Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 20 Jul 2010, at 01:20, Liz wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, SteveC wrote: From my experience off list with all the people frustrated both in email and in person, those 20 or so people here just don't represent everyone else who'd prefer all this discussion to go to legal-talk and just move on

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Simon Ward wrote: For my part, I don’t fully agree with the contributor terms, and I suggest we start there because they are also what I’ve seen other people voice their dissent about. As I said, if you intend to further restrict possible future license changes via the contributor terms

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 July 2010 16:55, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: The contributor terms are linked to the license change question and cannot be viewed in isolation. Why not? It seems like a fairly arbitrary decision to force them to be linked... I would also like to draw attention to the fact

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 08:55:17AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: I would also like to draw attention to the fact that OSMF members - among them, I believe, yourself - have approved the process, including the current version of the contributor terms, with a 89% majority in December last year. You

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
John, John Smith wrote: The contributor terms are linked to the license change question and cannot be viewed in isolation. Why not? It seems like a fairly arbitrary decision to force them to be linked... Please read and understand:

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
Frederik, I'm sorry, but idea that PD fans holds all license question hostage and therefore CT is needed is stupidest thing I ever heard during my entire life. PD guys need to understand that this project might *never* submit to PD. As much as I like PD as concept, it is unreal to implement it in

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing the Open Brewpub Map

2010-07-20 Thread Ken Guest
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de wrote: Tagging is easy. Just add microbrewery=yes to the node or building area object of your local brewpub. Whee. Now, please define

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread SteveC
That's really for the LWG to answer... On Jul 19, 2010, at 8:55 PM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: 2010/7/19 SteveC st...@asklater.com: Can you restate the question as I don't have mail archives etc here (on my phone) Ok, there it goes: I suggest to add SA clause and Attribution clause as

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing the Open Brewpub Map

2010-07-20 Thread Sven Geggus
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Whee. Now, please define microbrewery and brewpub. Is this a microbrewery: http://www.jamessquirebrewhouse.net/melbourne/index.php It probably is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbrewery If beer is available in supermarkets nationwide I would say

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 July 2010 18:17, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: p.s. I still want to hear official word from Steve or anyone about CT Section 3, even if it is no. But please without PD crowd is mighty crap Hmmm so it seems that Fredrick thinks it's ok to loose people as long as they aren't

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: I'm sorry, but idea that PD fans holds all license question hostage and therefore CT is needed is stupidest thing I ever heard during my entire life. Nobody said anything about holding anything hostage. There's lots of parties to this agreement and everyone has

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
John, John Smith wrote: Hmmm so it seems that Fredrick thinks it's ok to loose people as long as they aren't from the pro-PD crowd... The idea is to try and lose the smallest number of people in the process while doing what is necessary. This requires that everyone is paid respect. Telling

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
I realize that there are others who believe that the lawyers advising OSMF are wrong, and that CC-BY-SA could indeed be used further. I have doubts about this and would like the proponents of that idea put forward concrete plans about how to implement CC-BY-SA in an internationally balanced

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 July 2010 18:59, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: Frederik, again you mix it all up. I said i'm fine with ODBL (and so far everyone who rants about CT says nothing bad about ODBL). I truely respect huge work putted into it. What I don't like is that CT section 3 practically

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: What I don't like is that CT section 3 practically strips all this good work away, with having vague definition of new and open license. Free and open. And personally, I think that's just about ok - OSM is about creating a free map of the world, not a share-alike

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
John, John Smith wrote: I'm starting to wonder if this is intentional misdirection I'm unwilling to continue the discussion on this level. Have a good time. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-20 Thread 80n
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Ulf Möller o...@ulfm.de wrote: Am 17.07.2010 05:07, schrieb Michael Barabanov: 1. Current license does not cover the OSM data (I think that's the OSMF view). In this case, OSMF can just change to ODBL without asking anyone. The OSMF has a contractual

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 July 2010 18:50, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: The idea is to try and lose the smallest number of people in the process while doing what is necessary. This requires that everyone is paid respect. Telling people that they are stupid and their ideas crap is not a good way to

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 July 2010 19:09, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I'm unwilling to continue the discussion on this level. Have a good time. Sounds like par of the course, you refuse to even think about being more flexible for current contributors, at least you aren't throwing personal insults yet.

