Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetBugs

2008-06-17 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 05:28:59PM +0200, X wrote: Hello I just made a tiny tool for fun : http://gpsrevolution.blogspot.com/2008/06/openstreetbugs-eng.html That's not a big thing but I found it useful. Feel free to use it. This is lovely. I mentioned it while I was at an OpenStreetMap

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM maps in 3D

2008-07-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 08:27:56AM +0100, elvin ibbotson wrote: Why not use Java instead of Microsoft stuff then it would run on anything. Java doesn’t really run on anything, and we’re only just getting close to a full working free software implementation. For 3D, some framework that sits on

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM maps in 3D

2008-07-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:21:31AM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: Java runs on Windows, Mac, Linux and Solaris and has been full, free and working for years. You're talking free as in beer. Simon was talking free as in freedom. Correct. If I hadn’t managed to get JOSM working on a free (as in

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM maps in 3D

2008-07-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:57:29AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: You're talking free as in beer. Simon was talking free as in freedom. I hope he'll at least be happy once he has a free as in freedom software implementation. Oh, I’ll never be happy :) Seriously, as much as I’d love

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM maps in 3D

2008-07-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:29:40AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're talking free as in beer. Simon was talking free as in freedom. I suppose that being Java open sourced under GPL is free in both meanings, right? There’s nothing in the GPL (or in the four freedoms that it’s based

Re: [OSM-talk] Namefinder priorities

2008-07-26 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 01:33:16PM +0200, Robert Vollmert wrote: An alternative to search=yes that might be more generally useful is to group parts of a street into a relation (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Relation:street) . That would be an object you could point to.

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically Matching Photos to GPS traces in JOSM - EXIF data needed

2009-05-23 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:26:14PM +0300, Niklas Cholmkvist wrote: What EXIF data does JOSM use to position the photo? I managed to add the DateTimeOriginal or Date Taken: field to it, thinking it's the only EXIF field JOSM needs. Is this the only field that JOSM needs to position the photo?

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-04 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 08:25:54PM +0200, Thomas Schäfer wrote: Well we're largely dependent on UCL (and Bytemark to a lesser extent) being able to allocate us IPv6 addresses for our machines. Have you asked ? (this year, not in the Dark Ages) I don’t know about UCL (I imagine as a

Re: [OSM-talk] Undo request button for changesets

2009-07-15 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 03:37:35PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Pieren wrote: It is a technical discussion because everybody can revert changes anyway. True. Everyone can delete all of London anyway. This doesn't mean that we have a button on the web page that says: Delete all of London.

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-28 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 08:11:21AM +1000, Roy Wallace wrote: There are two issues here: 1) what should be tagged and 2) what should it be tagged with. For 1), what should be tagged? Definitely the bridge. For two reasons: firstly, clearance under a bridge is an attribute of the bridge. What

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-28 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 08:01:45AM +0100, Simon Ward wrote: What of bridges that cross multiple ways of different heights? Sorry. I see that this has been commented on elsewhere in the thread. Simon -- A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009-09-03 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 02:08:51PM -0500, Joseph Booker wrote: Sylpheed Claws can reply to list as well and how many people have ever heard of that, let alone use it! Probably very few, since it is called Claws Mail now :) No, you get double the chance of having heard of it! This

Re: [OSM-talk] How to read this list on the web (was: OSM Mailing List Reply To Header)

2009-09-03 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 12:48:32PM +, Ed Avis wrote: If you prefer web interfaces, you can participate in this list via http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap. That is what I am doing now. I’ll add Nabble[1] into the pot. [1]: http://www.nabble.com/OpenStreetMap-f1218.html

[OSM-talk] Which list to post to [was: Instead of voting]

2009-10-11 Thread Simon Ward
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 09:27:58PM +1000, John Smith wrote: LC's have their own mailing list... as for the rest, some of it seems like tagging, some of it is non-mapping about imagery which judging by your standards should be on it's own mailing list etc etc etc Meh. If it’s about

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-05 Thread Simon Ward
On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 02:09:26PM +0100, Shaun McDonald wrote: All units in osm should be the metric value, unless the units have been name spaced. Whenever I enter mph units, I use the tag maxspeed:mph=30 etc as this is the most accurate way of representing the data. This is my method too.

