Re: [OSM-talk] When two bots go to war

On 15/09/2023 10:43, Paul Norman wrote: They have edited it back with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/141281494. I've left a changeset discussion comment asking why, and asking for a link to the required documentation and consultation. Maybe I'm being over-cynical, but I suspect that

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bulk removal of service=driveway2

On 25/06/2023 00:02, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: And indeed, nine months later, we see that not only has the work not gotten done, but while we all squabbled away with our pet views about automated editing, we find that we agreed to nothing, and the mapper has quietly continued to add this nons

Re: [OSM-talk] mapilio? (street-level imagery)

On 24/05/2023 13:31, Greg Troxel wrote: I just got spam from mapilio, implying that I was a "Mapilio contributor". This was, to my memory, the first I had heard of them. Apparently, I am part of the "Mapilio Volunteer Community" according to a message I received at about the same time. Th

Re: [OSM-talk] bot proposal: shop values cleanup (low use values only, 1 used 250 times, three over 100 times, many used less)

On 24/04/2023 16:57, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: Apr 22, 2023, 14:10 by ajt1...@gmail.com: More generally, anyone with half a brain consuming OSM shop data (or actually, _any_ external data from _anywhere_) will look at the values contained in it***. And that is exactly what

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

On 28/04/2023 22:50, Allan Mustard wrote: Rather than criticize the CWG for using Google because certain people are restricted by their governments from using Google services, it would be more useful to suggest alternatives that might work in those countries. Mikel already mentioned that OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

On 28/04/2023 15:47, Sören Reinecke wrote: So please stop complaining about when someone does not share your ideologic attitude. And wanting to use OSS only is a ideology. In this case, it's not just my view, it's the view of the OSMF board: https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Commitment_to_O

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

On 28/04/2023 14:57, Marc_marc wrote: part of the active opendata community does not wish to ally a closeddata based enterprise It's actually worse than that. OpenStreetMap has mappers all around the world.  Some of those places don't have the virtually unrestricted Internet access that peopl

Re: [OSM-talk] bot proposal: shop values cleanup (low use values only, 1 used 250 times, three over 100 times, many used less)

On 21/04/2023 12:46, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: when you search for tea shop and it was marked as shop=herbata ("herbata" is Polish for tea) then even a well written search tool will fail to reliably find it. Where something is an _absolute direct equivalent_ (but in another language)

Re: [OSM-talk] bot proposal: shop values cleanup (low use values only, 1 used 250 times, three over 100 times, many used less)

On 22/04/2023 08:38, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: Wiki should not be mindlessly obeyed but it at least tends to be right. [citation needed] The OSM wiki tends to be many things, among those "somewhat helpful" and "usually edited in good faith"; but "tends to be right" is very much a st

Re: [OSM-talk] bot proposal: shop values cleanup (low use values only, 1 used 250 times, three over 100 times, many used less)

On 21/04/2023 12:17, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: It helps because maintaining lists of many many many rarely used meaningless values in every single QA tool and validator and tool doing this is annoying at best. For the avoidance of doubt we are NOT talking about meaningless values her

Re: [OSM-talk] bot proposal: shop values cleanup (low use values only, 1 used 250 times, three over 100 times, many used less)

On 20/04/2023 19:50, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: For start I want to propose to people to review shop tags in their area with undocumented shop values or ones documented as problematic. See http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1u2o Reviewing "odd" tags before tagfiddling them away seems to me a v

Re: [OSM-talk] Help with reverting a changeset (somebody deleted weeks and weeks of work)

On 09/04/2023 12:55, Bjoern Hassler wrote: Hello everybody! I hope you're having a good weekend. I'm looking for help with reverting a changeset https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/54488428?way_page=6#map=14/51.5273/-0.1224. (Kings Cross, London) The changeset is labeled "Large correcti

Re: [OSM-talk] wheelmap.org batch updates

On 07/04/2023 13:13, Marc_marc wrote: Le 07.04.23 à 12:26, a...@onthewings.net a écrit : it would be great if board/DWG can communicate this with wheelmap.org. I don't think I can represent osm. you don't need to represent the community to make a suggestion and I even think that the board/

Re: [OSM-talk] Dubious websites added to tourist attractions?

