On Feb 17, 2022, at 8:16 PM, Lisa wrote:
> Thank you for such a quick response :)
OSM: We aim to please!
> When I go into Edit mode the old node that needs to be removed isn't
> displaying, but when I am not in edit mode I can see it?
> Am I using the wrong method of editing it?
> Or do I
On Feb 17, 2022, at 7:51 PM, Lisa wrote:
(a question)
Hi Lisa: I'm assuming you are using the iD editor. It seems you know the
difference between the new node being correct and the old node "needing to go,"
you can click on a node and delete it like this:
Select the node with a single
On OSM's USA Bicycle Networks wiki [1], the introductory section posits a nice
section on "What to map." (In the realm of bicycle routes / networks in the
USA). We distinguish between "infrastructure tagging" and "route tagging." We
talk about mapping SIGNED routes (and planned routes that
Not to mention, burgers come with “Betty’s secret lube” (sauce) and can be
“dressed any way you like.”
OK, I’ll stop there.
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On Feb 9, 2022, at 4:12 AM, Peter Hardy wrote:
> Betty's Burgers & Concrete Co? I've eaten at the one on Clarence St and the
> one in Darling Harbour in Sydney (admittedly before *waves arms around* all
> of this, so a couple years ago). They're fast food with dine-in tables -
> order at the
On Feb 8, 2022, at 8:08 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> Do routers "read" such things as flood-prone, intermittent & seasonal?
My "quick, off-the-cuff" answer would be: "better routers SHOULD." The real
answer is very much "check your particular router."
On Feb 4, 2022, at 12:48 AM, Dian Ågesson wrote:
> Genuine question:
>
> If I go to Officeworks and get a sign printed with the name "Bob" and put it
> on my letterbox, does that become the name of my house?
I would think this is an EXCEEDINGLY "locally variable" question (and answer).
To
Dang auto-correct, of course that's addr:housename.
And when there is "both," as it appears here, "that's a good question!" (Maybe
enter both?)
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On Feb 3, 2022, at 10:12 PM, Mat Attlee wrote:
> Whilst I was out surveying today I stumbled upon a building that had a street
> number but also a house name, as just above the entrance and door number it
> said Rivenhall. Now the question is should this be tagged as the name or
>
On Feb 2, 2022, at 2:23 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> So you're standing in the pub having a cold beer & the two blokes beside you
> are talking.
> ...
> Does that count as Local Knowledge?
Graeme, I'm not an attorney / solicitor, but what you describe is called
"hearsay" and is not usually
On Feb 2, 2022, at 1:50 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The 'facts cannot be copyright' may be a USA thing that does not work
> elsewhere. Don't know but I would not rely on it alone.
While I am reasonably certain this is true in the USA, I don't believe that
makes it necessarily
On Feb 2, 2022, at 12:41 AM, Bob Cameron wrote:
> MR358 or Coulsons Creek Road between Willow Tree and Merriwa NSW is closed
> for repair of major slippage as it crosses the Liverpool Ranges.
> "Livetraffic" (Traffic for NSW govt site) says not reopening until late 2023.
> A reference on that
an be
an exception. Again, it must be understood that it is a "rating," rather than
explicit values that mean specific things unto themselves.
> On Jan 30, 2022, at 9:15 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 15:27, stevea wrote:
> But to conflate two wholly different seman
> On Jan 30, 2022, at 8:16 PM, Phil Wyatt wrote:
> I think Class 1 specifically mentions disability access so I would hate to
> see that combined in any way with other classes.
+1: I agree that "disability access explicit" and "how much experience you
have as a bush-trail walker" are
I will "go here," too.
Years and years before this talk (I participated in the OSM-US sponsored Mappy
Hour where this talk of "fragile trails" in the USA's southwestern deserts
where "even a human footstep crunches to death slowly crystallizing soil" was
presented) my local area had similar
On Jan 4, 2022, at 3:51 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 16:51, stevea wrote:
> But it is a bit better than it was five minutes ago.
