can build

Re: [OSM-talk] Derived coordinates are facts (was: Re: Question about supplying own data)

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
My last reply tonight, I have to go but: On 4 Mar 2009, at 17:41, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: Very unlikely, derived individual coordinates are facts. I've asked multiple lawyers about this personally. There is a popular project in Switzerland called openaddresses.ch

[OSM-legal-talk] License to kill

2009-03-03 Thread SteveC
Where to begin? Why don't we start with the beautiful community we've built and the stunning map can be the backdrop. On this canvas lets spread the pieces of the puzzle and see if we can put a few things together. We have incredible coders. We have mappers that stay up all night adding

[OSM-talk] Front page design and SEO

2009-03-02 Thread SteveC
Something that's come up a few times in chatting to people is the front page design of the website and how it's been pretty static for a long time. That's pretty cool as nobody has felt the need to hack it away and it's sprouted some cool additions with time. But there are some things that

Re: [OSM-talk] News blog link - to blogs.openstreetmap.org?

2009-02-17 Thread SteveC
On 17 Feb 2009, at 00:18, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: As you both know several years of work went in to that blog, and not just by me. Maybe you should both think twice before dismissing it all. It would help if, instead of * singling out participants (you both

Re: [OSM-talk] News blog link - to blogs.openstreetmap.org?

2009-02-17 Thread SteveC
the development and progress of OSM in the early months/years. Steve, would you be ok with those entries being copied? Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of 80n Sent: 17 February 2009 11:02 AM To: SteveC Cc

Re: [OSM-talk] News blog link - to blogs.openstreetmap.org?

2009-02-16 Thread SteveC
On 16 Feb 2009, at 11:31, Peter Miller wrote: On 15 Feb 2009, at 14:29, 80n wrote: So, what makes opengeodata.org the official OpenStreetMap blog anyway? It's linked prominently on the OSM front page. Who contributes to it? I have an account there and most posts appear to be

Re: [OSM-talk] News blog link - to blogs.openstreetmap.org?

2009-02-15 Thread SteveC
No... because anybody could post any content there and it's not always very relevant either. Best Steve On 15 Feb 2009, at 11:15, OJ W wrote: The OSM front page has a news blog link - should that go to http://blogs.openstreetmap.org/ rather than http://www.opengeodata.org/ ? (gives

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Mass import of TeleAtlas data

2009-02-07 Thread SteveC
Albertas - we will look urgently at this. On 7 Feb 2009, at 12:57, Liz wrote: On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, Albertas Agejevas wrote: I am bringing this up in the public forum again as our correspondence with the OSMF secretary Andy Robinson appears to have no results. On 7 October 2008 Andy informed

[OSM-talk] Server donation drive

2009-02-06 Thread SteveC
I just wanted to point out some fun donations http://donate.openstreetmap.org/ as you can follow along here: http://donate.openstreetmap.org/comments/ CloudMade is donating £2k. Richard Weait dropped $1,000 ! My personal favourite: Johnny Carlsen donated £5 because I

Re: [Talk-ca] Reminder: Toronto, ON mapping party - Jan 31st.

2009-01-30 Thread SteveC
I can't make it but just a note that this is superb it's happening On 30 Jan 2009, at 11:24, Colin McGregor wrote: Just a quick reminder note, there will be a mapping party in Toronto, Ontario When: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:00 PM Where Aroma Espresso Bar 500 Bloor St W Toronto ON

Re: [Talk-us] [Talk-ca] Reminder: Toronto, ON mapping party - Jan 31st.

2009-01-30 Thread SteveC
I can't make it but just a note that this is superb it's happening On 30 Jan 2009, at 11:24, Colin McGregor wrote: Just a quick reminder note, there will be a mapping party in Toronto, Ontario When: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:00 PM Where Aroma Espresso Bar 500 Bloor St W Toronto ON

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM screenshot

2009-01-25 Thread SteveC
Thanks :-) On 23 Jan 2009, at 01:35, LeedsTracker wrote: 2009/1/23 SteveC st...@asklater.com: Anyone feel like updating the JOSM screenshots to the 21st century :-) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM Done! cheers, LT Best Steve

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Trademark applications

2009-01-19 Thread SteveC
/wiki/Trademark I have exchanged a number of emails with the foundation over the past month on this matter about some changes that have been made since the board meeting however I fail to see how what has been done protects the project. I would invite SteveC or Andy to explain on this list what

[OSM-talk] 0.6 move and downtime

2009-01-19 Thread SteveC
Dear all We had a review call today on the technical side of OSM and one of the things that came up was the transition to API 0.6 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Protocol_Version_0.6 API 0.6 is the latest and greatest in OSM APIs and brings scrummy goodness like changesets.

Re: [Talk-ca] About OpenStreetMap

2009-01-09 Thread SteveC
I really don't have time to do your homework for you, but maybe someone on talk-ca@ or newbies@ will help you. Best Steve On 6 Jan 2009, at 18:33, Nyaladzani Nkhwanana wrote: Hi Steve, My name is Nyaladzani Nkhwanana, a Masters student at the university of New Brunswick, Fredericton,

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Announcement: Second City, Birmingham, and its surrounds completed

2008-12-23 Thread SteveC
Seriously, super, awesome cool. On 23 Dec 2008, at 09:37, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: It is with great pleasure, and not just a little excitement, that I can announce that the mappers in Birmingham having set the task of completing the whole of the city by Christmas have

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