Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.

2010-12-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: it to receive. I think I have a solution how we could expose it to more users with OpenMaps for iOS. How? Just launch OpenMaps, find your favorite bar/pub/restaurant/etc. on the map, tap on it (yes, in contrast with Maps

Re: [OSM-talk] Category: Users who contribute their data in Public domain

2010-12-19 Thread Tim Waters
On 19 December 2010 03:28, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm just wondering how many users out their still need to update their wiki.openstreetmap.org page wit their licence preference. Well, I for one do, but like many users, don't do wiki's much. Is there a how-to

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: I'm sorry, but no. This is not common practice, nor is it desirable. Could we please not give advice which only reflects personal preferences? Fwiw, highway=road is for when you know *nothing* about a road. Can you tell me, hand on heart, that

Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.

2010-12-19 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 21:46, Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: the app installed on their device). They can even follow the recent Twitter conversation about an OSM element within the app. So if they want to share with the public that they serve amazing coffee at openmaps://n/957085286

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:04 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: I'm sorry, but no. This is not common practice, nor is it desirable. Could we please not give advice which only reflects personal preferences? Fwiw, highway=road

Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.

2010-12-19 Thread Tim Waters
Cool idea - I can see how it can help the OSM project. There are a couple of things. 1) What to do about users adding the same point, but differently. For example user A goes I'm at McDonalds, it's a cafe, user B goes I'm at Mac Donalds, it's a fast food restaurant for the same location. What

Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.

2010-12-19 Thread Zsombor Szabó
Guys, thanks. I can work with this feedback. Ken: Currently we support only Twitter. Serge: The goal with this sharing, commenting, checking in to OSM places on Twitter is to create a buzz about OSM there and expose it to potential new users. With that said if you open an openmaps:// link you

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread John F. Eldredge
So, you are saying that you feel OpenStreetMap should reflect the status of the road when the aerial photo was made, rather than the current status? ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced From :mailto:sea...@gmail.com Date :Sun Dec 19 10:17:51

Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.

2010-12-19 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 18:01, Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: Simone: If you see a clickable openmaps:// link somewhere in an iOS app (e.g. in Twitter for iPhone) and click on it then OpenMaps will launch and show you that OSM place where (pasted text from above coming) you can

Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.

2010-12-19 Thread Tim Waters
Hi, Zsombor, thanks for the reply, and clarifying about chickens. When/how does OSM get edited with the app by the user? (Sorry, not got an Iphone so cannot see for myself :) Earlier in the thread you said Every user that makes an edit to OSM via the app does it with their own OSM user.

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:19:03 + John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: So, you are saying that you feel OpenStreetMap should reflect the status of the road when the aerial photo was made, rather than the current status? The road in question in the original post was on nearmap imagery

Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.

2010-12-19 Thread Cartinus
On Saturday 18 December 2010 23:28:54 Zsombor Szabó wrote: Wasn't expecting so poor reception on behalf of the OSM community. No one commented on the idea of sharing and checking into OSM places on Twitter with OpenMaps for iOS to increase OSM awareness. Does this mean that you don't have an

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread John F. Eldredge
Yes, but seav80 was saying that he or she prefers data made from the aerial view (up to 3 months old, and without some details observable only from the ground) to data recorded by someone going now to the location on the ground. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Termsof Use?

2010-12-19 Thread Simon Poole
Anthony o...@inbox.org writes ... That's probably a combination of the fact that Microsoft doesn't own that right in the first place and the fact that tracing a map doesn't create a derived work. ... That is a very brave statement. It may be true that tracing aerial images (what you probably

Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how toincrease OSM awareness.

2010-12-19 Thread john
Well, in my case, I hadn't responded because I have a BlackBerry Storm rather than an iPhone. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how toincrease OSM awareness. From :mailto:zsom...@gmail.com Date :Sat Dec 18 16:28:54 America/Chicago

Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how toincrease OSM awareness.