>
> & has now disappeared from Inspector, so you obviously did something right :-)
>
> I'll also leave the bus rout
On Jan 3, 2022, at 7:47 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 1:42 PM Andrew Hughes wrote:
>> In the interest of stirring up a hornets nest (jokes). I'd like to know what
>> could be said for tagging ways (streets/roads) with add:suburb (or
>> addr:county...) where the suburb (or
Mmm, mostly, I’d say, Warin. But let’s be careful not to encourage “only what
my use cases are” too much. When you say “if it cannot be seen from a public,
customer or permissive place then I don't really care to map it,” I ask for
caution with this sort of attitude. This is too parochial
-drive Yank
and don’t know the route or local area, I defer to others to tidy this up to
perfection. But it is a bit better than it was five minutes ago.
SteveA
> On Jan 2, 2022, at 10:37 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
> Been looking at OSM Inspector & it is showing an er
This is an identification of something I have noticed has been going on for
some time (as Phil mentions, since the early '90s, before OSM's time): other
mappers (governments, especially) "use" OSM as a reference, and OSM's data
influence other GISs. In my case, I've been watching as certain
On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:25 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> Thanks again everybody for your thoughts, & apologies if the subject is
> boring to you!
You are welcome / it is my distinct pleasure. No apology necessary, I don't
find this boring in the least, it's quite interesting.
On Dec 16, 2021, at 1:49 AM, Phil Wyatt wrote:
> My feeling is these two flags should be changed to flag:type=indigenous on
> the wiki rather than national given what has been found during this
> discussion.
>
> I am also not confident in changing the wiki but I think there is consensus
>
On Dec 17, 2021, at 2:46 PM, Phil Wyatt wrote:
> I have found one example where the Australian aboriginal flag looks to have
> been mapped as flag:type=cultural
Yes, see, I don't wholly disagree with flag:type=cultural, as that is "also"
true. What seems to happen (quite often with First
Whoops, I made a mistake: I meant to say that Navajo "Chapter Houses" are over
a hundred years old, not that there are over a hundred of them.
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On Dec 17, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 at 06:27, stevea wrote:
> My goodness, there are hundreds of them!
> Thought there would have been!
>
> Do you know if many have been mapped, & if so, as what?
>
> I can see that most of t
On Dec 16, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> Stevea, what do you have up there? Are there Apache & Navajo or any other
> First Peoples flags?
My goodness, there are hundreds of them!
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
(there
Such stunningly beautiful flags you have in your corner of our globe!
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Looks like the issues are well-at-hand and being discussed.
Cheers,
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_level scheme are great, and so far, not completely
"solved." On the other hand, if these are indeed "sovereign," then you're in
better luck than we are! Really, this can be a challenging problem to solve
(where there are "overlapping" or &qu
to make them do so).
The other proposed changes to Australia's table? I step aside, good Australian
OSM Contributors.
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[1] https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/United_States_admin_level
[2] https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/United_States/Boundaries
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I've seen the solution Warin notes here in USA, too. "Walk along the beach"
(somewhat lengthily) yet the tide removes all the sandy footprints of any
implicit or explicit "trail." It's a route, though one that is invisible upon
the ground. But not among people who say "yep, mate, I'm walking
I'm mixed in this reply and not quite able to invest the time right now on the
necessary research to revert.
On the one hand, the changeset is 3 months old and that's plenty of time for a
snarl to result from revert, because of temporal drift. On the other hand, the
geographical area is
I repeat something I have said a number of times, say for example, about
bicycle infrastructure / routes. Although it can be said about "pedestrian
infrastructure / routes" pretty much one-for-one (as bicycle infrastructure /
routes). It is this:
There is "infrastructure" tagging, like
something to be said for
people taking responsibility for using technology (like maps), not expecting it
to be "closed shut."
Let's fix how people (and software, like routers) read our map, if there is
something broken or deficient about that. Let's not censor our map.
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I've said this in other contexts and places and times:
> Displaying a closed trail on a map (like OSM) does NOT cause people to
> navigate that trail. Such behavior is completely up to the individual who
> "concludes" from reading said map "hey, I'm going to hike that closed trail
> anyway."
epartments of transportation...) things DO slowly "watch each other"
and blend into a harmony. It can take a decade, or forever. It unfolds as it
unfolds, including here and now.