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-08 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 12:38:01AM +0100, Mark Williams wrote: +1 on the namespace; I'm not generally keen on it, but here it makes sense. Either the way mentioned, or maxspeed:en as per name:en for consistency? “en” is a language code, not a country code. Not all English-speaking countries

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-08 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 07:32:36AM +0100, I wrote: On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 12:38:01AM +0100, Mark Williams wrote: Either the way mentioned, or maxspeed:en as per name:en for consistency? “en” is a language code “metric” and “imperial” might be better, although I feel that specifying the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License License License

2008-10-13 Thread Simon Ward
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:44:07PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Tim Waters (chippy) wrote: Going back to the newly uploaded draft [1]. Maybe it's me, maybe it's the legal speak, but where does it explicitly say that if someone creates and releases to an unsuspecting public a derived work

Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org

2008-10-13 Thread Simon Ward
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 07:24:01PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: This is something I constantly preach on talk-de: We aim to be the geodatabase to end all geodatabases. I’d much rather it be the geodatabase to encourage more (free) geodatabases, but that could just be me. Simon, not aiming to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License License License

2008-10-14 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:22:19PM +0100, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Apologies to all, that’s my mistake. I forwarded the wrong version to Mike for inclusion on the website. I'll have that sorted asap. The version Richard just posted is the correct one. Thanks. Now to read it…

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-19 Thread Simon Ward
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:49:32PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: sergio sevillano wrote: the key:barrier has been approved and thus the highway=gate now belongs to barrier *barrier=gate * shall we run a script to do this? No, because this would break existing rendering. First make

Re: [OSM-talk] Video with all OSM contributors

2008-10-21 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 02:06:55PM +0100, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: Does anyone have any other high-quality videos I could download and show at UK Linux Expo? I created animations for the Wales and Bradford mapping parties using party render

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-21 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:54:52AM +0200, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: Let me disagree. You are implying that just because I can add stuff to map features, I can also decide to mark all highway=* as deprecated? I think we should supercede highway=* with path=* because that makes so much more sense.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-21 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:17:35AM +1100, Joseph Gentle wrote: councils, proprietary satnav systems, google earth, etc. I don't think I’d rather people didn’t make their stuff proprietary at all. PD doesn’t encourage it, but doesn’t discourage it either. Share-alike discourages it, and that’s

[OSM-legal-talk] More free data and share-alike morality bumf

2008-10-27 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 05:56:53PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: I'm all for free data, free software, people giving away stuff, encouraging creativity, not bunkering their assets and so on. What I don't like about share-alike is the small-minded attempt to codify this giving away into

Re: [OSM-talk] Xybot

2008-10-27 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 08:28:45PM +0200, Florian Lohoff wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 04:36:30PM +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote: They certainly lend themselves to it. That's not to say it's a good idea. The vast majority of these things could be done instead with a much less intrusive auto

Re: [OSM-talk] POI layer for [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2008-11-19 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:47:26AM +0100, vegard wrote: The online th and mapnik layers are the showcases for OSM for outsiders. The one thing that can impress people, is the level of detail we get. So I say it's good to have a layer with as much detail as possible. or a layer that allows you

Re: [OSM-talk] POI layer for [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2008-11-19 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 03:10:44PM +0100, Pieren wrote: This map already exists: http://www.lenz-online.de/cgi-bin/osm/osmpoinit.pl/ Thanks, I thought I had seen at least one like this around before. Simon -- A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:21:44PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Another thing one could to if public messaging does not find favour is posting a caveat immediately over the write message text area, something along the lines of if you're about to criticize someone whom you don't know, think