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 July 2010 19:11, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: There is no contract between OSMF and most contributors (excepting newbies who have signed up to the Contributor Terms).. Erm since OSM-F does run OSM.org the old contributor agreement saying you agree to license your work under cc-by-sa would

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:05 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 July 2010 18:59, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: Frederik, again you mix it all up. I said i'm fine with ODBL (and so far everyone who rants about CT says nothing bad about ODBL). I truely respect

[OSM-talk] josm not downloading

2010-07-20 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
hi, I have been trying to download the latest josm for the whole day today - but I do not even get the 'save or open' dialog box. Is it me? or is there some problem -- Regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 20.07.2010 11:12, John Smith wrote: On one hand you are avidly promoting things should be allowed to go to PD, on the other hand you keep saying CC-by-SA isn't good enough and frankly I can't see this logic, either you want PD and in which case CC-by-SA may be for all intents and purposes

Re: [OSM-talk] josm not downloading

2010-07-20 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org To: OSM Talk talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:27 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] josm not downloading hi, I have been trying to download the latest josm for the whole day today - but I do not even get

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Cartinus
On Tuesday 20 July 2010 09:10:29 John Smith wrote: I believe this is the point Steve keeps pointing out, there was no direct consequences at the time, and people were assuming there is still outs later if problems were discovered and up until that point the emphasis was strongly on the new

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:50 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I realize that there are others who believe that the lawyers advising OSMF are wrong, and that CC-BY-SA could indeed be used further. I have doubts about this and would like the proponents of that idea put forward

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-20 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 19 July 2010 23:16, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:04:55PM +0100, Emilie Laffray wrote: This is the same about anything using contract law. Someone breaking the contract and redistributing it doesn't remove the contract that is given with the data. They

[OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers

2010-07-20 Thread Richard Weait
Should we continue to name the osm.org tile layers by the renderers they use? Is overloading the terms mapnik and osmarender as both a tile layer, style file and rendering library confusing? The German OSM site refers to the layers as Standard and Alternative, which removes the confusion but is

[OSM-talk] State of the Map US Schedule

2010-07-20 Thread Kate Chapman
Hey All, It was mentioned to me that I didn't post this to the main talk list. We are having a SotM for the U.S. in August. The schedule for SOTM US is up. http://www.sotm.us/?page_id=2 We have all sorts of exciting things planned. There are talks on everything from OSM in Government to

[OSM-legal-talk] Query over contributor terms

2010-07-20 Thread David Groom
Apologies if this has been brought up before. The last line of para 1 of the contributors terms states You have explicit permission from the rights holder to submit the Contents. The use of the word explicit worries me. To me that would indicate that the rights holder would have to

Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers

2010-07-20 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 7/20/10, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Should we continue to name the osm.org tile layers by the renderers they use? [...] I think we need better names for the current mapnik and osmarender layers on OSM.org.[...] What about descriptive names like General, Driving or Default for

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-20 Thread Heiko Jacobs
John Smith schrieb: On 20 July 2010 19:11, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: There is no contract between OSMF and most contributors (excepting newbies who have signed up to the Contributor Terms).. Erm since OSM-F does run OSM.org the old contributor agreement saying you agree to license your work

[OSM-talk] (no subject)

2010-07-20 Thread Graham Jones
talk@openstreetmap.org, ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 20 July 2010 01:32, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: The proposed license change makes two concessions to the PD advocates. One is that you get a (symbolic) chance of officially declaring your contribution PD. This does not have legal relevance, as you cannot extract PD data

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, andrzej zaborowski wrote: (FWIW I pledge that if I can have a no-CT account (ODbL only), I will register a second account to make a percentage of my edits in PD, especially those modifying objects created by others) Best idea I read so far :) Stefan

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 20 July 2010 11:07, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: If any any future time OSM thinks that a non-share-alike license would be best - why should we, today, try to dictate our wish to them? Because each of us is an author of a little chunk of data and want to have a say in how that

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Kai Krueger
Frederik Ramm wrote: The proposed license change makes two concessions to the PD advocates. One is that you get a (symbolic) chance of officially declaring your contribution PD. This does not have legal relevance, as you cannot extract PD data from an ODbL protected database without

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing the Open Brewpub Map

2010-07-20 Thread SomeoneElse
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Whee. Now, please define microbrewery and brewpub. It's an if it quacks like a duck question, isn't it? Most English* breweries (large and small) have historically had a brewery tap adjacent to the brewery, owned by the brewery which sells that

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discu ssion more inclusive?