2010-12-19 Thread john
I would assume this means that, in order for this app to update OSM, you would need to enter your OSM user ID and password as part of the app's settings. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how toincrease OSM awareness. From

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-19 Thread Fabio Alessandro Locati
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Hmm, is Austria not in Europe any more? Or possibly some problem with your script that there is no entry for it? Sorry, forgot to do it. Now I'm extracting Austria and soon will be present :) Robert Kaiser Fabio Locati --

Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how toincrease OSM awareness.

2010-12-19 Thread Katie Filbert
I would be willing to try OpenMaps at some point and thank you for creating it! However, I can't install new iPhone apps currently (1- must delete others music I don't want; 2 - I'm locked out of iTunes since my account was hacked recently and haven't bothered yet to get it restored; 3

Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how toincrease OSM awareness.

2010-12-19 Thread Adam Fritzler
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Katie Filbert filbe...@gmail.com wrote: I would be willing to try OpenMaps at some point and thank you for creating Yes, it looks great! Another question is what's the difference between the free and the non-free app?  It's not clear from the descriptions.

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:04 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: This discussion is simply about the quality level: are you satisfied with probable information derived from an aerial photo depicting the situation some years ago, or do you want to insert only information you

Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how toincrease OSM awareness.

2010-12-19 Thread Katie Filbert
On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:06 PM, Adam Fritzler m...@zigamorph.net wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Katie Filbert filbe...@gmail.com wrote: I would be willing to try OpenMaps at some point and thank you for creating Yes, it looks great! Another question is what's the difference

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
For *that* particular imagery, yes. My point is that blindly saying that you shouldn't trace from imagery if you haven't visited the place is not a hard rule. There are a lot of circumstances when tracing is actually OK. On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:19 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread john
OK, but there will likely be additional details available from visiting the site in person that you wouldn't be able to detect from an aerial view, plus you would be able to tell if the road had been modified since the aerial photo had been taken. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re:

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Of course. You can see details on signs and on walls on aerial imagery. I'm not saying that nobody should anymore visit a place that has been traced from aerial imagery. But for Australian aerial imagery like Nearmap's which is very recent and of a high resolution, I think that Australians would

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-19 Thread john whelan
Just a comment locally someone did a trace and managed to get one end of the road about 100 meters out and connected at the wrong road junction. Took me a while to sort it out. Cheerio John On 19 December 2010 19:18, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: OK, but there will likely be additional details

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-19 Thread Stephen Hope
Fabio, I cannot sign every edit I've ever done over, because I don't have the rights to do so. I can OK many of them, however, that were based purely on my own work, and not CC-BY-SA sources. There was some talk of a tool being made available that would let me specify which were OK by

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-19 Thread john whelan
I'm probably in the same state. I suspect the only honest thing to do is to request that all my data be removed. It seems a bit extreme but could that be done? Yes I did agree to the ODBL change but that was taking advice from some one who I now realise was bias and I didn't go through the

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-19 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 11:28 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote: I cannot sign every edit I've ever done over, because I don't have the rights to do so. I can OK many of them, however, that were based purely on my own work, and not CC-BY-SA sources. I suspect this is a big issue. Pretty much any

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-19 Thread John Smith
On 20 December 2010 12:53, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Because of the impossibility to be able to distinguish whats what, any user who has ever made a change in this situation will have to have all their edits removed from the system, to avoid any possibility that one edit might

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

2010-12-19 Thread Alan Mintz
I reviewed the subject airport imports in southern CA. I'm surprised that there were only 16 imports in bbox=-122,33,-115,38 given the mentioned 23000 nodes total. Must be other parts of the world that were not well-covered? They are all private facilities, and I tagged them access=private.