Good on ya; keep up the great work.
That Yank SteveA
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Wow, thank you, Ian, that makes these particular circumstances absolutely
crystal-clear. Well-stated and paints a bright light forward.
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That's what I'd say about starting up using JOSM again, Andrew: "start small."
If you've already got it up and running (proper Java runtime environment
installed, a good command-line to start it, if that's how you do it...), yes,
it can be intimidating: like piloting a jet plane or an
On Oct 12, 2021, at 11:08 PM, Adam Horan wrote:
> Is this something that could be pushed to maproulette? Not as reversions, but
> tasks to validate or update OSM entries that match a pattern - eg edited by
> this user and now has bicycle=no, highway=footway etc?
I don’t want to say “absolute
answer any
more email ping-pongs.
I had all primed my next email how to install a reverter, but didn't send that
because it seems he remained in a low gear, and running a JOSM reverter is for
those who are, um, "in a higher gear."
Good luck getting your data in shape, there, m
Sebastian, I'd be willing to help you off-list get your (alas, Intel-based
only) macOS running JOSM. It starts with downloading a JRE (Java Runtime
Environment) from here:
https://java.com/en/download/apple.jsp
After success with that, please send me an email and we can go from there
Apologies to any / all who got my missive twice. (Mailserver glitch on my end).
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"Orthorectification" is the cartographic process here. This means "stretching" an image to remove distortion so it will match (or closely match given mathematical constraints) the spatial accuracy of a given map (like OSM's data) so that a close-enough match between the image and the existing map
To be clear, Ian, I'm not saying this use of data is an import, as you have
said and as it appears to me and others, it is / would be using the data as a
"filtering process" in a workflow. As such, I'm good with that.
The points I was making are that 1) data drift over time and 2) there are
onkers." I wish you the best in your efforts to enter high-quality,
"fresh" data!
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[1] https://maproulette.org
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ot;loose places" where we
might compromise security) by cute people with tasty-looking pectoral muscles
or polka-dot bikinis.
Or both.
Glad to see the DWG "raises an eyebrow of suspicion" when we mortals on the
ground "raise an eyebrow of suspicion." It's good.
Carefu
A challenge (with MapRoulette) is in correctly writing the query to return the
"proper" dataset. Once you do, it's great!
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Getting a MapRoulette dataset (.json, perhaps) just right can be challenging,
at least it was for me after I got the knack of these. For a while, I
struggled with some "around" syntax in OT to garden my data more nicely. Even
before that, the "rough cut" I started with bore a lot of fruit (it
Very nice work, Mike King. Thank you.
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On Jun 17, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Andrew Harvey via Talk-au
wrote:
>> It's a fair point that Vicmap's own postcode field shouldn't be taken as
>> 100% correct, it looks like it might have been assigned based on postcode
>> boundaries so might still suffer issues because of this, but where
>>
On Jun 17, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Andrew Harvey via Talk-au
wrote:
> It's a fair point that Vicmap's own postcode field shouldn't be taken as 100%
> correct, it looks like it might have been assigned based on postcode
> boundaries so might still suffer issues because of this, but where
>
I know (I know), I’m talking to the Australia list and I’m in the USA
(California). I have friends from Oz, but I’ve never been (I’d love to visit
as a tourist, it’s on my bucket list).
In the USA, the USPS (postal service) uses five-digit “ZIP” codes (Zone, digit
1; Improvement, digits 2 and
Looks like a fantastic resource, Graeme. Great work!
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No reason to get harsh. OSM has historically, does now and will into the
future map abandoned rail. OHM is an interesting project, but it isn't OSM.
It is neither harmful nor incorrect to "continue to include" a tag of
railway=abandoned on a railway which is abandoned. It is a simple
recently replying and (at first, generally) sticking to topics, the one-line
"zinger" he ends with that I quote above rather rudely wipes all the nice
pieces off the board, subtracting far, far more than his one, single point.
So, really,
for what it is)
find this behavior of yours highly suspect.