2010-07-20 Thread Ed Avis
Ulf Möller osm at ulfm.de writes: 1. Current license does not cover the OSM data (I think that's the OSMF view). In this case, OSMF can just change to ODBL without asking anyone. The OSMF has a contractual relationship with its contributors. So if there is no copyright protection on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Kai Krueger wrote: However, it is also not possible to incorporate any datasources such as e.g. OSM that are compatible with ODbL, as the CT prevent that as it may move to PD. I think we have already agreed on having to have exceptions for large imports, i.e. there will be some data in

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-20 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 18:32, Heiko Jacobs heiko.jac...@gmx.de wrote: John Smith schrieb: On 20 July 2010 19:11, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: There is no contract between OSMF and most contributors (excepting newbies who have signed up to the Contributor Terms).. Erm since OSM-F does run

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-20 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb: Is there any official archive of all contributors agreements yet used in OSM? This, I think: http://www.osmfoundation.org/index.php?title=License/Contributor_Termsaction=history I meant ALL of them including this one the very first mapper no. 1 has signed

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-20 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: So again, either CC-BY-SA 'protects' the data or it does not. Or it protects the data sometimes, in some jurisdictions, possibly, depending on who you ask. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing the Open Brewpub Map

2010-07-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Ken Guest k...@linux.ie wrote: The huge hint is the text Upstairs, our working micro-brewery produces only the finest of local hand-crafted beers. :D Sven said it well: If beer is available in supermarkets nationwide I would say no and yes otherwise.

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-20 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: So again, either CC-BY-SA 'protects' the data or it does not. Or it protects the data sometimes, in some jurisdictions, possibly, depending on who you ask.

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Am 20.07.2010 22:06, schrieb andrzej zaborowski: On 20 July 2010 11:07, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: If any any future time OSM thinks that a non-share-alike license would be best - why should we, today, try to dictate our wish to them? Because each of us is an author of a

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Am 19.07.2010 16:26, schrieb Peteris Krisjanis: Ok, Frederik, I understand (but don't accept) your arguments here, but to push discussion in more practical way: what to do with data providers like Nearmap? How to convince them? Easy. Keep on mapping and be the bigger fish in a couple years.

Re: [Talk-in] Renumbering National Highways

2010-07-20 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote: Hi all, The Ministry of Road Transport and Highways have released the new scientific numbering scheme[1]. We need to decide if we

Re: [Talk-it] Copia Proprietà/Tag

2010-07-20 Thread Simone Saviolo
Il 19 luglio 2010 19.15, Tiziano D'Angelo tiziano.dang...@gmail.com ha scritto: più semplice a farsi che a dirsi: - CTRL+C per copiare i tag dall'oggetto selezionato - CTRL+SHIFT+V per incollare i tag sull'oggetto selezionato ciao Tiziano 2010/7/19 Stefano Tampieri

Re: [Talk-it] impostazioni wmsplugin funzionanti

2010-07-20 Thread Stefano Tampieri
Funziona tutto bene però andando a vedere la directory di cache ho notato che i file vengono salvati comunque come PNG anche se il link del wms l'ho impostato per scaricare i Jpeg e cioè così :

[Talk-it] routing su osm

2010-07-20 Thread Stefano Salvador
Ciao a tutti, hanno messo online i primi tentativi per integrare il routing direttamente nel sito principale di osm [1], il motore che sta dietro è ancora perfettibile ma il Project of the week [2] consiglia di provare ad usarlo in modo che gli sviluppatori abbiano qualche indicazione sull'uso

Re: [Talk-it] routing su osm

2010-07-20 Thread Mattia Cacco
Molto interessante! Il funzionamento non sembra niente male, ma la selezione del mezzo (pubblic transport) è legata solamente al tipo di mezzo che si sta guidando? Mi sembra che ignori completamente la presenza di linee di trasporto pubblico di qualsiasi genere.. bè, adesso mi informo un po'..