Re: [Talk-it] Strade in zone industriali-artigianali

2010-12-19 Thread niubii
Il giorno 18 dicembre 2010 21:49, gvf g...@gvf.ve.it ha scritto: Il giorno sab, 18/12/2010 alle 18.24 +0100, carlo...@teletu.it ha scritto: Ciao a tutti per le strade nelle zone industriali-artigianali (passano agevolmente anche veicoli di grosse dimensioni)è preferibile mapparle come

[Talk-it] Controlliamo le autostrade

2010-12-19 Thread ale_z...@libero.it
Salve lista, in questo periodo di feste si usano molto le autostrade; miglioriamo la loro mappatura registrando parcheggi, aree d'emergenza con colonnine SOS (highway=emergency_bay non ancora ufficiale ma utilissimo), limiti di velocità, tipi di servizi negli autogrill, ecc... Mi permetto anche

Re: [Talk-it] Problemi avvio bulk-upload.py

2010-12-19 Thread alessio
In data sabato 18 dicembre 2010 15:58:14, David Paleino ha scritto: Di non usare lo script :D Possibilità tutt'altro che remota Scherzi a parte, come generi l'input.osm? Tutta la trafila? In due parole: shp-kml-gpx-osm. Software utilizzati: Qgis, GPSVisualizer, JOSM Ciao Alessio

Re: [Talk-it] Problemi avvio bulk-upload.py

2010-12-19 Thread alessio
In data sabato 18 dicembre 2010 17:24:17, iiizio iiizio ha scritto: Tutti i dati già presenti nel db (id0) che carichi devono avere il tag version (con valore uguale a quello presente nel db): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.6#Version_numbers.2FOptimistic_lo cking Bè ma se io non

Re: [Talk-it] Problemi avvio bulk-upload.py

2010-12-19 Thread iiizio iiizio
2010/12/19 alessio klava...@gmail.com: Bè ma se io non ho modificato alcun elemento già presente nel db e il contenuto del file .osm che sto per caricare contiene esclusivamente dati freschi come è possibile che io possa in qualche modo applicare un tag version a questi? Ma soprattutto, per

Re: [Talk-it] Problemi avvio bulk-upload.py

2010-12-19 Thread alessio
In data domenica 19 dicembre 2010 11:30:00, iiizio iiizio ha scritto: Allora perché nel log compare questo: action=modify? Bella domanda! :-) Ciao Alessio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-it] Strade in zone industriali-artigianali

2010-12-19 Thread Fabrizio Carrai
Ne approfitto: Zone industriali == landuse=industrial Zone artigianali == landuse= ??? Sempre 'industrial' ? Il wiki riporta *Zona industriale*, con prevalenza di stabilimenti, officine e depositi Ciao F. Il giorno 19 dicembre 2010 09:02, niubii f.pelu...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il

[Talk-it] La nostra partecipazione al progetto OpenStreetMap.....

2010-12-19 Thread Infoweblan di Roberto Vito Gerardo
Se qualcuno è interessato a sapere in che modo ognuno di noi partecipa alla crescita della mappa OpenStreetMap, il link da cliccare è il seguente: http://hdyc.neis-one.org/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org

[Talk-it] Quartieri di Milano

2010-12-19 Thread Federico Cozzi
Questa è la mappa attuale di Milano al livello di zoom in cui inizia ad apparire il tag place=suburb http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4692lon=9.1874zoom=13layers=M Attualmente su OSM Italia (in particolare a Milano) il tag place=suburb indica i quartieri. Mi ha stupito Ronchetto sul Naviglio

Re: [Talk-at] Plan.at löschen und was passiert mit Relation

2010-12-19 Thread Boris Cornet
Hallo! Du kannst den Plan.at Weg teilen in ein Stück mit nur 2 Nodes und in den Rest. Beim teilen bleiben beide Stücke Teil der Relation. Das Größere löscht du, und das kürzere verlängerst du. LG, Boris Gestern (Sa, 18. Dezember 2010) tippte martin ringer: Ich habe ein Problem. Die Gegend,

Re: [Talk-ko] Road upgrades- how to tag?