On 02/02/2023 17:08, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: Looks like most of these have been cleaned up but there's a couple left: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1qU8 Some of the links are to other websites, e.g. the fishing area https://osm.mapki.com/history/way/148514524 . It might well just be a go

Re: [OSM-talk] Extending the 'geo:' uri scheme: Adding parameter 'osmid'

On 09/01/2023 20:17, Snusmumriken wrote: On Mon, 2023-01-09 at 08:21 -0500, Greg Troxel wrote: You seem unwilling to understand that defining a way to refer to ids will cause social pressure not to change ids, Is there actually evidence that would corroborate this claim? There have definitely

Re: [OSM-talk] Extending the 'geo:' uri scheme: Adding parameter 'osmid'

On 02/01/2023 20:44, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: way/node/relation ids in OSM are unstable, not promised to be stable and anything relying on their stability can break at any point Unfortunately, that sort of "black and white" answer doesn't really answer the question of whether it's usef

Re: [OSM-talk] QA tool for finding nameless highways that are armchair-fixable

On 28/11/2022 13:57, Maarten Deen wrote: What the user wielding the QA tool does with that is his choice. Indeed, but as we've seen in lots of places users sometimes blindly follow "suggestions" without engaging their brains. As an example, Osmose contains very clear information that users s

Re: [OSM-talk] Jhulto Pul/ Morbi bridge

On 12/11/2022 13:51, Andy Mabbett wrote: I'm not in the least precious about how it is tagged, so long as the fact that a structure still bridges the river, but is impassable to pedestrians, is recorded. (and earlier) If I knew how to revert the edit I would do so; I do not. Can someone do t

Re: [OSM-talk] I need your help please

On 19/09/2022 10:38, Fakhreddine Azzouni wrote: Good afternoon, I started using OSM for a tourism project. The idea is make a tour's road map with places from OSM. But some places are not on the map so I added them yesterday. I am using a WordPress Plugin to get locations From OSM. Unfortunatel

Re: [OSM-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

Hi Céline, hi all. Like you, I'm just another participant in this list*.  However, perhaps it would be helpful to refer the existing etiquette guidelines adopted by the OSMF ages ago: https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette .  It's clear that Frederik's original post didn't abide by all

Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

ussion comments that people had left were friendly, which is great - the only thing I'd have done different would have been to have included a French translation, given that the edits are in the DRC. Any other users, please tell the DWG about them. Best Regards, Andy To

Re: [OSM-talk] Bad coastline edits in Sweden

On 21/11/2020 10:42, Andre Hinrichs via talk wrote: Hi! Difficult to find, but here are the changesets where i left comments: 93965382 94097597 94134166 And the links to them: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/93965382 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/94097597 https://www.openstre

Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

On 12/11/2020 13:20, Michał Brzozowski wrote: - the e-mail notifications about changeset comments do not have either a definitive "call to action" nor any explanation what to do (or a link to Wiki page with such) They don't, unless the person writing the changeset comment puts that informat

Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

On 12/11/2020 09:55, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Is it just me or are Maps.me Openstreetmap contributors unaware of Openstreetmap messages ? Does anyone here have seen Maps.me Openstreetmap contributors answer to Openstreetmap messages ? They'll get an email just like every other email user.  Wha

Re: [OSM-talk] SPAM notes in Brazil again

On 27/10/2020 23:50, Erick de Oliveira Leal wrote: Some time ago I reported that several anonymous SPAM notes were being created in Brazil, through the "Report" option available in the note. Someone told me it was not SPAM, so I showed the amount of notes in sequence, so they blocked the IP of

Re: [OSM-talk] Can you recommend good introduction to JOSM for 100% osm newbie?

On 05/10/2020 08:57, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 5. Oct 2020, at 00:58, Michael Booth wrote: Not sure I'd recommend JOSM for a 100% OSM newbie unless there was a specific reason or feature required when editing. I would, because they will have to learn from scratch anyw

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging an abandoned path?

On 25/09/2020 17:43, Dave F via talk wrote: Nick's description is "overgrown, unclear, prone to flooding" These are all subjective interpretations. There are many official PROW's in those conditions. (for the benefit of people outside of England and Wales a "public right of way" is a special

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging an abandoned path?