Re: [Talk-it] routing su osm

2010-07-20 Thread Stefano Salvador
Il funzionamento non sembra niente male, ma la selezione del mezzo (pubblic transport) è legata solamente al tipo di mezzo che si sta guidando? Mi sembra che ignori completamente la presenza di linee di trasporto pubblico di qualsiasi genere.. bè, adesso mi informo un po'.. che io sappia per

Re: [Talk-it] routing su osm

2010-07-20 Thread Stefano Pedretti
E' molto più veloce di qualsiasi altra cosa abbia provato! Per renderlo completo per le bici ci vorrebbe l'estrazione del profilo altimetrico in stile [1]. Suggerirei inoltre la differenziazione tra bicicletta e MTB. [1] http://bikeroutetoaster.com/Course.aspx

Re: [Talk-it] Copia Proprietà/Tag

2010-07-20 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/19 ale_z...@libero.it ale_z...@libero.it: Messaggio originale Da: stefano.tampi...@gmail.com Data: 19/07/2010 19.29 A: openstreetmap list - italianotalk-it@openstreetmap.org Ogg: Re: [Talk-it] Copia Proprietà/Tag grazie e io che provavo a selezionare i tag e fare copia

Re: [Talk-it] routing su osm

2010-07-20 Thread Mattia Cacco
che io sappia per ora è solo un test per valutare le richieste hardware, Ok ad esempio mi risulta ignori anche i sensi unici. Da quanto risulta dai miei pochi e provocatori test vedo che i sensi unici li rispetta, anche se magari poi non prende la strada che farei io. Ciao, Stefano

Re: [Talk-it] impostazioni wmsplugin funzionanti

2010-07-20 Thread Andrea Pogliaghi
Ciao a tutti, vorrei chiedere se qualcuno ha già provato / è riuscito a configurare geowebcache con i livelli WMS del PCN o di regione lombardia? Io personalmente ci ho perso qualche ora ma senza risultati... ciao andrea 2010/7/18 Francesco de Virgilio fradev...@gmail.com On Fri, Jul 16, 2010

Re: [Talk-it] routing su osm

2010-07-20 Thread Stefano Pedretti
2010/7/20 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com 2010/7/20 Stefano Pedretti stefano.pedre...@gmail.com: Per renderlo completo per le bici ci vorrebbe l'estrazione del profilo altimetrico in stile [1]. E magari anche tenere in conto il profilo altimetrico nel calcolo del percorso migliore...

Re: [Talk-it] routing su osm

2010-07-20 Thread albertobonati
Il 20/07/2010 11.02, Stefano Salvador ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, hanno messo online i primi tentativi per integrare il routing direttamente nel sito principale di osm [1], il motore che sta dietro è ancora perfettibile ma il Project of the week [2] consiglia di provare ad usarlo in modo che gli

Re: [Talk-it] routing su osm

2010-07-20 Thread Simone Saviolo
Un buon tool, che potrebbe avvicinare il sito di OSM a quello di GMaps come usabilità e utilità per l'utente. Però il routing è quantomeno da tunare.

Re: [Talk-it] routing su osm

2010-07-20 Thread G Zamboni
Il 20/07/2010 13.22, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: Un buon tool, che potrebbe avvicinare il sito di OSM a quello di GMaps come usabilit e utilit per l'utente. Per il routing quantomeno da tunare.

Re: [Talk-it] routing su osm

2010-07-20 Thread Stefano Cavallari
On Tuesday 20 July 2010 13:49:42 G Zamboni wrote: E' chiaro che è migliorabile, a volte fa anche giri simpatici. (Cosa va a fare in Via Vicenza??): http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/index.html?lat=45.62884lon=12.56

Re: [Talk-it] routing su osm

2010-07-20 Thread Stefano Tampieri
A me sembra veramente fatto bene, velocissimo. A me impostando il tragitto corto riesce a trovare la strada che faccio sempre io quando vado al mare mentre tutti i navigatori che ho usato impazziscono e cercano sempre di buttarmi sulle statali. Il giorno 20 luglio 2010 13.59, Stefano Cavallari