2010-12-19 Thread Robert Helvie
If I come across a road that obviously (at least from imagery) has been rerouted/improved, I pretty much do just that. Split out the old section to make it tertiary, delete the ref tag and add the new section to the original road with accompanying tags. I figure eventually that old section of

Re: [talk-ph] RA 10067 Tubbataha Reefs National Park (TRNP) Act of 2009 has coordinates of the park's boundaries

2010-12-19 Thread Rally de Leon
The data (corner-points) given in said Republic Act were in Lat-Long format. My converter is insisting that I specify PRS92 in Northing Easting values (as well as which Philippine-Zone). How were you able to convert prs92 (Lat Long) to WGS84? On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:13 PM, maning sambale

Re: [talk-ph] RA 10067 Tubbataha Reefs National Park (TRNP) Act of 2009 has coordinates of the park's boundaries

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Garcia
I have friend who worked on the PRS92 project several years ago. According to him, there is very little difference between Luzon Datium and PRS92 datum. For our intents and purposes on OSM and waypointsdotph, the difference would be negligible. What I did then to convert data that is coming in

Re: [talk-ph] RA 10067 Tubbataha Reefs National Park (TRNP) Act of 2009 has coordinates of the park's boundaries

2010-12-19 Thread tutubi
you should see the new P1000 bill...there's a map there and points to the reef as located near malaysia :( shame...shame on geographically-challenged people in government -- --- I explore, therefore I blog. http://www.backpackingphilippines.com On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Eugene Alvin

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Dave, Dave F. wrote: I'm just catching up with this thread can't believe what I've just read. You bleat whinge ... thanks ... about people talking legal in other threads yet here, in legal, you admit that your advice to others that's it's OK to trace Bing (under any license) has no

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-19 Thread 80n
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 19/12/10 10:30, Andrew Harvey wrote: Where is this direct statement from Microsoft that says derived information from aerial imagery delivered through their map api can be licensed under a CT compatible license?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-19 Thread David Groom
For the record 1) I accept that the Microsoft Licence[1] to use Bing imagery is an early version, and we have been told it will be revised 2) I suspect that Microsoft do intend that Bing imagery may be used to update OSM However: - Original Message - From: Rob Myers

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-19 Thread 80n
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.comwrote: On 19 December 2010 14:40, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: The licence PDF states: Any updates you make to the OpenStreetMap map via the Application (even if not published to third parties) must

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-19 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:32 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, this license makes no grants of rights to publish derived works under any particular license, over and above what was already there. That's probably a combination of the fact that Microsoft doesn't own that right in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Termsof Use?

2010-12-19 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Termsof Use? On 19 December 2010

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-19 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use? On 12/19/2010 02:40 PM, David Groom wrote: For the record 1) I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Termsof Use?

2010-12-19 Thread Grant Slater
On 19 December 2010 16:53, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: Have you read? Microsoft mention a whole lot more than what link to http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2010/12/01/bing-maps-aerial-imagery-in-openstreetmap.aspx Try the google cache version:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Termsof Use?

2010-12-19 Thread 80n
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.comwrote: Download the license from the OpenGeoData post, it is called Bing Maps Imagery Editor API License FINAL.pdf That's quite curious. Several non-Microsoft sources have indicated that the license will be subject to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing TermsofUse?

2010-12-19 Thread Simon Poole
Because your statement is simply wrong in the generality you made it. For example in Germany simple Lichtbilder (which would include areial photographs) have the same protection as photographic works of art (Lichtbildwerke) with the exception of the proctection term. And there is at least

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing TermsofUse?

2010-12-19 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Because your statement is simply wrong in the generality you made it. Then show why I'm wrong, don't say that I may be right in some jurisdictions and you aren't sure if I'm right in others. For example in Germany simple

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the BingTermsofUse?

2010-12-19 Thread Simon Poole
Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote None of that even shows that German courts use the term derivative work, let alone define tracings of aerial photographs to be under the definition of that term. It's extremly unlikely that a German court would use English :-). But in the specific case they did

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the BingTermsofUse?

2010-12-19 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote None of that even shows that German courts use the term derivative work, let alone define tracings of aerial photographs to be under the definition of that term. It's extremly unlikely that a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the BingTermsofUse?

2010-12-19 Thread Rob Myers
On 19/12/10 21:52, Anthony wrote: What is the German equivalent of a 'derived work'? And, if you're saying it's different, then how can you say it's equivalent? Your local copyright law almost certainly mentions adaptation rather than derived work. Your referring to derived work is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the BingTermsofUse?