On 25/09/2020 16:04, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Hi, Wondering if there was a consensus on tagging an abandoned, no longer very usable path (e.g. a path which has become overgrown or is unclear and prone to flooding in wetter periods). Something like "path=abandoned"? My 2p: Perhaps use "trail_

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

On 11/09/2020 15:17, Mike Thompson wrote: I will thank Ron for the change and try to start a dialog with our DWG about AllTrails asking their users to contact the DWG directly with map errors. Yes - that'd be great. The wider issues in addition to their support process are that (1) lots o

Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

> How/where was the notes addition proposed and implemented? If I remember correctly, it was done as a "Google Summer of Code" project - effectively a sponsorship deal.  However, that project requires a clone of the OSM website, which is a much harder job than merely doing something with OSM d

[OSM-talk] Default access rights (was: Re: Use of OSM data without attribution)

On 22/08/2020 08:56, Simon Poole wrote: To add to what Andy has already said, complaints about people using private paths etc are relatively common, not a large number in absolute terms, but there tend to be a couple each month which either land with the DWG, or LWG, or naturally with the local c

Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

On 22/08/2020 10:32, Andrew Harvey wrote: Nothing is stopping such a system being built at the moment as a 3rd party service, just needs someone motivated enough to build and support it. Yes - exactly that. Until such time as someone writes a "mailing list post to software translator"* it

[OSM-talk] Let's think about how we use mailing lists (was: Re: Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !))

On 22/08/2020 09:12, pangoSE wrote: Here is yet another example of bad data in our database: (to "pangoSE", via the list): Sometimes it helps to think about how we react to things in the spur of the moment.  Martijn's anecdote was about something that he mapped 9 years ago that was _correct

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

On 20/08/2020 14:43, Mike Thompson wrote: From Ron's quick and positive response to the attribution issue I am guessing he might be open to having a discussion about these other issues. Once the attribution issue is actually fixed, should I send him a note along those lines? Would you (Andy) b

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

On 19/08/2020 22:44, Clifford Snow wrote: ...  Instead of suggesting their users edit OSM, they instead instruct them to email d...@openstreetmap.org , Indeed, and by the time they get to us they are usually "rabbits of negative euphoria"* because of the less t

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

On 04/08/2020 11:19, pangoSE wrote: I would recommend you to use another way to archive this. Open OsmAnd on your phone and add a POI directly. You can add tags too if you remember them. Then upload directly to OSM. No JOSM or GPX file handling neccesary. I use Vespucci for exactly that (no, I

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

On 02/08/2020 22:52, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 2. Aug 2020, at 17:09, Andy Townsend wrote: GPX track waypoint handling is the biggest missing piece of functionality for me, so you can start with that one if you wish I guess this is about not handling symbols

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

On 02/08/2020 15:41, Sören Reinecke via talk wrote: Also Linux is the future. Every application that cannot run under Linux will fail in the long run. Remember that Windows shouldn't be the main target platform anymore because it is dying and the society is to blame that they don't get it. T

[OSM-talk] "helpful" remote correctional edits (or "please don't correct bank ATMs in the Sahara desert" - was: Re: Planned revert of added surface and tracktype tags without local knowledge in variou

On 19/07/2020 12:10, Hauke Stieler wrote: Those bad armchair-tags, which are mostly wrong, are as good as random values [0]: Those tags are completely useless. Removing those obviously wrong tags is a good idea IMHO. Hello, I'm writing this here because although it's not the same issue as "re

Re: [OSM-talk] Planned revert of added surface and tracktype tags without local knowledge in various countries

On 18/07/2020 20:51, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: It's perfectly reasonable to add surface=unpaved or similar based on aerial imagery alone, if you have some experience in distinguishing different surfaces of roads and tracks from aerial imagery. I'd agree that most of the time telling "surface=unp

Re: [OSM-talk] Planned revert of added surface and tracktype tags without local knowledge in various countries

On 18/07/2020 17:51, Florimond Berthoux wrote: If the estimation was really bad almost all the time why not, but here the example given is ok. How do you know - have you visited that area and done a ground survey? Best Regards, Andy ___ talk m

Re: [OSM-talk] Planned revert of added surface and tracktype tags without local knowledge in various countries

On 18/07/2020 11:53, Michael Reichert wrote: I do not believe that one can add reliable tracktype=* information from satellite imagery without having some ground truth knowledge in order to know how to interpret the imagery in that region. I think that "without having some ground truth knowledg