Re: [OSM-talk] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

2008-11-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 07:41:41AM -0800, SteveC wrote: Um it sounds like we need a system to report abuse rather than just making it public? I'm with that, and mentioned it already. Who should get sent abuse reports? Simon -- A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved

Re: [OSM-talk] Unification of OpenStreetBugs an Trac

2008-11-26 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 01:23:59AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Come on, how can you be critical of a project that single-handedly implements an issue tracker, a wiki, and even forums! It's probably just a few more lines of rails code and it also has a geo database, then we'll just drop

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal for a map-bug tracker (Openstreetbugs)

2008-11-29 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 02:10:28PM +0100, Patrick Kilian wrote: I really dislike bugzilla and that I was really glad when I found out that OSM uses trac for its bugtracking. Unless we find a REALLY compelling reason to switch I'd stay with trac. I’m

Re: [OSM-talk] Directional tagging

2008-11-29 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 02:16:07PM +0100, Martin Norbäck wrote: b) 2+1 ways as we call them in Sweden, they are normal ways but have a small fence in the middle and 2 lanes on one side and 1 lane on the other side. They look like this: http://www.vv.se/filer/Vägprojekt/3-Falt.jpg Having the

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal for a map-bug tracker (Openstreetbugs)

2008-11-29 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 09:49:41AM +0100, Xav wrote: - I want the simplier interface with only lat/lon/date, two bug states, and a text. I do not want a crapy interface with 30 text areas and 60 combo-boxes I don’t suggest there should be a crappy interface with lots of inputs, but it

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

2008-12-14 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:17:09PM +, Dave Stubbs wrote: It's what happens when you hit reply to all. Get used to it -- it's gonna happen to you a lot. It’s a pity more MUAs don’t have reply to list or take note of the List-Post header. ☹ Simon -- A complex system that works is invariably

Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-17 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:37:31AM +, Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists) wrote: Anonymous read-only access exists, so have fun :) Poke Till or myself via the osm2go-users mailing list if you have some contributions and you'd like write access. There's a Debian port taking shape in

Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 03:07:30AM +, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: There's a Debian port taking shape in branches/ports/debian which is of relevance to this thread. /me suddenly gains an interest I'd already got an svn checkout but hadn't got as far as doing anything with it.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in top 100 websites

2008-12-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:24:29AM +, Steve Chilton wrote: OSM appears in the 100 top sites for the year ahead list in UK's Guardian newspaper today: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/dec/18/internet-websites I like the comment for Where’s the Path: “Let down by OS's absurd

Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables

2008-12-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 03:19:02PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: Rather than try to centralize everything we know about the world into OSM, we would be better off figuring out how multiple databases can be tightly connected. There’s the added bonus that when you make a project independent from

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in top 100 websites

2008-12-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 04:17:24AM -0800, Donald Allwright wrote: I like the comment for Where’s the Path: “Let down by OS's absurd OpenSpace restrictions.” and if you try clicking on that site, you'll discover it's let down by what appears to be a restriction on the number of page

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-19 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 04:29:29PM +, Andy Allan wrote: be running, which is in the future and the timetable changed this week[1]. […] [1] hypothetically, but actually did quite recently for the UK rail network, which is a useful illustration. If you’re lucky they’ll give you advanced

Re: [OSM-talk] I've added some amenity values to Map Features based on tag usage

2008-12-20 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:42:01PM +0200, Nic Roets wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote: Why do people use _ instead of , seems very cumbersome really. Because * it's been an OSM convention (standard) since 2006. No one voted and the wiki wasn't

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:07:06AM +, Tim Waters (chippy) wrote: Well even so, it would probably be against the terms of use etc from Google, and they can ask for it to be taken down, so whilst it may be useful, it cannot be used... It’s up to Google to do that, we can’t speak for them.

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 12:09:40PM +, Thomas Wood wrote: I brought this up in IRC a few weeks back, and I know its been brought up before that. It's also appeared on the mls before, Richard's response pretty much sums it up..