2010-12-19 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 19/12/10 21:52, Anthony wrote: What is the German equivalent of a 'derived work'?  And, if you're saying it's different, then how can you say it's equivalent? Your local copyright law almost certainly mentions adaptation

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-19 Thread Russ Nelson
Dave F. writes: On 06/12/2010 09:55, Frederik Ramm wrote: The situation is sufficient for me to use Bing imagery for tracing. I'm not looking at the legal side of it, I'm just looking at the size of the PR disaster should Microsoft attempt to backtrack in any way. PR is more

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] install party bij Gert

2010-12-19 Thread Frank Steggink
Sterkte aan iedereen die toch van plan is te komen. Ooh in Utrecht is het witgehalte hoog. Ik denk dat er wel 10 cm gevallen is. //me heeft geen spijt dat hij besloten heeft een OSM-eventje aan zich voorbij te laten gaan.../ Frank On 10-12-19 08:46 AM, Robert Elsenaar wrote: Dit nummer is

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] install party bij Gert

2010-12-19 Thread Peter
Ben onderweg, rij nu door Almere Poort richting Weesp. Vanaf daar Adam CS en dan... Op 19 dec 2010 09:07 schreef Frank Steggink stegg...@steggink.org: Sterkte aan iedereen die toch van plan is te komen. Ooh in Utrecht is het witgehalte hoog. Ik denk dat er wel 10 cm gevallen is. //me heeft geen

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] install party bij Gert

2010-12-19 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Allen toch welkom. Hier in het westen ligt flink wat sneeuw maar de snelweg is heel goed bereidbaar. De koffie staat al warm. Let even op dat je hier in rotterdam over de hong-kong straat aanrijdt\ over de metalen platen (die nu wit zijn) en achterom het pand rijdt. Gert Gremmen

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] install party bij Gert

2010-12-19 Thread Martijn van Exel
Ik vertrek met Steven uit Amsterdam om 11:10. Gert, als je gelegenheid hebt om ons op te halen vanaf Schiedam, dan graag. Anders nemen we een taxi. Ik bel je wel als we in de burt zijn. Tot straks! Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl |

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] install party bij Gert

2010-12-19 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
doe ik…je hebt mijn nummer ! Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl www.cetest.nl Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953 P Before printing, think about the environment. Van:

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] install party bij Gert

2010-12-19 Thread Peter
Ik sta nu op Rdam CS, wat is vanaf hier het beste? Op 19 dec 2010 09:56 schreef ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl: doe ik…je hebt mijn nummer ! Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen [image: ce-test v2 680] *g.grem...@cetest.nl* *www.cetest.nl* *Kiotoweg 363***

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] install party bij Gert

2010-12-19 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010, Peter wrote: Ik sta nu op Rdam CS, wat is vanaf hier het beste? Ik denk dat je dan het beste naar Schiedam CS kan gaan. Stefan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] install party bij Gert

2010-12-19 Thread Peter
Daar sta ik nu :) Op 19 dec 2010 12:14 schreef Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010, Peter wrote: Ik sta nu op Rdam CS, wat is vanaf hier het beste? Ik denk dat je dan het beste naar Schiedam CS kan gaan. Stefan ___ Talk-nl

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] install party bij Gert

2010-12-19 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010, Peter wrote: Daar sta ik nu :) Doe je snel ;) Op basis van de door u ingevulde gegevens kan geen advies met openbaar vervoer worden gegeven. Klinkt als: Gert bellen :P ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] install party bij Gert

2010-12-19 Thread Peter Peterse
Hallo Stefan, waar ben je? We zitten hier al op je te wachten. Gr. Peter On 19-12-2010 12:21, Stefan de Konink wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010, Peter wrote: Daar sta ik nu :) Doe je snel ;) Op basis van de door u ingevulde gegevens kan geen advies met openbaar vervoer worden gegeven.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] install party bij Gert