[Talk-it] [talk-it] Strade che passano su terrazze

2010-07-20 Thread Simone Saviolo
Ciao a tutti, scusate la descrizione poco tecnica :-) Vorrei mappare una strada che passa su una terrazza. La situazione è questa: c'è una strada secondaria che attraversa Varazze e costituisce una via parallela all'Aurelia, all'interno invece che sul lungomare. Questa strada rimane scavata in

Re: [Talk-it] [talk-it] Strade che passano su terrazze

2010-07-20 Thread Daniele Forsi
Il 20 luglio 2010 16.45, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: non vorrei che altre applicazioni immaginassero che il Teiro o la strada di cui sopra improvvisamente scendessero sottoterra per passare sotto agli oggetti sulla terrazza (che sarebbero invece interpretati come livello del suolo). Che ne

Re: [Talk-it] [talk-it] Strade che passano su terrazze

2010-07-20 Thread Simone Saviolo
Il 20 luglio 2010 17.16, Daniele Forsi dfo...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 20 luglio 2010 16.45, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: non vorrei che altre applicazioni immaginassero che il Teiro o la strada di cui sopra improvvisamente scendessero sottoterra per passare sotto agli oggetti sulla terrazza

[Talk-it] [talk-it] Mapnik e highway=*_link

2010-07-20 Thread Simone Saviolo
Ciao, in [1] ci sono una highway=unclassified e una highway=service che si immettono su una highway=primary_link. Il risultato è che Mapnik renderizza le strade minori sopra alle due primary_link, con uno sgradevolissimo effetto visivo. Io direi che è un bug di Mapnik. Qualcuno ha qualche idea

Re: [Talk-it] [talk-it] Mapnik e highway=*_link

2010-07-20 Thread G Zamboni
Il 20/07/2010 18:07, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: Ciao, in [1] ci sono una highway=unclassified e una highway=service che si immettono su una highway=primary_link. Il risultato è che Mapnik renderizza le strade minori sopra alle due primary_link, con uno sgradevolissimo effetto visivo. Anche

Re: [Talk-it] WMS Sicilia - piena funzionalità

2010-07-20 Thread Gianfranco Gliozzo
Male Male Con quelle ortofoto così be definite seppur dalla incoerente georeferenziazione con il PCN e a volte non riprese zenitalmente come ci si può astenere dal ricalcare? Male Male! Gianfra To: talk-it@openstreetmap.org From: magellan...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:51:43

Re: [Talk-at] Straße mit zwei namen!

2010-07-20 Thread Boris Cornet
Hi DownTownMapper! Heute (20. Juli) um 21:29 ließest du verlauten: Und nun gleich zu meinem ersten Problem: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/24672549 Nun, ich denke da ist wirklich was falsch, ich glaube auch nicht, dass die Straße wirklich Rechte Bachgasse, Linke Bachgasse heißt.

Re: [Talk-at] Straße mit zwei namen!

2010-07-20 Thread Down Town Mapper
Hallo Boris, die Straßenseiten haben tatsächlich verschiedene Namen, ich hab alles mit dem Rad abgefahren um die GPS Daten zu haben. Ich bin mir daher auch sicher, dass ich die Daten verbessert habe. Auf der Homepage von Oberwart ist auch ein Stadtplan (

Re: [Talk-at] Straße mit zwei namen!

2010-07-20 Thread Boris Cornet
Servus DownTownMapper! Heute (20. Juli) um 23:10 ließest du verlauten: die Straßenseiten haben tatsächlich verschiedene Namen, ich hab alles mit dem Rad abgefahren um die GPS Daten zu haben. Ich bin mir daher auch sicher, dass ich die Daten verbessert habe. Auf der Homepage von Oberwart ist

[OSM-fi] Looking for participants to test OSM-based audio street maps

2010-07-20 Thread Esther Loeliger
Dear all Apologies for cross-posting. As part of my Master's project at Queen Mary, University of London, I'm looking for participants to take part in a game centred on wayfinding challenges in urban audio maps. The game should take no longer than 20 minutes to complete and there will be a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-20 Thread James Livingston
On 20/07/2010, at 9:10 AM, Emilie Laffray wrote: To the best of my knowledge, violating a contract and making the data available doesn't make the data public domain. Indeed. The relevant question is then Is hosting a copy of ODbL licensed material (e.g. a planet dump) on your website without