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 02:34:13PM +0100, Pieren wrote: On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote: A possible consideration for a future API is to move the check there: JOSM uploads, and indicates what data sources were used in the editing session. Server checks

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 03:14:14PM +0100, Gustav Foseid wrote: In addition, I have had a hard time finding anything in Google Earth terms that limits tracing, as opposed to Google Maps where this is stated very clearly. Just searching for “google earth terms of service” gives (among other

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Earth terms (was google wms)

2008-12-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 03:58:26PM +0100, Gustav Foseid wrote: Are those really terms for Google Earth and not for Google Maps? I get a Norwegian translation on that URL, that does not mention Google Earth at all. The English version is clearly titled as I have already indicated “Google

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map domain... Have we lost it?

2008-12-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 03:38:16PM +, Peter Miller wrote: Have we lost the State of the Map Domain recently? Google still quotes OSM content for the URL, but the URL itself now points to a link farm! http://www.stateofthemap.org/ I guess we did, then someone realised. Extracts from

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 01:22:22AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: A possible consideration for a future API is to move the check there: JOSM uploads, and indicates what data sources were used in the editing session. Server checks, sees GoogleWMS, replies “I’m sorry Dave, I’m afraid I can’t

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM, wmsplugin issue

2008-12-25 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 02:30:29PM -0800, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: Hello I have installed the latest JOSM (v 1178) and I cannot install the wmsplugin (v 12588). When I restart JOSM I get the message : 'plugin requires JOSM update: wmsplugin'.   This happens both on Windows Vista

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Legend HCx and Linux

2008-12-28 Thread Simon Ward
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 12:18:31PM +, Gervase Markham wrote: I asked for a Garmin Legend HCx for Christmas, on the recommendation of various people in this group, and am now trying to connect it to my Linux computer to do some real-time mapping. Has anyone got this device working with

Re: [OSM-talk] Your whishlist for Debian Packages?

2008-12-28 Thread Simon Ward
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 02:09:26AM +0100, Steven Le Roux wrote: I would like this one : http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/party/ But last time I tried, the python code of the video.py was obsolete regarding the sid's dependancies. Hmm… it’s not “obsolete” with respect to

Re: [OSM-talk] Your whishlist for Debian Packages?

2008-12-29 Thread Simon Ward
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 01:56:46PM +0100, Steven Le Roux wrote: yes the problem was around pymedia, which seemed unmaintained... great you managed using it ! could you share this build ? i didn't manage it last time I tried... Get the Pymedia 1.3.7.3 source, and apply the attached patch. It

Re: [OSM-talk] Your whishlist for Debian Packages?

2008-12-29 Thread Simon Ward
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 01:33:59PM +, Simon Ward wrote: Get the Pymedia 1.3.7.3 source, and apply the attached patch. It defines HAVE_LRINTF in the setup which stops it from redeclaring lrintf() which Debian with GCC 4 already has. Run ‘python setup.py install’. I forgot to mention

Re: [OSM-talk] Postcode tag

2009-01-07 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 06:49:52PM -, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: When I selected postal_code I was mindful that postcode is not used to denote the code universally. In the US its ZIP (Zone Improvement Plan) code for instance. postal_code appeared to me to be sufficiently

Re: [OSM-talk] Anonymous editing

2009-01-20 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 08:37:32PM +, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Yay for 0.6 going live in March. \o/ Can we take this opportunity to finally disable anonymous editing? Yes, please. Yeah, it’s just an “I agree” post, sorry. Simon -- A complex system that works is invariably found to have

[OSM-legal-talk] Open Data Licence (Re: 23rd Dec board meeting)

2009-01-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 11:30:19AM +, Peter Miller wrote: OSM Open Data License There are many comments already on legal-talk that I won't repeat here. I do however note from the minutes that all communications with Jordan had broken down. Also that No hosting option for the licence is