2010-12-19 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 19-12-10 13:35, Peter Peterse schreef: waar ben je? We zitten hier al op je te wachten. Zie mailtje gisteravond if Veolia... daar stopte het vanmorgen al. Maar ik zit gezellig op ons warme IRC kanaal. Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] install party bij Gert

2010-12-19 Thread Peter Peterse
Jammer. Volgende keer beter. Groeten van ons allen. On 19-12-2010 13:46, Stefan de Konink wrote: Op 19-12-10 13:35, Peter Peterse schreef: waar ben je? We zitten hier al op je te wachten. Zie mailtje gisteravond if Veolia... daar stopte het vanmorgen al. Maar ik zit gezellig op ons warme

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] install party bij Gert

2010-12-19 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Gerts serverhackfeest: (de erwtenzoephack-a-thon) Hoewel de opkomst door de intensieve sneeuw en glibberpartijen over ongezouten wegen wat tegenviel (6 man) , hebben we toch een goed resultaat geboekt: wat random feiten: -enkele fouten uit Martijns handleiding gehaald -het lijkt erop dat we ook

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] install party bij Gert

2010-12-19 Thread Peter Peterse
Hallo Gert, nogmaals bedankt voor de gast vrijheid. Inmiddels heb ik een oudere versie van osm2pgsql gecompileerd. Versie 20775 is de voorlaatste voor het toevoegen van autoconf. Hier had ik wat problemen mee. Het commando om deze versie op te halen is: svn export -r 20775

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] install party bij Gert

2010-12-19 Thread Martijn van Exel
Gert, Bedankt voor je gulle gastvrijheid, ik vond het een erg gezellige middag. Ik kijk uit naar een volgende editie. Misschien wel bij Geodan in Amsterdam (makkelijk bereikbaar per O.V.). Lijkt me leuk! Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl

Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin

2010-12-19 Thread John Smith
On the bright side at least there is now an end point and some kind of finality which many including myself have spent at least the last 6 months asking for, the whole license change over has been one debacle after another and I doubt it could have been intentionally dealt with in a worst manner

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-12-19 Thread Ben Last
The nearmap.com twitter feed (or Facebook, if you prefer) is your friend... we announce flight starts, flight ends and publication of new surveys. http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-35.082167,147.302565z=21t=hnmd=20101207 Cheers Ben On 18 December 2010 08:49, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:

[talk-au] a local data compilation ruling that may be of interest

2010-12-19 Thread Jim Croft
or not... http://minterstmt.blogspot.com/2010/12/no-copyright-in-white-and-yellow-pages.html jim -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-12-19 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 10:49 +0800, Ben Last wrote: The nearmap.com twitter feed (or Facebook, if you prefer) is your friend... we announce flight starts, flight ends and publication of new surveys. It appears you missed the URL: http://twitter.com/NearMap This URL also works as an RSS feed.

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-12-19 Thread Ben Last
Deducing the URL was left as an exercise :) You might also like to know that we try and hashtag the updates with the areas that are affected by surveys and flights, if you don't want to have to read them all. b On 20 December 2010 11:11, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Mon,

Re: [Talk-br] Censo 2010

2010-12-19 Thread Claudomiro Nascimento Junior
Nas cidades que tiverem coordenadas importadas do IBGE, esse código foi inserido na tag IBGE:GEOCODIGO http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/368180157 Pode ser meio pedante, mas talvez seja o caso de subtrair a população rural do município para achar o número a ser colocado na cidade sede

Re: [Talk-br] Mais uma reversão...