I apologize to the list for going into the deeper and darker aspects of human
behavior here. Sometimes, it is required to do so.
SteveA
On Dec 3, 2020, at 3:32 AM, Mikel Maron wrote:
> Thanks Mateusz, I agree. Points can easily be m
as objective as possible.
These are difficult times. Let us retain good senses of our humanity, lest we
devolve from even being human. OSM has what it takes to make good decisions.
Every day, today included, we put that to the test.
SteveA
> On Dec 2, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
>
(Answered off-list).
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Please tag boundary=census on census tracts. These are distinct from
boundary=administrative + admin_level=8 (for city or town boundaries, at least
in California). See United States/admin_level for what works out to be all
fifty states and six "other things" like Territories and
On Oct 23, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Greg Lauer wrote:
> I have not seen any apps that, for example, display any attribute (or
> graphic) to show a track is closed.
Try Carto (Standard) on a web page, how most users see OSM’s data as a map.
When tagged access=no, for example, a highway=path does not
Note: we do have important tags like access=no / access=private that I
consider a super-important tag to include on things like closed trails. “A
trail IS here, but this trail is CLOSED to you.” That’s good mapping, in my
opinion.
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Whoops, 11.5 years.
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hanks for reading.
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e educational, thank you again for your valuable “down under”
perspective!
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Not muddy at all, your clarifications are excellent. Much obliged, mate!
SteveA
On Oct 22, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Greg Lauer wrote:
> Good question
>
> To be clear I am a Kiwi (New Zealand) who lives in Australia (and has spent
> many years in the US) so my interpretation may be slig
Hi, it's stevea from California. Some of us in the USA are crafting a proposal
(https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Park_boundary), may be two or
three staged proposals, intended to better express the wide inclusive semantic
"we" (OSM-wide, but including US English-spea
many labels on many maps, especially when
they are older or specify an "older" aspect of a map label such as "Pack
Trail." This has an old-fashioned sense about it, as while pack animals on
trails are certainly still used, it's safe to say far, far less than the
ad
motorcycle, all-terrain-vehicle / four-runner or other high-clearance, two-axle
vehicle. It is a common phrase seen on maps of the 19th and 20th centuries,
but has fallen somewhat out of favor, though is still seen and used.
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le I'm no fan of edit wars, let's keep up
the vigilance and good work to remain as civil as we can with these folks.
Sometimes, with patience and a sort of
mentoring-while-not-appearing-to-be-mentoring, they can be shaped into great
contributors, other times, they are stubborn and don't reall
he extent it aids
better landcover mapping), it is a lightweight data structure, tagged with only
three tags (fire=perimeter, start_date and end_date), it remains invisible to
all renderers (that I know of) and is intended to aid mappers determining
"should re-mapping of landcover happ
Thanks, Richard. That's valuable input and I've updated the USBRS wiki, which
effectively puts the (informal) proposal for
proposed:route=bicycle into a sort of stalemate.
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s areas just clearcut.
This thread likely shouldn't have been cross-posted by me to talk-us and is now
(substantially) continued at the tagging list.
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e other hand, if it isn't appropriate that we map any of this,
please say so.
Thank you, especially any guidance offered from HOT contributors who have
worked on post-fire humanitarian disasters,
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California (who has returned home after evacuation, relatively safe now that
this fire is 100% co
ording to local
convention). Clear!
May this clarify similar strategies for better place=* tagging in the USA. It
is complicated when US English diverges from the more British (or Australian)
English that strongly influences wiki definitions of tags, but with some
discussion, we can both better understand these potentially confusing (but
ultimately understandable) differences, and tag well, even in the USA.
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Of course, I'm not pointing fingers or placing blame on any person / human in
particular. We agree: a bit of cleaning some rust off of the toolchain.
Change management. Does that happen on this channel? That's OK: no need to
answer that.