[OSM-legal-talk] Query about existing users agreeing to the contributor terms

2010-07-20 Thread David Groom
At some time in the future existing contributors will be asked to agree to the contributor terms. The tense of some of those terms concerns me: From the introductory paragraph ...rights in any Contents that You choose to submit... From paragraph 1 You agree to only add The tense

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Query over contributor terms

2010-07-20 Thread 80n
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 5:26 PM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.netwrote: Apologies if this has been brought up before. The last line of para 1 of the contributors terms states You have explicit permission from the rights holder to submit the Contents. Given the scope of the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Query over contributor terms

2010-07-20 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: 80n 80n...@gmail.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Query over contributor terms On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 5:26 PM, David Groom

[OSM-legal-talk] new OSM, supposed ODbL, will be still CC-BY-SA ?!

2010-07-20 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Frederik Ramm schrieb: here's an interesting one. May I add another one? ;-) Suppose OSM has just changed its license to ODbL. A final CC-BY-SA planet has been released, non-relicensed data has been removed from the servers, and the project is again humming along nicely (relief!). In

[OSM-talk-nl] Microbrewery

2010-07-20 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Har! Ik heb vanmorgen de eerste Microbrewery in Nederland toegevoegd: http://brewpubs.openstreetmap.de/?zoom=7lat=52.04094lon=5.67328layers=BT Dus ken je ook een kroeg die naast de standaard biertjes ook z'n eigen bier serveert voeg een microbrewery=yes toe en je komt op deze kaart.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Microbrewery

2010-07-20 Thread Paul Smits
Tof, maar De Bekeerde Suster is toch met een S? Op 20 juli 2010 17:01 schreef Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu het volgende: Har! Ik heb vanmorgen de eerste Microbrewery in Nederland toegevoegd: http://brewpubs.openstreetmap.de/?zoom=7lat=52.04094lon=5.67328layers=BT Dus ken je ook een

Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

2010-07-20 Thread Steve Bennett
Why not use: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:noname Steve On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: I can check Yass on Friday, as the Department of Health and Ageing is paying me to drive that way again. Thanks Liz, that'd be great. I'll bet a

Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

2010-07-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 July 2010 16:10, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Why not use: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:noname I was told in the UK they have streets that aren't named, where as in Australia all streets do have names, I sent an email to this list some time ago asking for

[talk-au] Mapping a blank spot

2010-07-20 Thread Richard Weait
Dear Liz, You said in a recent post to a list that you had mapped what was once a blank spot on the map. Have you seen the OSM History animations from GeoFabrik? http://www.geofabrik.de/gallery/history/index.html If the area that you mapped is not in a current animation, you might ask them to

Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

2010-07-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 July 2010 22:57, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Asking a local is one option. I go with, I'm so lost. Can you tell me what street this is? That only works if there is someone to ask... Visiting a business and asking for a business card is another option. Business cards

[talk-au] Looking for participants to test OSM-based audio street maps

2010-07-20 Thread Esther Loeliger
Dear all Apologies for cross-posting. As part of my Master's project at Queen Mary, University of London, I'm looking for participants to take part in a game centred on wayfinding challenges in urban audio maps. The game should take no longer than 20 minutes to complete and there will be a

Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

2010-07-20 Thread Liz
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, John Smith wrote: The only places I've seen signs vandalised are usually in residential locations, Hoylen and myself spotted one the other day during the mapping party... Because our Council uses surnames of people to name the roads, others with the same surname steal

Re: [talk-au] Mapping a blank spot

2010-07-20 Thread Liz
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Richard Weait wrote: Dear Liz, You said in a recent post to a list that you had mapped what was once a blank spot on the map. Have you seen the OSM History animations from GeoFabrik? http://www.geofabrik.de/gallery/history/index.html If the area that you mapped is

Re: [talk-au] Mapping a blank spot

2010-07-20 Thread John Smith
On 21 July 2010 07:08, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: I made an animation a couple of years ago, and probably still have a copy. What is now needed pictorially is the difference with and without my edits. To do this properly, you need a complete copy of the DB dump which included all history made

Re: [talk-au] ODBL yet again, but from a pragmatic approach...