2010-12-19 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Posso fazer as reversões. É para reverter /todos/ os changesets? []s Em 19 de dezembro de 2010 12:43, vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com escreveu: Oi Pessoal, Existe um usuário novo que cometeu um erro e estava usando dados com copyright para fazer suas edições:

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel ohne Datenverlust + bessere Versionskontrolle + Qualitaet durch Sichtung

2010-12-19 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2010-12-19 02:01, Heiko Jacobs wrote: Dazu zitiere ich mal einen Spruch: Laien bauten die Arche, Experten die Titanic. Und die restlichen Tausenden von Schiffen schwimmen auch nur mit Gottes Hilfe? Genauso wie alle Flugzeuge, Züge, ...? Ich kenne jetzt nicht alle Einzelheiten des

Re: [Talk-de] GPS-Genauigkeit prüfen - Referenzpunkt

2010-12-19 Thread Thomas Blumrich
Hallo Mapper, so wie ich es sehe ist es sehr zeitaufwendig einen echten super genauen Referenzpunkt selber zu bestimmen. Bei einem größeren Gebiet bräuchte man dann noch einige von diesen Punkten. Das scheint mir nicht praktikabel. Ich versuche die Genauigkeit der OSM-Daten ebenfalls durch

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel ohne Datenverlust + bessere Versionskontrolle + Qualitaet durch Sichtung

2010-12-19 Thread Rainer Kluge
Am 19.12.2010 02:01, schrieb Heiko Jacobs: Laien bauten die Arche, Experten die Titanic. Super Spruch! Das ist so, als würde ich Hänsel und Gretels Brotkrumenmethode mit der TracBack-Funktion meines GPS-Geräts vergleichen und daraus Rückschlüsse auf die Kompetenz der Garmin-Ingenieure

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel ohne Datenverlust + bessere Versionskontrolle + Qualitaet durch Sichtung

2010-12-19 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 19.12.2010 00:54, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, Ulf Lamping wrote: Das diese Haltung in einem Projekt, daß sich offene Daten auf die Fahnen geschrieben hat ziemlich seltsam ist, ist dir hoffentlich klar. Ich finde nicht, dass offene Daten und demokratische Abstimmungen miteinander

[Talk-de] Integer-Ueberlauf von IDs - Wann zu erwarten?

2010-12-19 Thread Carsten Moeller
Hallo Tekkis! Obwohl intern ja bereits auf LONG-Integer umgestellt wurde, würde mich trotzdem mal interessieren, wie groß die derzeit höchste Node-ID ist und wann mit einem Integer-Ueberlauf zu rechnen ist. Ferner interessiert mich auch die Geschwindigkeit, mit der diese IDs wachsen. 1 Gig

Re: [Talk-de] Integer-Ueberlauf von IDs - Wann zu erwarten?

2010-12-19 Thread Jochen Topf
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:38:05AM +0100, Carsten Moeller wrote: Obwohl intern ja bereits auf LONG-Integer umgestellt wurde, würde mich trotzdem mal interessieren, wie groß die derzeit höchste Node-ID ist und wann mit einem Integer-Ueberlauf zu rechnen ist. Höchste NodeId ist etwas über 1

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel ohne Datenverlust + bessere Versionskontrolle + Qualitaet durch Sichtung

2010-12-19 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2010-12-17 23:53, Volker wrote: Die Datenbank ist in Mitteleuropa jetzt schon so gut, dass ein potentieller Interessent sagen kann, danke Ihr nützlichen Deppen, den Rest schaffen meine bezahlten Mitarbeiter jetzt auch allein. Aber das letzte planet file haben wir dann hoffentlich noch

Re: [Talk-de] Integer-Ueberlauf von IDs - Wann zu erwarten?

2010-12-19 Thread Robert S.
2010/12/19 Carsten Moeller cmindivid...@gmx.de Hallo Tekkis! Obwohl intern ja bereits auf LONG-Integer umgestellt wurde, würde mich trotzdem mal interessieren, wie groß die derzeit höchste Node-ID ist und wann mit einem Integer-Ueberlauf zu rechnen ist. Aktuell sind wir zwischen

Re: [Talk-de] GPS-Genauigkeit prüfen - Referenzpunkt

2010-12-19 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2010-12-19 09:04, Thomas Blumrich wrote: Ein selbst geschriebenes Perl-Skript macht mir dabei die Arbeit: - meine iBlue 747 GPS Mouse liefert eine Komma getrennte Liste *.csv aller Tracksponkte (keine einzelne Tracks sondern ein Supertrack) - ungültige Punkte löschen - Zerlegen des

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel ohne Datenverlust + bessere Versionskontrolle + Qualitaet durch Sichtung

2010-12-19 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 19.12.2010 00:22, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Nachdenken kann man darueber, aber dann kommt man eigentlich recht schnell zu dem, was ich oben schrieb. Ausserdem sollte man immer bedenken, dass solche Gedankenspiele, unueberlegt ausgedrueckt, so rueberkommen koennen, als ob man den 7 amtierenden

Re: [Talk-de] Integer-Ueberlauf von IDs - Wann zu erwarten?