Re: [OSM-talk] Handling of towns with different or alternative names

2009-01-27 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 02:50:37PM -0500, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jan 27, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Manfred Podzkiewitz wrote: Hello, i have a question about the handling of unoffical, or ethnic, or historic names of towns and villages. The TIGER import in the USA uses name_1 for alternate

Re: [OSM-talk] Handling of towns with different or alternative names

2009-01-27 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 04:36:08PM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote: This doesn’t account for multiple names in the same language, though. I can also imagine a place having several old names over time, while old_name=* really only allows for one. IMHO there really needs to be a well defined

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Future license upgrades, the heart of the matter

2009-01-27 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 08:59:26PM +, 80n wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: * WHAT changes can be made to the license once it is accepted; If section 11 of the GDFL 3.1 is anything to go by [1], then pretty much anything is possible.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Future license upgrades, the heart of the matter

2009-01-27 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 01:41:06AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: * WHAT changes can be made to the license once it is accepted; I think this should be limited to avoid overstepping. We define the basic things we want the licence to do—collective attribution, share alike for derived data sets,

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 05:45:11PM +, Thomas Wood wrote: 2009/1/31 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: I would suggest the following changes in the wiki: - replace vote by opinion poll - replace I approve/I oppose by I like it/I don't like it - replace approved feature status by valuable -

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 07:01:17PM +0100, Lars Aronsson wrote: Wouldn't it be better to ask for a number of arguments for or against a proposal? Then people would have to contribute more arguments, instead of more votes. This is ultimately more desirable. Wikipedia has a policy that

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch readme gone?

2009-02-03 Thread Simon Ward
On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 11:49:49PM -0800, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I removed the link on 14th January because, as the above comment suggested, the page wasn't finished enough to be the first documentation that a newcomer to OSM might see. Uhm, it’s a wiki, there’s a whole lot in that wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:smoothness

2009-02-03 Thread Simon Ward
On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 04:07:37AM +0100, Ulf Lamping wrote: It's a *lot* easier to navigate through 20 or more subpages than to read/search in exactly one page?!? When it takes about a minute for the page to load, yes, I may as well just do a search on the wiki since I’d get a response in a

Re: [OSM-talk] Hardware Upgrade Fund

2009-02-08 Thread Simon Ward
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 03:54:56PM +0100, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Domingo, 8 de Febrero de 2009, Maarten Deen escribió: With one step 50% over the target. Apparently the API server has gotten scared that it is going to be replaced. I can't get any data from it at all. Has it gone in

Re: [OSM-talk] News blog link - to blogs.openstreetmap.org?

2009-02-17 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:48:17AM -, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Having thought about this a bit overnight I personally feel that the project should have an OSM specific blog that gets used for OSM community announcements, worthy news items and OSMF announcements. This could

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC :left/:right (asymmetrical roadside features)

2009-02-17 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 07:51:12PM +, Dave Stubbs wrote: Oneway is strange in that as well as yes/no you can have oneway=-1 for one way in the opposite direction of the way, and I still can't work out why that is necessary. Because none of the editors had a reverse way tool :-). I

Re: [OSM-talk] Locating objects in Google Maps/Earth

2009-02-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 04:00:22PM +, LeedsTracker wrote: The concept of fair use is something which differs from one jurisdiction to another. [snip] I know, though the principle is in UK law: http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p09_fair_use That page is a little misleading.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Thread Simon Ward
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 05:59:40AM +, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: I do regularly import some osm data into PostGIS and reproject it inside the database. Would it be enough to tell where to download the original OSM data and what script to run, or should I really make a dump from my imported and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Thread Simon Ward
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 11:51:24AM +, Dair Grant wrote: I'm not sure what format a file containing all of the alterations would take. Does this mean a machine-readable list of the exact transformations that were performed, or simply a human-readable summary of the transformations made? I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] images are Produced Works