Re: [OSM-talk] Building a tile-server

On 03/07/2020 18:56, Tom Browder wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 15:18 Tom Browder wrote: ... Okay, I'm making progress, thanks to you all. First, lesson learned (as suggested by all): I used Antarctica pbm as a test bed for import which showed an immediate problem with osm2pgsql. Thanks to Sara

Re: [OSM-talk] our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying

On 20/05/2020 22:43, Lester Caine wrote: On 20/05/2020 20:32, Frederik Ramm wrote: Not copying past answers, at least the last two years or so, would mean we'd have to write all these answers again because the questions will inevitably be asked. I'm with you on that ... I've seen far too much

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] VANDALISM !

> If efforts to resolve the issue through discussion are unsuccessful perhaps this is an issue for the Data Working Group (DWG)?If this is where I think it is, I believe that I'm already offering advice to a complaint from one side of this dispute.  I think that what happened was that 10 years ago

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM nicknames are Unicode characters? (not Ascii?)

On 28/05/2020 17:29, mbranco2 wrote: 𝖒𝖆𝖘𝖙𝖗𝖔  has all to do with mastro, because it's the surname of a student in an Italian high school where I'm teaching  OSM  :-) It sounds like he's learnt something really useful about the computer representation of written characters! Best Regards, Andy

Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

On 22/05/2020 23:37, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: May 22, 2020, 16:58 by ajt1...@gmail.com: No-one has left any changeset discussion comments: In part because bothering someone who is victim of poorly organized group editing is unlikely to work well. It depends on how engaged they

Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

On 22/05/2020 16:10, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 5/22/20 4:58 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: On 22/05/2020 14:45, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 5/22/20 1:23 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: the "mspray" accounts were blocked in July 2019 for problematic edits and failing to document prop

Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

On 22/05/2020 14:45, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 5/22/20 1:23 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: the "mspray" accounts were blocked in July 2019 for problematic edits and failing to document properly The "problematic edits" part is still current - this changeset of mine for example is mostly about dele

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM: Java issue & font size

On 04/05/2020 12:00, Andy Mabbett wrote: I recently upgraded Java on my Windows 10 laptop, to the latest version. Unfortunately, there are several possible "latest versions" - which one do you have installed and what version is it? To give an example on Windows 10 here I have (installed via ch

Re: [OSM-talk] Tile server access

On 17/04/2020 13:53, Tom Browder wrote: I am trying to build my own tile server because I have given up on Google Maps and need a replacement. I am getting help on the Github account of @Overv and repo 'openstreetmap-tile-server'. I would like to offer access to my server to others when I get

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

On 20/03/2020 19:00, Mikel Maron wrote:   But this thread is from Facebook trying to change that. To side step imports. No they're not. It's a couple sections in a blog post that is being wildly misinterpreted. It's perhaps worth remembering how we got here: https://news.ycombinator.com/ite

Re: [OSM-talk] healthsites.io breaks OSM data, do not use

On 21/03/2020 16:44, Mikel Maron wrote: Yikes. Good catch and agreed. Can anyone track the extent of the damage, and prepare to restore the thrown away tags, while keeping the good new data? 28 so far may need looking at: https://osmcha.org/?filters=%7B%22editor%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%22H

Re: [OSM-talk] fixme=name

On 12/03/2020 13:09, john whelan wrote: I'm seeing a fair number of settlements with this fixme tagged on them and I'm not sure what the logic is. There are 39k "fixme=name" worldwide.  I suspect usage varies greatly worldwide; it would be useful to know which ones you're looking at. The nea

Re: [OSM-talk] MapRoulette - cryptic tasks

On 26/02/2020 15:00, Martijn van Exel wrote: You can see the newest created challenges using https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges?sort=created, there is also an API call you can use. Drop me a line if you want some more guidance. Thanks.  What does that API do? Best Regards, Andy __

Re: [OSM-talk] MapRoulette - cryptic tasks

On 26/02/2020 11:57, Frederik Ramm wrote: a user started adding "trace_zoom" and "trace_zoom:range" tags to objects in OSM, and closer inspection led to this MapRoulette task: https://maproulette.org/challenge/12836/task/42414493 In this particular example the person creating the task instruct

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated" - fake building for several shops inside one building