2010-07-20 Thread Andrew Harvey
If only public domain was accepted then all of the government's CC imports would not be possible. On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Christoph Donges cdon...@gmail.com wrote: Things would have been so much simpler if they had gone with pd from the start. Personally I consider all my edits (not

[talk-au] New Wagga Wagga + Albury Nearmap coverage

2010-07-20 Thread John Smith
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NearMap_PhotoMaps#New_South_Wales.2FVictoria ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] ODBL yet again, but from a pragmatic approach...

2010-07-20 Thread John Smith
On 21 July 2010 14:27, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: If only public domain was accepted then all of the government's CC imports would not be possible. I'm not sure how complete it is, but there is a list of data sets and the licenses:

Re: [Talk-de] Schreckgespenst Datenverlust

2010-07-20 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Dienstag 20 Juli 2010, 07:23:44 schrieb Jens Frank: Am 19. Juli 2010 17:02 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: Weiter wird dann sogar sowas verblödetes wie ein Fork in die Diskussion eingebracht. Statt die Arbeit dann in die osm zu stecken und an EINER freien Weltkarte zu schrauben

Re: [Talk-de] Behindertenparkplatz-Die Lösung

2010-07-20 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Dienstag 20 Juli 2010, 01:50:27 schrieb Thomas Ineichen: Und wer bringt das alles den Rolli-Fahrern bei, die eigentlich nur ein paar Behinderten-Parkplätze einzeichnen möchten? ein entsprechendes Preset im Editor? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [Talk-de] Behindertenparkplatz-Die Lösung

2010-07-20 Thread yzemaze
Moin, On 20.07.2010 01:50, Thomas Ineichen wrote: Hallo ihr, highway=residental parking:lane:right=inline capacity:standard=3 capacity:disabled=1 parking:condition:right=residents parking:condition:right:residents=G bzw. highway=residental parking:lane:right=inline

Re: [Talk-de] Fehler in mapgen.pl 1.05?

2010-07-20 Thread Gary68
hi, habe es herausgefunden, woran es liegt. steigt die horizontale distanz auf über 180 grad, so gibt geo proj4 bei der transformation der koordinaten negative werte für maxlon zurück. daraus ergibt sich ein falsches verhältnis von höhe zu breite, also ein negatives. so wie es im augenblick

Re: [Talk-de] Fehler in mapgen.pl 1.05?

2010-07-20 Thread Gary68
mir ist noch was eingefallen. evtl. kann man den nullmeridian der projektion auf einen anderen wert setzen. im augenblick steht da (in mapgen.pm) my $l0 = int($l) - 1 ; der liegt also außerhalb des zu zeichnenden bereichs vielleicht kann man den so verwursten my $l0 =

[Talk-de] SOTM 2010 - feedback

2010-07-20 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Hallo, leider hatte es auf der SOTM 2010 nicht mit dem Feedback geklappt - kleine organisatorische Panne... Deswegen gibt es einen Aufruf in den News mit der Bitte um Teilnahme: http://stateofthemap.org/feedback-please/ Dort sind sowohl die Teilnehmer als auch die Nicht-Teilnehmer

Re: [Talk-de] Radweg oder nicht Radweg?

2010-07-20 Thread Rainer Knaepper
heiko.jac...@gmx.de (Heiko Jacobs) am 20.07.10: Rainer Knaepper schrieb: Da müssen Fußgänger, Rollifahrer und Radler durch, weil die benachbarte Hochstraße für selbige verboten ist. Nö, ist nicht verboten laut OSM! ;-) Kraftfahrstraßenschild? -- motorroad=yes explizite Verbotsschilder für

Re: [Talk-de] Radweg oder nicht Radweg?

2010-07-20 Thread Rainer Knaepper
sh...@nurfuerspam.de (Fabian) am 20.07.10: schonmal die kleinigkeit das garkeine fussgaenger hinkommen weil nur cycleways hinfuehren. Dieses radfahrerzentrierte Tagging gibt es hier überall, an allen Ecken und Enden und auch noch uneinheitlich. Und nein, das stammt nicht von mir, ich bin eher

Re: [Talk-de] SOTM 2010 - feedback

2010-07-20 Thread Markus
Hallo Michael, gibt es denn schon Erfahrungs- und Erlebnisberichte? (in Deutsch) Gab es Mitschnitte von Veranstaltungen? Wo kann man sich diese anschauen/hören? Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

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