2009-03-03 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 09:40:08AM -0500, Richard Weait wrote: I see SVG as just another image. Raster or Vector; the image format is not a problem. […} The problem is behaviour. In this case the potential problem is Some Jerk trying to use OSM database without living up to their license

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-03-03 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 03:28:10PM +0100, Pieren wrote: It's very confusing now about who, how and what is deleted with the license change. I would appreciate if someone could answer the following questions: My take: - do you delete only data from contributors who explicitly say 'no' to the

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-03-03 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 05:21:02PM +0100, Tobias Knerr wrote: because of a change to the data, but the (unpublished) tools creating the images, thus nothing of use would be contributed back to the free world with ODbL. Then we need to make sure as many tools as possible are free software, and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] regarding ODC and OKF

2009-03-03 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 09:11:13PM +, OJ W wrote: Regardless of who they are, why should we give them complete control over the license? It seems, if they were to decide to for example make our project PD, neither the OSMF Board, nor the OSMF members, nor anyone else could do anything

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-03-03 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 12:33:56AM +0100, MP wrote: This could be perhaps optimized: if user A creates some highway=road, user B changes it to residential and user C changes it to secondary. A and C agrees to new license, B won't. But contribution of B was completely removed by C's edit, so it

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan - what data would need deleting

2009-03-04 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 11:18:48AM +, Ed Avis wrote: You have discussed some elaborate plans about what data from a non-relicensing contributor would have to be deleted and what would have to be kept. Are you responding to my mail, or one earlier in the thread? I stated that everything

Re: [OSM-talk] licence plan - Question about supplying own data

2009-03-05 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 09:42:54AM -, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: One thing we should not loose sight of in this process is what OSM is collecting, and thus the limit of what we might wish to see contributed back. The locations of butterflies and endangered species are examples

Re: [OSM-talk] licence plan - Question about supplying own data

2009-03-05 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 05:32:20PM -0800, SteveC wrote: I think it would be a beautiful day if it was seen as bad form to use 'IANAL' and everything like that was instead rephrased as 'lets ask a lawyer and I wont give you my opinion' Ugh, so we’re not to question the lawyers now and just

Re: [OSM-talk] Post tastsic questions of my own

2009-03-05 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 09:55:39AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: (Has someone told you that you're overly concerned about your Fake self? He seems to make an appearance in every second post you write.) Fake Steve C = Steve C, you know it. He just tries to make it out that it’s all Richard F. ;)

Re: [OSM-talk] What if ODBl 1.0 is superseeded by ODBl 2.0

2009-03-05 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 03:33:45AM -0800, Donald Allwright wrote: I would be very keen to take a leaf out of the GPL world here, and license the data under ODBL 1.0 or later. The GPL gives the licensor the choice (section 14. Revised Versions of this License.[1]): “If the Program

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Telephone Debate

2009-03-12 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:21:01AM +, Rob Myers wrote: coast of the US for example. But I've been involved in both of two meetings where decisions arrived at in the morning were reversed in the evening, and that didn't make the first group very happy at all. I think that, due to the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Telephone Debate

2009-03-12 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:21:49AM +, Nick Black wrote: The purpose of the call on Saturday is to offer an additional channel of communication around the license - its intended to supplement the mailing lists and wiki Thanks, that’s what I expected to hear. What I'd hope would come out

Re: [OSM-talk] immutable=yes Fwd: DEC Lands

2009-03-13 Thread Simon Ward
On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 02:25:24PM -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: Earlier, I proposed that certain datasets should be immutable; whether by policy or mechanism as needed. I propose importing the NYS DEC Lands as an immutable set of data. If you read this exchange with Robert Morrell, you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL comments from Creative Commons

2009-03-21 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 07:02:09PM +0100, Ulf Möller wrote: Thinh Nguyen of Creative Commons has posted detailed comments on the ODbL on the co-ment website. I think I’ve seen many of those arguments from the Science Commons project before, and they still gloss over the question of “what if

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL comments from Creative Commons