On 05/02/2020 20:06, marc marc wrote: nice to highlight the issue. but why not fixing it ? part of the reason for that was described a decade ago by Andy Allan: https://blog.gravitystorm.co.uk/2009/11/10/the-pottery-club/ That was talking about imports, but "poor commercial mapping in the hop

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

On 05/02/2020 17:15, Dave F via talk wrote: On 05/02/2020 15:45, Mario Frasca wrote: hi all,  I am in no position to take care of the amount of instances of this practice, and fix them You shouldn't be expected to. Contributors who make errors should fix them. Agreed.  I've forwarded the

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

On 05/02/2020 15:45, Mario Frasca wrote: ... but apparently when an activity is closed, it's too late to ask them to review. I don't think that that's a reasonable approach for any OSM mapper to take (whether they're working for a company or not).  I also don't think that's a typical reactio

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #497 2020-01-21-2020-01-27

On 02/02/2020 16:39, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: * Anyone working on an evolving project like OpenMapTiles would attest that the import schema constantly changes. Indeed, but ... Every time schema changes, one needs to download newest planet, import it based on the new schema, and run diffs from

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #497 2020-01-21-2020-01-27

> For those who download OSM data regularly, there is now a simple way to reduce the load on the primary OSM servers, while also making download much faster and ensure the data is correct.Apologies if this has been done to death already, but surely if you are downloading the entire planet regularl

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

On 06/12/2019 14:40, Tomek wrote: EN The problem is that the English imperialists want to impose their language on other nations; and do not understand (do not want to understand) how someone writes in a language other than English, is it so difficult to use Google / Yandex / Bing? Taking a

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

On 06/12/2019 15:10, Tomek wrote: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/305640277 W dniu 19-12-06 o 16:08, Tomek pisze: EN Is this change acceptable and can I continue? https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/78060265 Not yet.  Wait what people say in reply. I personally am not a fan of using

Re: [OSM-talk] Metropolitan France : what todo with all "supossed to be wrong" name:xx ?

On 19/11/2019 16:03, marc marc wrote: ... but the question arises as to what to do with the other names:xx : If you've got the time and the inclination, you could go through the history of the relation and comment in a changeset of everyone who's added a translation that might be wrong explai

Re: [OSM-talk] Should a deleted user's chainset list be removed?

On 11/10/2019 10:44, Dave F via talk wrote: Hi I was in a conversation with a user who's account has since been deleted. ... When they were, I noticed a few dubious edits that I was planning to double check in case they required reverting/amending. Is there a way to see them? Via the websit

Re: [OSM-talk] MS GitHub? | Re: Tagging Governance

On 12/09/2019 13:32, Valor Naram via talk wrote: Why would Markdown exclude a good number of otherwise capable contributors? Understandable for TeX and maybe Asciidoc (don't know) but for Markdown this cannot be true. If someone's less familiar with something, they're likely to volunteer to c

[OSM-talk] Reports of FB problems to FB rather than to OSM (was: Attribution guideline status update)

On 10/09/2019 17:40, Kathleen Lu via talk wrote: Not that I've heard (I don't think that was ever the case), but 1000s of notes about FB on OSM sounds terrible to me - they would only add noise for mappers who check notes for things to fix, and some editors show notes in the interface. My under

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

On 10/09/2019 01:19, Nuno Caldeira wrote: oh good. strange that we still get email complains about Instagram users of their address being on OSM, when it's not.  so we have Facebook number, mind asking the number so we can call to ask to comply with the attribution? We (the DWG) certainly get

Re: [OSM-talk] bus stops signs in the usa.

On 02/09/2019 21:03, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: if the number is on the sign, and there is no tag for route # is that not the name which will show on the map ? Different maps show different information on bus stops.  As an example, here's how OSM's Transport Map displays two bus stops in N

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

On 26/07/2019 11:54, Mike N wrote: On 7/26/2019 4:34 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: The corporate appropriation of OpenStreetMap I'm not a corporate wonk, but I'll note that in my region, "Amazon Logistics" is effectively solving the Last Mile Mapping problem: how to include driveways into rou

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

On 24/07/2019 22:15, john whelan wrote: Could someone clarify with the BBC to describe the process and emphasize the community aspect of OSM. Yes - you can do that yourself at http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/ , or maybe try the link from https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/artic