SteveA
hile I still find murky and mysterious exactly "how" to effect change in
renderers (who you gonna call?), my two best efforts along these lines are to
"tag well" and "wiki well." (And that can include a great deal of discussion
and consensus building on its ow
tend towards the ephemeral,
transitory-natured "I think this a good bike ride" GPX data, rather than "these
are official or quasi-official (signed on the ground)" bicycle route data
contained in OSM. Happily. the Internet has room for both. Is OSM
"unparalleled" when
in the United States."
The "definition" of "neighborhood" in the USA is even less clear, though it is
possible to draw the beginnings of a rough box around it. We could spend some
time trying to refine this, but I believe it would be difficult and possibly
contentious,
tly
wrong, but not absolutely), then these data are refined into adherence to
specification. Sure, we'd love the high-granularity, absolutely correct data
to enter the map "first, always and we're done," but that doesn't always happen.
> Exactly. My rule of thumb is if you're
he sub-city level. Larger
cities DO have these, admin_level=10 is correct on them. Smaller cities and
rural areas that are "a cluster of homes/houses/dwellings?" I think a
(multi)polygon tagged landuse=residential works well there.
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f wards at admin_level=9 that are purely voting / electoral districts to
being better tagged administrative=political.
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=suburb, but it
makes me wrinkle my brow a bit at it not fitting as well as a
landuse=residential (multi)polygon might rather generically and innocently
(without any hierarchy required) fit in.
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you tag
appropriately. Tag "appropriately" and help it out: it will help you out with
a pretty "blossom" of your tagging. (Unless it doesn't, but then we're out at
the hairy edge of OSM and Carto...another, bigger, topic).
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again, Elliott, for a great suggestion.
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ce. Your suggestion to
consider Lifecycle_prefix in addition is both welcome and excellent, imo.
Thank you.
If anybody wishes to contribute a suggested strategy to include
Lifecycle_prefix tagging in our USBRS wiki, I welcome that and also consider
doing so myself.
What a great proje
Minor correction to my previous post: USBR 1 in Washington DC is a new route,
not a realignment.
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ASHTO to enter these data from these ballots.
Thank you for helping to build Earth's largest official cycling route network:
check out our wiki, follow the links to the turn-by-turn and map data and have
fun making bicycle route data in OSM more complete and better!
SteveA
California
One of many USBRS-in
y blunders, so
avoid these! Finally, when in doubt, seek consensus: plenty of community
wants to help make a better map, but only with agreement does that happen.
SteveA
> On Fri., Sep. 11, 2020, 3:56 p.m. Michał Brzozowski,
> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Do we have any examples of compani
areful and
accurate mapping might influence "official" or "authoritative" GIS data. It
can, it has, it does and it will continue to do so.
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r "adjustment or correction."
Nicely, I believe we are both correct!
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ender according to our hammered-out-here
agreements on how this should and will best take place. We really are getting
closer to doing this, thanks to excellent discussion here.
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evin and Joseph talking, this feels like it can get solved!
Thanks for putting on thinking caps and typing words carefully,
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tion with strict criteria (like it
must be signed, benched or on another map). OSM tends to "self-heal" if it
runs away with itself like this. (Strong local volunteers who mentor and grow
novice users and establish wide consensus greatly helps, too).
Too long, stopping here,
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at the sign
says (which Frederik posted and I have seen personally). Speculating, I'd
guess this sign was placed there by local search and rescue personnel (might be
fire / paramedics) who don't wish to be burdened with rescues (or worse) at the
s
erers
do their magic. (As usual, but it's a good question, thank you for that
familiar sign and I'm glad there is such lively participation in suggestions).
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belongs in OSM for many reasons and want it tagged "correctly." Yes, there are
other maps that show this, I believe OSM should have these data, too, as this
perimeter will affect much (in the real world) and much newer, updated mapping
in OSM going forward.
Thank you for your suggestions,
y the OSMF's OWG.
While the latter seems unrelated, the former still remains quite vague to me
and I suspect most readers of this list. If you are going to write about this
more here, can you please present a clear technical specification (tech spec)
of what you wish to see b
s database
model, he simply sent us a link to it (which we can find ourselves, but thanks
for the effort).
pangoSE: please stop ignoring me in these threads. I'm extending effort to
listen, your lack of reply seems disingenuous.
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