2009-03-21 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:47:43PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Simon Ward wrote: They fail to note that if there are no rights in some jurisdiction, then the database is free anyway, and so are derivatives. As you know I'm pro-PD anyway but one thing that specifically strikes a chord

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] just feels like time for a poem

2009-03-26 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 03:31:51PM +, John McKerrell wrote: edible map? nom nom nom Cake! \o/ Simon -- A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works.—John Gall signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=cyclefootway

2009-03-27 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 04:21:47PM +0100, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: Yeah, I find highway=path a good permanent shortcut for highway=cycleway+foot=yes+bicycle=yes without having to guess if highway=footway isn't more clever because BOTH are to go on that... path Maybe we should just call

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering export has only coastline

2009-04-08 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 08:54:30PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: Maybe we should remove the Export tab when it is out of commision? Yes, because the users of all the other export modes that aren't dependent on the mapnik database would love that. There’s nothing like a bit of dry sarcasm to

[OSM-talk] *=wood

2009-04-11 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 07:59:48AM +0200, Florian Lohoff wrote: Hold on there. Defined? defined by whom. If you mean its in map features then that's cool because I put them there :-D On the other hand Map Features isn't a rule book or a prescribed standard. Its guidance on how you might

Re: [OSM-talk] Wishes for GPS track upload

2009-04-13 Thread Simon Ward
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 05:21:35PM +, Ed Avis wrote: Additionally, when you upload a track you should be able to specify how it was made, with checkboxes for 'foot', 'bike', 'car', 'boat', 'plane'. (If it has a mixture, tick several boxes.) You can use tags for that: I’ve tagged most of

Re: [OSM-talk] the ref:color schema

2009-04-19 Thread Simon Ward
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 05:20:09PM +0200, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: Do you really think we can work that network-color table out, and make software that fits into osm2pgsql to derive the shields**? ** I don't like the word shield. We use frakking rectangles. Like these ones?

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia POI import?

2009-05-06 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 09:41:27PM +0200, andrzej zaborowski wrote: I very much agree about OpenAerialMap -- if we can't trust the OpenAerialMap contributors about the licensing why should any person in OSM trust any other OSM contributor rather than start redrawing everything they can from

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright Assignment

2010-01-06 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 06:49:37AM -0500, Rob Myers wrote: Unless that is the only way of ensuring that everyone continues to have the advantage of effectively all rights to the data and that organisation is OSM. ;-) Well, yes, so why isn’t OSM just going PD (or near equivalent)? :) (Yes, I

Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas

2010-04-02 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 03:37:39AM +1000, John Smith wrote: From what I understand, in the UK postcodes refer to a street, at least in populated areas... More usually one side of a street. They can refer to a small residential area, one or both sides of a street, or a single large building.

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 09:19:53PM +1000, John Smith wrote: On 18 July 2010 21:07, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: but they haven't commented about the contributor terms, I sent them an email about this but I'm waiting to hear back. If they balk at either that would mean

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 09:54:36PM +1000, John Smith wrote: It just got pointed out to me, but anyone that has ever derived data from Nearmap can't agree to the new Contributor Terms, not to mention new users that already agreed to the new CTs shouldn't be deriving data from Nearmap. This

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 02:56:57PM -0400, Richard Weait wrote: Limiting a hypothetical (what should it be called? referendum?) to just active contributors might exclude some who have just agreed to the license upgrade. Is this the right thing to do? Should the hypothetical referendum(?) be

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-19 Thread Simon Ward
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 08:05:58PM +0200, SteveC wrote: wonder if you realise the fine line you are walking here by employing such hard line tactics, you are literally risking an out right rejection of ODBL because of this. How much time and effort will have been in vein exactly? I think

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-19 Thread Simon Ward
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 09:55:42PM +0300, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: Ok, there it goes: I suggest to add SA clause and Attribution clause as requirement for any new open and free license in CT point 3. It would help to ease problems with big data contributors which could agree with ODBL (as it

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