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

On 24/07/2019 20:56, John Whelan wrote: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49091093 I note "Martijn van Exel" is quoted. I'm sure if the BBC wanted to do some actual journalism they could ask some OSM contributors in Thailand what their view was (see e.g. https://forum.openstreetmap.org/vi

Re: [OSM-talk] add notes to personal profile

On 17/07/2019 16:40, Martin Trautmann wrote: I recently uploaded some notes from osmand+ to openstreetmap, but did not see them first. I now learned how to activate the notes layer both for openstreetmap and its editor. But I would prefer that notes would be added to my personal profile in orde

Re: [OSM-talk] landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

Usually I'm the one wringing my hands and plaintively saying "won't someone think of the data consumers?". In this case though anyone who's not looking for "natural=water; water=blah" (as well as any other options) really is doing it wrong - people have been using that scheme for years. Best R

Re: [OSM-talk] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?

On 20/06/2019 11:46, Mike N wrote: On 6/20/2019 5:58 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Clearly one of the global mailing lists is missing here;   Forum.openstreetmap.org "talk" probably gets more pairs of eyes on it than the Q&A subforum https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=10 (which is p

Re: [OSM-talk] How to Translate Strings in OSM to other languages

On 31/05/2019 15:14, Shrinivasan T wrote: We need a similar map in Tamil Language. You probably don't need to translate anything.  What you see on one OSM-based map is only a tiny subset of the data in OSM.  Here, for example, is the information stored against one place in that area: https

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

On 27/05/2019 12:08, Jo wrote: And the disease is spreading: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Jnd I'm scared. This needs to be mitigated, but indeed, how? Suggestions about tag improvements by an editor are not a new thing - JOSM has had them for ages.  Occasionally there are examples of people a

Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

On 07/04/2019 23:37, john whelan wrote: > Developing an editor requires making decisions and having opinions on OSM tagging. This in turn means getting it wrong sometimes. ... With something like iD spoon feeding new mappers with suggested presets the impact is much greater if something isn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of osmarender:nameDirection - blatant tagging for the renderer

On 3/23/19 11:46 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Mar 23, 2019, 9:59 AM by si...@poole.ch: ...  Producing false updates (aka no real content) just obscures that fact and makes it more difficult to determine which areas need to be revisted. It seems to me as not a real problem. There

Re: [OSM-talk] Windows, end users and OpenStreetMap suggestions please

If you're looking for something offline, then one of the Garmin options might work.  Whilst they're primarily designed to complement Garmin devices (handholds, satnavs, etc.) you could just use them standalone, load OSM data in and just search for stuff.There are plenty of Garmin /GPS forums on th

Re: [OSM-talk] HTTPS all the Things (Automated Edit)

On 26/02/2019 14:29, Bryce Jasmer wrote: In that situation, the admin wouldn’t redirect all of their traffic to their test site with a potentially broken cert. I've seen exactly that happen a number of times... Best Regards, Andy ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] HTTPS all the Things (Automated Edit)

On 26/02/2019 12:34, Bryce Jasmer wrote: Correct. No change will be made on anything other than the most straightforward of redirects. So even http://example.com -> https://example.com/home.aspx will be ignored. What about certificate checking? Suppose someone primarily uses http:// for acce

Re: [OSM-talk] Bot edits on the OSM wiki

On 25/02/2019 09:37, Christoph Hormann wrote: ... There are several ethical concerns that motivate me here - the one that is easiest to understand is probably that allowing bots would create a two class system within the OSM community on the wiki - those who are able to develop and run bots woul

Re: [OSM-talk] Language used in OSM forum/wiki/mailing list

On 21/12/2018 13:55, Stephan Knauss wrote: You should be ashamed to criticize ... on that specific note I don't think that people should _ever_ be ashamed to point out something that's "not quite right" or where the perception is wrong.  We can only work together if we communicate with each

Re: [OSM-talk] Language used in OSM forum/wiki/mailing list

On 21/12/2018 10:36, Naveen Francis wrote: It would better to have common guidelines forum/wiki/talk. Different language communities have different ways of communication.  Some langauges are quite direct, yet to be direct like that in other languages would be extremely rude   Even within th

Re: [OSM-talk] UJEM (Unidentified JOSM Error Message)