2010-12-19 Thread Steffen Wolf
Hi Carsten Moeller, Obwohl intern ja bereits auf LONG-Integer umgestellt wurde, würde mich trotzdem mal interessieren, wie groß die derzeit höchste Node-ID ist und wann mit einem Integer-Ueberlauf zu rechnen ist. Ich kenne zwar keinen einfachen Weg, aber du kannst ja spasseshalber mal aus

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel ohne Datenverlust + bessere Versionskontrolle + Qualitaet durch Sichtung

2010-12-19 Thread Markus
Hallo Frederik, Danke für Deine klaren Worte zur Integrität der OSMF. Ich glaube auch, dass die Menschen im Vorstand nur Gutes wollen. Deren Arbeit ist keine einfache - und ich bin dankbar dass sie sie freiwillig leisten. Wir haben es im Moment mit einem unprofessionell gemanagten

Re: [Talk-de] Tag zum Schutz vor Lizenz-Datenverlust

2010-12-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 18. Dezember 2010 01:16 schrieb Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Natürlich ensteht Schaden, zumindest wenn etwa von Luftbildern abgezeichnet wird, weil dann darf man nicht einfach die Tags kopieren. Das ist was andres. Tirkon hatte von einem Fall gesprochen, bei dem er ohnehin jede

Re: [Talk-de] Integer-Ueberlauf von IDs - Wann zu erwarten?

2010-12-19 Thread Jochen Topf
Die Mailingliste hat mein Attachment verschluckt. Habs mal in mein Blog getan: http://blog.jochentopf.com/2010-12-19-osm-node-ids.html Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ Talk-de mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel ohne Datenverlust + bessere Versionskontrolle + Qualitaet durch Sichtung

2010-12-19 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2010-12-19 01:49, Heiko Jacobs wrote: Einerseits widerstrebt es mir zutiefst, dass meine Arbeit weggeworfen würde. Andererseits steht auf dem Button akzeptieren und unakzeptables akzeptiere ich ungerne. Außerdem ist noch zu beachten, dass viel von meiner Arbeit auf nodes und tags anderer

Re: [Talk-de] Tagging von Kommunen: place vs multipolygon

2010-12-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 12. Dezember 2010 19:14 schrieb Tirkon tirko...@yahoo.de: Z.B. hier findet man die Namen der Ortsteile Moordorf und Victorbur doppelt, einmal durch die Grenze und einmal durch den Wohnplatz initiiert: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.4805lon=7.3867zoom=14layers=M halte ich (wie

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel ohne Datenverlust + bessere Versionskontrolle + Qualitaet durch Sichtung

2010-12-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Ulf Lamping wrote: Frage: Macht die Mitgliedschaft in der OSMF automatisch jemand zu jemandem, der Ahnung von Lizenzen hat? Antwort: Nein. Warum wurde dann in der OSMF zum Thema Lizenzwechsel abgestimmt? Ich denke mal, dass der Vorstand eine so wichtige Sache nicht allein

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel ohne Datenverlust + bessere Versionskontrolle + Qualitaet durch Sichtung

2010-12-19 Thread Markus
Hallo Frederik, dieses Beispiel zeigt schön wie komplex das Thema ist, und dass immer der Kontext beachtet werden muss: Ich finde es gut, das andere mit der Arbeit, die ich in OSM stecke, Geld verdienen koennen, ohne davon etwas zurueckzugeben. [ ] ja / [ ] nein / [ ] egal Diese Frage

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