On 18/12/2018 16:25, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 12:12 PM Volker Schmidt wrote: "Error retrieving Cluster(s) Would you like to suppress further notifications" This string does not seem to be present in JOSM or any of its plugins. It's not an operating system error s

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

On 13/12/2018 10:40, Tomas Straupis wrote: What is "ground" in this term for non physical objects: 1. Physical place which could have some traces of an actual object. 2. Ground where non-physical objects actually live - documents. The whole point of the "verifiability" and "ground tr

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Candidate's views? Re: Board decision on Crimea complaint

On 11/12/2018 13:45, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: [...] The decision of the DWG was absolutely correct according to the rules that OSM imposed on itself. I think the board here is opening Pandora's box. It will certainly be interesting to see how all the controversial areas will be judged from

[OSM-talk] What is OSM for? (was: Re: Ground truth for non-physical objects)

On 12/12/2018 13:05, Tomas Straupis wrote: ... I do not imagine how would it be possible to capture all that "on the ground" without an army of mappers devoted specifically to this very boring and uninteresting but useful class - addresses. If you're looking for a project that essentially mirro

Re: [OSM-talk] Board decision on Crimea complaint

ria ("The UN", the CIA's "World Factbook", or anything else) for boundaries isn't going to work - there are simply too many edge cases.  Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AivEQmfPpk if you haven't already seen it for some of the gory detail. Best Regards

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF makes a political decision where should be a technical solution?

cognised that Russia now controls Crimea.  By all means lobby the developers of maps based on OSM data about how they show particular countries to particular audiences, and ensure that (where verifiable) data is contained within OSM to allow those maps to be made, but please don't say th

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF makes a political decision where should be a technical solution?

On 23/11/2018 16:36, Tomas Straupis wrote: 2018-11-23, pn, 18:23 Andy Townsend rašė: Yuri, I suspect that literally every statement that the DWG has made throughout this process has said exactly the opposite of what you've just suggested that we said. You're saying DWG position

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF makes a political decision where should be a technical solution?

On 23/11/2018 15:34, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: I suspect the "default" is what the community took the main issue with. DWG essentially declaring that there must be a single truth for non-overlapping country borders is what seems to have caused all this. Simply saying that every country can defi

Re: [OSM-talk] admin_level=2 overlaps

On 21/11/2018 14:48, Ilya Zverev wrote: After I sent the message, I’ve read in the wiki about this part of Serbian-Croatian border: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=11/45.7313/18.9257 Also apparently part of the border of the Netherlands https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=64

[OSM-talk] admin_level=2 overlaps (was: Re: OSMF silently sides with Russia?)

On 21/11/2018 13:47, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Wednesday 21 November 2018, Ilya Zverev wrote: [...] To conclude, if we remove Kafia Kingi from the South Sudan relation, there will be no notable violations to the 2013 agreement on our map — though only by means of having one country overlap an

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF silently sides with Russia?

On 20/11/2018 19:43, Tomas Straupis wrote: Do you know a country which has a fluctuating representation of its borders say in schoolbooks? In my lifetime, lots - countries (and I don't mean where boundaries changed, but the external recogition of them did).  For example, the US only recog

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF silently sides with Russia?

On 20/11/2018 13:09, Tomas Straupis wrote: Can you give an example where things in OpenStreetMap are mapped in a different way than overwhelming majority of world thinks? If "the UN" counts for "the overwhelming majority of the world", there are quite a few examples. The UN recognises terr

Re: [OSM-talk] 3rd party API integration

On 18/11/2018 18:23, Sebastian Kürten wrote: Interesting point. Do you have an example for something misspelled that returns interesting result on search engines? No, because normally if I see something mispelt in OSM I'll fix it :) Best Regards, Andy _

Re: [OSM-talk] 3rd party API integration

I'd imagine there are plenty of examplea that use OSM street name and place information to hang other data or queries off. One example off the top of my head was an application that I was involved with a few years ago tracking police "stop and search" requests in London, but there are plenty of

Re: [OSM-talk] osm2pgsql diff application with filtered OSM data

On 08/11/2018 16:16, Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski wrote: Usually people also clip minutely osc, as per day database grows by a small country otherwise. There's a worked example of that (in a slightly different context) at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:SomeoneElse/Ubuntu_1804_til

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